tlvbased
May 22, 12, 3:30 am
http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/AllAboutYourFlight/BeforeYourFlight/En_Economy_Plus_210512.html
EL AL Matmid - LY Premium Economy ArrivedView Full Version : LY Premium Economy Arrived tlvbased May 22, 12, 3:30 am http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/AllAboutYourFlight/BeforeYourFlight/En_Economy_Plus_210512.html Houminer May 22, 12, 4:20 am The hebrew site still has nothing... It's not clear if all 747's allready have this service.. tlvbased May 22, 12, 4:28 am The hebrew site still has nothing... It's not clear if all 747's allready have this service.. http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/Hebrew/AllAboutYourFlight/BeforeYourFlight/He_Economy_Plus_210512.html Houminer May 22, 12, 5:25 am "The Class is available on the 747-400 fleet as of July 1, 2012." on the fleet, but it might not be in all the fleet. simba8 May 22, 12, 10:37 am Just read the faq. In principle it seems like a nice idea, but waiting 24 hours to find out if you made the list or not doesnt really get me excited. The offer to upgrade should be made at the the time of booking and confirmed as well. Just like other airlines. They also offer a foot stool with this service..for what? So my that my knees to can meet my face? Its getting to be abit much with all the different seat offers.. Economy Class Plus Premium Class seating service (at check-in) EL AL Upgrade (online bid) Preferred Seat Can they not just streamline the offerings and simplify the process? may_east May 22, 12, 12:23 pm i am trying to figure out which 747 flights in july have this, but cannot . looking at the seat maps, they look the same as before. i presume that if there are 5-8 rows of economy+, then at least one row should be removed from the cabin.. any idea ? Houminer May 22, 12, 3:36 pm i am trying to figure out which 747 flights in july have this, but cannot . looking at the seat maps, they look the same as before. i presume that if there are 5-8 rows of economy+, then at least one row should be removed from the cabin.. any idea ? Maybe it's just flights on the ELH? may_east May 22, 12, 11:14 pm Maybe it's just flights on the ELH? according to the article in Yedioth today, the added space will not be at the expense of removing rows, but on the expense of storage places. i cant see how they can have the exonomy+ and a curtain in the current configuration of the 747 or even 777 without moving somthine (except for the nose part of the ELH) Houminer May 23, 12, 12:39 am The avation forum in tapuz "פורום חובבי תעופה" has alot of information but in hebrew... ly787 May 23, 12, 2:32 am Its unbelievable how EL AL once again, makes a new product which is at the bottom of the comfort level. Only 36' pitch! same seat as in economy but with "new padding", amenity kit and business class blanket. Economy Class service. BIG DEAL!!! They've only done it because they received so many complaints from their Frequent and full Y paying customers. Very disappointing product!!!! Didnt they claim to hire an ex AIRNZ designer to design the new product?? What did he design? the foot rest? LatusElAl May 23, 12, 6:46 am The avation forum in tapuz "פורום חובבי תעופה" has alot of information but in hebrew... Can you post the link to that forum? Thanks Houminer May 23, 12, 6:58 am http://www.tapuz.co.il/forums2008/forumpage.aspx?forumid=1151 LatusElAl May 23, 12, 12:30 pm I cannot believe this guy is the CEO of an international company. http://youtu.be/qhemmWmFQ9M LY777 May 23, 12, 1:30 pm I cannot believe this guy is the CEO of an international company. http://youtu.be/qhemmWmFQ9M They could have at least painted the a/c with FULL COLOURS! ELAL May 23, 12, 4:47 pm They could have at least painted the a/c with FULL COLOURS! Which aircraft is it ELE or ELH? tolmar May 23, 12, 7:06 pm ELAL is an experiment on how fast you can ruin in 10 years. unfortunately ELAL will always be salvaged by the Israeli government, so no CEO really cares about the performance of the company. The company knows that Israeli passengers would love 2 bags of baggage, and had the opportunity to differentiate itself from other airlines - it didn't. Also as commented on the Tapuz forum - the benefits of the new class are ridiculous. clubman May 24, 12, 12:15 am unfortunately ELAL will always be salvaged by the Israeli governmentVery true and very unfortunate. The company knows that Israeli passengers would love 2 bags of baggage, and had the opportunity to differentiate itself from other airlines I wouldn't say differentiate itself because Premium Economy isn't a new product, but if they already decided to offer it, they should have made sure it was in line with the competition (38" legroom, better seats, extra luggage allowance, better meal, are just some of the examples that the likes of BA and others are offering). mikebg May 24, 12, 1:21 am ... but if they already decided to offer it, they should have made sure it was in line with the competition (38" legroom, better seats, extra luggage allowance, better meal, are just some of the examples that the likes of BA and others are offering). ... but the competition charge considerably more than EL AL are charging for the difference between economy and premium economy, and don't give it free to premium members as a matter of course as EL AL have announced they will be doing. clubman May 24, 12, 1:30 am True. I guess if we look at it as a bit of a bonus for LY's premium Matmid members then it's an ok offering, but I would probably still prefer an exit seat. awayIgo May 24, 12, 6:56 am Inasmuch as they are giving it free to premium members and those on M tickets--I don't see it being readily available for the general public. BTW it is not just Israelis who would like 2 pieces of luggage --ALL travelers would. AS a lowly Silver who flies business my luggage allotment was cut to 2 bags of 70lbs each. NOw mind you, I never traveled with more than 140 lbs BUT it was distributed over 3 bags so I could actually carry them. I do not look forward to shelpping 70lb suitcases on and off a luggage conveyor belt. joshwex90 May 24, 12, 12:49 pm On Facebook, LY asked "In honor of launching Economy Class Plus, what is the most outrageous excuse you’ve heard someone use to get a better seat?" My response (on Facebook): Someone had the nerve to say "I paid $4500 for this seat, I expect it to be lie-flat like the ones on LY's competitors, such as UA, DL, US, and BA who also charge $1,000 less." tolmar May 24, 12, 12:58 pm What I've meant is that of course all passengers would like more baggage allowance, but Israeli families are really going for the max regarding shopping abroad. Anyway I personally would prefer any other airline on ELAL, and I really don't see the difference between the regular economy and the new one. Too late, Too Little. entropy May 24, 12, 7:38 pm My response (on Facebook): Someone had the nerve to say "I paid $4500 for this seat, I expect it to be lie-flat like the ones on LY's competitors, such as UA, DL, US, and BA who also charge $1,000 less." LOL clubman May 25, 12, 12:04 am ... but the competition charge considerably more than EL AL are charging for the difference between economy and premium economy, and don't give it free to premium members as a matter of course as EL AL have announced they will be doing. The more I think about it the more it all sounds like one big typical Israeli style "combina"... Unless you're a premium member, you book Premium Economy but that doesn't mean you actually will end up sitting there because you have to wait and see if you have "won" the right to do so a day before your flight... It's a bit of a joke to be honest, so while the competition might charge a higher premium for it, they also offer a better product which is a proper separate class of service (which is why they don't just offer it free for their top customers) and if you book it then you're gurenteed it, simple. joshwex90 May 25, 12, 1:14 am ... but the competition charge considerably more than EL AL are charging for the difference between economy and premium economy, and don't give it free to premium members as a matter of course as EL AL have announced they will be doing. Incorrect. There's a big difference between "Premium Economy" (which is the European model, such as BA, VS, AF, and QF,) and "Economy Plus" (which is the American model, such as UA, DL, AA, and B6). LY is using the American model. Take UA, for example. All Economy Plus is is a few inches extra of seat pitch. The seat is the exact same. Even recline is the exact same. And Golds and higher can select it free of charge, and at T-24, Silvers can too. (Silvers used to be able to select it free of charge until this past March.) For others, it's a fee, that's around $100 for TLV-EWR. And it's similar on the other American airlines I mentioned. The more I think about it the more it all sounds like one big typical Israeli style "combina"... Unless you're a premium member, you book Premium Economy but that doesn't mean you actually will end up sitting there because you have to wait and see if you have "won" the right to do so a day before your flight... It's a bit of a joke to be honest, so while the competition might charge a higher premium for it, they also offer a better product which is a proper separate class of service (which is why they don't just offer it free for their top customers) and if you book it then you're guaranteed it, simple. I don't know why everything with LY has to be a "wait till the last minute." The same with the upgrade and Preferred Seats. Just let me buy it and know that it's mine. It's like a child runs the airline. Except it's cute when a child does this... p.s. fixed your spelling error :p mikebg May 25, 12, 2:47 am The same with the upgrade ... Just let me buy it and know that it's mine. You can do that with EL AL. Book in advance in an upgradable class and add some points and ... voila! clubman May 25, 12, 3:43 am p.s. fixed your spelling error :p Thanks, that would be typos not spelling mistakes... ;) may_east Jun 5, 12, 11:28 pm talked to an ElAl rep yesterday about my seats on a 747 flight to NYC. the front 5 rows 21-25 are economy plus seats. i didnt ask if this includes the middle seats at row 25 as those are supposed to be with a bassinet option. because of this change, they moved the people who were seated there a couple of rows back. seat 21A which was a premium seat, but not chargeble because of the door slide that restricts a bit the leg room, is now economy plus so 150$ instead of ZERO before that. i think that economy rows 23/24 are very bad ones as they are right next to the kitchen. which means constant noise, and light. what i dont understand is - this kitchen is supposed to serve all the front economy cabin... and now they are going to have a curtain between the economy plus and regular economy... this means that Israelis despite the curtain will continue to walk back and forth into the kitchen no matter there is a curtain. may_east Jun 14, 12, 2:19 am does anyone know if the footrest is moveable ? i like to streach my foot all the way, and from the pics it seems that the footrest can block . simba8 Jun 14, 12, 10:38 am does anyone know if the footrest is moveable ? i like to streach my foot all the way, and from the pics it seems that the footrest can block . You can move it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhemmWmFQ9M truequant Jul 24, 12, 8:13 am talked to an ElAl rep yesterday about my seats on a 747 flight to NYC. the front 5 rows 21-25 are economy plus seats. i didnt ask if this includes the middle seats at row 25 as those are supposed to be with a bassinet option. because of this change, they moved the people who were seated there a couple of rows back. seat 21A which was a premium seat, but not chargeble because of the door slide that restricts a bit the leg room, is now economy plus so 150$ instead of ZERO before that. i think that economy rows 23/24 are very bad ones as they are right next to the kitchen. which means constant noise, and light. what i dont understand is - this kitchen is supposed to serve all the front economy cabin... and now they are going to have a curtain between the economy plus and regular economy... this means that Israelis despite the curtain will continue to walk back and forth into the kitchen no matter there is a curtain. has anyone here been in economy plus?? i have 21C so i am happy but i was wondering if anyone here has sat in 22-25. is it really better than 45?????????? LatusElAl Jul 24, 12, 3:13 pm The seat is a bit better than standard economy. It indeed lies further back and there is more legroom. Row 21 has benn moved a bit back so that 21a and k are no longer obstructed. Row 25 middle is still a bassinet. You can and likely will get a screaming baby along with your $150 seat. 22 23 and 24 are disasters, notwithstanding, because of the galley. I have yet to see the economy plus curtain actually be unraveled. It just sits there wrapped up. If they actually opened it, it would still be irrelevant as it only covers the aisle itself. may_east Jul 25, 12, 9:07 am The seat is a bit better than standard economy. It indeed lies further back and there is more legroom. Row 21 has benn moved a bit back so that 21a and k are no longer obstructed. Row 25 middle is still a bassinet. You can and likely will get a screaming baby along with your $150 seat. 22 23 and 24 are disasters, notwithstanding, because of the galley. I have yet to see the economy plus curtain actually be unraveled. It just sits there wrapped up. If they actually opened it, it would still be irrelevant as it only covers the aisle itself. row 25 middle is not a bassinet anymore, according to elal. 2 seats are available for pre-purchase/order for eligable pax (gl/pl/tpl, y/s/m). the other 2 are kept for checkin. if someone with a baby wants these seats, they have to pay 150$ each and i dont understand: they moved 21 back a bit. added some more room between the rows, and all of this without removing any row from the cabin. i wonder how they managed to do this... bostonbali Aug 28, 12, 7:58 am Looks like there is a different configuration of the 747, where the Economy+ cabin is in the nose of the plane, where FC used to be. I'm booked on LY81 (TLV-BKK) on Oct 17th. E+ is rows 6-13. Looks like the best row to get (with endless legroom) is row 6 (one side is pre-blocked, the other side is taken). Does anybody know what the legroom situation is like in row 12 (row of 2 in the middle)? Strange configuration. I guess this means there is no chace of getting seated in business class seats with economy service, since the entire lower deck will be economy! LatusElAl Aug 28, 12, 8:05 am Looks like there is a different configuration of the 747, where the Economy+ cabin is in the nose of the plane, where FC used to be. I'm booked on LY81 (TLV-BKK) on Oct 17th. E+ is rows 6-13. Looks like the best row to get (with endless legroom) is row 6 (one side is pre-blocked, the other side is taken). Does anybody know what the legroom situation is like in row 12 (row of 2 in the middle)? Strange configuration. I guess this means there is no chace of getting seated in business class seats with economy service, since the entire lower deck will be economy! This is ELH. Main Deck was always all economy. They just changed the nose section to PE. simba8 Aug 28, 12, 9:19 am Does anybody know what the legroom situation is like in row 12 (row of 2 in the middle)? Strange configuration. The area in the nose is great...i just like how its closed off from the rest of plane and there is room to stretch and walk around. (I have pics I think somewhere, if you want to see) I sat in those 2 middle rows, and its good. The seats where there is nothing in front of them seem to be the best.You have a screen that slides up from the side and a table that also slides up from the side. LY777 Aug 28, 12, 10:02 am The area in the nose is great...i just like how its closed off from the rest of plane and there is room to stretch and walk around. (I have pics I think somewhere, if you want to see) I sat in those 2 middle rows, and its good. The seats where there is nothing in front of them seem to be the best.You have a screen that slides up from the side and a table that also slides up from the side. I would love to see those pics :) joshwex90 Aug 28, 12, 8:25 pm Who has been on ELH both before and after PE was introduced? What actual changes did they make? simba8 Aug 28, 12, 10:50 pm I would love to see those pics :) no comments on quality, please. http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p557/simba811/1f642ce7.jpg http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p557/simba811/7f9a67f5.jpg http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p557/simba811/18ee6866.jpg I was sitting in the back row..the lady sitting there (next to my seat with the hoodie and ear phones) happened to also be on my return flight as I bumped into her at the BG Airport. http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p557/simba811/053d1556.jpg http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p557/simba811/b7e3fa87.jpg Those 2 seats in front of my own are probably the best. http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p557/simba811/10c151ce.jpg The area slightly ahead to my right was completely empty. The FA seats fold out by the emerg exit (which is on the right hand side of the screen), and then its just more empty space. It was a nice little corner to walk about in and stretch. bostonbali Aug 29, 12, 1:35 am Great pics - thanks, those are helpful! Also, for others who want to see the amount of legroom in row #12, you can see it in this commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oREr9ohYhM) (0:35-0:45). LY777 Aug 29, 12, 5:30 am thanks for the pics, simba! simba8 Aug 29, 12, 8:42 am Great pics - thanks, those are helpful! Also, for others who want to see the amount of legroom in row #12, you can see it in this commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oREr9ohYhM) (0:35-0:45). Nice find...took a screen grab for the thread... http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p557/simba811/b25ffd05.jpg thanks for the pics, simba! Glad they werent for nothing,,^ seasidemama Sep 5, 12, 3:47 am Nice find...took a screen grab for the thread... http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p557/simba811/b25ffd05.jpg am I the only one who found it laughable that they're promoting the 2 seats w/no seats in front... I wonder who gets these since you can't assign your own :p LY777 Sep 5, 12, 4:06 am Does ELH have AVOD in Y? ( I know it has AVOD in C) ELY001 Dec 27, 12, 9:31 am I cannot believe this guy is the CEO of an international company. http://youtu.be/qhemmWmFQ9M Latus, I've been a long time reader of the posts on this board and only recently started posting myself. I saw the above link and this thread about a week before my meeting with Danny Saadon at the end of May in New York. During our meeting, which lasted well over 1 hour, I showed him the above interview. After seeing it, Saadon tried to explain to me that Shkedy's english is actually very good and that he just couldn't find the right words during that interview. When I then said I know others inside the company who told me his English is really that bad, Saadon changed the subject. What was funnier than Saadon's reaction to the above Shkedy interview was that he had no idea what Flyertalk was. I explained to him what goes on in this forum and told him that he and other top executives at LY should read the posts here at least occasionally. The fact that Saadon and other top managers at LY did not even know of the existence of this type of forum that discusses their company and their product just goes to show how out of touch they are. LatusElAl Dec 27, 12, 1:04 pm ELY001: I couldn't agree with you more. |