India-based Airlines - Should i have my wife create a FPP for one time travel and then transfer miles to me?

My wife is taking following itinerary and is not at all a frequent flyer, neither domestic nor international. She doesn't hold any FFP program with any airlines where in i am Silver with 9W and have more than 100k JP Miles accumulated. Plus, i also have FPP for AA for my domestic travel within States. Now is it worth creating a FPP account with air france or any other airline for that matter so the miles she accumulate can be gifted or transferred to my account? Is it even worth it?

AF 085 S 09JUN 6*SFOCDG HK1 1835 1400 10JUN
AF2580 W 10JUN 7*CDGLHR HK1 1610 1625 10JUN
AF1981 W 11JUN 1*LHRCDG HK1 1245 1500 11JUN
AF2220 W 11JUN 1*CDGTLV HK1 1845 0010 12JUN
RJ 347 B 13JUN 3*TLVAMM HK1 1745 1830 13JUN
RJ 192 B 13JUN 3*AMMDEL HK1 2035 0435 14JUN
AF 225 K 26JUN 2*DELCDG HK1 0035 0600 26JUN
AF 084 K 26JUN 2*CDGSFO HK1 1035 1245 26JUN

Am i just better of creating a 9W account for her and then transfer those miles to me? Since Air france a partner airlines with Jet airways?

I would like to get some benefit since i am spending more than 2 L on these flights... lol

it won't make sense to transfer the miles to your account since you would have to pay for that....it would be better to just keep the miles in her account & use them whenever you want....

My wife is taking following itinerary and is not at all a frequent flyer, neither domestic nor international. She doesn't hold any FFP program with any airlines where in i am Silver with 9W and have more than 100k JP Miles accumulated. Plus, i also have FPP for AA for my domestic travel within States. Now is it worth creating a FPP account with air france or any other airline for that matter so the miles she accumulate can be gifted or transferred to my account? Is it even worth it?

AF 085 S 09JUN 6*SFOCDG HK1 1835 1400 10JUN
AF2580 W 10JUN 7*CDGLHR HK1 1610 1625 10JUN
AF1981 W 11JUN 1*LHRCDG HK1 1245 1500 11JUN
AF2220 W 11JUN 1*CDGTLV HK1 1845 0010 12JUN
RJ 347 B 13JUN 3*TLVAMM HK1 1745 1830 13JUN
RJ 192 B 13JUN 3*AMMDEL HK1 2035 0435 14JUN
AF 225 K 26JUN 2*DELCDG HK1 0035 0600 26JUN
AF 084 K 26JUN 2*CDGSFO HK1 1035 1245 26JUN

Am i just better of creating a 9W account for her and then transfer those miles to me? Since Air france a partner airlines with Jet airways?

I would like to get some benefit since i am spending more than 2 L on these flights... lol

Why would it not be worthwhile? The cost of opening an FPP is zero.
Other pertinent factors are costs of earning and transfer and value of miles to you. Spending all that money to go from from SFO to DEL and worrying about some 20,000 miles (or 30,000 with COB) is what I don't understand!
Unless she is on a whirlwind business trip, or compelling family circumstances, I fail to understand why someone would pay $2500 or more to get miles worth no more than $500, ($1000 max).

Why would it not be worthwhile? The cost of opening an FPP is zero.
Other pertinent factors are costs of earning and transfer and value of miles to you. Spending all that money to go from from SFO to DEL and worrying about some 20,000 miles (or 30,000 with COB) is what I don't understand!
Unless she is on a whirlwind business trip, or compelling family circumstances, I fail to understand why someone would pay $2500 or more to get miles worth no more than $500, ($1000 max).

I should have mentioned earlier... There is no way this is planned for miles. She is doing this for reasons, wedding in India, on the way a business meeting in london and then a quick trip to Holy City of Jeruslam.

Since i take a decent amount of flights, i was wondering why waste all these miles that she can get.

So again, should i set up a FPP program for her with Air France and Royal Jordanian and let the miles just stay there or transfer them to my account.

I have 9w (Primarily) AA and Lufthansa

it won't make sense to transfer the miles to your account since you would have to pay for that....it would be better to just keep the miles in her account & use them whenever you want....


Lets say the cost of transferring if $200 and value of these miles is $500, it makes perfect sense because we know she isn't going to travel again for years and the miles might just expire?

Lets say the cost of transferring if $200 and value of these miles is $500, it makes perfect sense because we know she isn't going to travel again for years and the miles might just expire?
Not quite. If the miles are enough for an award by themselves (i.e. without pooling with your miles), then it's better if the miles just remain in your wife's account. When you need the award ticket, she can use her miles and get ticket on your name.

Lets say the cost of transferring if $200 and value of these miles is $500, it makes perfect sense because we know she isn't going to travel again for years and the miles might just expire?

Not quite. If the miles are enough for an award by themselves (i.e. without pooling with your miles), then it's better if the miles just remain in your wife's account. When you need the award ticket, she can use her miles and get ticket on your name.

exactly....my wife doesn't travel all that much but whatever miles she earns remain in her account....i don't transfer any of that over to my account & in case i need to use them then i just do that from there....

Only reason to transfer is if you are booking a large value award ticket and don't have enough miles to do it. Otherwise, just leave it in a separate account and use as the need arises.

If you have status and your infrequent traveller spouse does not, it's better to have all the miles in your account. Your status will be helpful when redeeming those miles.
As for me personally, I wouldn't lose my sleep over 20,000 miles or so. There is not a whole lot one can do with 20,000 miles.
To the OP do not take my valuation of your miles at face value.

If you have status and your infrequent traveller spouse does not, it's better to have all the miles in your account. Your status will be helpful when redeeming those miles.

he has silver status with jet which pretty much means nothing....specially with all of jet's devaluations as of late....

So, last question... Should i sign her up with 9W program or Air France? Also, about these two RJ flights, should i set up any FPP or just let this go? i don't see them partner with 9W but IT may be?

So, last question... Should i sign her up with 9W program or Air France? Also, about these two RJ flights, should i set up any FPP or just let this go? i don't see them partner with 9W but IT may be?

sign her up for whichever program you see yourself using the most....

he has silver status with jet which pretty much means nothing....specially with all of jet's devaluations as of late....

Shhhhhhh. People will hear. Thatt's good point. If he intends to soar to higher staus, whic neither of us knows, consoldating miles could be advantageous.

Guys i know i am a little kid when it comes to our status with these FPP programs but come on, honest question for a some-what frequent traveller.

Show some love!

I am silver with 9W and yea, going to just enroll her with 9W program and keep the miles there and may be transfer to my account if i ever plan to redeem.

Thanks for all the help and yea... for RJ flights, just forget about it?

Thanks for all the help and yea... for RJ flights, just forget about it?
Create an AA account for her.. Credit the RJ miles to AA and then transfer those to your account.

Create an AA account for her.. Credit the RJ miles to AA and then transfer those to your account.

Great, Since i have AA account and few thousands miles in that... I guess this seems to be an option.

Thanks for all the help guys!

Guys i know i am a little kid when it comes to our status with these FPP programs but come on, honest question for a some-what frequent traveller.

Show some love!

I am silver with 9W and yea, going to just enroll her with 9W program and keep the miles there and may be transfer to my account if i ever plan to redeem.

Thanks for all the help and yea... for RJ flights, just forget about it?

don't get me wrong, silver status definitely meant something with jet earlier....the best advantage was the lounge access....now, with all their devaluations its not a status that would influence my decision on where my miles go....

Make sure to check the earnings table - 9W may earn less miles for the fare class she is booked in than another one of AF's partners.

AF 085 S 09JUN 6*SFOCDG HK1 1835 1400 10JUN
AF2580 W 10JUN 7*CDGLHR HK1 1610 1625 10JUN
AF1981 W 11JUN 1*LHRCDG HK1 1245 1500 11JUN
AF2220 W 11JUN 1*CDGTLV HK1 1845 0010 12JUN
RJ 347 B 13JUN 3*TLVAMM HK1 1745 1830 13JUN
RJ 192 B 13JUN 3*AMMDEL HK1 2035 0435 14JUN
AF 225 K 26JUN 2*DELCDG HK1 0035 0600 26JUN
AF 084 K 26JUN 2*CDGSFO HK1 1035 1245 26JUN


Out of the above planned ticket, she missed her LHR CDG flight because of train system messed up in London so she took a next flight to TLV so catch up with the trip. Everything went well was able to able to catch up with RJ 347 and today RJ 192 to India.

Interestingly, the travel agent calls me today to inform she won't be able to take the backward journey since she missed one leg of the flight and it was all under same PNR.

is that true? This makes no sense to me whatsoever but i am not so much frequent in traveling overseas.

This was booked through a pretty famous travel agency called "Ria enterprises" in India. So the DEL SFO is just wasted and we need to pay again to book that flight?

Any help before 24th June is highly appreciated

Interestingly, the travel agent calls me today to inform she won't be able to take the backward journey since she missed one leg of the flight and it was all under same PNR.

is that true? This makes no sense to me whatsoever but i am not so much frequent in traveling overseas.

unfortunately your travel agent is right....if you have a return ticket & miss the first flight then you cannot take the return one on the same pnr....

unfortunately your travel agent is right....if you have a return ticket & miss the first flight then you cannot take the return one on the same pnr....


Wow! That is really shocking to me and would like to know what others think of this policy. From an airline stand point, how does anything change? They were going to fly her DEL SFO anyway and we paid for it.

Unbelievable!

Can i call an airline to see if they'd make an exception?

unfortunately your travel agent is right....if you have a return ticket & miss the first flight then you cannot take the return one on the same pnr....

But she didn't miss the first flight, she missed the leg in between. Does that changes anything. I mean she took the SFO LHR flight.

Unfortunately, does not matter. If you miss a leg, all then you cannot take any of the subsequent legs.

I think the only way to avoid this would be that the travel agent should have been called when she missed the flight. Seems that the TA did not book the alternate flight to TLV?

If you don't show up at the airport for any segment, all subsequent segments will be cancelled. If you miss the flight but arrive at the check-in counter after your flight has departed, this won't (usually) apply - they will instead rebook you based on the carrier's policies.

The only carrier that I know of which doesn't have this policy is Tashi Air (Bhutan), because their ticketing policies are weird..

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The strike wasn't scheduled for 11th June. What happened?
I am not trying to rub it in, but from the very start, I did not have a good feeling about this itinerary. There were too many links that could pose a problems that are left best to a seasoned traveller.
She migjt not even havw made it to India.
Did she have amy conversation about missimg her LHR-CDG flight?
I have misses a flight a couple of times, but stayed on top of things by communicating with the airline.

My main question is - how did she get to TLV? That segment should have been cancelled if she missed LHR-CDG.

My main question is - how did she get to TLV? That segment should have been cancelled if she missed LHR-CDG.

Because it was on RJ, whereas LHR-CDG was on AF... I'll bet that the two PNRs did not "talk" to each other.

I have skipped multiple legs on some of my trips and joined up at a different point... it all depends on whether the systems talk to each other. Sometimes, carriers will not "talk" to each other and you can resume your trip from a point where a different carrier is providing service.

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My main question is - how did she get to TLV? That segment should have been cancelled if she missed LHR-CDG.

Because it was on RJ, whereas LHR-CDG was on AF... I'll bet that the two PNRs did not "talk" to each other.

I have skipped multiple legs on some of my trips and joined up at a different point... it all depends on whether the systems talk to each other. Sometimes, carriers will not "talk" to each other and you can resume your trip from a point where a different carrier is providing service.

Going by the itinerary posted, CDG-TLV was and AF coded flight. Was it an RJ operated flight or did you miss the AF code?

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Going by the itinerary posted, CDG-TLV was and AF coded flight. Was it an RJ operated flight or did you miss the AF code?

It was, but after she missed LHR-CDG, she took a separate flight LHR-TLV to catch up with the RJ flight TLV-AMM:

Out of the above planned ticket, she missed her LHR CDG flight because of train system messed up in London so she took a next flight to TLV so catch up with the trip. Everything went well was able to able to catch up with RJ 347 and today RJ 192 to India.

It was, but after she missed LHR-CDG, she took a separate flight LHR-TLV to catch up with the RJ flight TLV-AMM:

The sentence isn't clear.. If OP could clarify....

If his wife had arrived at LHR late, and told AF that her train had problems, I think AF would have rebooked her, at least for a fee? That would mean that her return segments would still be active...

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Going by the itinerary posted, CDG-TLV was and AF coded flight. Was it an RJ operated flight or did you miss the AF code?

It was, but after she missed LHR-CDG, she took a separate flight LHR-TLV to catch up with the RJ flight TLV-AMM:

Out of the above planned ticket, she missed her LHR CDG flight because of train system messed up in London so she took a next flight to TLV so catch up with the trip. Everything went well was able to able to catch up with RJ 347 and today RJ 192 to India.

How could she fly LHR-TLV on RJ? Id she flew RJ, won't she be doing LHR-AMM-TLV, unless RJ had rights to fly LHR-TLV nonstop.
I agree with PVDtoDEL that OP's description is ambiguous.

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How could she fly LHR-TLV on RJ? Id she flew RJ, won't she be doing LHR-AMM-TLV, unless RJ had rights to fly LHR-TLV nonstop.
I agree with PVDtoDEL that OP's description is ambiguous.

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1. She was booked to fly LHR-CDG-TLV on AF, TLV-AMM-DEL on RJ
2. She missed her flight LHR-CDG (and by extension, CDG-TLV).
3. She flew LHR-TLV on a separate ticket to catch up with the RJ flights TLV-AMM-DEL

Or at least that is how it reads to me

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How could she fly LHR-TLV on RJ? Id she flew RJ, won't she be doing LHR-AMM-TLV, unless RJ had rights to fly LHR-TLV nonstop.
I agree with PVDtoDEL that OP's description is ambiguous.

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1. She was booked to fly LHR-CDG-TLV on AF, TLV-AMM-DEL on RJ
2. She missed her flight LHR-CDG (and by extension, CDG-TLV).
3. She flew LHR-TLV on a separate ticket to catch up with the RJ flights TLV-AMM-DEL

Or at least that is how it reads to me

Your third point is an assumption on your part, or is there something mohit said to indivate that she purchased a sepatate to ticket between LHR and TLV?
The scenario you paint might be the correct one, that's not the route I would have taken. I would have gone to the AF counter and see if they could not accommodate on a later itinerary on AF or one of their partners.

Your third point is an assumption on your part, or is there something mohit said to indivate that she purchased a sepatate to ticket between LHR and TLV?
The scenario you paint might be the correct one, that's not the route I would have taken. I would have gone to the AF counter and see if they could not accommodate on a later itinerary on AF or one of their partners.

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Your third point is an assumption on your part, or is there something mohit said to indivate that she purchased a sepatate to ticket between LHR and TLV?
The scenario you paint might be the correct one, that's not the route I would have taken. I would have gone to the AF counter and see if they could not accommodate on a later itinerary on AF or one of their partners.

AZ and KLM would have deposited her to TLV only a couple of hours later than the scheduled AF arrival. I doubt that a business woman would not think of other options available at the AF counter in at LHR before buying another ticket.

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Your third point is an assumption on your part, or is there something mohit said to indivate that she purchased a sepatate to ticket between LHR and TLV?
The scenario you paint might be the correct one, that's not the route I would have taken. I would have gone to the AF counter and see if they could not accommodate on a later itinerary on AF or one of their partners.

It's my educated guess. I am assuming that she inquired with AF about her options and was not satisfied with what they offered.

It's my educated guess. I am assuming that she inquired with AF about her options and was not satisfied with what they offered.

Guess, yes, educated nor plausible is harder to come to terms with. Since I don't know her, I have no idea what she would prefer. My assumption is that someone who chooses an itinerary like the one posted is either a seasoned, hardened traveller like some mileage runners on FT, or rather clueless.

Personally, I would not find a paid option necessarily better than a same day alternate flight. I have no basis to make an assumption that she did not like any of the options offered.

No airline other than BA and El-Al would be serving a nonstop route. And I can't imagine those to be cheap.
I was hoping for a clarification, on the assumption that you knew something I did not.

Guess, yes, educated nor plausible is harder to come to terms with. Since I don't know her, I have no idea what she would prefer. My assumption is that someone who chooses an itinerary like the one posted is either a seasoned, hardened traveller like some mileage runners on FT, or rather clueless.

Personally, I would not find a paid option necessarily better than a same day alternate flight. I have no basis to make an assumption that she did not like any of the options offered.

No airline other than BA and El-Al would be serving a nonstop route. And I can't imagine those to be cheap.
I was hoping for a clarification, on the assumption that you knew something I did not.

Considering the itinerary schedule, she would not have had many options other than the non-stops if she wanted to get to India on her scheduled date.

I have been in this situation before, and while I would not want to pay out of pocket, I have had to do exactly that in order to be on schedule.

Besides, if AF did rebook her, then her trip would not be cancelled...

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Guess, yes, educated nor plausible is harder to come to terms with. Since I don't know her, I have no idea what she would prefer. My assumption is that someone who chooses an itinerary like the one posted is either a seasoned, hardened traveller like some mileage runners on FT, or rather clueless.

Personally, I would not find a paid option necessarily better than a same day alternate flight. I have no basis to make an assumption that she did not like any of the options offered.

No airline other than BA and El-Al would be serving a nonstop route. And I can't imagine those to be cheap.
I was hoping for a clarification, on the assumption that you knew something I did not.

Considering the itinerary schedule, she would not have had many options other than the non-stops if she wanted to get to India on her scheduled date.

I have been in this situation before, and while I would not want to pay out of pocket, I have had to do exactly that in order to be on schedule.

Besides, if AF did rebook her, then her trip would not be cancelled...

She might very well have done what you think she did. Contrary to your claim there were numerous one stop oprions. There is no reason to assume that she did buy a separate ticket. It's not beyond the realm of possibility to have her return trip cancelles even after AF arranged for her travel to TLV after her being a no show. It depends on how the AF agent closed the transaction.

Why are we still discussing this? OP seems to have lost interest in shedding light on the matter and we're shooting in the dark.

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Why are we still discussing this? OP seems to have lost interest in shedding light on the matter and we're shooting in the dark.

Because it's here. :)