India-based Airlines - RUMOR: Jet Airways route cancellations

So - just heard from today the following in order of certainty:

9W has already pulled out of DEL-CMB and new timings are in effect for MAA-CMB-MAA twice daily. One flight is a MAA-CMB-MAA afternoon turnaround, and the other routing is MAA-CMB-BOM (evening dep MAA-CMB and then CMB-BOM night to connect most international flights, and then BOM-CMB early AM to connect incoming international flights, and then early morning CMB-MAA for domestic connections).

9W is pulling out of MAA-DXB effective 21 JUN – Confirmed citing low yields

9W is pulling out of MAA-KUL (hence KUL all together) citing low yields from July 2nd (not announced but flights are zeroed out from that day) – high probability

9W is changing MAA-SIN-MAA to an Airbus effective July / August (unconfirmed, low probability) - SPECIFICALLY Jet's only airbus - A330-200 (subsequent conversation with 9W sales has confirmed this to be just a rumor and has confirmed KUL cancellation as going ahead)

Johannesburg's going too. As is Bahrain (unless they're reinstating BAH yet again, only to pull it two days later).

So - just heard from today the following in order of certainty:

9W has already pulled out of DEL-CMB and new timings are in effect for MAA-CMB-MAA twice daily. One flight is a MAA-CMB-MAA afternoon turnaround, and the other routing is MAA-CMB-BOM (evening dep MAA-CMB and then CMB-BOM night to connect most international flights, and then BOM-CMB early AM to connect incoming international flights, and then early morning CMB-MAA for domestic connections).

9W is pulling out of MAA-DXB effective 21 JUN – Confirmed citing low yields

9W is pulling out of MAA-KUL (hence KUL all together) citing low yields from July 2nd (not announced but flights are zeroed out from that day) – high probability

9W is changing MAA-SIN-MAA to an Airbus effective July / August (unconfirmed, low probability)
Shades of IT troubles?
A consequence of the rs 50 charge for printiing e-tickets perhaps? :D

BOM-BAH has been cancelled and reinstated 3 times over the past week. No clue of what the current status is.

A TOI report says that in the wake of IT and AI troubles, Jet Airways is planning expansion! What's going on?

A TOI report says that in the wake of IT and AI troubles, Jet Airways is planning expansion! What's going on?

Nothing clearly... ToI is probably innacurate, just like usual.

Yes - I am surprised they cut MAA-KUL - that too has pretty high O&D traffic thanks to the tourist trade and the large tamil diaspora in malaysia. But that's a very cost conscious segment and they'll mostly fly whatever is the cheapest. MH has a widebody on that route and AI flies too, both of them offering cheaper rates than 9W.

Yes - I am surprised they cut MAA-KUL - that too has pretty high O&D traffic thanks to the tourist trade and the large tamil diaspora in malaysia. But that's a very cost conscious segment and they'll mostly fly whatever is the cheapest. MH has a widebody on that route and AI flies too, both of them offering cheaper rates than 9W.

Yeah, surprised as well that they're ditching the MAA - KUL route. AI stopped flying the MAA -KUL route as well some time back. Only Air India Express operates a daily & Air asia 2 flights a day. The Malaysian airlines flight is a code-share as well with Jet..??

Yes MH and 9W have had a codeshare for a long time.

As for the traffic not surprised that AI moved the flight to their LCC product. Most of that traffic is blue collar workers etc. The usual "courier" trade usually goes to bkk or sin .. malaysia tends to get sophisticated electronics just about last, after most every other country in asia gets it.

Nothing clearly... ToI is probably innacurate, just like usual.
Indeed! ^ Take what the ToI says with a huge bucket of salt.

We were booked on CMB-DEL flight for August, 9W rebooked us thru BOM and have already changed the times twice since then. Who knows if there'll be a flight ex CMB by the time Aug rolls in :confused:

BOM RUH second daily & TRV SHJ ended in early may and DEL CMB 15th may. So a pretty sharp cancellation rate for what would be unprofitable international sectors

9W is pulling out of MAA-KUL (hence KUL all together) citing low yields from July 2nd (not announced but flights are zeroed out from that day) – high probability

it would suck if this happens....i fly this route 3-4 times a year....

After deleting all the quarreling posts (over 30 of them, I think), I am reopening this thread.

Stay on topic, please.

Babu
Moderator, IBA Forum

With margins getting affected due to rising fuel cost and tough competition in the domestic segment, route rationalization seems to be the only way to save burning cash and avoid an IT like situation.

With margins getting affected due to rising fuel cost and tough competition in the domestic segment, route rationalization seems to be the only way to save burning cash and avoid an IT like situation.

Route rationalisation is one measure. Cost savings from rational fee(s) for service(s) is another. Jet Airways has abetter future as a regional airline in an alliance than as an ambitious airline outside an alliance.

As per 03JUN12 GDS timetable and inventory display, Jet Airways starting 10SEP12 is cancelling 9W 225/9W 226 JFK-BRU service.:mad:

Wonder if MAA-BRU operation is going to continue??:mad:

As per 03JUN12 GDS timetable and inventory display, Jet Airways starting 10SEP12 is cancelling 9W 225/9W 226 JFK-BRU service.:mad:

Wonder if MAA-BRU operation is going to continue??:mad:

Now this is truly disappointing. Will EWR survive, I wonder?

So, any guesses as to where these 332s could end up?

PS. I still very much miss BOM-PVG-SFO :(

Edited with correction from #19

Highly feasible. However, MAA-BRU-JFK are operated with 332...

Wonder how long will they keep MAA-BRU as load factors on this sector are bad..

Any one remembering SN load factors on MAA-BRU or DL MAA-CDG few years ago?? Looks like the same story for 9W!

MAA is going down hill on load/yield factors for all airlines asap thanks to EK putting in 18x weekly flights :eek::eek::eek:

Now this is truly disappointing. Will EWR survive, I wonder?


It should for the time being. not having any services to New York would be perhaps a total ego kill for 9w. Plus, I hope they will have enough loads for 1 flight at least. at JFK, there are multiple flights going out at similar times. Like the AA 767 operation is at a same time as 9w. Also, there is the new SN flight which we are all guessing may be a codeshare sometime.

The other factor which should play at EWR is the fact that 9w actually invested in infrastructure there (lounge). when the sh** hits the roof it wont stop them from canning it, however, for the time being it would hold i guess.

:DIt should for the time being. not having any services to New York would be perhaps a total ego kill for 9w. Plus, I hope they will have enough loads for 1 flight at least. at JFK, there are multiple flights going out at similar times. Like the AA 767 operation is at a same time as 9w. Also, there is the new SN flight which we are all guessing may be a codeshare sometime.

The other factor which should play at EWR is the fact that 9w actually invested in infrastructure there (lounge). when the sh** hits the roof it wont stop them from canning it, however, for the time being it would hold i guess.

Please help me understand what you are trying to say. I have hear both of the following and understand what they mean.

sh**it hits the fan
someone hits the roof,

I have never come across the expression you used.

:D

Please help me understand what you are trying to say. I have hear both of the following and understand what they mean.

sh**it hits the fan
someone hits the roof,

I have never come across the expression you used.

Well, I haven't come across the term sh**it either... ;)

Well, I haven't come across the term sh**it either... ;)

That's easily fixed by the reader using common sense. ;)
Heck I don't even know what he meant by sh**. I meant to type the word we are thinking, but then decided separate the b=fore and after parts of the word by ** so as to not be censored.

As per 03JUN12 GDS timetable and inventory display, Jet Airways starting 10SEP12 is cancelling 9W 225/9W 226 JFK-BRU service.:mad:

Wonder if MAA-BRU operation is going to continue??:mad:

BRU JFK is re-opened....with a twist. Only full-fare booking class is open (in Economy), discounted fares still Zero'd out.

BRU JFK is re-opened....with a twist. Only full-fare booking class is open (in Economy), discounted fares still Zero'd out.

What's going on then?

What's going on then?

Most likely they cancelled the flight "too early". Same thing happened with BOM BAH.

Highly feasible. However, MAA-BRU-JFK are operated with 332...

Wonder how long will they keep MAA-BRU as load factors on this sector are bad..

Any one remembering SN load factors on MAA-BRU or DL MAA-CDG few years ago?? Looks like the same story for 9W!

I thought loads on MAA - BRU (and then out to YYZ) were pretty good....??

Most likely they cancelled the flight "too early". Same thing happened with BOM BAH.

and the KWI, SHJ, and some other useless city that they flip-flopped with last week.

:D

Please help me understand what you are trying to say. I have hear both of the following and understand what they mean.

sh**it hits the fan
someone hits the roof,

I have never come across the expression you used.

Perhaps a ceiling fan :D?

Perhaps a ceiling fan :D?

^Good attempt. Except ceiling and roof mean different things. @:-)

9W has temporary re-opened reservation for JFK-BRU on/after 10SEP12. 9W briefly closed reservation over the weekend of 02JUN12.

Despite reservation being re-opened, 9W is only accepting reservations at full-fare price, as discounted fares remain closed.

From 10SEP12 to 30SEP12, selected Tuesdays and Saturdays service remains completely closed for reservation.

^Good attempt. Except ceiling and roof mean different things. @:-)

Picky picky...

Wait a minute... If the JetBabies were to be believed (not that most of us believed them) then Jet were doing spectacularly on the Kennedy route.

All those high and mighty UN and EC types would fly Jet and only Jet and pay thousands of Euros for the pleasure. And it was such a smashing success that Jet was the airline of choice for even Hungarians and Togolese people, who would pay more and go out of their way to fly XXX-BRU-JFK.

And Jet were going to do SN's chutty when they started New York (in much the same way they did AA / AC / DL / CO's chutty).

Idiots.

The JFK cancellation rumors have been on and off for a while. I understand this is contigent on some sort of alliance move in the pipeline where they will codeshare and feed to a european partner and focus more on the India-Europe flights.
EWR -BRU vv for now is stable and safe from what I know as is MAA-BRU vv actually has higher premium cabin loads than Delhi and is overall doing very well in terms of load factor and not as bad on the yield factor. Plus the competition isn't anywhere as strong.

EK operates 21 flights a week to MAA fyi (3 times daily) and not 18. Many of them on a 777 with lots of capacity.

Well don't know what to make of 9W zeroing out CMB-BOM flight from Aug 1-Aug 21 but then it slowly starts showing availability. I've already been rebooked once when they cancelled CMB-DEL non-stop and now wondering if same is happening to CMB-BOM flight.

Well don't know what to make of 9W zeroing out CMB-BOM flight from Aug 1-Aug 21 but then it slowly starts showing availability. I've already been rebooked once when they cancelled CMB-DEL non-stop and now wondering if same is happening to CMB-BOM flight.

Actually it's 01AUG12 to 06SEP12 from CMB that's being Zero'd out but selected days full fares are "available".

EK operates 21 flights a week to MAA fyi (3 times daily) and not 18. Many of them on a 777 with lots of capacity.

EK 543 & 545 are not daily from what I see, only 547 is...

EK 543 & 545 are not daily from what I see, only 547 is...

545 has been daily for ages now and 547 was first introduced as 4 times if a week IIRC, but has been daily for a while as well
see snapshot from amadeus as of now:


TNMAADXB/AEK
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** DXB DUBAI.AE 12JUN12 19JUN12
** KI KEMPINSKI MALL OF EMIRATES FREE WIFI FR AED799 ** 393 RMS/SUITES/SKI CHALETS** >HAKIDXBKEM
1 EK 543 6 MAA I DXB 3 0415 0645 0 05MAY12 27OCT12 773 4:00
2 EK 543 1345 MAA I DXB 3 0415 0645 0 26MAR12 26OCT12 332 4:00
3 EK 543 27 MAA I DXB 3 0415 0645 0 27MAY12 01JUL12 772 4:00
4 EK 545 16 MAA I DXB 3 0945 1215 0 09JUN12 30JUN12 77W 4:00
5 EK 545 3 MAA I DXB 3 0945 1215 0 30MAY12 24OCT12 772 4:00
6 EK 545 457 MAA I DXB 3 0945 1215 0 24MAY12 26OCT12 773 4:00
7 EK 545 2 MAA I DXB 3 0945 1215 0 01MAY12 23OCT12 332 4:00
8 EK 547 237 MAA I DXB 3 2145 0020+1 0 01MAY12 24OCT12 332 4:05
9 EK 547 1456 MAA I DXB 3 2145 0020+1 0 08JUN12 18JUN12 772 4:05
NO MORE FLIGHTS 12JUN12 TO 19JUN12

It looks like the JFK cancellation rumor is no longer a rumor:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Jet-Airways-to-withdraw-JFK-flights-from-September-10/articleshow/14151133.cms

Yep as of today official on Jetairways.com as well.
http://www.jetairways.com/EN/IN/PressReleases/BrusselsNewYorkPR.aspx

Also announced here: http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Airline-News/Jet-Airways-to-suspend-JFK-service/

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Jet cancels MAA-DXB
Jet cancels BOM-BAH*
Jet cancels HYD-DXB
Jet cancels TRV-DMM (or something)
Jet cancels BRU-JFK*
Jet cancels MAA-KUL
Jet cancels DEL-CMB

(* Oh, maybe we'll keep it. Maybe we won't. On fourth thought, dump it. On seventeenth thought, reinstate it. Maybe we're Singapore Airlines. Maybe we're Ryanair.).


Seriously, the only competition Jet seem able or willing to win is the one against themselves : Who can reach the bottom first? Jet Airways or Jet Airways?

Jet cancels BRU-JFK*

(* Oh, maybe we'll keep it. Maybe we won't. On fourth thought, dump it. On seventeenth thought, reinstate it. Maybe we're Singapore Airlines. Maybe we're Ryanair.)

Bye to Kennedy is officially official, from 10/09 : http://www.jetairways.com/EN/IN/PressReleases/BrusselsNewYorkPR.aspx

Anyone know what on earth this bit of JetSpeak means?

"Guests booked to travel to/from John F. Kennedy Airport (JFK) will be re-protected onto our services out of Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR)."

Bye to Kennedy is officially official, from 10/09 : http://www.jetairways.com/EN/IN/PressReleases/BrusselsNewYorkPR.aspx

Anyone know what on earth this bit of JetSpeak means?

"Guests booked to travel to/from John F. Kennedy Airport (JFK) will be re-protected onto our services out of Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR)."

Yeah, it just means that passengers will be rebooked onto EWR flights. Standard industry jargon... Perhaps a bit out of place in a press release, but reprotecting is exactly what they're doing.

Yeah, it just means that passengers will be rebooked onto EWR flights. Standard industry jargon... Perhaps a bit out of place in a press release, but reprotecting is exactly what they're doing.
However, are they already "re-protecting" or just "protecting"?

Now if a JFK pax got protected o the EWR flight which also got cancelled and then he had to be further moved to the YYZ flight or another carrier to NYC, that may possibly be re-protecting.... ;)

However, are they already "re-protecting" or just "protecting"?

Now if a JFK pax got protected o the EWR flight which also got cancelled and then he had to be further moved to the YYZ flight or another carrier to NYC, that may possibly be re-protecting.... ;)

The terms "protecting" and "reprotecting" can be used interchangeably AFAIK.

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However, are they already "re-protecting" or just "protecting"?

Now if a JFK pax got protected o the EWR flight which also got cancelled and then he had to be further moved to the YYZ flight or another carrier to NYC, that may possibly be re-protecting.... ;)

The terms "protecting" and "reprotecting" can be used interchangeably AFAIK.

Trying to make a distinction between protecting and re-protecing
is hardly poductive, and is nipickinh IMO. one can argue that when you have a confirmed ticket, implied protection against IRROPs is already in place. I agree, the distinction is arbitrary. Using "protect" is sufficient. No balue is added by using "reprotect".
I have an issue with using "guest" when referring to passengers.

Trying to make a distinction between protecting and re-protecing
is hardly poductive, and is nipickinh IMO. one can argue that when you have a confirmed ticket, implied protection against IRROPs is already in place. I agree, the distinction is arbitrary. Using "protect" is sufficient. No balue is added by using "reprotect". Indeed. But I honestly don't see the problem with adding 2 extra letters to the word considering that it makes no difference - the writer can write whatever they feel "more comfortable" with or whatever.

I have an issue with using "guest" when referring to passengers.

I find it annoying as well. Not sure what the relevance is to this topic? :confused:

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Trying to make a distinction between protecting and re-protecing
is hardly poductive, and is nipickinh IMO. one can argue that when you have a confirmed ticket, implied protection against IRROPs is already in place. I agree, the distinction is arbitrary. Using "protect" is sufficient. No balue is added by using "reprotect". Indeed. But I honestly don't see the problem with adding 2 extra letters to the word considering that it makes no difference - the writer can write whatever they feel "more comfortable" with or whatever.

I have an issue with using "guest" when referring to passengers.

I find it annoying as well. Not sure what the relevance is to this topic? :confused:

Guest vs passenger has more or less the same relevance as protecring vs reprotecting. :)

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A vast majority of cancelled routes serve SEA or MEA. Cancelling JFK reduces redundacy to NYC.
Ket is probably realligning its route structure in anticipation of joining an alliance.

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A vast majority of cancelled routes serve SEA or MEA. Cancelling JFK reduces redundacy to NYC.
Ket is probably realligning its route structure in anticipation of joining an alliance.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Jet-Airways-in-talks-with-Star-Alliance-SkyTeam/articleshow/14212498.cms
The news says that Jet is in talks with SkyTeam and Star Alliance. If what you're saying is right and they are restructuring their route network to align with future alliance partners, then it looks like they are leaning towards *A and not ST since they are keeping EWR and canning JFK.

What I don't understand is why they canceled flights to SEA/MEA. How is this related to joining an alliance?

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A vast majority of cancelled routes serve SEA or MEA. Cancelling JFK reduces redundacy to NYC.
Ket is probably realligning its route structure in anticipation of joining an alliance.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Jet-Airways-in-talks-with-Star-Alliance-SkyTeam/articleshow/14212498.cms
The news says that Jet is in talks with SkyTeam and Star Alliance. If what you're saying is right and they are restructuring their route network to align with future alliance partners, then it looks like they are leaning towards *A and not ST since they are keeping EWR and canning JFK.

What I don't understand is why they canceled flights to SEA/MEA. How is this related to joining an alliance?

*A does look more likely, at least in Jet's mind. Jet probably things it can more money dlying to Europe and NA. SEA and MEA passengers have shallower pockets tjam those flying to Europe and NA. You can join an aliance and still serve European Destinations such as London, Paris, Rome and Frankfurt on your own metal to retain the semblance of a full service carrier.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Jet-Airways-in-talks-with-Star-Alliance-SkyTeam/articleshow/14212498.cms
The news says that Jet is in talks with SkyTeam and Star Alliance. If what you're saying is right and they are restructuring their route network to align with future alliance partners, then it looks like they are leaning towards *A and not ST since they are keeping EWR and canning JFK.

What I don't understand is why they canceled flights to SEA/MEA. How is this related to joining an alliance?

I'm not sure I agree with that. Cancelling JFK is more likely to do with the new competition on the route than a conscious alignment with *A. EWR is the first destination of any Indian carrier in the US because the demand is highest there..

I'm not sure I agree with that. Cancelling JFK is more likely to do with the new competition on the route than a conscious alignment with *A. EWR is the first destination of any Indian carrier in the US because the demand is highest there..

You maybe right. We can't deny that 9W, and 9W flyers on this board prefer Star Alliance over SkyTeam.
Maybe Jet has realised that it can't go on playing coy, or else it would an old maid with little chance of survival and talking to both alliances is its last ditch effort to get the best terms.

Too bad that Jet has pulled out of the JNB route ......... looks like SAA might benefit with extra flights on this route!

Yeah, it just means that passengers will be rebooked onto EWR flights. Standard industry jargon... Perhaps a bit out of place in a press release, but reprotecting is exactly what they're doing.
Whatever it's meant to mean, such gobbledyjet has no business being in a general announcement.

But then that's typical Jet, with no clue of their target audience in any matter.


Too bad that Jet has pulled out of the JNB route ......... looks like SAA might benefit with extra flights on this route!

SAA went from four weekly to five to six in a matter of weeks from the time Jet said they were withdrawing.

This was supposed to be one of the many routes where Jet were going to crush the competition with their eyes closed.

Whatever it's meant to mean, such gobbledyjet has no business being in a general announcement.

But then that's typical Jet, with no clue of their target audience in any matter.
I find this incessant poking a little boring.
Criticism of the airline is sometimes as irrational as criticism of AI was at times.
Picking sides based on what one happens to fancy at a given time is, ........ well, I just can't think of a word.
Frequent remarks about Jets use of English is quite funny, especially when not too long ago, Jet using Airbus without referring to the type ( or was it variant) was cited as proof definite that it was not necessary to specify the type or the variant.
Since when has proper English been a criterion for quality of an airline?

I find this incessant poking a little boring.
Criticism of the airline is sometimes as irrational as criticism of AI was at times.
Picking sides based on what one happens to fancy at a given time is, ........ well, I just can't think of a word.
Frequent remarks about Jets use of English is quite funny, especially when not too long ago, Jet using Airbus without referring to the type ( or was it variant) was cited as proof definite that it was not necessary to specify the type or the variant.
Since when has proper English been a criterion for quality of an airline?

Thank you Yaatri. It would be nice to have a serious conversation about things for once.