oneworld - Merged - Malaysian Airlines entry into oneworld

Supposed to be Q4 but does anyone have a date?

Thx

No date yet. If everything goes well then you should expect a date on Q3 news letter. Possible in october we should know the indefinite date. Again ideally i think they would push for 1st October as current Malaysia Airlines was officially become today's form on 1st October 1972...It seems 1st october 2012 would be the ideal date to announce fully integrate of oneworld alliance. But i think there might be too many things to be established before the final join date to be confirmed.

Agree that October would be a nice date, coinciding with the 40th anniversary. However, in one of the speeches given during the AB ceremony, December 2012 was mentioned.

The biggest challenge when joining an alliance is usually IT ... which is not the strongest part of MH, I'm afraid. So I guess December is more realistic.

oneworld tends to announce the join date of new members about 6 weeks ahead.

Taking of on MH004 this morning from KUL - The Captain welcomed us on a BMI code share - I was wondering if it was worth considering to see if we can claim BMI points to end up with lots of Avios - Any words of advise gratefully received.

Taking of on MH004 this morning from KUL - The Captain welcomed us on a BMI code share - I was wondering if it was worth considering to see if we can claim BMI points to end up with lots of Avios - Any words of advise gratefully received.

I am pretty sure that for BMI, you do not earn miles on codeshares, unless the operating carrier is a partner (such as *A or Virgin, Qatar, Transvia, etc). MH is unfortunetly not a BMI partner.

You won't get points even if you had bought your ticket under the BD flight number operated by any non-*A airline. So honestly I don't know what all this 'code-sharing' stuff is all about !

All Malaysia Airlines's airline partners are still those SkyTeam partners in which MH intended to join. Current the partners include:

Air France
KLM
Alitalia
Delta
Virgin Atlantic
Etihad
Jetairways

and oneworld member elect Sri Lankan...

I wonder when the first miles earning and redemption agreement would be signed...But for an airline to join oneworld in near future, the pace is so slowwwwwww. You would imagine that some sort of FFP agreement would be signed by now.

It's not just FFP agreement... a relative of mine works in MH and says there are the inter-lining economics to work out, systems harmonization, upgrading of aircraft, etc.

And yes the process has been delayed much to passengers' chagrin...

I am waiting they joining oneworld. I just called to JAL , they said the codeshare flights are only available for Malaysia domestic flights . It's really slow !!!!

I am waiting they joining oneworld. I just called to JAL , they said the codeshare flights are only available for Malaysia domestic flights . It's really slow !!!!

They are slated to join ow on Q1 2013.

I wonder when the first miles earning and redemption agreement would be signed...But for an airline to join oneworld in near future, the pace is so slowwwwwww. You would imagine that some sort of FFP agreement would be signed by now.

It is normal for the joining process to be about 12-18 months. Since MH previously does not have many bilateral relationships with OW members, the joining process should err on the long side. Since MH only announced to join in June, 2011, it is normal for the process not to complete until the end of this year, which is what is indicated on OW's website (http://www.oneworld.com/member-airlines/members-elect/)

It is normal for the joining process to be about 12-18 months. Since MH previously does not have many bilateral relationships with OW members, the joining process should err on the long side. Since MH only announced to join in June, 2011, it is normal for the process not to complete until the end of this year, which is what is indicated on OW's website (http://www.oneworld.com/member-airlines/members-elect/)

Sure we know that. That is why I am asking now as it is 14 months since anouncement but no one from oneworld alliance member airlines could earn or redeem any miles on Malaysia yet. Frustration. Normally you would expect at least one airline among the alliance would have the FFP agreement with member elect already after one year of announcement. For example, Kingfisher had agreement with BA, CX, AA etc after announcement. JAL signed up with CX during joining process.

Sure we know that. That is why I am asking now as it is 14 months since anouncement but no one from oneworld alliance member airlines could earn or redeem any miles on Malaysia yet. Frustration. Normally you would expect at least one airline among the alliance would have the FFP agreement with member elect already after one year of announcement. For example, Kingfisher had agreement with BA, CX, AA etc after announcement. JAL signed up with CX during joining process.MH has made a number of agreements with Oneworld members (eg, new codeshares with JL and CX) and pulled out of a number of agreements with member competitors (eg, dropping agreement with DJ/VA). Connecting FFPs would be one of the more complex agreements to get sorted out.

JAL signed up with CX during joining process.

JAL has had FFP agreement since AM was formed (in 1999).

MH has made a number of agreements with Oneworld members (eg, new codeshares with JL and CX) and pulled out of a number of agreements with member competitors (eg, dropping agreement with DJ/VA).

The code-share between CX and MH is not new and has been there for a long time.

Once MH is part of OW can we expect check in facilities at Sentral Station to be extended to all OW members? eg RJ

Once MH is part of OW can we expect check in facilities at Sentral Station to be extended to all OW members? eg RJ

I do not know. But i would doubt it. It is really up to individual airlines whether they consider it viable or not.

Once MH is part of OW can we expect check in facilities at Sentral Station to be extended to all OW members? eg RJ

Remember that OneWorld is a marketing alliance, not an operational one. OneWorld has no unified baggage policies, and it's therefore extremely unlikely that a in-town terminal check-in desk would be able to manage the huge diversities of individual airline policies.

is it still possible to earn Delta miles on Malaysia Airlines?

Malaysia Air's site shows you can still earn Malaysia Air miles on Delta. Can you still also earn Delta miles on Malaysia Air? There's no mention of it on Delta's web site

is it still possible to earn Delta miles on Malaysia Airlines?

Malaysia Air's site shows you can still earn Malaysia Air miles on Delta. Can you still also earn Delta miles on Malaysia Air? There's no mention of it on Delta's web site

Then I guess not.

is it still possible to earn Delta miles on Malaysia Airlines?

Malaysia Air's site shows you can still earn Malaysia Air miles on Delta. Can you still also earn Delta miles on Malaysia Air? There's no mention of it on Delta's web site

Right now you still can, but it can change anytime. http://skymilesoffers.delta.com/airline_partners.php#MA

Sure we know that. That is why I am asking now as it is 14 months since anouncement but no one from oneworld alliance member airlines could earn or redeem any miles on Malaysia yet. Frustration. Normally you would expect at least one airline among the alliance would have the FFP agreement with member elect already after one year of announcement. For example, Kingfisher had agreement with BA, CX, AA etc after announcement. JAL signed up with CX during joining process.

Seriously, it's hard to believe that no OW partners (to my knowledge) have any agreements to redeem for flights on MH. I've got BA miles burning a hole in my pocket. A watched pot never boils, I guess.

Thought I would share this response from Malaysia Airlines:

Dear TMT,

Thank you for your email which we received on the 26th of July 2012. Please accept our humble apologies for this delayed response and thank you for your patience. Thank you for expressing interest in our integration with the oneworld alliance. Please allow us to explain that while we hope to officially be part of oneworld in December 2012, there is much work to be done. The preparation for our integration with oneworld began in August 2011 and had involved every division in Malaysia Airlines with approximately 100 over staff across the organization. There are 11 members at the moment in oneworld and with us it will become 12. The opportunity to join this alliance is a huge honour for Malaysia Airlines and we are proud and excited about our integration into this alliance.

We are truly sorry and understand your unhappiness over the time it is taken for the integration to be complete. While we would most certainly like to speed things up, we must explain that to be a part of oneworld, we need to fulfill the prerequisites and requirements of the alliance Delivery Requirement Document. This in turn means that there are a lot of things that need changes, adjustments, re-alignments and consolidations of policies. We can assure you that we are indeed steadily progressing towards the finalization of our integration and hope that you will continue supporting us through this period.

Thank you once again and we look forward to welcoming onboard Malaysia Airlines very soon.

Kind Regards,

[X]
Customer Care
Malaysia Airlines

Let's see if I can use Avios for a KUL-BKK in J in January or February :)
I wonder if as an OWE I can also use the Platinum lounge in KUL...

I hope MH joins oneworld by Dec 2012 :)

I hope MH joins oneworld by Dec 2012 :)

Anticepate delays. Many offcial documents now add 2013 behind late 2012. So I would expect the earliest february 2013.

Let's see if I can use Avios for a KUL-BKK in J in January or February :)
I wonder if as an OWE I can also use the Platinum lounge in KUL...

You could do it on RJ already...lol

sorry....

Finally MH revealed on 7 December 2011 to going oneworld.. see here http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/corporate-info/press-room/latest/malaysia-airlines-celebrates-40-years-of-world-renowned-malaysian-hospitality.html

Erm... No. 7 December 2011 was so last year;)
From the page you linkedMalaysia Airlines formal alliance membership of oneworld will be completed soon and the national carrier will start flying as part of the alliance by the turn of the year
and The membership will be among the significant catalysts that will complement the airline’s efforts to win back customers and become a profitable preferred premium carrier as outlined in its Business Plan revealed on 7 December 2011

There are speculations that MH will now NOT join OW.

There were alot of hopes of a MH-QF tie-up to codeshare on MH's European services until QF teamed up with EK for the 10 year partnership agreement.

That has left MH standing out in the cold clueless on what to do next. And to complicate matters, QF was the sponsoring airline to MH's entry into OW.

Time will tell on how the OW alliance evolves from here on.

For now, I cannot wait to hear the outcome from the press announcement on Monday.

I'm combining this with the existing thread regarding MH joining the alliance.

Gardyloo
Oneworld moderator

There are speculations that MH will now NOT join OW.

There were alot of hopes of a MH-QF tie-up to codeshare on MH's European services until QF teamed up with EK for the 10 year partnership agreement.

That has left MH standing out in the cold clueless on what to do next. And to complicate matters, QF was the sponsoring airline to MH's entry into OW.

Time will tell on how the OW alliance evolves from here on.

For now, I cannot wait to hear the outcome from the press announcement on Monday.

Any sources to back this up? It would be very odd of MH to back out this late into the integration process.

Besides, IMO there's plenty of possible partnership opportunities between MH & QF, even with the EK deal:
- QF codeshares on Intra-Malaysia & SEA routes
- MH codeshares on some QF domestic & NZ routes + SYD-SCL to replace their discontinued EZE route
- Maybe even a JV/JSA type agreement between Aus-KUL if the current situation with MH Aus-KUL routes happen to be bad (MH pulling A380s out of SYD/MEL might be an indication of this)

Not to mention other OW carriers that could benefit from MH's network.

Let's see if I can use Avios for a KUL-BKK in J in January or February :)


The best part is to redeem your avios points to fly MH A380 in first class from LHR to KUL and vv ;)

Anticepate delays. Many offcial documents now add 2013 behind late 2012. So I would expect the earliest february 2013.

Yes, Q1 2013 looks more likely per these earlier news items which may already have been referencfed in prior posts:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/mas-to-join-oneworld-in-early-2013
http://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-airlines-changes-bag-rules-set-to-join-oneworld-in-q4

It would be good for QF to funnel traffic to KUL and MH for SE Asia and India.

It may be good for QF, but I suspect their dilemma is the substantial amount of premium fares on SYD/MEL-SIN (particularly finance, legal, transport industries) which i can't imagine they would want to hand over to SQ.

KUL will be better for oneworld connections, but give up a lot of premium business.

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I also note that Kuala Lumpur hub and MH was mentioned in the Qatar release.

There are speculations that MH will now NOT join OW.

There were alot of hopes of a MH-QF tie-up to codeshare on MH's European services until QF teamed up with EK for the 10 year partnership agreement.

That has left MH standing out in the cold clueless on what to do next. And to complicate matters, QF was the sponsoring airline to MH's entry into OW.

Time will tell on how the OW alliance evolves from here on.

For now, I cannot wait to hear the outcome from the press announcement on Monday.

Any sources to back this up? It would be very odd of MH to back out this late into the integration process.

Besides, IMO there's plenty of possible partnership opportunities between MH & QF, even with the EK deal:
- QF codeshares on Intra-Malaysia & SEA routes
- MH codeshares on some QF domestic & NZ routes + SYD-SCL to replace their discontinued EZE route
- Maybe even a JV/JSA type agreement between Aus-KUL if the current situation with MH Aus-KUL routes happen to be bad (MH pulling A380s out of SYD/MEL might be an indication of this)

Not to mention other OW carriers that could benefit from MH's network.

Even with a potential BA/QR JSA they still would benefit from MH since QR only two Australian Destinations.

Hi all,

In the latest discussion from Business Traveler, dated 8/10/12, MH is set to officially join OW on the week of Dec 10. Not much is said in the discussion but only on the date given.

You can read it here (http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Malaysia-to-join-Oneworld-in-November) :D

Note the Dec-10 comment is just from a poster (who has only made 16 posts on BT) it is not an editorial comment, so YMMV

Ya I thought of that too but at least it's some "form" of indication that it's right on track for end 2012.

I predict February 2013. So, I'm hereby canceling the post on Business Traveler.

In the latest discussion from Business Traveler, dated 8/10/12, MH is set to officially join OW on the week of Dec 10. Not much is said in the discussion but only on the date given.

An anonymous comment from a relatively unknown poster who offers nothing to back it up but a sly "We've been told" or similar? Nah, I don't rate that.

I could go onto BT under a different name, post a message along the same lines on almost any topic – "I'm told Qantas is doing such-and-such", "We've been informed that BA will next week announce blah" – but that wouldn't make it credible.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-airlines-to-join-oneworld-in-december?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

According to ausbt, MH will be joining OW by the end of the year - if this is true, good to hear!

oneworld.com seems to have an update on member elect page stating that MH will join in the turn of this year (2012). this indicates any time between 15th December to 15th January. Unless you guys have different interpretation about the meaning of TURN...

Malaysia Airlines was confirmed as a oneworld member elect in June 2011 and is expected to become a full member of the alliance at around the turn of the year (2012/2013).

oneworld.com seems to have an update on member elect page stating that MH will join in the turn of this year (2012). this indicates any time between 15th December to 15th January. Unless you guys have different interpretation about the meaning of TURN...
Which calender? They could mean Lunar new year.:p

oneworld.com seems to have an update on member elect page stating that MH will join in the turn of this year (2012). this indicates any time between 15th December to 15th January. Unless you guys have different interpretation about the meaning of TURN...

There is no official definition of "turn". You're jumping to conclusions by ascribing dates to it.

There is no official definition of "turn". You're jumping to conclusions by ascribing dates to it.

Nothing wrong with that IMO. And that is why I also add after the date that what is your oponion about the turn. I do not think i should be blamed for state my interpretation.

Which calender? They could mean Lunar new year.:p

I don't think one should apply BCE/CE (BC/AD) system to Chinese Lunar Calendar in the first place, although I know some do.

Nothing wrong with that IMO. And that is why I also add after the date that what is your oponion about the turn. I do not think i should be blamed for state my interpretation.

My "interpretation" is that no one should be trying to parse the meaning of "turn." It's a silly exercise.

If any of you do visit airliners.net there's a post in there (which I think is quite credible) that states "from the source inside MH, the joining date will be on 12.12.12 and making it the 12th OW member." So if at all it holds true, then in less than 8 weeks we will be able to start using OW status on MH.

If any of you do visit airliners.net there's a post in there (which I think is quite credible) that states "from the source inside MH, the joining date will be on 12.12.12 and making it the 12th OW member." So if at all it holds true, then in less than 8 weeks we will be able to start using OW status on MH.

Reminds me of when the 10th member joined in 2010 (which airline was that? MX?)

To celebrate Oneworld discounted Explorer fares by 10% for 10 weeks
So, I wonder....:D

Reminds me of when the 10th member joined in 2010 (which airline was that? MX?)

To celebrate Oneworld discounted Explorer fares by 10% for 10 weeks
So, I wonder....:D

IIRC, the discount was for 10th anniversary for oneworld alliance, not some 10th member of the alliance.

IIRC, the discount was for 10th anniversary for oneworld alliance, not some 10th member of the alliance.

Ah yes, I believe you are right

IIRC, the discount was for 10th anniversary for oneworld alliance, not some 10th member of the alliance.
They also did that discount twice that year... 10 weeks from Feb 3 09 and another 10 weeks from 26 Aug 09. MX joined in November.

I am planning a trip for March 2013. I assume it would be safe to use MH flights with the belief that by then they will be available under the OneWorld RTW fare.

I am planning a trip for March 2013. I assume it would be safe to use MH flights with the belief that by then they will be available under the OneWorld RTW fare.

I would think that you would have to wait until they finalize joining OW before you could book their flights on a RTW fare.

Well, at least the booking classes on MH flight is more or less alighed to majority of oneworld member using Amadeus recently.

Interestingly, for the last few months Malaysia Airlines appears in the Partner Airlines dropdown list on qantas.com.au when you go to book a QF ticket and insert a partner FF number.
Uninterestingly, its not listed as a partner airline for earning or redeeming flights with QFF.

They must be silent partners

Interestingly, for the last few months Malaysia Airlines appears in the Partner Airlines dropdown list on qantas.com.au when you go to book a QF ticket and insert a partner FF number.
Uninterestingly, its not listed as a partner airline for earning or redeeming flights with QFF.

They must be silent partners

Interesting...right now it shows MH accepts QFF but not the other way around on Abacus / Sabre. Maybe they will soon make an announcement.


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FQTV PARTICIPATING AIRLINE EXCHANGE/PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS
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USE. FF OC FF NUMBER / RC -N.N TO TRANSMIT FLIGHT INFO
OC-OWNING RC-RECEIVING
CARRIER CARRIER

/*/ SEGMENT SPECIFIC ALLOWED

QF-081 QANTAS AIRWAYS
ACCEPTS FF ACCOUNT NUMBERS IN THE PROGRAMS LISTED
AA AB AS AY AZ BA CC CX* EG* EI FJ IB JL
KA* LA LY MA MU MX NF PH PX QF RJ SA* S7*
TL XR 9W*

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FQTV PARTICIPATING AIRLINE EXCHANGE/PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS
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USE. FF OC FF NUMBER / RC -N.N TO TRANSMIT FLIGHT INFO
OC-OWNING RC-RECEIVING
CARRIER CARRIER

/*/ SEGMENT SPECIFIC ALLOWED

MH-232 MALAYSIA AIRLINES
ACCEPTS FF ACCOUNT NUMBERS IN THE PROGRAMS LISTED
AF AZ DJ DL EY KL MH* QF* UL* VS 9W*

From this forum (http://www.malaysianwings.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=16183&st=320#entry314815), it seems like MH passed the Go/No Go OW assessment and they are expected to become a full member December 2012.

Anybody got an update of current likely date?

No formal announcement yet...

Some rumours of a w/c 10-Dec, maybe 12.12.12, which we are now seven weeks out from (note post #3)

Perhaps merge with this (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/oneworld/1379041-malaysia-arlines-so-slow-joining-ow-process.html) thread?

Hi
I have a medium haul upcoming trip in Dec in MH. Will i be able to accrue points on Qantas?

Hi
I have a medium haul upcoming trip in Dec in MH. Will i be able to accrue points on Qantas?

As of right now, the answer is "No" - MH is not yet a QF partner - see this page http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/partners/airline

But if MH has become a member of Oneworld by the time you fly, then the answer should be yes.
However, be aware that the ability to accrue, and the rate you get, might depend on the booking class of your ticket. Look for example at the Cathay Pacific link on the above web page - woeful earning to QF from flying CX in lower booking classes, We will all have to wait to see what the earning rate will be with MH

http://www.oneworld.com/news-information/oneworldnews/details/?ObjectID=52929

29 October 2012

Malaysia Airlines will become a full member of oneworld® with effect from Friday 1 February 2013, adding one of commercial aviation's most frequent award winners to the world's leading quality airline alliance.

Also confirmed here : http://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-airlines-mas-to-join-oneworld-on-february-1-2013

...MAS previousy expected to become a full operational member of oneworld in December, but a statement issued by oneworld says "while its alliance implementation programme is on track for completion in the coming weeks, its addition to oneworld is being held until the beginning of 2013 to avoid the end-of-year holiday season and for other administrative reasons."...

And here as well: http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/news/article/malaysia-airlines-to-join-oneworld-in-february/

So has anyone starting booking travel with MH for dates past 1 Feb 13? Any idea if there will be information on earning schemes prior to them joining?

So has anyone starting booking travel with MH for dates past 1 Feb 13? Any idea if there will be information on earning schemes prior to them joining?

I have just booked a flight on MH for next May for which I hope to post TP and miles to BA

I know little about airline ticketing as will become obvious from this question:D

MH obviously don't use Amadeus, will they after 1st Feb? If not will their 5 figure
Booking ref. work in other Oneworld airlines systems or will another ref. number be required?

So has anyone starting booking travel with MH for dates past 1 Feb 13? Any idea if there will be information on earning schemes prior to them joining?

Any idea how we check MH award seat as well?

Any idea how we check MH award seat as well?

I would like to think that by end of November/early December some of the oneworld FFP (especially CX,QF,JL and AA) programme should have the information available.

I have just booked a flight on MH for next May for which I hope to post TP and miles to BA

I know little about airline ticketing as will become obvious from this question:D

MH obviously don't use Amadeus, will they after 1st Feb? If not will their 5 figure
Booking ref. work in other Oneworld airlines systems or will another ref. number be required?

Joining an alliance has nothing to do with switching reservation system. If you have the MH record locator already, that's what you need.

so if I want to do an OW award in late March, would I be able to use the MH flight routes yet? I'm guessing no since they aren't loaded in.

so if I want to do an OW award in late March, would I be able to use the MH flight routes yet? I'm guessing no since they aren't loaded in.

You won't be able to book a OW award until they join the alliance (Feb 1).

Does anyone know in which award inventories MH flights book?

Does anyone know in which award inventories MH flights book?

When they join OW, it will be same as others in OW obviously.

When they join OW, it will be same as others in OW obviously.

Well every carrier has a different inventory... Surprised you do not know it...

Well every carrier has a different inventory... Surprised you do not know it...

It should be standardised when they join Oneworld majors.

CX, AA, BA, JL, and QF as far as I know have the same award inventory.

I only do not know (cos I don't book them) on IB, RJ and LA.

Do we already know the benefits we should get as OW status holder while flying on MH:
- lounge access is pretty obvious
- a few miles is the baseline
- free seat selection as on CX?
- extra luggage allowance?
- option to upgrade with miles? I would love that one... :-D

- Extra luggage is not a oneworld benefit
- You can already upgrade MH with enrich miles, would think it unlikely that any other miles can be uses

- Miles will no doubt depend on fare class

- Agree on lounge access, seat selection is generally provided, albeit not a oneworld benefit.

If I book a flight with Malaysian Airlines today for April 13 journey - will I be able to get BA miles and TPs or will you only get that if you book after 1 Feb when they join OW?

Silly question I know but don't want to book flights with them if they wont count!

aks120

If I book a flight with Malaysian Airlines today for April 13 journey - will I be able to get BA miles and TPs or will you only get that if you book after 1 Feb when they join OW?

Silly question I know but don't want to book flights with them if they wont count!

aks120

I would love to give you a firm answer, but it is exetremely difficult to do so. Unless you are fly Business or First, or full fare on booking code Y and B, possibly H, I would say the chances of you getting the miles and TP would be 50-50...

But if the offer is good, take it. If BA does not give you miles or TP. AA might do, or CX.

It should be standardised when they join Oneworld majors.

CX, AA, BA, JL, and QF as far as I know have the same award inventory.

I only do not know (cos I don't book them) on IB, RJ and LA.

For most OW members, F is Z (if offered) and J is U. Y can be either X or T, but definately not standardised. See http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Award_Booking_Codes_%28AA%29.

If I book a flight with Malaysian Airlines today for April 13 journey - will I be able to get BA miles and TPs or will you only get that if you book after 1 Feb when they join OW?

Silly question I know but don't want to book flights with them if they wont count!

aks120

I would love to give you a firm answer, but it is exetremely difficult to do so. Unless you are fly Business or First, or full fare on booking code Y and B, possibly H, I would say the chances of you getting the miles and TP would be 50-50...

But if the offer is good, take it. If BA does not give you miles or TP. AA might do, or CX.

Booking date would not matter if that's your question, but as chongcao said booking class matters if you fly in Y.

Thanks guys - i will be booking into business class so from your replies it looks like i should be fine :)

aks120

I know officially, can only earn miles MH miles on MPC from 1Feb onward, but any chnce MH will tie up with CX earlier.

Looking t Enrih website, it does not show this development

I know officially, can only earn miles MH miles on MPC from 1Feb onward, but any chnce MH will tie up with CX earlier.

Looking t Enrih website, it does not show this development

Only on the Malaysia-HK routes.

I know officially, can only earn miles MH miles on MPC from 1Feb onward, but any chnce MH will tie up with CX earlier.

Looking t Enrih website, it does not show this development

Only on the Malaysia-HK routes.

But still only CX-coded FLTs earn miles before MH officially joins OW unless more information comes out.

Hey guys - just wondering if there's any clarity on which economy fareclasses on MH would earn miles with Asiamiles/club miles for MPC? looking to book a rather decent looking fare for early summer.

No clarity at present

Hey guys - just wondering if there's any clarity on which economy fareclasses on MH would earn miles with Asiamiles/club miles for MPC? looking to book a rather decent looking fare for early summer.

Looking at current setup, it will be very unlikely any discounted economy fare ill earn 100% with CX. Only full Y class will earn.

I stand to be corrected

Looking at current setup, it will be very unlikely any discounted economy fare ill earn 100% with CX. Only full Y class will earnCan you expand on your comment - what "current setup" are you referring to? What is the basis for your conclusion?

Presumably, you cannot currently earn miles in any oneworld program for MH flights. Although the mileage earning between airlines and programs is a result of reciprocal agreements, ultimately (come February 1) it's up to MH to decide how many miles you'll earn in another oneworld airline's program (be that AsiaMiles, Aadvantage, QF etc) for a flight on MH. Hopefully, MH will be keen to get oneworld fliers to use its flights and will give 100% (or more) miles on all fare classes, including discount economy classes. Given that there are presumably no current mileage agreements between MH and any oneworld airline, I for one have no basis on which to speculate as to what MH will do.

Some airlines are keener than others to get business. As an AA flier, CX will only give me (AA) miles for (economy) flights in Y, B or H. However, AY for example will give me AA miles for (more or less) any fare class. As a result, I'll happily buy a discounted economy ticket from AY but I'm never going to buy one from CX (and am generally not going to trade up to Y, B or H on CX unless I absolutely have no choice but to fly CX). MH may or may not want my discount economy business - if they do, they'll follow the AY approach, if not, they'll follow the CX approach. The decision by a number of oneworld airlines (notably CX, QF) not to give AA miles for L fares means their flights are not usable for economy RTW tickets (unless earning no miles is acceptable to you) - let's hope MH does not follow their example.

The decision by a number of oneworld airlines (notably CX, QF) not to give AA miles for L fares means their flights are not usable for economy RTW tickets (unless earning no miles is acceptable to you) - let's hope MH does not follow their example.

You can earn AA mileage on QF L class fares (50% base miles - full EQP on earnings). S7 and RJ are rather more frugal in earnings, but do earn. Trans Pacific CX flights almost certainly have AA code shares as an option. It is the regional SE Asian flights and the European flights on CX that require creativity in selecting other carriers (or FF programs)

Happy wandering

Fred

You can earn AA mileage on QF L class fares (50% base miles - full EQP on earnings). S7 and RJ are rather more frugal in earnings, but do earn. Trans Pacific CX flights almost certainly have AA code shares as an option. It is the regional SE Asian flights and the European flights on CX that require creativity in selecting other carriers (or FF programs)Fred - correct, of course - my bad. I think I'm mentally attuned to avoid anything that is less than 100% miles! To clarify for others, although it's full EQP, that's only on the miles earned so it's effectively 50% again.

The big drawback of the AA program is the lack of any codeshares on flights to/from SWP/Asia/Europe. Once upon a time, AA announced it was going to codeshare on the BA flights to Asia/SWP but it never happened. Currently, AY codeshares on CX and AY flights via HEL are probably the best options for getting 100% miles on discount economy tickets to/from SWP/Asia/Europe ... unless you have other suggestions?

Talking of annoying point earn...

BEGHKLMNOQSVX (except if operated by Jetstar or Jetstar Asia)

BHK (Qantas marketed, operated by Jeststar or Jetstar Asia)

L (Qantas marketed, operated by Jetstar and travelling on a oneworld fare)
QFF members can't earn on L fares on flights operated by JQ, unless that flight is part of a oneworld ticket (with the QF code).

... The big drawback of the AA program is the lack of any codeshares on flights to/from SWP/Asia/Europe. Once upon a time, AA announced it was going to codeshare on the BA flights to Asia/SWP but it never happened. Currently, AY codeshares on CX and AY flights via HEL are probably the best options for getting 100% miles on discount economy tickets to/from SWP/Asia/Europe ... unless you have other suggestions?

BA now fully credits (almost?) all fare classes to AA, so that means the BA code shares on the QF flights would earn full credit. There are quite a few classes that do not earn full EQP. In my case, it seems that BA is continuing to code share on QF flights SIN-PER after 31 Mar - but only in economy :rolleyes: The main connecting points in SEAsia to Australia seem to be covered and seem to be salable without the LHR-SEAsia segments. Though CX shares to AKL do seem to need the connecting flight.

Happy wandering

Fred

Can you expand on your comment - what "current setup" are you referring to? What is the basis for your conclusion?

Presumably, you cannot currently earn miles in any oneworld program for MH flights. Although the mileage earning between airlines and programs is a result of reciprocal agreements, ultimately (come February 1) it's up to MH to decide how many miles you'll earn in another oneworld airline's program (be that AsiaMiles, Aadvantage, QF etc) for a flight on MH. Hopefully, MH will be keen to get oneworld fliers to use its flights and will give 100% (or more) miles on all fare classes, including discount economy classes. Given that there are presumably no current mileage agreements between MH and any oneworld airline, I for one have no basis on which to speculate as to what MH will do.

Some airlines are keener than others to get business. As an AA flier, CX will only give me (AA) miles for (economy) flights in Y, B or H. However, AY for example will give me AA miles for (more or less) any fare class. As a result, I'll happily buy a discounted economy ticket from AY but I'm never going to buy one from CX (and am generally not going to trade up to Y, B or H on CX unless I absolutely have no choice but to fly CX). MH may or may not want my discount economy business - if they do, they'll follow the AY approach, if not, they'll follow the CX approach. The decision by a number of oneworld airlines (notably CX, QF) not to give AA miles for L fares means their flights are not usable for economy RTW tickets (unless earning no miles is acceptable to you) - let's hope MH does not follow their example.

Here is what I mean
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_SG/ffp/mpo/oneworld

Well I may make generalization, as I have to admit I only check on JL and QF which most of the "discounted" fare only earn 50%.

I also hope MH deep discount fare will earn mileage on CX

In my case, it seems that BA is continuing to code share on QF flights SIN-PER after 31 Mar - but only in economy:rolleyes:

Just did a quick availability check in KVS for a random date (1 June 2013)
Shows business class availability
[KVS Availability Tool 7.1.0/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US] (http://www.KVSTool.com/)
SIN Singapore Changi SG [WSSS]
PER Perth WA AU [YPPH]
SAT 01 Jun 2013

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- -----------------------------------------------
BA/QF 7378 SIN 19:30 PER 00:40 333 C5 D3 R0 I0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 Q9 S9 J9 N3 O9
BA/QF 7376 SIN 23:30 PER 04:40 333 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 Q9 S9 J9 N9 O9

Just did a quick availability check in KVS for a random date (1 June 2013)
Shows business class availability
...

Could be I picked a few very popular days...mostly Sundays and Mondays... Good to see, though for a five hour flight I think I can survive in the back...:D

Fred

though for a five hour flight I think I can survive in the back...:D

Fred

Yes, we sandgropers are a tough lot:D
(though neither of us are true sandgropers;))

BA now fully credits (almost?) all fare classes to AA, so that means the BA code shares on the QF flights would earn full credit.Duh! I really am mentally mis-attuned these days.... I had got so used to getting next to nothing on non-premium flights on BA, that I tend to automatically exclude them from my thinking. I'd forgotten that the revision of the AA/BA TATL arrangements had also affected mileage earning on other BA-coded flights.

Just an observation about redeeming miles on MH after they join OneWorld in Feb. Obviously MH joining OneWorld will add a significant amount of "new" destinations when redeeming miles from other accounts. I just want you to be aware of the awfully high "charges" when booking awards with MH..

Ex: KUL-DPS C Class award, total charges 945 Ringits, $312
Normal economy ticket price when purchased 1200 Ringits, $400

KUL-NRT C Class award one way, 1286 Ringits, $430.

I certainly hope that these "surcharges" are adjusted in February but I highly doubt it

Probably not relevant when using AA miles to book MH flights.

Ditto that, I find it rather ridiculous the fuel surcharges that MH charges for award tickets. I wonder if they are the same charges for their own program? As far as I know, when I tried to redeem a C-class ticket with my Delta and KLM miles, they wanted nearly 300 USD for one way! This is rather steep in my opinion as with that price I could buy a return in economy for that price. Therefore even with AA or BA miles I think they will still be charging these exorbitant prices.

I really hope that they will revisit their charges after joining OW. I doubt that though.

Cheers!

Just look at QF for high fuel surcharges on award bookings!
However it is not the operating airline that dictates what the charges are for award bookings but it is the FFP, eg AAdvantage points redemption will use AA charges on MH flights NOT MH Enrich charges.

Just look at QF for high fuel surcharges on award bookings!
However it is not the operating airline that dictates what the charges are for award bookings but it is the FFP, eg AAdvantage points redemption will use AA charges on MH flights NOT MH Enrich charges.

Not necessarily true. Usually, the operating airlines decides how much to charge, but the FFP programme decides whether to charge it or not.

The MH fuel surcharges on DL awards are really crazy. I had to pay ~$700 for NRT-KUL-SYD-KUL-HKG in J. I really hope AA doesn't charge them so I can cancel my DL award and rebook it using AA miles. :D

On Feb 1 will MH flights be available as part of a RTW itinerary?

On Feb 1 will MH flights be available as part of a RTW itinerary?

+1. Same Q.

Talking of annoying point earn...
QFF members can't earn on L fares on flights operated by JQ, unless that flight is part of a oneworld ticket (with the QF code).

Incorrect.
QFF members can earn points on any JQ flight where they buy the Plus/Max bundle add-ons on a JQ code. The quoted part applies to qantas codeshares and xonex only.

SQ KrisFlyer members can't earn on Scoot at all.

On Feb 1 will MH flights be available as part of a RTW itinerary?

+1. Same Q.

If MH joins on 01FEB2013 as planned then yes. Whether existing TKT can now be changed to include MH would be much more complicated and depend on what is written in the endorsement box.

Generally not...
The rules governing any *ONE* RTW or equivalent are governed by the rules at the date of ticketing, which presently doesn't include MH.

Generally not...
The rules governing any *ONE* RTW or equivalent are governed by the rules at the date of ticketing, which presently doesn't include MH.

That is what should be the case...I agree. If the endorsement box says something like "VLD ON AA/AB/AY... FLTS ONLY," it will be hard to later add MH in. However, if the endorsement box says "VLD ON ONEWORLD FLTS ONLY" and you happen to have a clueless agent, it may then be possible.

That is what should be the case...I agree. If the endorsement box says something like "VLD ON AA/AB/AY... FLTS ONLY," it will be hard to later add MH in. However, if the endorsement box says "VLD ON ONEWORLD FLTS ONLY" and you happen to have a clueless agent, it may then be possible.
These are the endorsements from my last CX issued DONE3

ENDORSEMENTS : VALID ONEWORLD CARRIERES ONLY * SUBJ TO RFND CHRG * RFR
ONEWORLD RULE

A/D GLOB34 RTW fares already include MH flights.

But other RTW Oneworld fares , when issued prior to MH joining OW cannot add MH to their current itineraries. Most agents will know this when they reissue your tickets when they refer to the original date of issue of your ticket. They aren't as 'clueless' as you think they are.. !

When will redemption availability be made available to QF and AA?

I need to make a flight in the middle of Feb and I am hoping to use some miles and fly on MH.

Any idea when QF and AA will have redemption inventory?

These are the endorsements from my last CX issued DONE3

But is also says refer oneworld rules.
As current (ie when you ticket), MH is not listed.

When will redemption availability be made available to QF and AA?

Any idea when QF and AA will have redemption inventory?

None of us knows.

When will redemption availability be made available to QF and AA?

I need to make a flight in the middle of Feb and I am hoping to use some miles and fly on MH.

Any idea when QF and AA will have redemption inventory?

Likely on the day they join the alliance.

I have the chance to fly Paris-KL-Perth in Business class on Malaysian Airlines and I would like to know if you think we should wait until Feb 1 to make the booking to earn FF points?

If I book now due to a good fare being available - would they add the points to my FF program after flying in April?

Do I have to join a program with MH to do so - or just use my QFF number?

I have the chance to fly Paris-KL-Perth in Business class on Malaysian Airlines and I would like to know if you think we should wait until Feb 1 to make the booking to earn FF points?

If I book now due to a good fare being available - would they add the points to my FF program after flying in April?

Do I have to join a program with MH to do so - or just use my QFF number?

What matters is when you fly, not when you book. So, providing MH join before your flight, you'll get QFF miles.

I have the chance to fly Paris-KL-Perth in Business class on Malaysian Airlines and I would like to know if you think we should wait until Feb 1 to make the booking to earn FF points?No need to wait until Feb. If the MH web site will not accept your QF number just leave it blank and add later.

If I book now due to a good fare being available - would they add the points to my FF program after flying in April?Yes. Highly likely you will be able to do online or just phone.


Do I have to join a program with MH to do so - or just use my QFF number?Do not join MH - just use your QF number

There is a chance MH will not join on Feb 1. Could be delayed

There is a chance MH will not join on Feb 1. Could be delayedThey were going to join early Dec. It was pushed back due to oneworld member CEO availability and the holidays.

What matters is when you fly, not when you book. So, providing MH join before your flight, you'll get QFF miles.

Well, no guarantee, as MH mileage earning tables haven't been published for any OW carriers (i.e. we don't know what fares will earn what mileage rates). Though a business fare is likely to earn.

There is a chance MH will not join on Feb 1. Could be delayed

May I ask what you are basing this on?

There is a chance MH will not join on Feb 1.

May I ask what you are basing this on?


The Mayans were right but off by a month?

The Mayans were right but off by a month?

^ :D

There is a chance MH will not join on Feb 1. Could be delayed

It's announced with an image on the homepage (http://static.oneworld.com/oneworld/flash/MH/MA_banner_EN_121412.jpg) of the oneworld site now so I think they're pretty sure about this date.

They should be by now, it's only 3 more weeks, everything is probably ready already.

It's announced with an image on the homepage (http://static.oneworld.com/oneworld/flash/MH/MA_banner_EN_121412.jpg) of the oneworld site now so I think they're pretty sure about this date.

They should be by now, it's only 3 more weeks, everything is probably ready already.

I booked to fly with MH on Feb 1 to Europe. So I'm certainly hoping that's the case... every day they don't post a milage earning table I get more worried, though!

From the news article posted on the oneworld website end of October

While its alliance implementation programme is on track for completion in the coming weeks, its addition to oneworld is being held until the beginning of 2013 to avoid the end-of-year holiday season and for other administrative reasons.

They would have joined early-mid December had it not been for the holidays and the need for key oneworld member CEO's being available. At a minimum, they need Bruce Ashby, Alan Joyce, Tom Horton and Ahmad Jauhari Yahya to be available.

How is your conclusion supported by the news you quoted? Seems like a leap to me.

I booked to fly with MH on Feb 1 to Europe. So I'm certainly hoping that's the case... every day they don't post a milage earning table I get more worried, though!

No OW airline has MH's booking classes eligible for mileage. It's not MH's fault but rather the Oneworld partners.

I was told by an AA representative last night that booking must be made AFTER February 1 (MA's official One World entry date) to get EQMs, but that doesn't sound right. One would think that as long as the TRAVEL was made after February 1 that EQMs would be credited to your One World partner account.

I'd actually like to hear if anyone can confirm this...

I was told by an AA representative last night that booking must be made AFTER February 1 (MA's official One World entry date) to get EQMs, but that doesn't sound right. One would think that as long as the TRAVEL was made after February 1 that EQMs would be credited to your One World partner account.

I'd actually like to hear if anyone can confirm this...

Welcome to FlyerTalk, katosun.

"MA" was the code for Malev. An old OneWorld partner that went kaput. So as to keep things in order, the 2 letter code for Malaysia Airlines is "MH".

We don't know what the qualifying booking classes are that will earn miles on any programme yet, except with MH's own programme, called Enrich, of course.

Suspect we will get the qualifying charts very soon.

Presumably we will get the earnings charts soon.

I would expect some tiering of Economy fares given existing Malaysian and Delta tiering:
Malaysian - http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/hq/en/enrich/earn-enrich-miles/malaysia-airlines.html
Delta - http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/skymiles/earn-miles/earn-miles-with-partners/airlines/malaysia-airlines.html

Interesting that the Delta earn was bumped down on 1-Dec-12 including exclusion from earn of cheapest classes

Suspect we will get the qualifying charts very soon.

Presumably we will get the earnings charts soon.

I would expect some tiering of Economy fares given existing Malaysian and Delta tiering:
Malaysian - http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/hq/en/enrich/earn-enrich-miles/malaysia-airlines.html
Delta - http://www.delta.com/content/www/en...with-partners/airlines/malaysia-airlines.html

Interesting that the Delta earn was bumped down on 1-Dec-12 including exclusion from earn of cheapest classes


Your link didn't work with DL.

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/skymiles/earn-miles/earn-miles-with-partners/airlines/malaysia-airlines.html

When MH partnered with NW, they were more generous in being able to earn 100% miles in most classes including S, L , and V

I don't know if I am missing anything. It's less than 2 weeks till MH formally join oneworld but I still can't find which booking class i should book for status miles for cathay. Could someone point me to some website which shows the booking class where I can accrual miles for?

Is MH really ready to join one world??

AS posted above - there is no official policy published yet.
Equally a table had not been published for Kingfisher when they postponed on 3-Feb-12 (they were meant to join on 10-Feb-12)

Take a guide from the Delta/Malaysian tables two above.
I would be avoiding N/O/Q

I don't know if I am missing anything. It's less than 2 weeks till MH formally join oneworld but I still can't find which booking class i should book for status miles for cathay. Could someone point me to some website which shows the booking class where I can accrual miles for?

Is MH really ready to join one world??

Note that it's up to each FFP to display the earning requirements. MH is ready. The other FFPs just want us to wait till the official join date to tell us.

Is there any FTer who'd be flying them on Feb 1st?

Is there any FTer who'd be flying them on Feb 1st?

That would be me. Either silly or brave enough, I don't know!

Is there any FTer who'd be flying them on Feb 1st?

2nd, 3rd and 8th

I might do the 1st from HKG to SIN via KUL.

The Malaysian Website also appears to have a "hidden booking class code" as well.

Once you select the flights you want
(for an Economy Domestic Itin I was presented with MH Smart and MH Flex only)
and go to the
Itinerary Summary screen

Bring up Page Source on your Browser and search for:
"classOfTravel="

Interestingly for my booked MHSmart fare it is showing "V" Class, which I thought was a MHBasic fare based on the redemption table linked above.


Am flying on March 19

I don't know if I am missing anything. It's less than 2 weeks till MH formally join oneworld but I still can't find which booking class i should book for status miles for cathay. Could someone point me to some website which shows the booking class where I can accrual miles for?

Is MH really ready to join one world??
I expect earning tables to be posted to oneworld member websites on the day MH joins. Just as they were when AB joined.

Frustrating given that I want to book a redemption through BA! Hurry up MH!

Im waiting as well to book an econ award using Avios - these should function effective Feb 1, correct?

Im waiting as well to book an econ award using Avios - these should function effective Feb 1, correct?

I'd give it a few days to a week for all the systems to be integrated with MH's system.

Posted on the Q&A forum at ausbt.com.au


AY has published accrual rates for MH flights. The following are the inventories, where mileage is accruable:
First: A, F (150% booking class percentage)
Business: C, D, J, Z (125% booking class percentage)
Economy: Y, B, H (100% booking class percentage)
Economy: K, M (50% booking class percentage)
Economy: V, L, S (25% booking class percentage)


Confirmed here: https://pointshop.finnair.com/partner.php?cPath=552_555_602
Essentially the same as the Delta table.

Is there any FTer who'd be flying them on Feb 1st?

I'm flying KUL-SYD on Feb 2nd, although that may even change to the 1st... will actually be attending the MAS "Welcome to oneworld" event in Kuala Lumpur (flying up on Wed 30th on behalf of AusBT), and I'm happy to try and bring back answers to any specific MH/OW questions from the FT folk.

Just FYI - I did a test booking today and see that only a few FFPs have started recognising MH as partners - AAdvantage , QF, S7 and CX's Asiamiles. BA still does not recognise MH as of today yet (25Jan2012).


MH-232 MALAYSIA AIRLINES
ACCEPTS FF ACCOUNT NUMBERS IN THE PROGRAMS LISTED
AA AF AZ CX DJ DL EY IB KL MH* QF S7 UL*
VS 9W*

PS - I'll be flying SIN-x/KUL-HKG on the 1st ! :p

I'm flying KUL-SYD on Feb 2nd, although that may even change to the 1st... will actually be attending the MAS "Welcome to oneworld" event in Kuala Lumpur (flying up on Wed 30th on behalf of AusBT), and I'm happy to try and bring back answers to any specific MH/OW questions from the FT folk.

It would be nice to know how other joining processes (UL and QR) are going and a prediction for their full integration.

They've added a notice to the 'MH joining Feb 1' graphic on the oneworld homepage.

Watch the joining ceremony live on the MH YouTube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/mastravel
1730 Thursday 31st MST (0930 GMT)

Just FYI - I did a test booking today and see that only a few FFPs have started recognising MH as partners - AAdvantage , QF, S7 and CX's Asiamiles. BA still does not recognise MH as of today yet (25Jan2012).



PS - I'll be flying SIN-x/KUL-HKG on the 1st ! :p

Might because of the VS still in MH list...

I am just wondering if I can book MH award ticket using AAdvantage miles or BA avios by phone on Feb 1?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZoLXNZoskk

They've added a notice to the 'MH joining Feb 1' graphic on the oneworld homepage.

Watch the joining ceremony live on the MH YouTube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/mastravel
1730 Thursday 31st MST (0930 GMT)

I like the new video which was just updated 7 hours ago..

It features a lot of "one" hints.. especially the

oneFEBRUARY2013 ...

I don't think any of the other OW members had celebrated entry into this alliance as much as Malaysia Airlines !

I am just wondering if I can book MH award ticket using AAdvantage miles or BA avios by phone on Feb 1?

I wouldn't even attempt it but go ahead and try. Their systems have to cutover to Oneworld availability by then. I don't know if their systems will standardise the Oneworld award inventory but as of now, you have Z space as revenue instead of F award inventory.

So who's booking their F awards on the A380s ? I've already booked mine yesterday.. before the floodgates open to Oneworld members! :D

I like the new video which was just updated 7 hours ago..

It features a lot of "one" hints.. especially the

oneFEBRUARY2013 ...

I don't think any of the other OW members had celebrated entry into this alliance as much as Malaysia Airlines !

JAL?

And possible the near future Qatar?

JAL?

And possible the near future Qatar?

The quote was "had" ..I don't think any of the other OW members had celebrated entry into this alliance as much as Malaysia Airlines !..

I think JL's entry was kinda quiet. We don't know much about QR yet , till next year I guess.

According to MH's YouTube channel live stream will commence 9.00am Kuala Lumpur time, so 2.00am London time right?

According to MH's YouTube channel live stream will commence 9.00am Kuala Lumpur time, so 2.00am London time right?

9am KUL = 1am LON
(8hrs difference when London is on GMT, 7hrs when it's on summertime)

I wouldn't even attempt it but go ahead and try. Their systems have to cutover to Oneworld availability by then. I don't know if their systems will standardise the Oneworld award inventory but as of now, you have Z space as revenue instead of F award inventory.

So who's booking their F awards on the A380s ? I've already booked mine yesterday.. before the floodgates open to Oneworld members! :D

MH needs not to have Z as the F award booking class. OW members, for example, do not standardise the booking class for Y award and Y+ award.

I'm on MH89 NRT-KUL on the 1st......let's hope they have something special for joining Oneworld either on departure or arrival :p:p

I hope MH has got their computer integration issues solved after switching to Ammadeus but im not taking any bets !!! ;)

9am KUL = 1am LON
(8hrs difference when London is on GMT, 7hrs when it's on summertime)

Oh right!
Thanks I think I'll watch it during the day

Is it easy to grab F class award seats on MH A380 from LHR or CDG to KUL and back ?

Is it easy to grab F class award seats on MH A380 from LHR or CDG to KUL and back ?

I just did using 145k VS miles. Once booked, it takes about 24 hours for MH to confirm or reject the booking. But this is all before Oneworld. So the process might change.

If its anything like MH's current agreement with DL and VS, expect fuel surcharge and fees. My award ticket costs over US$ 550 extra.

Is it easy to grab F class award seats on MH A380 from LHR or CDG to KUL and back ?

On Enrich, yes - but they are ridiculously priced... There's no way I would redeem for them.. It's about 3x the Business class redemption rate.

I wouldn't even attempt it but go ahead and try. Their systems have to cutover to Oneworld availability by then. I don't know if their systems will standardise the Oneworld award inventory but as of now, you have Z space as revenue instead of F award inventory.

So who's booking their F awards on the A380s ? I've already booked mine yesterday.. before the floodgates open to Oneworld members! :D

I'm confused. How were you able to book an award ticket on MH now?!?

I'm confused. How were you able to book an award ticket on MH now?!?

He used VS miles. @:-)

On Enrich, yes - but they are ridiculously priced... There's no way I would redeem for them.. It's about 3x the Business class redemption rate.

But they have their 50% off awards usually at the end of the year. So that might be something to consider for Enrich. ;)

On Enrich, yes - but they are ridiculously priced... There's no way I would redeem for them.. It's about 3x the Business class redemption rate.

But they have their 50% off awards usually at the end of the year. So that might be something to consider for Enrich. ;)

loved that sale. booked 5x return business tickets to LHR and 2x to Seoul. however, moving all my business to SQ's KF now. not sure if that's a good idea...

After reviewing all the FFP's I think I'll be applying ALL miles earned on MH into my AA account. MH offers only 150% on business tickets whereas I can get 225% under AA's. I just hope MH has their computer system worked out to deal with crediting other Oneworld accounts.

As mentioned previously the fuel surcharges on award tickets are just ridiculous !!!!

Just wondering if anyone else will be switching ??

After reviewing all the FFP's I think I'll be applying ALL miles earned on MH into my AA account. MH offers only 150% on business tickets whereas I can get 225% under AA's. I just hope MH has their computer system worked out to deal with crediting other Oneworld accounts.

As mentioned previously the fuel surcharges on award tickets are just ridiculous !!!!

Just wondering if anyone else will be switching ??

Just for clarity's sake:

AA gives 100% for a start
+25% cabin bonus for business
+100% bonus for Platinum or Executive Platinum status (only 25% if Gold status)
= 225% if you have sufficient status and fly in business

With MH, what is the breakdown for a status passenger flying business?

Just for clarity's sake:

AA gives 100% for a start
+25% cabin bonus for business
+100% bonus for Platinum or Executive Platinum status (only 25% if Gold status)
= 225% if you have sufficient status and fly in business

With MH, what is the breakdown for a status passenger flying business?

150% for Business and an additional 25% for Silver/Gold members or 30% for Platinum members

150% for Business and an additional 25% for Silver/Gold members or 30% for Platinum members


Forgot the additional 30%, but overall it's still an additional 45% with AA !!!!! PLUS the much lower taxes/surcharges on award tickets. This year alone it would mean an additional 100,000+ miles.

It just doesn't make any sense staying with Enrich any more.....

malaysia has not been added to the network map yet-but there are heaps of destinations in Brasil that have been added that Lan DOES not even fly too-when you click of them it keeps saying no routes found

malaysia has not been added to the network map yet-but there are heaps of destinations in Brasil that have been added that Lan DOES not even fly too-when you click of them it keeps saying no routes foundMH doesn't join for a few more hours yet. After it is past midnight in UTC+8, I would think oneworld IT in New York will start updating things on the website.

In blind optimism I am waiting till midnight in Aus so I can try and make a booking.

In blind optimism I am waiting till midnight in Aus so I can try and make a booking.

Good luck:D
BTW - midnight in KL is also midnight in Perth, so 3am in Sydney & Melbourne;)

Double miles offer to frequent flyers as Malaysia Airlines joins (http://www.oneworld.com/news-information/oneworldnews/details/?objectID=53800)

Oneworld FF members "will receive double mileage awards when flying on Malaysia Airlines between 15 February 2013 and 15 April 2013"

Double miles offer to frequent flyers as Malaysia Airlines joins (http://www.oneworld.com/news-information/oneworldnews/details/?objectID=53800)

Oneworld FF members "will receive double mileage awards when flying on Malaysia Airlines between 15 February 2013 and 15 April 2013"

Only Finnair has listed what booking class earns what.. we're still waiting for the rest.

I have booked a flight on MH from SIN-BKK but can't issue the ticket until I know what booking class to book on. I guess I will know tomorrow.. :(

After reviewing all the FFP's I think I'll be applying ALL miles earned on MH into my AA account. MH offers only 150% on business tickets whereas I can get 225% under AA's. I just hope MH has their computer system worked out to deal with crediting other Oneworld accounts.

As mentioned previously the fuel surcharges on award tickets are just ridiculous !!!!

Just wondering if anyone else will be switching ??

I'm already Lifetime AA-Platinum (OW Sapphire) member. AA's good. But sometimes MH's 50% award off sale is even better. Plus you must remember that MH might give preference of award seats to its own members first over everyone else.

Just checked out the MH website, after all the fanfare of the joining, the update to the website is pathetic!. If you check out the website, they have added the Oneworld logo, but sadly that is so badly aligned it is covering part of their own kite logo.
Checked out their enrich page - just to get a clue on how it would be, no OW airlines are listed there as yet.

Quite a disappointment.

Btw, did anyone catch the whole joining event live on web? Saw a few of it, pity that during the introduction/welcoming greetings from the various airlines, there was a bit of screwup in line up, they mixed up LAN and Japan Airlines.. I think this threw those poor airline representative off course.. some of them got rather nervous.. the S7 rep got lost in words and abruptly ended with her Russian welcome.

Cheers!

I wonder why all the flight attendants of the other Oneworld airlines present for the gathering in KUL were only women?? Plus I wonder if they were treated to some grand tour of Kuala Lumpur or were they expected to just turn up.. surely the Finnair, S7 FAs must be happy to escape the winter blues to the sunshine of Malaysia ! :D

Just checked out the MH website, after all the fanfare of the joining, the update to the website is pathetic!. If you check out the website, they have added the Oneworld logo, but sadly that is so badly aligned it is covering part of their own kite logo.
Checked out their enrich page - just to get a clue on how it would be, no OW airlines are listed there as yet.

Quite a disappointment.

Btw, did anyone catch the whole joining event live on web? Saw a few of it, pity that during the introduction/welcoming greetings from the various airlines, there was a bit of screwup in line up, they mixed up LAN and Japan Airlines.. I think this threw those poor airline representative off course.. some of them got rather nervous.. the S7 rep got lost in words and abruptly ended with her Russian welcome.

Cheers!

Actually they did an excellent job - you must check it again after midnight 1 Feb 2013 , Malaysian time..

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/hk/en/enrich/earn-enrich-miles/oneworld-member-airlines.html

But their earning rates on OW partners don't seem to be very good ! :(
Except for LAN airlines for some reason..

AA has posted their Double Miles on Malaysia Airlines promo (http://www.aa.com/viewPromotionDetails.do?fN=AAd_MHDBL.xml&_locale=en_US)

From the small print: "Offer applies only to AAdvantage members who purchase and fly on purchased, published First Class fares booked in A or F; Business Class fares booked in J, C, or D; Economy Class fares booked in Y, B, H, K, M, L, V, or S on Malaysia Airlines operated flights."

OW's various timetables (http://www.oneworld.com/tools/downloadable-timetables/), including the Innovata desktop timetable, have been revised and now contain MH flights.

AA has posted their Double Miles on Malaysia Airlines promo (http://www.aa.com/viewPromotionDetails.do?fN=AAd_MHDBL.xml&_locale=en_US)

From the small print: "Offer applies only to AAdvantage members who purchase and fly on purchased, published First Class fares booked in A or F; Business Class fares booked in J, C, or D; Economy Class fares booked in Y, B, H, K, M, L, V, or S on Malaysia Airlines operated flights."

FROM 15th FEB ???

I have a flight next week ! But I wonder if the double points is for flights from 15th Feb, or will they allow accrual of miles from tomorrow, ie 1st Feb?

Actually they did an excellent job - you must check it again after midnight 1 Feb 2013 , Malaysian time..

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/hk/en/enrich/earn-enrich-miles/oneworld-member-airlines.html

But their earning rates on OW partners don't seem to be very good ! :(
Except for LAN airlines for some reason..

haha.. saw that they adjusted the alignment and adjusted the Enrich program.. I must have been too fast for them ;)

Wow, earnings are very restricted. One weird observation is the flights between Malaysia-Australia/NZ. Both Qantas and MH program have special separate earnings between these destinations.
BA earnings are out.. still waiting for the AA one's. My estimation is somewhat close to BA's program, but it could also be as restrictive as flying with Cathay.

I'm already Lifetime AA-Platinum (OW Sapphire) member. AA's good. But sometimes MH's 50% award off sale is even better. Plus you must remember that MH might give preference of award seats to its own members first over everyone else.


Good luck with the redemption now !!!! The 50% off is over now......

MH has been added to Qantas site, earning classes are pretty slim:

AF (selected routes only)* First 1 -
AF (selected routes only)# First 1 50%
CDJZ (selected routes only)* Business 0.75 -
CDJZ (selected routes only)# Business 1 25%
Y (selected routes only)* Economy 0.25 -
Y (selected routes only)# Economy 1 -
BH (selected routes only)* Discount Economy 0.25 -
BH (selected routes only)# Discount Economy 0.50 -
KMLV Discount Economy 0.25 -



Looks like you can also now book MH flights on BA Avios site.

MH has been added to Qantas site, earning classes are pretty slim:

AF (selected routes only)* First 1 -
AF (selected routes only)# First 1 50%
CDJZ (selected routes only)* Business 0.75 -
CDJZ (selected routes only)# Business 1 25%
Y (selected routes only)* Economy 0.25 -
Y (selected routes only)# Economy 1 -
BH (selected routes only)* Discount Economy 0.25 -
BH (selected routes only)# Discount Economy 0.50 -
KMLV Discount Economy 0.25 -



Looks like you can also now book MH flights on BA Avios site.

It's interesting to see that MH's poor earning with QF seems to kick in the day QF jump out of bed with BA and into bed with EK.

Double miles offer to frequent flyers as Malaysia Airlines joins (http://www.oneworld.com/news-information/oneworldnews/details/?objectID=53800)

Oneworld FF members "will receive double mileage awards when flying on Malaysia Airlines between 15 February 2013 and 15 April 2013"


That's great !!!!! So they join today......I'm waiting for my MH flight to KUL and I'm coming back on Monday night but don't get bonus miles!!!!! Only MH could come up with something this dumb..... 2 weeks after they join Oneworld they decide to give bonus miles out !!!!!!

I'm wondering how long it's going to take to credit the miles to my AA account for today's flight????? Ok ok.... I'm sitting in the JAL F lounge complaining again.... I have NO idea why the eggs smell/taste like fish!!!! Not a good morning .,,,

That's great !!!!! So they join today......I'm waiting for my MH flight to KUL and I'm coming back on Monday night but don't get bonus miles!!!!! Only MH could come up with something this dumb..... 2 weeks after they join Oneworld they decide to give bonus miles out !!!!!!

I would hazard a guess that it's to avoid shelling out a shed load of miles given that it's the peak CNY season coming up soon - loads are already probably decent without a bonus promotion.

I would hazard a guess that it's to avoid shelling out a shed load of miles given that it's the peak CNY season coming up soon - loads are already probably decent without a bonus promotion.

I'd be happy to be Chinese for 2 weeks !!!!!

That did have Onewolrd balloons at the checkin counter though ....

This is frustrating, the QF website doesn't allow me to select Kuala Lumpur as a destination.

That's great !!!!! So they join today......I'm waiting for my MH flight to KUL and I'm coming back on Monday night but don't get bonus miles!!!!! Only MH could come up with something this dumb..... 2 weeks after they join Oneworld they decide to give bonus miles out !!!!!!

I'm wondering how long it's going to take to credit the miles to my AA account for today's flight????? Ok ok.... I'm sitting in the JAL F lounge complaining again.... I have NO idea why the eggs smell/taste like fish!!!! Not a good morning .,,,

I don't think the bonus miles timing is MH's timing but rather a OneWorld decision. Besides, not every member has advertised of this either! Still waiting for BA to make an announcement as I want to credit my miles to AVIOS.

Looking to check on MH's availability...

BA's site works but won't display any J/F availability on MH's A380 flights. Y is open. J only open on non A380 flights.

Whereas MH's site shows availability for all classes on same day requested.

Oh dear.. :(

This is frustrating, the QF website doesn't allow me to select Kuala Lumpur as a destination.

I just checked the Australian QF site, it gives KL as a destination, maybe check again now.

Looking to check on MH's availability...

BA's site works but won't display any J/F availability on MH's A380 flights. Y is open. J only open on non A380 flights.

Whereas MH's site shows availability for all classes on same day requested.

Oh dear.. :(

I am seeing J available in Feb on MH1/3 (A380)

Hm... I think there are some issues with F award space. If you do a search for MH F on avois redemption it shows economy. I checked KVS for the same dates/flights and it shows "YS4 CS4 YS9". I am guessing the "YS4" is really supposed to be F?

I just checked the Australian QF site, it gives KL as a destination, maybe check again now.

Not working for me?

Hm... I think there are some issues with F award space. If you do a search for MH F on avois redemption it shows economy. I checked KVS for the same dates/flights and it shows "YS4 CS4 YS9". I am guessing the "YS4" is really supposed to be F?

I noticed the same thing. Interestingly when I ask for 1 seat it show me 'economy' yet it says 2 seats are available. Yet when I ask for two it shows me Business only.

Hi - apologies for lack of knowledge in this area but hoping you can direct me to a link or explanation of MH awarding frequent flyer points to QF members please.
We are flying Paris-KL-Perth in Business on Malaysia Airlines in April - it was a sale fare and I am wondering how many points we could earn for this - status and flyers?
We purchased the tickets prior to Feb 1 and not sure what to do next to enable points allocated to our QFF when we fly. Also are there other perks we should be aware of - QF Silver.
Any advice appreciated.

Hi - apologies for lack of knowledge in this area but hoping you can direct me to a link or explanation of MH awarding frequent flyer points to QF members please.
We are flying Paris-KL-Perth in Business on Malaysia Airlines in April - it was a sale fare and I am wondering how many points we could earn for this - status and flyers?
We purchased the tickets prior to Feb 1 and not sure what to do next to enable points allocated to our QFF when we fly. Also are there other perks we should be aware of - QF Silver.
Any advice appreciated.


You should ask this over at the QF forum. But from my knowledge - its not when you purchased the ticket, its when you fly with MH. You may accrue miles with MH on QFF.

Refer to this : http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qantas-frequent-flyer/1433847-mh-earn-rates.html

Posted on QF website too...

Have booked for Mrs Richo Rabbit + 2 Richo Rabbit Jnr + Infant (4 seats + infant) MEL - KUL - KUA (club med) - KUL - SIN - MEL all on MH except the last leg on QF. Departing in June. All on QF points.

Perfect dates not available but got there in the end.

After receiving clarification from AA regarding mileage accrual on MH and the update on AA's website I wonder why anyone would still continue to credit miles to MH's Enrich account.

I know Guy Betsy will sing poetic about MH's 50% off redemption (not happening right now)..,, but realistically if your traveling on "non discounted" fares then AA offers a MUCH better plan.

For instance:

KUL-NRT= 5817 Enrich redemption miles/ 4986 Elite miles
KUL-NRT= 8726 AA redemption miles/ 4986 Elite miles

From Feb 15th toApril 15th AA and MH are offering a 100%bonus on actual miles flown......fortunately AA offers this bonus ALL year and not just for 2 months. I am assuming that you are at least a Plat member with AA to get this bonus (50k miles) but is still makes sense IMHO.

AA also offers significantly less YQ charges on award tickets......to the extent you'll save over $400 on a KUL-LHR award ticket.

Any Oneworld member who is currently on the MH Enrich program who is traveling on a lot of full fare Y or business seats should surely look at switching programs....I for one won't be crediting another mile to MH's Enrich program. It's just not worth it.

After receiving clarification from AA regarding mileage accrual on MH and the update on AA's website I wonder why anyone would still continue to credit miles to MH's Enrich account.

I know Guy Betsy will sing poetic about MH's 50% off redemption (not happening right now)..,, but realistically if your traveling on "non discounted" fares then AA offers a MUCH better plan.
...

Not that I sing MH's redemption song much.. its just that I wished I had miles in my dormant Enrich account when the promo came online last year. But having a lifetime AA Plat card is easy when I choose who I am to credit my miles to.

If you're based in Malaysia, and have credit cards that earn you Enrich miles, then the choice is clear. But if you're from elsewhere, then you do have better options to choose who you'd rather bank your miles into.

The 50% off redemption sale late last year was a bit of a fizzer for anyone not based in KUL or a cheap LCC flight away. The lower rates applied only to single legs and as pretty much every flight in the network is to or from KUL the benefit was only for those wanting to go to or from KUL.

If I wanted to go SYD-KUL-LAX the 50% off only applied to the individual awards SYD-KUL and KUL-LAX. The total points cost of the two individual discounted awards was higher than a standard through award SYD-(KUL)-LAX and the 2 fuel surcharges combined were more than the single award fuel surcharge.

I came across this whilst traversing around the Malaysia Airlines website: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8oI6vW_ZIQ

Now if only they can spend some time fixing up their booking engine instead...

Not that I sing MH's redemption song much.. its just that I wished I had miles in my dormant Enrich account when the promo came online last year. But having a lifetime AA Plat card is easy when I choose who I am to credit my miles to.

If you're based in Malaysia, and have credit cards that earn you Enrich miles, then the choice is clear. But if you're from elsewhere, then you do have better options to choose who you'd rather bank your miles into.


You could've had mine ;). Very true about the "credit card fraudsters"....Nice job on the lifetime Pat card btw...^^

Let's hope they start opening some space up in F now on the 380 for other Oneworld members.

.....Nice job on the lifetime Pat card btw...^^

Let's hope they start opening some space up in F now on the 380 for other Oneworld members.

I sincerely doubt MH will release F space for Oneworld. It seems they might have learnt something from SQ in restricting F seats to other partner airlines other their own members and may have negotiated with OW as such.

MH had to offer its own FFP members some exclusitivity in redeeming F seats..

Hm... I think there are some issues with F award space. If you do a search for MH F on avois redemption it shows economy. I checked KVS for the same dates/flights and it shows "YS4 CS4 YS9". I am guessing the "YS4" is really supposed to be F?

I noticed the same thing.

This is an issue with the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Engine. Please upgrade to KVS Tool V7.1.5.R1 to ensure proper display:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.1.5/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld] (http://www.KVSTool.com/)
LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
KUL Kuala Lumpur Metro / Intl MY = KUL SZB [WMKK]
FRI 01 Nov 2013

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- -------------
MH 3 LHR 10:50 KUL 07:10 +1 FS1 CS2 YS7
MH 1 LHR 22:00 KUL 18:20 +1 FS1 CS1 YS8
BA 25 LHR 18:40 HKG 14:20 +1 YS9
-> CX 729 HKG 16:05 +1 KUL 19:55 +1 YS9

Hi I just noticed when I was booking a LAN flight that MH Enrich was not even in their programmes to add for the flight.:td:

Hi I just noticed when I was booking a LAN flight that MH Enrich was not even in their programmes to add for the flight.:td:

LA and MH system link up is scheduled for April 1. :( I assume you need to do manual credit prior to that.

Hi I just noticed when I was booking a LAN flight that MH Enrich was not even in their programmes to add for the flight.:td:

LA and MH system link up is scheduled for April 1. :( I assume you need to do manual credit prior to that.

No credit before 01APR.


Because of an impending upgrade to LAN's frequent flyer information technology system, members of Malaysia Airlines' Enrich and LAN's LANPASS programmes will experience reciprocal frequent flyer rewards and benefits when flying on each other's airlines from 1 April 2013.


http://www.oneworld.com/news-information/oneworldnews/details/?objectID=53800

Just a note of personal experience. I flew a few MH flights recently, all regional on 737-800 in J.
While the aircraft is not the best and I wish they had bigger planes on those routes, I must say that MH makes it feel as if they had always been part of oneworld. They know the rules and apply them diligently.
I am OW Emerald and was granted access to the F lounge without any hesitation and when checking in at KUL, you can go to the F check in where there was never anybody else when I checked in.
I'll say congratulation to MH on a good handling of that.

Now my miles have not posted yet, but I am hearing from others that appart from being slow, they do come in correctly.

Cheers. MH is a great addition to OW! I can't wait for my flight on the A380 in F this summer!

Just a note of personal experience. I flew a few MH flights recently, all regional on 737-800 in J.
While the aircraft is not the best and I wish they had bigger planes on those routes, I must say that MH makes it feel as if they had always been part of oneworld. They know the rules and apply them diligently.
I am OW Emerald and was granted access to the F lounge without any hesitation and when checking in at KUL, you can go to the F check in where there was never anybody else when I checked in.
I'll say congratulation to MH on a good handling of that.

Now my miles have not posted yet, but I am hearing from others that appart from being slow, they do come in correctly.

Cheers. MH is a great addition to OW! I can't wait for my flight on the A380 in F this summer!

Did you clock your miles into AA? Any experience clocking to CX? How long it will take?

Just a note of personal experience. I flew a few MH flights recently, all regional on 737-800 in J.
While the aircraft is not the best and I wish they had bigger planes on those routes, I must say that MH makes it feel as if they had always been part of oneworld. They know the rules and apply them diligently.
I am OW Emerald and was granted access to the F lounge without any hesitation and when checking in at KUL, you can go to the F check in where there was never anybody else when I checked in.
I'll say congratulation to MH on a good handling of that.

Now my miles have not posted yet, but I am hearing from others that appart from being slow, they do come in correctly.

Cheers. MH is a great addition to OW! I can't wait for my flight on the A380 in F this summer!

Did you book using miles? If so, what miles, Avios? I have a bunch of avios that I want to use on MH F but im not sure how to go about it. I want to fly LHR-KUL return on the A380 and my dates are flexible for the whole year.

Did you clock your miles into AA? Any experience clocking to CX? How long it will take?
Yes it I put them into AA and they have showed up. It took about 5 days.
Did you book using miles? If so, what miles, Avios? I have a bunch of avios that I want to use on MH F but im not sure how to go about it. I want to fly LHR-KUL return on the A380 and my dates are flexible for the whole year.
I am using a paid ticket. Maybe you can call BA to try to book?

Did you book using miles? If so, what miles, Avios? I have a bunch of avios that I want to use on MH F but im not sure how to go about it. I want to fly LHR-KUL return on the A380 and my dates are flexible for the whole year.

Fly from CDG and return to LHR. You'd save on the ADP.
Like DeltaFlyingProf said, you'd have to call in to book if online doesn't allow you to book.
Beware of the YQ of course!

I just got off the MH flight from CDG. Am now in KUL domestic lounge.

Wow. What an experience!

All I can say is that MH deserves its place in the OW alliance. The flight was amazing. From service, food and entertainment. Forget what some people say that MH lacked in the soft product. No lack there.

To understand the service attitude is to understand the Malaysian way of life. I felt very at home on MH. I was treated like an old family friend. It was nice.

TR with lots of piccies to follow!

I just got off the MH flight from CDG. Am now in KUL domestic lounge.

Wow. What an experience!

TR with lots of piccies to follow!

Were you in F? Look forward to your TR ^