GetSetJetSet
Jun 16, 12, 7:06 am
Just wondering.
MilesBuzz! - Any FF programs allow stopovers on 1-way awards?
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gotofly
Jun 16, 12, 7:41 am
American does
guv1976
Jun 16, 12, 8:06 am
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American does
Yes, but only for awards between North America and another zone.
BA's program is now distance-based, not zone-based, and you pay for each flight flown. But you might still pay less for a stopover itinerary under BA's scheme compared to a zone-based program.
American does
Yes, but only for awards between North America and another zone.
BA's program is now distance-based, not zone-based, and you pay for each flight flown. But you might still pay less for a stopover itinerary under BA's scheme compared to a zone-based program.
Ocn Vw 1K
Jun 16, 12, 10:19 am
Please follow as the thread moves to the MilesBuzz forum. Ocn Vw 1K, Moderator, TravelBuzz.
daveland
Jun 16, 12, 3:38 pm
On AA you can stopover at your North American Gateway. That can be any city in which your direct onwards flight leaves from. So you could do LAX-JFK-Stopover-LHR, for example, only paying for LAX-LHR.
civico
Jun 16, 12, 6:25 pm
On AA you can stopover at your North American Gateway. That can be any city in which your direct onwards flight leaves from. So you could do LAX-JFK-Stopover-LHR, for example, only paying for LAX-LHR.
This is a great way to add an extra leg on to your international trip and get a free one-way to somewhere in NA that you want to go.
With the above example between LAX and LHR, you could choose to stopover in JFK in between, or you could add a leg on before and after your trip.
Case in point:
ANC (Anchorage)- LAX (stopover)- LHR
LHR-LAX (stopover)- HNL (Honolulu)
You now have a one way ticket from Anchorage to Los Angeles, meaning you'd only have to buy the ticket up there, and a one way out to Honolulu, meaning you'd only have to buy the ticket home.
AA allows you 1 whole year in your stopover, so you'd have a ton of time to make use of the trip out to Hawaii, and they allow you to change the dates after you booked, so you don't even have to have another trip planned yet...you can "stash" the free leg out to Hawaii for later, assuming you use it within that year!
All told, in economy, this would cost 95k. If you booked everything as separate tickets, it would run you 130k in economy.
This is a great way to add an extra leg on to your international trip and get a free one-way to somewhere in NA that you want to go.
With the above example between LAX and LHR, you could choose to stopover in JFK in between, or you could add a leg on before and after your trip.
Case in point:
ANC (Anchorage)- LAX (stopover)- LHR
LHR-LAX (stopover)- HNL (Honolulu)
You now have a one way ticket from Anchorage to Los Angeles, meaning you'd only have to buy the ticket up there, and a one way out to Honolulu, meaning you'd only have to buy the ticket home.
AA allows you 1 whole year in your stopover, so you'd have a ton of time to make use of the trip out to Hawaii, and they allow you to change the dates after you booked, so you don't even have to have another trip planned yet...you can "stash" the free leg out to Hawaii for later, assuming you use it within that year!
All told, in economy, this would cost 95k. If you booked everything as separate tickets, it would run you 130k in economy.
stevens397
Jun 17, 12, 5:21 am
Thanks to FT, MP and some blogs, I did this very thing yesterday. We have one-way First Class tickets on Cathay Pacific in January, First Class and booked on AA. Going to LAX in May and had already booked the outbound on UA.
Called yesterday and they made JFK the stopover (for three months!) and I ended up with two First Class tickets from NYC to LAX in May! Cancelled the UA flight and deposited 50,000 miles back in my account.
This is amazing - I feel like I really just got away with something!
Called yesterday and they made JFK the stopover (for three months!) and I ended up with two First Class tickets from NYC to LAX in May! Cancelled the UA flight and deposited 50,000 miles back in my account.
This is amazing - I feel like I really just got away with something!
civico
Jun 17, 12, 6:07 am
Thanks to FT, MP and some blogs, I did this very thing yesterday. We have one-way First Class tickets on Cathay Pacific in January, First Class and booked on AA. Going to LAX in May and had already booked the outbound on UA.
Called yesterday and they made JFK the stopover (for three months!) and I ended up with two First Class tickets from NYC to LAX in May! Cancelled the UA flight and deposited 50,000 miles back in my account.
This is amazing - I feel like I really just got away with something!
Pretty amazing, right? Using those stopover rules on AA is one of the best thing of having AA miles!
FYI, you can actually have a whole year at your stopover city!
Great job, and congrats!
Called yesterday and they made JFK the stopover (for three months!) and I ended up with two First Class tickets from NYC to LAX in May! Cancelled the UA flight and deposited 50,000 miles back in my account.
This is amazing - I feel like I really just got away with something!
Pretty amazing, right? Using those stopover rules on AA is one of the best thing of having AA miles!
FYI, you can actually have a whole year at your stopover city!
Great job, and congrats!
fonnae
Jun 17, 12, 6:40 am
...they allow you to change the dates after you booked, so you don't even have to have another trip planned yet...
What is the fee for changing dates, if any?
What is the fee for changing dates, if any?
amolkold
Jun 17, 12, 6:52 am
What is the fee for changing dates, if any?
$0, so long as it keeps the same origin/destination.
$0, so long as it keeps the same origin/destination.
civico
Jun 17, 12, 7:30 am
$0, so long as it keeps the same origin/destination.
You'll pay $75 if it changes your departure date to within 21 days of when you'll be leaving. If you change your departure date and it is over 21 days away, you won't pay anything.
You'll pay $75 if it changes your departure date to within 21 days of when you'll be leaving. If you change your departure date and it is over 21 days away, you won't pay anything.
guv1976
Jun 17, 12, 7:41 am
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"FYI, you can actually have a whole year at your stopover city!"
No, you can't. All travel on an award must be completed within one year of award-ticket issuance, not one year from arrival at the stopover city.
"FYI, you can actually have a whole year at your stopover city!"
No, you can't. All travel on an award must be completed within one year of award-ticket issuance, not one year from arrival at the stopover city.
guv1976
Jun 17, 12, 7:51 am
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$0, so long as it keeps the same origin/destination.
You'll pay $75 if it changes your departure date to within 21 days of when you'll be leaving. If you change your departure date and it is over 21 days away, you won't pay anything.
This is a little misleading. You pay $75 only if you change the travel date to within 21 days of the date of ticket issuance. Therefore, you'll never pay an additional $75 for changing the date of post-stopover travel. (If you ticketed your award within 21 days of your first flight's departure date, then you will have paid the $75 fee at that time; if you did not owe the $75 at the time of ticket issuance, you would only have to pay the $75 if the date of your first flight were changed to one within 21 days of the ticket-issuance date.)
$0, so long as it keeps the same origin/destination.
You'll pay $75 if it changes your departure date to within 21 days of when you'll be leaving. If you change your departure date and it is over 21 days away, you won't pay anything.
This is a little misleading. You pay $75 only if you change the travel date to within 21 days of the date of ticket issuance. Therefore, you'll never pay an additional $75 for changing the date of post-stopover travel. (If you ticketed your award within 21 days of your first flight's departure date, then you will have paid the $75 fee at that time; if you did not owe the $75 at the time of ticket issuance, you would only have to pay the $75 if the date of your first flight were changed to one within 21 days of the ticket-issuance date.)
adobe
Jun 17, 12, 8:28 am
Regarding the stop-over, can the stop-over be in a foreign country? For example, can I fly DFW to NRT to PVG, and make a stop-over in Tokyo for one month?
Also, when you check in for the flight at DFW, you are not going to get a boarding pass for the flight from NRT to PVG, right? Because that flight is one month later! Then will the ticket number still be the same for these two legs, i.e., DFW-NRT and NRT to PVG?
Also, when you check in for the flight at DFW, you are not going to get a boarding pass for the flight from NRT to PVG, right? Because that flight is one month later! Then will the ticket number still be the same for these two legs, i.e., DFW-NRT and NRT to PVG?
guv1976
Jun 17, 12, 8:55 am
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Regarding the stop-over, can the stop-over be in a foreign country? For example, can I fly DFW to NRT to PVG, and make a stop-over in Tokyo for one month?
Also, when you check in for the flight at DFW, you are not going to get a boarding pass for the flight from NRT to PVG, right? Because that flight is one month later! Then will the ticket number still be the same for these two legs, i.e., DFW-NRT and NRT to PVG?
AA permits a free stopover only at the North American gateway, on an award between North America and another zone. The free stopover can therefore only occur in the U.S., Canada, or Mexico. (AA recently prohibited the stopover from occurring in the Caribbean on such awards.)
Regarding the stop-over, can the stop-over be in a foreign country? For example, can I fly DFW to NRT to PVG, and make a stop-over in Tokyo for one month?
Also, when you check in for the flight at DFW, you are not going to get a boarding pass for the flight from NRT to PVG, right? Because that flight is one month later! Then will the ticket number still be the same for these two legs, i.e., DFW-NRT and NRT to PVG?
AA permits a free stopover only at the North American gateway, on an award between North America and another zone. The free stopover can therefore only occur in the U.S., Canada, or Mexico. (AA recently prohibited the stopover from occurring in the Caribbean on such awards.)
civico
Jun 17, 12, 5:11 pm
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This is a little misleading. You pay $75 only if you change the travel date to within 21 days of the date of ticket issuance. Therefore, you'll never pay an additional $75 for changing the date of post-stopover travel. (If you ticketed your award within 21 days of your first flight's departure date, then you will have paid the $75 fee at that time; if you did not owe the $75 at the time of ticket issuance, you would only have to pay the $75 if the date of your first flight were changed to one within 21 days of the ticket-issuance date.)
Guv1976,
Thanks for clearing this up and writing it in a more understandable manner.
This is a little misleading. You pay $75 only if you change the travel date to within 21 days of the date of ticket issuance. Therefore, you'll never pay an additional $75 for changing the date of post-stopover travel. (If you ticketed your award within 21 days of your first flight's departure date, then you will have paid the $75 fee at that time; if you did not owe the $75 at the time of ticket issuance, you would only have to pay the $75 if the date of your first flight were changed to one within 21 days of the ticket-issuance date.)
Guv1976,
Thanks for clearing this up and writing it in a more understandable manner.
onefasteuro
Jun 17, 12, 7:17 pm
Redeemed HNL-MIA(stopover, we live in coral springs)-TLS on one award. Me likey. Great use of miles.
tassojunior
Jun 17, 12, 7:44 pm
If you don't use the first leg of a ticket isn't the 2nd leg cancelled??
Exiled in Express
Jun 17, 12, 8:16 pm
Alaska does, on their own metal only. It is not published anywhere and has to be done by phone with applicable fees. I successfully booked MSP-SEA-PDX (stop)-SEA-SAN as a 12.5k saver award, sadly had to scrub the trip.
amolkold
Jun 17, 12, 10:41 pm
If you don't use the first leg of a ticket isn't the 2nd leg cancelled??
Yes, this is true of any award or revenue ticket.
Yes, this is true of any award or revenue ticket.
tassojunior
Jun 17, 12, 11:16 pm
Yes, this is true of any award or revenue ticket.
Then if the 2nd leg would be cancelled how can I, for example get a HNL-LAX-NYC and save the HNL-LAX?
Then if the 2nd leg would be cancelled how can I, for example get a HNL-LAX-NYC and save the HNL-LAX?
guv1976
Jun 17, 12, 11:39 pm
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Yes, this is true of any award or revenue ticket.
Then if the 2nd leg would be cancelled how can I, for example get a HNL-LAX-NYC and save the HNL-LAX?
You have to fly each leg of an award ticket in sequence. And you would not be entitled to a stopover at LAX in any event, since a HNL-NYC award is not an award between North America and another zone: Hawaii falls within AA's "North America" zone.
Yes, this is true of any award or revenue ticket.
Then if the 2nd leg would be cancelled how can I, for example get a HNL-LAX-NYC and save the HNL-LAX?
You have to fly each leg of an award ticket in sequence. And you would not be entitled to a stopover at LAX in any event, since a HNL-NYC award is not an award between North America and another zone: Hawaii falls within AA's "North America" zone.
civico
Jun 18, 12, 2:44 am
Then if the 2nd leg would be cancelled how can I, for example get a HNL-LAX-NYC and save the HNL-LAX?
You can only "save" the LAX-HNL if you put it at the end of your trip. Then you'd have a year to go from your stopover city (LAX) to final destination (HNL).
As someone else posted, you can only do this on international awards with AA. You can't have a stopover on domestic awards.
This post might help clear up how to add legs on in the beginning, end, or middle of your international itinerary on AA:
Stopover and Open Jaws on American Airlines (http://www.extrapackofpeanuts.com/maximize-your-miles-stopovers-and-open-jaws-on-american-airlines/)
You can only "save" the LAX-HNL if you put it at the end of your trip. Then you'd have a year to go from your stopover city (LAX) to final destination (HNL).
As someone else posted, you can only do this on international awards with AA. You can't have a stopover on domestic awards.
This post might help clear up how to add legs on in the beginning, end, or middle of your international itinerary on AA:
Stopover and Open Jaws on American Airlines (http://www.extrapackofpeanuts.com/maximize-your-miles-stopovers-and-open-jaws-on-american-airlines/)
Happy
Jun 18, 12, 2:46 pm
Then if the 2nd leg would be cancelled how can I, for example get a HNL-LAX-NYC and save the HNL-LAX?
HNL is in North America, no?
The ONLY stopover allowed is when you have an International award that involves North America (as defined in Geographic sense, except now the gateways exclude Caribbeans), then you can have a stopover at the North America Gateway both coming and going, so 1 is allowed in each direction.
In your HNL-LAX-NYC example, it is not an international award at all. So no stopover allowed.
However if you have a ticket that is HNL-LAX-MIA-LIM, then MIA can be the stopover on way to LIM. This is a North America to South America 1 award.
Or you have a ticket that is BCN-JFK-LAX-HNL, then the JFK can be the stopover on way to HNL. This is a Europe to North America award.
Or you have a ticket that is SYD-SIN-HKG, you have NO stopover because this international award does not involves North America. This is SouthPacific to Asia 2 award.
HNL is in North America, no?
The ONLY stopover allowed is when you have an International award that involves North America (as defined in Geographic sense, except now the gateways exclude Caribbeans), then you can have a stopover at the North America Gateway both coming and going, so 1 is allowed in each direction.
In your HNL-LAX-NYC example, it is not an international award at all. So no stopover allowed.
However if you have a ticket that is HNL-LAX-MIA-LIM, then MIA can be the stopover on way to LIM. This is a North America to South America 1 award.
Or you have a ticket that is BCN-JFK-LAX-HNL, then the JFK can be the stopover on way to HNL. This is a Europe to North America award.
Or you have a ticket that is SYD-SIN-HKG, you have NO stopover because this international award does not involves North America. This is SouthPacific to Asia 2 award.
sdsearch
Jun 19, 12, 11:58 am
Redeemed HNL-MIA(stopover, we live in coral springs)-TLS on one award. Me likey. Great use of miles.
I hope you've got an MIA-HNL booked before that to match up with it.
You have to fly the HNL-MIA first. It's then the MIA-TLS that you can reschedule for later if you wish.
If don't fly MIA-HNL somehow to use the HNL-MIA, your MIA-TLS will be cancelled and you'll lose everything. Very bad use of miles in that case. I bet you would no likey that!
Just to clarify another points:
This trick may save you a one-way award ticket. It doesn't generally save you a round trip award ticket. You still have to "buy" a one-way ticket the other way. (But since AA prices round-trip award tickets at the same price as two one-way tickets, there's no "pricing" downside to making AA roundtrip award reservations as two one-ways instead of one roundtrip, and it may add signficant flexibility.)
I hope you've got an MIA-HNL booked before that to match up with it.
You have to fly the HNL-MIA first. It's then the MIA-TLS that you can reschedule for later if you wish.
If don't fly MIA-HNL somehow to use the HNL-MIA, your MIA-TLS will be cancelled and you'll lose everything. Very bad use of miles in that case. I bet you would no likey that!
Just to clarify another points:
This trick may save you a one-way award ticket. It doesn't generally save you a round trip award ticket. You still have to "buy" a one-way ticket the other way. (But since AA prices round-trip award tickets at the same price as two one-way tickets, there's no "pricing" downside to making AA roundtrip award reservations as two one-ways instead of one roundtrip, and it may add signficant flexibility.)
Happy
Jun 19, 12, 4:32 pm
I hope you've got an MIA-HNL booked before that to match up with it.
You have to fly the HNL-MIA first. It's then the MIA-TLS that you can reschedule for later if you wish.
If don't fly MIA-HNL somehow to use the HNL-MIA, your MIA-TLS will be cancelled and you'll lose everything. Very bad use of miles in that case. I bet you would no likey that!
Just to clarify another points:
This trick may save you a one-way award ticket. It doesn't generally save you a round trip award ticket. You still have to "buy" a one-way ticket the other way. (But since AA prices round-trip award tickets at the same price as two one-way tickets, there's no "pricing" downside to making AA roundtrip award reservations as two one-ways instead of one roundtrip, and it may add signficant flexibility.)
To clarify: AA has been on ONE-WAY system since 2009. There is No Round Trip reward what-so-ever - All awards are One-Way. You can certainly build a R/T award in "traditional sense" with 2 One-Ways but they are actually 2 INDEPENDENT One-Way awards. A single PNR can hold 4 One-Way awards however you structure them. So much so you can mix booking classes and award types on the same ticket - such as you have a Saaver business class going out, and an AAnytime economy coming in if they are all on AA metals (so you can have AAnytime award), or Saaver business going out, and Saaver first class coming in with a partner award. This was not possible in the old days when it was a R/T system.
The only reasons why people would still build a R/T award in the traditional sense are ,
1) because both awards (the 2 One-Way awards) are on the same ticket when in the case they need to cancel the ticket and redeposit the miles, they only incur the redeposit fee ONCE, versus if they use 2 PNRs, the fee would be twice.
2) in the case of partner award, on one single ticket you pay the phone booking fee once. On two tickets you pay the phone booking fee twice.
You have to fly the HNL-MIA first. It's then the MIA-TLS that you can reschedule for later if you wish.
If don't fly MIA-HNL somehow to use the HNL-MIA, your MIA-TLS will be cancelled and you'll lose everything. Very bad use of miles in that case. I bet you would no likey that!
Just to clarify another points:
This trick may save you a one-way award ticket. It doesn't generally save you a round trip award ticket. You still have to "buy" a one-way ticket the other way. (But since AA prices round-trip award tickets at the same price as two one-way tickets, there's no "pricing" downside to making AA roundtrip award reservations as two one-ways instead of one roundtrip, and it may add signficant flexibility.)
To clarify: AA has been on ONE-WAY system since 2009. There is No Round Trip reward what-so-ever - All awards are One-Way. You can certainly build a R/T award in "traditional sense" with 2 One-Ways but they are actually 2 INDEPENDENT One-Way awards. A single PNR can hold 4 One-Way awards however you structure them. So much so you can mix booking classes and award types on the same ticket - such as you have a Saaver business class going out, and an AAnytime economy coming in if they are all on AA metals (so you can have AAnytime award), or Saaver business going out, and Saaver first class coming in with a partner award. This was not possible in the old days when it was a R/T system.
The only reasons why people would still build a R/T award in the traditional sense are ,
1) because both awards (the 2 One-Way awards) are on the same ticket when in the case they need to cancel the ticket and redeposit the miles, they only incur the redeposit fee ONCE, versus if they use 2 PNRs, the fee would be twice.
2) in the case of partner award, on one single ticket you pay the phone booking fee once. On two tickets you pay the phone booking fee twice.
jza
Jun 20, 12, 1:16 pm
I hope you've got an MIA-HNL booked before that to match up with it.
You have to fly the HNL-MIA first. It's then the MIA-TLS that you can reschedule for later if you wish.
If don't fly MIA-HNL somehow to use the HNL-MIA, your MIA-TLS will be cancelled and you'll lose everything. Very bad use of miles in that case. I bet you would no likey that!
Just to clarify another points:
This trick may save you a one-way award ticket. It doesn't generally save you a round trip award ticket. You still have to "buy" a one-way ticket the other way. (But since AA prices round-trip award tickets at the same price as two one-way tickets, there's no "pricing" downside to making AA roundtrip award reservations as two one-ways instead of one roundtrip, and it may add signficant flexibility.)
If there are "no round trip awards what-so-ever," as Happy pointed out, why is it that the HNL->MIA will be cancelled if there is no MIA->HNL?
You have to fly the HNL-MIA first. It's then the MIA-TLS that you can reschedule for later if you wish.
If don't fly MIA-HNL somehow to use the HNL-MIA, your MIA-TLS will be cancelled and you'll lose everything. Very bad use of miles in that case. I bet you would no likey that!
Just to clarify another points:
This trick may save you a one-way award ticket. It doesn't generally save you a round trip award ticket. You still have to "buy" a one-way ticket the other way. (But since AA prices round-trip award tickets at the same price as two one-way tickets, there's no "pricing" downside to making AA roundtrip award reservations as two one-ways instead of one roundtrip, and it may add signficant flexibility.)
If there are "no round trip awards what-so-ever," as Happy pointed out, why is it that the HNL->MIA will be cancelled if there is no MIA->HNL?
cloudeleven
Jun 20, 12, 2:28 pm
If there are "no round trip awards what-so-ever," as Happy pointed out, why is it that the HNL->MIA will be cancelled if there is no MIA->HNL?
Because any one-way AA itinerary (and all AA awards are one-way now) must be flown in the exact order of the airports/dates booked. Thus, the HNL-MIA leg must be flown before the MIA-TLS leg. Somehow they have to get themselves to HNL (by plane, boat, or kayak :D) so they can fly the HNL-MIA leg before the MIA-TLS leg, or the whole HNL-MIA-TLS ticket will be canceled.
Because any one-way AA itinerary (and all AA awards are one-way now) must be flown in the exact order of the airports/dates booked. Thus, the HNL-MIA leg must be flown before the MIA-TLS leg. Somehow they have to get themselves to HNL (by plane, boat, or kayak :D) so they can fly the HNL-MIA leg before the MIA-TLS leg, or the whole HNL-MIA-TLS ticket will be canceled.
cloudeleven
Jun 20, 12, 2:47 pm
This is a great way to add an extra leg on to your international trip and get a free one-way to somewhere in NA that you want to go.
With the above example between LAX and LHR, you could choose to stopover in JFK in between, or you could add a leg on before and after your trip.
Case in point:
ANC (Anchorage)- LAX (stopover)- LHR
LHR-LAX (stopover)- HNL (Honolulu)
You now have a one way ticket from Anchorage to Los Angeles, meaning you'd only have to buy the ticket up there, and a one way out to Honolulu, meaning you'd only have to buy the ticket home.
AA allows you 1 whole year in your stopover, so you'd have a ton of time to make use of the trip out to Hawaii, and they allow you to change the dates after you booked, so you don't even have to have another trip planned yet...you can "stash" the free leg out to Hawaii for later, assuming you use it within that year!
All told, in economy, this would cost 95k. If you booked everything as separate tickets, it would run you 130k in economy.
Another nice trick to be aware of with AA awards and N.A. stopovers is having your "final destination" in South America can cost fewer miles than having your final destination in North America. For example, HNL-DFW MileSaaver coach will cost 17.5K miles in off-peak, but HNL-DFW (stop)-LIM will cost 15K miles in coach MileSaaver off-peak. You can either end your trip in DFW and not use the DFW-LIM leg, or use the DFW-LIM leg later, and you saved 2500 miles over a simple HNL-DFW ticket.
With the above example between LAX and LHR, you could choose to stopover in JFK in between, or you could add a leg on before and after your trip.
Case in point:
ANC (Anchorage)- LAX (stopover)- LHR
LHR-LAX (stopover)- HNL (Honolulu)
You now have a one way ticket from Anchorage to Los Angeles, meaning you'd only have to buy the ticket up there, and a one way out to Honolulu, meaning you'd only have to buy the ticket home.
AA allows you 1 whole year in your stopover, so you'd have a ton of time to make use of the trip out to Hawaii, and they allow you to change the dates after you booked, so you don't even have to have another trip planned yet...you can "stash" the free leg out to Hawaii for later, assuming you use it within that year!
All told, in economy, this would cost 95k. If you booked everything as separate tickets, it would run you 130k in economy.
Another nice trick to be aware of with AA awards and N.A. stopovers is having your "final destination" in South America can cost fewer miles than having your final destination in North America. For example, HNL-DFW MileSaaver coach will cost 17.5K miles in off-peak, but HNL-DFW (stop)-LIM will cost 15K miles in coach MileSaaver off-peak. You can either end your trip in DFW and not use the DFW-LIM leg, or use the DFW-LIM leg later, and you saved 2500 miles over a simple HNL-DFW ticket.
guv1976
Jun 20, 12, 2:51 pm
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I hope you've got an MIA-HNL booked before that to match up with it.
You have to fly the HNL-MIA first. It's then the MIA-TLS that you can reschedule for later if you wish.
If don't fly MIA-HNL somehow to use the HNL-MIA, your MIA-TLS will be cancelled and you'll lose everything. Very bad use of miles in that case. I bet you would no likey that!
Just to clarify another points:
This trick may save you a one-way award ticket. It doesn't generally save you a round trip award ticket. You still have to "buy" a one-way ticket the other way. (But since AA prices round-trip award tickets at the same price as two one-way tickets, there's no "pricing" downside to making AA roundtrip award reservations as two one-ways instead of one roundtrip, and it may add signficant flexibility.)
If there are "no round trip awards what-so-ever," as Happy pointed out, why is it that the HNL->MIA will be cancelled if there is no MIA->HNL?
It won't be. You can take a ship to HNL if you wish.
But if you book a HNL-MIA-TLS award, and fail to fly the HNL-MIA portion, then the MIA-TLS portion will be canceled.
I hope you've got an MIA-HNL booked before that to match up with it.
You have to fly the HNL-MIA first. It's then the MIA-TLS that you can reschedule for later if you wish.
If don't fly MIA-HNL somehow to use the HNL-MIA, your MIA-TLS will be cancelled and you'll lose everything. Very bad use of miles in that case. I bet you would no likey that!
Just to clarify another points:
This trick may save you a one-way award ticket. It doesn't generally save you a round trip award ticket. You still have to "buy" a one-way ticket the other way. (But since AA prices round-trip award tickets at the same price as two one-way tickets, there's no "pricing" downside to making AA roundtrip award reservations as two one-ways instead of one roundtrip, and it may add signficant flexibility.)
If there are "no round trip awards what-so-ever," as Happy pointed out, why is it that the HNL->MIA will be cancelled if there is no MIA->HNL?
It won't be. You can take a ship to HNL if you wish.
But if you book a HNL-MIA-TLS award, and fail to fly the HNL-MIA portion, then the MIA-TLS portion will be canceled.
MaineFlyer16
Jun 21, 12, 6:48 am
Another nice trick to be aware of with AA awards and N.A. stopovers is having your "final destination" in South America can cost fewer miles than having your final destination in North America. For example, HNL-DFW MileSaaver coach will cost 17.5K miles in off-peak, but HNL-DFW (stop)-LIM will cost 15K miles in coach MileSaaver off-peak. You can either end your trip in DFW and not use the DFW-LIM leg, or use the DFW-LIM leg later, and you saved 2500 miles over a simple HNL-DFW ticket.
It's a great trick you can also use with Hawaii on peak tickets--which are 22.5k. However, if you go to Europe (always choose LHR to avoid fees) its only 20K off peak.
For example, HNL-LAX-BOS (stop)-LHR $7.50 and 20K (anytime from October-May)
vs HNL-LAX-BOS $5.00 and 22.5K
It's a great trick you can also use with Hawaii on peak tickets--which are 22.5k. However, if you go to Europe (always choose LHR to avoid fees) its only 20K off peak.
For example, HNL-LAX-BOS (stop)-LHR $7.50 and 20K (anytime from October-May)
vs HNL-LAX-BOS $5.00 and 22.5K
jza
Jun 21, 12, 8:27 am
Because any one-way AA itinerary (and all AA awards are one-way now) must be flown in the exact order of the airports/dates booked. Thus, the HNL-MIA leg must be flown before the MIA-TLS leg. Somehow they have to get themselves to HNL (by plane, boat, or kayak :D) so they can fly the HNL-MIA leg before the MIA-TLS leg, or the whole HNL-MIA-TLS ticket will be canceled.
Thanks for the clarification.^
Thanks for the clarification.^
sdsearch
Jun 21, 12, 11:12 am
always choose LHR to avoid fees
Please explain. On returning from Europe (on an all-AA itinerary), the fees at LHR are the highest, because of the high UK air departure tax. (They're particularly high on above-coach awards or upgrades, since the UK departure tax doubles in all cabins above coach, even in premium economy if it's a separate cabin.)
Are you saying LHR is lower fees on incomingmany ? Why?
(Or are you just saying to make it an all-AA-metal trip to avoid YQ fees on partners? But if so, there are many more all-AA-metal destinations that just LHR, so I'm still confused.)
Please explain. On returning from Europe (on an all-AA itinerary), the fees at LHR are the highest, because of the high UK air departure tax. (They're particularly high on above-coach awards or upgrades, since the UK departure tax doubles in all cabins above coach, even in premium economy if it's a separate cabin.)
Are you saying LHR is lower fees on incomingmany ? Why?
(Or are you just saying to make it an all-AA-metal trip to avoid YQ fees on partners? But if so, there are many more all-AA-metal destinations that just LHR, so I'm still confused.)
Long Zhiren
Jun 21, 12, 1:18 pm
UA used to enable a DEN stopover with 10k mileage plus miles for domestic itineraries. I wonder if it's coming back or if the idea will even get expanded to other options.
I don't know if it's a rule, but in my observations, stopover options have always been at hubs. All of my stopover experiences have been overseas flights like an SFO stopover going MKE-ORD-SFO-SYD on UA. The Asian airlines seem to make stopovers easy to arrange with both FF 1-way awards and revenue flights. I've done it with CX, CI, QR and SQ. The European airlines...I've tried many times and have succeeded only once with a stopover at AMS with KL going from LHR-AMS-JRO, with CO award travel...that was a few years ago.
I don't know if it's a rule, but in my observations, stopover options have always been at hubs. All of my stopover experiences have been overseas flights like an SFO stopover going MKE-ORD-SFO-SYD on UA. The Asian airlines seem to make stopovers easy to arrange with both FF 1-way awards and revenue flights. I've done it with CX, CI, QR and SQ. The European airlines...I've tried many times and have succeeded only once with a stopover at AMS with KL going from LHR-AMS-JRO, with CO award travel...that was a few years ago.
Long Zhiren
Jun 21, 12, 1:30 pm
(Or are you just saying to make it an all-AA-metal trip to avoid YQ fees on partners? But if so, there are many more all-AA-metal destinations that just LHR, so I'm still confused.)
I booked an all HA partner itinerary SJC-HNL-SYD using AA miles. No YQ fees.
I booked an all HA partner itinerary SJC-HNL-SYD using AA miles. No YQ fees.
guv1976
Jun 21, 12, 2:47 pm
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always choose LHR to avoid fees
Please explain. On returning from Europe (on an all-AA itinerary), the fees at LHR are the highest, because of the high UK air departure tax. (They're particularly high on above-coach awards or upgrades, since the UK departure tax doubles in all cabins above coach, even in premium economy if it's a separate cabin.)
Are you saying LHR is lower fees on incomingmany ? Why?
(Or are you just saying to make it an all-AA-metal trip to avoid YQ fees on partners? But if so, there are many more all-AA-metal destinations that just LHR, so I'm still confused.)
There are no UK fees for flights into the UK.
Outbound flights are a very different story.
always choose LHR to avoid fees
Please explain. On returning from Europe (on an all-AA itinerary), the fees at LHR are the highest, because of the high UK air departure tax. (They're particularly high on above-coach awards or upgrades, since the UK departure tax doubles in all cabins above coach, even in premium economy if it's a separate cabin.)
Are you saying LHR is lower fees on incomingmany ? Why?
(Or are you just saying to make it an all-AA-metal trip to avoid YQ fees on partners? But if so, there are many more all-AA-metal destinations that just LHR, so I'm still confused.)
There are no UK fees for flights into the UK.
Outbound flights are a very different story.
Happy
Jun 21, 12, 3:18 pm
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There are no UK fees for flights into the UK.
Outbound flights are a very different story.
I am curious as well - does that mean other European destinations have fees for inbound flights also? therefore LHR becomes the choice? But then, unless one intends that to be a thrown away otherwise one would need to bridge the segment between LHR and other European destination one wants to ultimately go (and return from). The saving on the fee may be less than the ticket one has to buy on that European segment? Inquiring mind wants to know!
There are no UK fees for flights into the UK.
Outbound flights are a very different story.
I am curious as well - does that mean other European destinations have fees for inbound flights also? therefore LHR becomes the choice? But then, unless one intends that to be a thrown away otherwise one would need to bridge the segment between LHR and other European destination one wants to ultimately go (and return from). The saving on the fee may be less than the ticket one has to buy on that European segment? Inquiring mind wants to know!
srdshelly
Jun 21, 12, 6:31 pm
Another nice trick to be aware of with AA awards and N.A. stopovers is having your "final destination" in South America can cost fewer miles than having your final destination in North America. For example, HNL-DFW MileSaaver coach will cost 17.5K miles in off-peak, but HNL-DFW (stop)-LIM will cost 15K miles in coach MileSaaver off-peak. You can either end your trip in DFW and not use the DFW-LIM leg, or use the DFW-LIM leg later, and you saved 2500 miles over a simple HNL-DFW ticket.
I'm not saying you recommended it, but since you mentioned it in passing, I'd like to ask us all not to book a bogus extra leg (one you don't actually plan to use) to South America to save 2500 miles. That's the kind of abuse that will lead American to kill for everyone this nice feature in their award program. First, from their point of view, it takes a seat out of inventory that could have been used to satisfy another customer with reward or paid travel. Second, from the point of view of that other passenger (which could be me, or could be you yourself next time), it will deprive him or her of the opportunity to get the seat. Third, this does amount to a change in destination if you don't fly that leg, and AA would have every right to come after you for an itinerary change fee plus those miles you thought you saved.
I understand we all work the system, but I think when the benefits are quite minor and the potential harms to both yourself and others are significant, it's best not to always try to get the last drop of blood out of an opportunity.
I'm not saying you recommended it, but since you mentioned it in passing, I'd like to ask us all not to book a bogus extra leg (one you don't actually plan to use) to South America to save 2500 miles. That's the kind of abuse that will lead American to kill for everyone this nice feature in their award program. First, from their point of view, it takes a seat out of inventory that could have been used to satisfy another customer with reward or paid travel. Second, from the point of view of that other passenger (which could be me, or could be you yourself next time), it will deprive him or her of the opportunity to get the seat. Third, this does amount to a change in destination if you don't fly that leg, and AA would have every right to come after you for an itinerary change fee plus those miles you thought you saved.
I understand we all work the system, but I think when the benefits are quite minor and the potential harms to both yourself and others are significant, it's best not to always try to get the last drop of blood out of an opportunity.
Happy
Jun 21, 12, 7:24 pm
I'm not saying you recommended it, but since you mentioned it in passing, I'd like to ask us all not to book a bogus extra leg (one you don't actually plan to use) to South America to save 2500 miles. That's the kind of abuse that will lead American to kill for everyone this nice feature in their award program. First, from their point of view, it takes a seat out of inventory that could have been used to satisfy another customer with reward or paid travel. Second, from the point of view of that other passenger (which could be me, or could be you yourself next time), it will deprive him or her of the opportunity to get the seat. Third, this does amount to a change in destination if you don't fly that leg, and AA would have every right to come after you for an itinerary change fee plus those miles you thought you saved.
I understand we all work the system, but I think when the benefits are quite minor and the potential harms to both yourself and others are significant, it's best not to always try to get the last drop of blood out of an opportunity.
We have already seen the effect - the Saaver coach seat between MIA and LIM pretty much disappear - for months on end since beginning of the year. Right now between June and November, a 5 months period! - there is only ONE date has Saaver coach out of a 5 months period - even worse than in the Spring when there were 7 or 8 seats out of a 3 months period Feb to May. Also it is not until November you see 3 days have Saaver Biz - the Mon, Tue and Thur after Thanksgiving weekend. Then it would be 12/30 and 01/01 to 03 you see Biz Saaver again. Still no Coach Saaver. While earlier this year the Saaver Biz was still reasonably available if you can book a couple months in advance.
AA is responding by zero out the Saaver award on AA metal. Damage has already been done.
I understand we all work the system, but I think when the benefits are quite minor and the potential harms to both yourself and others are significant, it's best not to always try to get the last drop of blood out of an opportunity.
We have already seen the effect - the Saaver coach seat between MIA and LIM pretty much disappear - for months on end since beginning of the year. Right now between June and November, a 5 months period! - there is only ONE date has Saaver coach out of a 5 months period - even worse than in the Spring when there were 7 or 8 seats out of a 3 months period Feb to May. Also it is not until November you see 3 days have Saaver Biz - the Mon, Tue and Thur after Thanksgiving weekend. Then it would be 12/30 and 01/01 to 03 you see Biz Saaver again. Still no Coach Saaver. While earlier this year the Saaver Biz was still reasonably available if you can book a couple months in advance.
AA is responding by zero out the Saaver award on AA metal. Damage has already been done.
amolkold
Jun 21, 12, 7:41 pm
For what it's worth, there are no 15K off-peak awards to LIM in the current AA chart. There are 17.5K awards to Northern South America and 20K off-peak awards to Southern South America (Chile, Argentina, Brazil, etc.). Still can be used for the peak awards to Hawaii, but any additional airport fees would bite into the mileage savings.
Also, imo, AA has the right to take away additional miles if you abuse this feature and show that you never meant to take the additional flight.
Also, imo, AA has the right to take away additional miles if you abuse this feature and show that you never meant to take the additional flight.
HumbleBee
Jun 21, 12, 7:43 pm
AS allows a stop on a OW IIRC
guv1976
Jun 21, 12, 7:45 pm
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For what it's worth, there are no 15K off-peak awards to LIM in the current AA chart. There are 17.5K awards to Northern South America and 20K off-peak awards to Southern South America (Chile, Argentina, Brazil, etc.). Still can be used for the peak awards to Hawaii, but any additional airport fees would bite into the mileage savings.
Also, imo, AA has the right to take away additional miles if you abuse this feature and show that you never meant to take the additional flight.
I think you're looking at the wrong chart:
http://www.aa.com/pubcontent/en_US/disclaimers/free-ticket-award-chart.jsp
For what it's worth, there are no 15K off-peak awards to LIM in the current AA chart. There are 17.5K awards to Northern South America and 20K off-peak awards to Southern South America (Chile, Argentina, Brazil, etc.). Still can be used for the peak awards to Hawaii, but any additional airport fees would bite into the mileage savings.
Also, imo, AA has the right to take away additional miles if you abuse this feature and show that you never meant to take the additional flight.
I think you're looking at the wrong chart:
http://www.aa.com/pubcontent/en_US/disclaimers/free-ticket-award-chart.jsp
civico
Jun 21, 12, 9:34 pm
Another nice trick to be aware of with AA awards and N.A. stopovers is having your "final destination" in South America can cost fewer miles than having your final destination in North America. For example, HNL-DFW MileSaaver coach will cost 17.5K miles in off-peak, but HNL-DFW (stop)-LIM will cost 15K miles in coach MileSaaver off-peak. You can either end your trip in DFW and not use the DFW-LIM leg, or use the DFW-LIM leg later, and you saved 2500 miles over a simple HNL-DFW ticket.
Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't even thought of this before. What an awesome way to tag on a trip to South America!
Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't even thought of this before. What an awesome way to tag on a trip to South America!
yoyo
Jun 21, 12, 10:13 pm
Just booked a one-way F ticket JFK->YVR->HKG->HGH with AA miles on CX. What stop over can I do? is YVR considered NA gateway? Thx.
amolkold
Jun 21, 12, 10:17 pm
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I think you're looking at the wrong chart:
http://www.aa.com/pubcontent/en_US/disclaimers/free-ticket-award-chart.jsp
Ahh, yes, I was looking at the partner chart. I forgot AAdvantage miles for international flights on just AA :p
Just booked a one-way F ticket JFK->YVR->HKG->HGH with AA miles on CX. What stop over can I do? is YVR considered NA gateway? Thx.
In that case, YVR is your gateway.
Are you on CX 889 the whole way to HKG? Reason I ask is because CX 889 is JFK-HKG with a stopover in YVR. I don't know if it's possible to book that and have JFK as your stopover since 889 is technically flight to HKG.
I think you're looking at the wrong chart:
http://www.aa.com/pubcontent/en_US/disclaimers/free-ticket-award-chart.jsp
Ahh, yes, I was looking at the partner chart. I forgot AAdvantage miles for international flights on just AA :p
Just booked a one-way F ticket JFK->YVR->HKG->HGH with AA miles on CX. What stop over can I do? is YVR considered NA gateway? Thx.
In that case, YVR is your gateway.
Are you on CX 889 the whole way to HKG? Reason I ask is because CX 889 is JFK-HKG with a stopover in YVR. I don't know if it's possible to book that and have JFK as your stopover since 889 is technically flight to HKG.
civico
Jun 21, 12, 10:21 pm
Just booked a one-way F ticket JFK->YVR->HKG->HGH with AA miles on CX. What stop over can I do? is YVR considered NA gateway? Thx.
If YVR is the last place that you are before leaving the North American region, which it is, then yes, it can be a NA gateway city. Any place in NA that is the last place you are before leaving NA, or the first place you arrive when coming back in to NA, is considered a gateway city and you are allowed to stopover.
If YVR is the last place that you are before leaving the North American region, which it is, then yes, it can be a NA gateway city. Any place in NA that is the last place you are before leaving NA, or the first place you arrive when coming back in to NA, is considered a gateway city and you are allowed to stopover.
yoyo
Jun 21, 12, 10:31 pm
Ahh, yes, I was looking at the partner chart. I forgot AAdvantage miles for international flights on just AA :p
In that case, YVR is your gateway.
Are you on CX 889 the whole way to HKG? Reason I ask is because CX 889 is JFK-HKG with a stopover in YVR. I don't know if it's possible to book that and have JFK as your stopover since 889 is technically flight to HKG.
Yes. CX889 all the way to HKG. I was told I dont need to get off the plane in YVR. Just trying to learn what extra I can get out of this trip. Thank you.
In that case, YVR is your gateway.
Are you on CX 889 the whole way to HKG? Reason I ask is because CX 889 is JFK-HKG with a stopover in YVR. I don't know if it's possible to book that and have JFK as your stopover since 889 is technically flight to HKG.
Yes. CX889 all the way to HKG. I was told I dont need to get off the plane in YVR. Just trying to learn what extra I can get out of this trip. Thank you.
amolkold
Jun 21, 12, 10:45 pm
Yes. CX889 all the way to HKG. I was told I dont need to get off the plane in YVR. Just trying to learn what extra I can get out of this trip. Thank you.
You could try to see if you can get a free one-way to JFK and convince them that that's your actual North American gateway. You would have to fly the one-way, else your ticket would be canceled. Also, unless your miles came from an EXP account, it would be $150 to change origin.
You could have a stopover in YVR the way you have it set up now. CX 889 one-day to YVR, stopover, then CX 889 to HKG (or 837 on the days where it has F).
You could try to see if you can get a free one-way to JFK and convince them that that's your actual North American gateway. You would have to fly the one-way, else your ticket would be canceled. Also, unless your miles came from an EXP account, it would be $150 to change origin.
You could have a stopover in YVR the way you have it set up now. CX 889 one-day to YVR, stopover, then CX 889 to HKG (or 837 on the days where it has F).
kayexalate
Jun 22, 12, 7:25 am
Trying to use my UA miles for an award ticket to SE Asia and found this route on combination of UA and QR flights for 32.5 k miles OW
Will UA allow me to have a stopover in DOH for no additional miles? (not a stopover in North America)
Or will that reprice the itinerary as a middle east trip and cost me 40k miles OW?
If I can stopover in DOH, how long can that stopover be?
Any other NA to SE asia routes that go TATL to allow stopovers in Europe or the middle east?
I also found SFO-MUC-BKK-RGN (on combinations of UA and TG)
Actually looking to go to BKK as a final destination with ideally a stopover in DXB, but most of the time when I put in SFO-BKK it routes me transpacific.
Will UA allow me to have a stopover in DOH for no additional miles? (not a stopover in North America)
Or will that reprice the itinerary as a middle east trip and cost me 40k miles OW?
If I can stopover in DOH, how long can that stopover be?
Any other NA to SE asia routes that go TATL to allow stopovers in Europe or the middle east?
I also found SFO-MUC-BKK-RGN (on combinations of UA and TG)
Actually looking to go to BKK as a final destination with ideally a stopover in DXB, but most of the time when I put in SFO-BKK it routes me transpacific.
slowly
Jun 22, 12, 8:00 am
Going back to the original question BMI did allow that. Not sure about now.
UA Fan
Jun 22, 12, 10:55 am
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AA permits a free stopover only at the North American gateway, on an award between North America and another zone. The free stopover can therefore only occur in the U.S., Canada, or Mexico. (AA recently prohibited the stopover from occurring in the Caribbean on such awards.)
Darn I was hoping to do PHX DFW (stop) MEX MAD.
Can one do LAX HNL (stop) NRT?
AA permits a free stopover only at the North American gateway, on an award between North America and another zone. The free stopover can therefore only occur in the U.S., Canada, or Mexico. (AA recently prohibited the stopover from occurring in the Caribbean on such awards.)
Darn I was hoping to do PHX DFW (stop) MEX MAD.
Can one do LAX HNL (stop) NRT?
UA Fan
Jun 22, 12, 10:56 am
Trying to use my UA miles for an award ticket to SE Asia and found this route on combination of UA and QR flights for 32.5 k miles OW
Will UA allow me to have a stopover in DOH for no additional miles? (not a stopover in North America)
Or will that reprice the itinerary as a middle east trip and cost me 40k miles OW?
If I can stopover in DOH, how long can that stopover be?
Any other NA to SE asia routes that go TATL to allow stopovers in Europe or the middle east?
I also found SFO-MUC-BKK-RGN (on combinations of UA and TG)
Actually looking to go to BKK as a final destination with ideally a stopover in DXB, but most of the time when I put in SFO-BKK it routes me transpacific.
Fyi the UA QR partnership has ended or will soon.
Will UA allow me to have a stopover in DOH for no additional miles? (not a stopover in North America)
Or will that reprice the itinerary as a middle east trip and cost me 40k miles OW?
If I can stopover in DOH, how long can that stopover be?
Any other NA to SE asia routes that go TATL to allow stopovers in Europe or the middle east?
I also found SFO-MUC-BKK-RGN (on combinations of UA and TG)
Actually looking to go to BKK as a final destination with ideally a stopover in DXB, but most of the time when I put in SFO-BKK it routes me transpacific.
Fyi the UA QR partnership has ended or will soon.
kayexalate
Jun 22, 12, 11:05 am
Fyi the UA QR partnership has ended or will soon.
Still showing up as bookable for award miles on their website as far out as February.
So does UA allow a stopover outside of North America?
Still showing up as bookable for award miles on their website as far out as February.
So does UA allow a stopover outside of North America?
UA Fan
Jun 22, 12, 11:08 am
Still showing up as bookable for award miles on their website as far out as February.
So does UA allow a stopover outside of North America?
There is a thread about this in the UA forum. AFAIK one cannot book QR over the phone. Only one way awards online. So I doubt a stopover is possible.
So does UA allow a stopover outside of North America?
There is a thread about this in the UA forum. AFAIK one cannot book QR over the phone. Only one way awards online. So I doubt a stopover is possible.
guv1976
Jun 22, 12, 11:18 am
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AA permits a free stopover only at the North American gateway, on an award between North America and another zone. The free stopover can therefore only occur in the U.S., Canada, or Mexico. (AA recently prohibited the stopover from occurring in the Caribbean on such awards.)
Darn I was hoping to do PHX DFW (stop) MEX MAD.
Can one do LAX HNL (stop) NRT?
Only if the carrier for the HNL-NRT leg publishes a LAX-NRT through-fare that permits routing via HNL.
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AA permits a free stopover only at the North American gateway, on an award between North America and another zone. The free stopover can therefore only occur in the U.S., Canada, or Mexico. (AA recently prohibited the stopover from occurring in the Caribbean on such awards.)
Darn I was hoping to do PHX DFW (stop) MEX MAD.
Can one do LAX HNL (stop) NRT?
Only if the carrier for the HNL-NRT leg publishes a LAX-NRT through-fare that permits routing via HNL.
Happy
Jun 22, 12, 11:20 am
Still showing up as bookable for award miles on their website as far out as February.
So does UA allow a stopover outside of North America?
If you include QR in your award, better pray that you dont need any change / assistance down the road. When a partnership is ended, any subsequent change involved that partner could be a night mare even for a top elite of the airline.
So does UA allow a stopover outside of North America?
If you include QR in your award, better pray that you dont need any change / assistance down the road. When a partnership is ended, any subsequent change involved that partner could be a night mare even for a top elite of the airline.
kayexalate
Jun 22, 12, 11:34 am
If you include QR in your award, better pray that you dont need any change / assistance down the road. When a partnership is ended, any subsequent change involved that partner could be a night mare even for a top elite of the airline.
But how about in general (not necessarily QR) does UA allow a stopover in another geographic area that is not origin or destination? (i.e. N. AM- Europe (stopover) - SE Asia?)
But how about in general (not necessarily QR) does UA allow a stopover in another geographic area that is not origin or destination? (i.e. N. AM- Europe (stopover) - SE Asia?)
UA Fan
Jun 22, 12, 12:02 pm
But how about in general (not necessarily QR) does UA allow a stopover in another geographic area that is not origin or destination? (i.e. N. AM- Europe (stopover) - SE Asia?)
Yes but on a RT award.
Yes but on a RT award.
UA Fan
Jun 22, 12, 12:04 pm
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Only if the carrier for the HNL-NRT leg publishes a LAX-NRT through-fare that permits routing via HNL.
Assuming it is, can it still be done? Just want to know if there is a clause that only continental NA gateways can be used.
Only if the carrier for the HNL-NRT leg publishes a LAX-NRT through-fare that permits routing via HNL.
Assuming it is, can it still be done? Just want to know if there is a clause that only continental NA gateways can be used.
guv1976
Jun 22, 12, 1:34 pm
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Only if the carrier for the HNL-NRT leg publishes a LAX-NRT through-fare that permits routing via HNL.
Assuming it is, can it still be done? Just want to know if there is a clause that only continental NA gateways can be used.
No, there's no restriction that limits the stopover to continental gateways, although AA recently excluded Caribbean stopovers. I believe that others have already posted about getting a stopover at HNL on certain international awards.
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Only if the carrier for the HNL-NRT leg publishes a LAX-NRT through-fare that permits routing via HNL.
Assuming it is, can it still be done? Just want to know if there is a clause that only continental NA gateways can be used.
No, there's no restriction that limits the stopover to continental gateways, although AA recently excluded Caribbean stopovers. I believe that others have already posted about getting a stopover at HNL on certain international awards.