All Nippon Airways Mileage Club - Italy Business Value Special

ANA now has an amazing business fare from Italy to Japan: RT EUR 2399 via MUC/FRA, travel to be completed by Sep. 9.
Can anyone tell me what booking class this would be in? And, even though it says its non-upgradeable, would this in theory be upgradeable to First for DIAs using double upgrade points?

Good to see another DIA on the NH forum!

ANA now has an amazing business fare from Italy to Japan: RT EUR 2399 via MUC/FRA, travel to be completed by Sep. 9.
Can anyone tell me what booking class this would be in? And, even though it says its non-upgradeable, would this in theory be upgradeable to First for DIAs using double upgrade points?

That is a good deal -- unfortunately it does book into P class, but yes, as a DIA can upgrade it to F for double points. The question is: do you really want to spend 28 points to upgrade? Business Staggered out of FRA is really not bad, and you can also ride the 787 if you prefer.

This fare also looks to be valid from AMS, BRU, PRG, WAW, and possibly others. Germany, Austria, France, the UK, and Scandinavia don't seem to be included.

Here are the fare rules for anyone interested:


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Rules
Search: Departing MXP on 12/07/11 for NRT
Fare basis code PNNZEU
Flying NH
Routing via Trans-Siberian
Routing code 01

Rule Category Rule Text
RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
NH BUSINESS CLASS PROMOTIONAL FARES
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY
FROM EUROPE
TO AREA 3.
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN
FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIER$S BEST
JUDGEMENT.
ELIGIBILITY NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
DAY/TIME NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
SEASONALITY NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
FLIGHT APPLICATION IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN EUROPE
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY LH FLIGHT
ANY NH FLIGHT.
OR
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN EUROPE
AND AREA 3
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY LH
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY NH.
ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT
LEAST 21 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 72 HOURS AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 21 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
DUE TO AUTOMATED TICKETING DEADLINE CONTROL
DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE FARE RULE
LAST TICKETING DATE AND THE SYSTEM GENERATED
TICKETING DEADLINE MESSAGE.
THE MORE RESTRICTIVE TICKETING DEADLINE APPLIES.
MINIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM LAST INTERNATIONAL STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE
NO EARLIER THAN 6 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE
ORIGIN.
OR - TRAVEL FROM LAST INTERNATIONAL STOPOVER MUST
COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 1201AM ON THE FIRST SUN
AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
MAXIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
3 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
IF DESIRED RETURN FLIGHT CANNOT BE BOOKED AS DATE
IS OUTSIDE SYSTEM BOOKING RANGE OF 355 DAYS
IN ADVANCE AN ALTERNATIVE FLIGHT MUST BE BOOKED
FOR TICKET ISSUANCE.ANY LATER REBOOKING TO DESIRED
DATE -WITHIN MAXIMUM VALIDITY- IS ONLY POSSIBLE IF
PERMITTED BY FARE NOTE AND REQUIRES REBOOKING FEE
IF APPLICABLE.
STOPOVERS STOPOVERS NOT PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
TRANSFERS UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
UNLESS RESTRICTED BY ROUTING ATTACHED TO FARE
RECORDS.
COMBINATIONS
END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH
NO RESTRICTIONS.
OPEN JAWS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/
LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE
COMPONENT.
PROVIDED -
WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS
-WITHIN JAPAN OR WITHIN EUROPE COMBINATIONS ARE
WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER NH IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
IPRTS - BETWEEN AREA 2-AREA 3 VIA SIBERIA.
WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS
-WITHIN AREA 1/WITHIN AREA 2 OR WITHIN AREA 3
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LX/OS/
SN/LH/NH IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF.
ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER NH
EUROPE/JAPAN IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
IPRTS - BETWEEN AREA 2-AREA 3 VIA SIBERIA.
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LX/OS/
SN/LH/NH IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF.
BLACKOUT DATES NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
SURCHARGES NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/AFTER 01JUL12 AND ON/
BEFORE 31AUG12. ALL TRAVEL MUST BE COMPLETED BY
MIDNIGHT ON 09SEP12.
SALES RESTRICTIONS TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 22MAY12.
PENALTIES CANCELLATIONS

ANY TIME
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
THE FOLLOWING RULES APPLY PER PRICING UNIT.
WHEN COMBINING FARES THE MOST RESTRICTIVE
CANCELLATION CONDITIONS APPLY FOR THE ENTIRE
TICKET.
--------
WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE.
--------
FULL REFUND PERMITTED BEFORE DEPARTURE IN CASE OF
REJECTION OF VISA.
EMBASSY STATEMENT REQUIRED.
--------
REFUND OF UNUSED FEES AND TAXES PERMITTED.
UNLESS APPLICABLE OW/RT FARE PLUS TAXES FOR ACTUAL
TRAVEL IS HIGHER THAN WHOLE ORIGINAL TICKET. IN
THIS CASE NO TAX OR FEE REFUND WILL BE PERMITTED.
--------
THE OPTIONAL PAYMENT CHARGE WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.

CHANGES

ANY TIME
CHANGES NOT PERMITTED.
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE.
--------
THE FOLLOWING RULES APPLY PER FARE COMPONENT
/DIRECTION.
--------
CHANGES NOT PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION/
REROUTING/REBOOKING/MCO ISSUANCE NOT
PERMITTED.
--------
CHANGES NOT PERMITTED IN CASE OF NO SHOW. PLS
REFER TO REFUND SECTION IF APPLICABLE.
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR
STOPOVERS.
TICKET ENDORSEMENTS THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED
- NONREF/FL/CHG RESTRICTED - AND - CHECK FARE NOTE -
IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT
OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 100
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
UNACCOMPANIED CHILD UNDER 5 YEARS OF AGE WILL NOT
BE ACCEPTED FOR CARRIAGE.
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.
AGENT DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.
ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.
MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS NO PROVISIONS APPLY.
FARE BY RULE NOT APPLICABLE.
GROUPS NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
TOURS NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
DEPOSITS NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
VOLUNTARY CHANGES IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
ANYTIME
CHANGES EXCEPT RBD NOT PERMITTED TO THE FARE
COMPONENT.
VOLUNTARY REFUNDS NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND.
NEGOTIATED FARES NOT APPLICABLE.
INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE

Thanks Armagebedar. You are right, 28 points are a lot...I like business staggered, was just curious about the new First. FRA-HND has never worked for me because of the odd and jetlag-prone timing. I am flying the route 5-7 times a year but the next time it's just a weekend trip with one night at NGO and back. Therefore F might help...

Thanks Armagebedar. You are right, 28 points are a lot...I like business staggered, was just curious about the new First. FRA-HND has never worked for me because of the odd and jetlag-prone timing. I am flying the route 5-7 times a year but the next time it's just a weekend trip with one night at NGO and back. Therefore F might help...

Can you share tips on how to look for upgrades from C to F on ANA using *A miles? How generous is ANA about releasing seats? Thanks in advance.

Can you share tips on how to look for upgrades from C to F on ANA using *A miles? How generous is ANA about releasing seats? Thanks in advance.

This question isn't appropriate for this thread -- I suggest you start doing some research on old threads, as this topic has been discussed before. Here's a good starting point: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/all-nippon-airways-mileage-club/1269528-ana-website-search-star-alliance-availability.html

Please note that you can only upgrade C or D fares to F using Star Alliance upgrades -- J, Z, and P fares are non-upgradeable. Also, for Star Alliance partners, NH upgrade availability and NH award availability tends to be the same in my experience.