Trip Reports - Prestige class @ Korean Air = Nie wieder !

Flug KE 688 von Kambodscha (Siem Reap) nach Korea (ICN) am 6. Mai 2012.
Die Vorfreude war gross- Award Flug in der Business class. Die Erinnerung an den letzten Flug vor 4 Jahren in der KE Business class von Deutschland nach Korea: Sehr zuvorkommendes und nett anzuschauende FAs (Sorry LH, aber dagegen seht ihr keine Sonne...), bemerkenswerter Service und große, bequeme Sitze.
Und jetzt? SCHOCK !!!

Warum?

Prestige class
Was zum Teufel soll das? Da werden mir die Meilen für biz class abgerechnet und dann gibt's nur eine Prestige class anstelle Business??
Nur am wording kann es nicht liegen- doch der Reihe nach:
3 Reihen zu je 2 Sitzen macht gesamt 12 Plätze in der sog. Prestige class, die mit 11 Personen besetzt war. Eine First class gab es nicht.
Nach dem boarding wurden wie üblich die Getränke gereicht; aber warum denn nur Wasser und O-Saft?? Kein Sekt, geschweige denn Champagner!
1:0 LH vs KE

Erfrischungstücher?
Ebenfalls Fehlanzeige!
2:0 LH vs KE

Magazine? Nur auf Nachfrage- allerdings ein armseliges Sortiment aus 3 englischsprachigen Magazinen , wovon sich 2 nur auf Sport bezogen.
3:0 LH vs KE

Und die Sitze? Das Schlechteste was ich auf meinen insgesamt 25 Flügen in der biz class erlebt habe!!!
Fliege regelmässig LH, OZ oder Singapur Airlines- aber dieser Sitz ist schlicht eine FRECHHEIT!!!
Gut, auf Leder kann ich verzichten- insofern hat mich auch der Listerine-farbende Stoffbezug nicht gestört.
Aber KEINE Liegefunktion!!
Im Gegenteil- die Fußstütze lässt sich max um 45 Grad verstellen und ist so kurz, dass das harte ausklappbare Metallgestell brutal die Waden quetscht, wenn man die Beine ausstreckt. Ich bin 189 cm groß und bin selbst überrascht, dass ich diesen 5 stündigen Flug ohne Trombose überstanden habe! Allerdings hat mich diese schmerzhafte Sitzposition derart aggressiv gemacht, dass es nur meiner guten Kinderstube und eisernen Disziplin zu verdanken war, dass ich den FAs (ich weiß, sie können nichts dafür) keine Szene gemacht habe.
Auch war es das erste Mal, dass ich Reisende in der sog. Biz class gesehen habe, die nach 4 Stunden Flug aufgestanden sind und Dehnübungen gemacht haben. Und zwar normal kleine Koreaner (!) und keine Europäer mit Gardemaßen.
Eigentlich müsste ich wegen der Foltersitze auf ein 10:0 für LH (wobei LH nur stellvertretend für alle Star Alliance Partner steht) kommen, beschränke mich aus Gründen der Fairness aber nur auf ein:
4:0 LH vs KE

Und das Essen? Auf Asiaten ausgerichtet! Die wenigsten Europäer werden morgens um 5 Uhr nach einer qualvollen, durchwachten Nacht Lust auf ein wärme Suppe oder seafood haben. Der in der Karte aufgeführte Yoghurt wurde mit vorenthalten (habe es leider erst nach dem Service gesehen).
5:0 LH vs KE

Das Erfrischungstuch! Es kam doch noch. Vor dem Essen. Leider nicht aromatisiert- deswegen gibt es keinen Punkt dafür.

Das Personal war wie immer sehr freundlich und hübsch anzusehen- aber auch diese Äusserlichkeiten können diesen UNTERIRDISCHEN Sitzkomfort in KEINSTER WEISE auch nur ansatzweise kompensieren.
Den Stuhldesigner bzw. die Rotstiftfuzzis sollte man damit mal auf einen 12 Stunden Flug schicken. Festgeschnallt und ohne Trombosestrümpfe...

Letztendlich kann ich nur alle WARNEN- bezahlt NIE für biz bei KE, wenn es dafür nur Prestige class gibt! Bis auf das Mehr an Beinfreiheit ist es m.E. nur Economy- eine Mogelpackung.

How about english please

it seems like this is a trip report borderline with a rant. The OP did not have the best experience it seems. It is defo not the most dimensional review-report I have ever read but it is an opinion and therefore,,,,,thank you?

:D

Flight KE 688 on Cambodia (Siem Reap) to Korea (ICN) 6 May 2012.
The anticipation was great award flight in business class. The memory of the last flight before the age of 4 in the KE Business class from Germany to Korea: Very courteous and nice-looking to FAs (LH Sorry, but however you see no sun ...), remarkable service and big, comfortable seats.
And now? SHOCK!

Why?

Prestige class
What the hell is this? Since I will be charged for the miles biz class and then there's only a prestige class instead of business?
Only the wording can not lie, however, in order:
Three rows of two seats, making a total of 12 seats in the so-called prestige class, which was staffed by 11 people. A first class did not exist.
After boarding, as usual, the drinks were served, but why only water and orange juice? No champagne, let alone champagne!
1-0 vs. LH KE

Napkins?
Also without success!
2-0 vs. LH KE

Magazine? Only on-demand, but a pathetic assortment of three English-language magazines, which are based on only two sports.
3-0 vs. LH KE

And the seats? The worst thing I've experienced in my total of 25 flights in the biz class!
Regularly fly LH, OZ and Singapore Airlines, but this seat is simply a FRESH BEAUTY!
Well, on leather-so I can do without me even the Listerine-colored border fabric is not disturbed.
But NO reclining!
On the contrary, the footrest can be adjusted up to 45 degrees and is so short that the hard metal folding frame brutally crushed the calf, if one stretches out his legs. I am 189 cm tall and I'm surprised that I got over those 5-hour flight without thrombosis! However, I made the painful sitting position so aggressively that it was only thanks to my good breeding and iron discipline that I have the FAs (I know it is not their fault) did not make a scene.
It was also the first time I've seen traveling in the so-called Biz class, who stood up after 4 hours of flight and did stretching exercises. Although small and normal Koreans (!) And Europeans with no guard dimensions.
Actually, I would have because of the torture seats to a 10-0 for LH (where LH only representative of all Star Alliance partner is) coming, restrict myself for the sake of fairness, but only one:
4-0 vs. LH KE

And the food? Geared to Asians! Very few Europeans will have the morning at 5 clock after a painful, sleepless night feel like a heat soup or seafood. The yogurt listed in the card was withheld by (unfortunately, it was seen only after the service).
5-0 vs. LH KE

The towelette! It came after all. Before eating. Unfortunately, not flavored, so there is no point for it.

The staff were as always very friendly and nice to look at, but these externals can compensate for this in ANY WAY UNDERGROUND comfort even to some extent.
The chair or the designer Rotstiftfuzzis should send it once on a 12 hour flight. Strapped and without Trombosestrümpfe ...

Ultimately, all I can NEVER WARN-paid biz with KE when it only gives prestige class! Except for that extra degree of freedom leg is m.E. economy only a sham.

According to Google Translate

I am not a Sky Team person, but flying via ICN quite frequently, I believe this is a 'tourist' night flight operated with short-haul B737-800 - equivalent of A320 FRA-BEY/CMN routes, folks so much hate on the M&M forum.

PS. I do not believe LH serves PDB champagne on night FRA-BEY/CMN flights, so 1:1 LH/KE, I would say. Also... FRA-BEY/CMN are operated with A320's with standard Y-seats (with middle seat blocked in C) - so 1:2 for KE - just my 2 cents...

It's an intra-Asia flight. Naturally, the food would be geared towards Asians.

This isn't a trip report. This is a trip rant. I recommend striking this.

Einen Reisebericht auf Deutsch sieht man hier aber selten. ;)


"Prestige class @ Korean Air = Nie wieder" means

Prestige Class @ Korean Air = No more again"

Einen Reisebericht auf Deutsch sieht man hier aber selten. ;)


"Prestige class @ Korean Air = Nie wieder" means

Prestige Class @ Korean Air = No more again"

Never again!

The Google translation makes it look as if there were 11 staff on a 12-seat cabin. The German original says that 11 out of the 12 seats were occupied.

The OP has a thing about hot towels. He got them in the end, but later than he wanted. He didn't like Asian food (so why travel on Korean Air?!!!!). He thought the seats were very uncomfortable, unpleasant to look at, too small, designed for small Asian chimpanzees (so why travel on Korean Air....etc?) with the footrests only rising up by 45 degrees. At several reprises he says it is amazing that he didn't get DVT, and should have brought compression stockings.....

Und so weiter (etc) und weiter.

I have the distinct impression that he won't fly with this airline again.

I have translated the German to English (read through and translated it), some colloquialism may be different or need to be changed but you'll get the idea of what the OP was writing in German.
(*lived in Germany for 10 yrs as a teen)


Prestige class @ Korean Air = Never Again!

Flight KE 688 from Cambodia (Siem Reap) to Korea (ICN) 6 May 2012.
The anticipation was great- award flight in business class. The memory of the last flight 4 years ago in KE Business class from Germany to Korea: Very courteous and good-looking FAs (LH Sorry, but however you see no sun ...), remarkable service and big, comfortable seats.
And now? SHOCK!

Why?

Prestige Class
What the hell is this? Since I'll be charged for the miles in biz class then there's only prestige class instead of business?
Only the wording can't lie, but first things first:Three rows of two seats, making a total of 12 seats in the so-called prestige class, with 11 seats occupied.
There's no First Class.
After boarding, as usual, drinks were served, but why was there only water and orange juice? No sparkling wine, let alone champagne!
1-0 vs. LH vs KE

Hot Towels (refreshing towels)?
Also without success!
2-0 vs. LH KE

Magazine? Only upon request, pathetic assortment of three English-language magazines, which were only two types-sports related.
3-0 vs. LH KE

And the seats? The worst I've experienced in my total of 25 flights in the biz class!Regularly fly LH, OZ and Singapore Airlines, but this seat is simply an INSULT (The gall)!Well, I can do without leather even the Listerine-colored border fabric didn't bother me. But NO recline! On the contrary, the footrest can be adjusted up to 45 degrees and it's so short that the hard metal folding frame brutally crushed the calves, if one stretches out their legs. I am 189 cm tall and I'm surprised that on a 5-hour flight I didn't get DVT!
However, I made the painful sitting position so aggressively that it was only thanks to my good breeding and iron discipline that I have the FAs (I know it is not their fault) did not make a scene.
It was also the first time I've seen travelers in the so-called Biz class, who've stood up after 4 hours during the flight and did stretching exercises. Although small and normal Koreans (!) And Europeans with no guard dimensions.
Actually, because of the torture seats I would haven given 10-0 for LH (where's LH is a proxy for all Star alliance partners) confine myself for the sake of fairness, but only one:
4-0 vs. LH KE

And the food? Geared to Asians! Very few Europeans at 5am will after a painful, sleepless night feel like a hot soup or seafood. The yogurt listed on the menu was withheld (unfortunately, it was only seen after the service).
5-0 vs. LH KE

The hot towel! It came after all. Before eating. Unfortunately, not flavored, so there is no point for it.
The crew were as always very friendly and nice to look at, but these outward appearances in no way compensate NOT IN THE LEAST for the ABYSMAL seat comfort.
The chair designer or rather "Rotstiftfuzzis" should be sent on a 12 hour flight. Strapped in and without compression socks ...

Ultimately, I cant just only WARN- NEVER pay for biz on KE when it only gives you prestige class! Except for the extra degree of legroom it is in my opinion only economy - a sham.

I am not a Sky Team person, but flying via ICN quite frequently, I believe this is a 'tourist' night flight operated with short-haul B737-800 - equivalent of A320 FRA-BEY/CMN routes, folks so much hate on the M&M forum.

PS. I do not believe LH serves PDB champagne on night FRA-BEY/CMN flights, so 1:1 LH/KE, I would say. Also... FRA-BEY/CMN are operated with A320's with standard Y-seats (with middle seat blocked in C) - so 1:2 for KE - just my 2 cents...

LH is only serving real champagne on Long Haul Business flights, otherwise it's Sekt (german sparkling wine)

Short haul J on just about every asian carrier beats the pants off the psuedo business class that is offered on short haul Europe

And yes intra asian flights with mostly Asian pax will tend to have Asian food on the menu, it is sort of the point in going to Asia to have the local food, what a thought.

I have translated the German to English (read through and translated it), some colloquialism may be different or need to be changed but you'll get the idea of what the OP was writing in German.
(*lived in Germany for 10 yrs as a teen)


Prestige class @ Korean Air = Never Again!

Flight KE 688 from Cambodia (Siem Reap) to Korea (ICN) 6 May 2012.
The anticipation was great- award flight in business class. The memory of the last flight 4 years ago in KE Business class from Germany to Korea: Very courteous and good-looking FAs (LH Sorry, but however you see no sun ...), remarkable service and big, comfortable seats.
And now? SHOCK!

Why?

Prestige Class
What the hell is this? Since I'll be charged for the miles in biz class then there's only prestige class instead of business?
Only the wording can't lie, but first things first:Three rows of two seats, making a total of 12 seats in the so-called prestige class, with 11 seats occupied.
There's no First Class.
After boarding, as usual, drinks were served, but why was there only water and orange juice? No sparkling wine, let alone champagne!
1-0 vs. LH vs KE

Hot Towels (refreshing towels)?
Also without success!
2-0 vs. LH KE

Magazine? Only upon request, pathetic assortment of three English-language magazines, which were only two types-sports related.
3-0 vs. LH KE

And the seats? The worst I've experienced in my total of 25 flights in the biz class!Regularly fly LH, OZ and Singapore Airlines, but this seat is simply an INSULT (The gall)!Well, I can do without leather even the Listerine-colored border fabric didn't bother me. But NO recline! On the contrary, the footrest can be adjusted up to 45 degrees and it's so short that the hard metal folding frame brutally crushed the calves, if one stretches out their legs. I am 189 cm tall and I'm surprised that on a 5-hour flight I didn't get DVT!
However, I made the painful sitting position so aggressively that it was only thanks to my good breeding and iron discipline that I have the FAs (I know it is not their fault) did not make a scene.
It was also the first time I've seen travelers in the so-called Biz class, who've stood up after 4 hours during the flight and did stretching exercises. Although small and normal Koreans (!) And Europeans with no guard dimensions.
Actually, because of the torture seats I would haven given 10-0 for LH (where's LH is a proxy for all Star alliance partners) confine myself for the sake of fairness, but only one:
4-0 vs. LH KE

And the food? Geared to Asians! Very few Europeans at 5am will after a painful, sleepless night feel like a hot soup or seafood. The yogurt listed on the menu was withheld (unfortunately, it was only seen after the service).
5-0 vs. LH KE

The hot towel! It came after all. Before eating. Unfortunately, not flavored, so there is no point for it.
The crew were as always very friendly and nice to look at, but these outward appearances in no way compensate NOT IN THE LEAST for the ABYSMAL seat comfort.
The chair designer or rather "Rotstiftfuzzis" should be sent on a 12 hour flight. Strapped in and without compression socks ...

Ultimately, I cant just only WARN- NEVER pay for biz on KE when it only gives you prestige class! Except for the extra degree of legroom it is in my opinion only economy - a sham.

Thank you for your effort to translate this!