trebex
May 15, 12, 7:11 am
For those who don't eat chicken or beef, are there always non-meat or fish options on the menu? Or is it better to order a vegetarian meal?
EL AL Matmid - LY Business Meals
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Houminer
May 15, 12, 12:30 pm
There is chicken, beef or fish.
Order a veg meal!
Order a veg meal!
LY777
May 16, 12, 1:18 pm
There is chicken, beef or fish.
Order a veg meal!
What do they serve in veg meal?
I have booked a vegetarian meal octo-ovo for my next flight in C. What to expect?
Order a veg meal!
What do they serve in veg meal?
I have booked a vegetarian meal octo-ovo for my next flight in C. What to expect?
awayIgo
May 16, 12, 3:35 pm
While fish is available as a choice they can always run out. If you are in business you can also order a fish meal in advance! This should guarantee you that option.
LiorM
May 17, 12, 3:12 am
Last week from FRA to TLV
4 Pax in C
They had 2 beef 2 chicken and 1 fish
I didnt think i need to resrev a Fish for a 6500 nis ticket
But I was wrong...the pax before me got it:)
Another funny thing: when i arrived to the airport
I asked to seat alone because i was told there are only 6 pax in C
I was told that all the seats are blooked for the crew!!!!!!!!!
I called the vp station manager and he moved me..
LY is starting with the jokes again like the good old days
The flight to ZRE was done with Swis on the code share
The seats are to big to wide and can be a flat bad..
The food is amaizing
The service is great
The VOD is update
The kit is wonderfull
The metal is 340-300
So why do we fly LY
When will I learn to write in English
LiorM
4 Pax in C
They had 2 beef 2 chicken and 1 fish
I didnt think i need to resrev a Fish for a 6500 nis ticket
But I was wrong...the pax before me got it:)
Another funny thing: when i arrived to the airport
I asked to seat alone because i was told there are only 6 pax in C
I was told that all the seats are blooked for the crew!!!!!!!!!
I called the vp station manager and he moved me..
LY is starting with the jokes again like the good old days
The flight to ZRE was done with Swis on the code share
The seats are to big to wide and can be a flat bad..
The food is amaizing
The service is great
The VOD is update
The kit is wonderfull
The metal is 340-300
So why do we fly LY
When will I learn to write in English
LiorM
joshwex90
May 17, 12, 1:24 pm
LiorM, interesting about LX. I really like their C cabin (really, I do!). But I find the seat one the narrower side and a bit hard. I also don't particularly like their IFE, at least compared to other newer systems.
LiorM
May 17, 12, 9:20 pm
I liked the seat in Swiss and i think it is very wide for a flat bad.
joshwex90
May 18, 12, 1:35 am
I liked the seat in Swiss and i think it is very wide for a flat bad.
You should try UA and US
You should try UA and US
clubman
May 18, 12, 6:51 am
When will I learn to write in English
Funny, I was just wondering the very same thing... ;) :D
Funny, I was just wondering the very same thing... ;) :D
clubman
May 18, 12, 6:58 am
got it:)
So why do we fly LY
Good question, personally I hardly ever do anymore.
The only thing LY have going for them is that on certain routes they are the only ones flying direct and other than that absalutly nothing.
So why do we fly LY
Good question, personally I hardly ever do anymore.
The only thing LY have going for them is that on certain routes they are the only ones flying direct and other than that absalutly nothing.
joshwex90
May 18, 12, 9:02 am
Good question, personally I hardly ever do anymore.
The only thing LY have going for them is that on certain routes they are the only ones flying direct and other than that absalutly nothing.
They also have a competitive advantage to CDG when they're providing an international (albeit crappy) F/C. And on narrowbody routes (except FRA, MUC, and ZRH,) they have much better equipment than the competition. (Though that may be changing to MAD and BRU.)
The only thing LY have going for them is that on certain routes they are the only ones flying direct and other than that absalutly nothing.
They also have a competitive advantage to CDG when they're providing an international (albeit crappy) F/C. And on narrowbody routes (except FRA, MUC, and ZRH,) they have much better equipment than the competition. (Though that may be changing to MAD and BRU.)
clubman
May 18, 12, 9:30 am
They also have a competitive advantage to CDG when they're providing an international (albeit crappy) F/C.True.
(except FRA, MUC, and ZRH,)And VIE (At least at times when OS fly 767s on the route).
(Though that may be changing to MAD and BRU.)What do you mean?
(except FRA, MUC, and ZRH,)And VIE (At least at times when OS fly 767s on the route).
(Though that may be changing to MAD and BRU.)What do you mean?
joshwex90
May 20, 12, 5:49 am
And VIE (At least at times when OS fly 767s on the route).
How often do they have that? My friend, who lives in Vienna and commutes to Israel, says he usually flies LY or LH via FRA because he hates OS.
What do you mean?
IB and SN are upgrading their short-haul C cabin to respectable standards.
How often do they have that? My friend, who lives in Vienna and commutes to Israel, says he usually flies LY or LH via FRA because he hates OS.
What do you mean?
IB and SN are upgrading their short-haul C cabin to respectable standards.
clubman
May 20, 12, 6:35 am
How often do they have that?At the moment every day, twice a day, though the winter schedule is currently showing to be operated with the S/H aircraft again.
IB and SN are upgrading their short-haul C cabin to respectable standards.
IB already has, and been operating with it (Business club) on the TLV route for a while now.
It's a nice product as well, certainly beats LY's S/H business.
As for SN I didn't know that, but good news!
IB and SN are upgrading their short-haul C cabin to respectable standards.
IB already has, and been operating with it (Business club) on the TLV route for a while now.
It's a nice product as well, certainly beats LY's S/H business.
As for SN I didn't know that, but good news!
joshwex90
May 20, 12, 6:38 am
At the moment every day, twice a day, though the winter schedule is currently showing to be operated with the S/H aircraft again.
IB already has, and been operating with it (Business club) on the TLV route for a while now.
It's a nice product as well, certainly beats LY's S/H business.
As for SN I didn't know that, but good news!
Ah, didn't realize IB already deployed their new C. Looked nice.
For SN, I sat in a prototype seat in their lounge in BRU, and was pretty comfortable. Should open up more options for *A flyers in TLV.
IB already has, and been operating with it (Business club) on the TLV route for a while now.
It's a nice product as well, certainly beats LY's S/H business.
As for SN I didn't know that, but good news!
Ah, didn't realize IB already deployed their new C. Looked nice.
For SN, I sat in a prototype seat in their lounge in BRU, and was pretty comfortable. Should open up more options for *A flyers in TLV.
GMill
May 20, 12, 7:40 pm
All the posters in El Al threads about meals should indicate whether or not they restrict themselves to kosher meals.
Waxing eloquent about competing airlines' treif is not really helpful to many El Al fliers.
Waxing eloquent about competing airlines' treif is not really helpful to many El Al fliers.
mikebg
May 21, 12, 1:01 am
All the posters in El Al threads about meals should indicate whether or not they restrict themselves to kosher meals.
Waxing eloquent about competing airlines' treif is not really helpful to many El Al fliers.
Why not? There is no reason in the world for EL AL's own kosher offerings to be so much lower quality than their competitors' - even if the competitors meals are not kosher. This applies in particular to the First Class meals (and their quite pathetic wine selection).
Waxing eloquent about competing airlines' treif is not really helpful to many El Al fliers.
Why not? There is no reason in the world for EL AL's own kosher offerings to be so much lower quality than their competitors' - even if the competitors meals are not kosher. This applies in particular to the First Class meals (and their quite pathetic wine selection).
joshwex90
May 21, 12, 5:51 am
Why not? There is no reason in the world for EL AL's own kosher offerings to be so much lower quality than their competitors' - even if the competitors meals are not kosher. This applies in particular to the First Class meals (and their quite pathetic wine selection).
Correct. While I don't eat non Kosher, I have gone to many nice restaurants with non-Kosher eating friends, who have remarked that the meals were some of the best they've ever had. Kosher means restrictions on what can be used. It doesn't mean restrictions on taste.
So granted, LY can't serve a meat meal and then have ice cream or cheese for dessert. But give something else. Kosher wines (Israeli wines specifically) consistently win gold medals around the world against top non-Kosher wines from France, Spain, Italy, etc.
Unless you MUST have an ice cream sundae and/or fancy cheeses after a meat meal, no reason LY can't have the absolute best meals (if they bothered to try to).
Correct. While I don't eat non Kosher, I have gone to many nice restaurants with non-Kosher eating friends, who have remarked that the meals were some of the best they've ever had. Kosher means restrictions on what can be used. It doesn't mean restrictions on taste.
So granted, LY can't serve a meat meal and then have ice cream or cheese for dessert. But give something else. Kosher wines (Israeli wines specifically) consistently win gold medals around the world against top non-Kosher wines from France, Spain, Italy, etc.
Unless you MUST have an ice cream sundae and/or fancy cheeses after a meat meal, no reason LY can't have the absolute best meals (if they bothered to try to).
may_east
May 21, 12, 3:45 pm
kosher wine has nothing to do with the grapes , but rather paying up your nose to someone to watch our that religious people touch the wine. comes to insane cases that owners cannot work in their wineries because they don't observe the shabat.
and kosher meat does kill some of the taste.
and kosher meat does kill some of the taste.
mikebg
May 22, 12, 1:42 am
kosher wine has nothing to do with the grapes , but rather paying up your nose to someone to watch our that religious people touch the wine. comes to insane cases that owners cannot work in their wineries because they don't observe the shabat.
Whilst you may not keep the rules of kashrut yourself, that is no reason to be offensive to those who do. It is not insane that winery owners cannot handle their own wines if they want them to be kosher. You may not like it, but that does not make it 'insane'. It is the choice of the wineries to become kosher - nobody is compelling them to do so. And by the way, it often does have a good deal to do with the grapes, as many non-kosher wineries in Israel use grapes from vines less then 4 years old which are prohibited for consumption (by biblical law - in fact, one which makes it a more serious kashrut violation than eating pork).
Leaving all these arguments behind, just look up a wine catalogue and see how much bottles of wine served in First Class on other major airlines cost (retail), then take a look at EL AL's meagre offerings. There was a time when they served Castel Grand Vin in EL AL's First Class, but there are plenty of excellent wines they could choose from if they thought it worthwhile, but they just don't. Their Business Class wine list is actually quite reasonable for Business Class, but their First Class offering is just plain ridiculous - one (maybe two) wines not served in Business Class, and not really of a higher quality either.
and kosher meat does kill some of the taste.
That may well be the case, but I don't think it is relevant here. Besides, many non Jewish restaurant critics have heaped praise on a number of kosher restaurants over the world, proving that there is not necessarily a contradiction between kashrut and high class food. In fact, EL AL had an excellent First Class food offering from LHR for a few years (easily matching other major airlines' First Class standards) until they decided that Hermolis was too expensive for them.
Whilst you may not keep the rules of kashrut yourself, that is no reason to be offensive to those who do. It is not insane that winery owners cannot handle their own wines if they want them to be kosher. You may not like it, but that does not make it 'insane'. It is the choice of the wineries to become kosher - nobody is compelling them to do so. And by the way, it often does have a good deal to do with the grapes, as many non-kosher wineries in Israel use grapes from vines less then 4 years old which are prohibited for consumption (by biblical law - in fact, one which makes it a more serious kashrut violation than eating pork).
Leaving all these arguments behind, just look up a wine catalogue and see how much bottles of wine served in First Class on other major airlines cost (retail), then take a look at EL AL's meagre offerings. There was a time when they served Castel Grand Vin in EL AL's First Class, but there are plenty of excellent wines they could choose from if they thought it worthwhile, but they just don't. Their Business Class wine list is actually quite reasonable for Business Class, but their First Class offering is just plain ridiculous - one (maybe two) wines not served in Business Class, and not really of a higher quality either.
and kosher meat does kill some of the taste.
That may well be the case, but I don't think it is relevant here. Besides, many non Jewish restaurant critics have heaped praise on a number of kosher restaurants over the world, proving that there is not necessarily a contradiction between kashrut and high class food. In fact, EL AL had an excellent First Class food offering from LHR for a few years (easily matching other major airlines' First Class standards) until they decided that Hermolis was too expensive for them.
BizFlyin
May 28, 12, 9:48 am
All the posters in El Al threads about meals should indicate whether or not they restrict themselves to kosher meals.
Waxing eloquent about competing airlines' treif is not really helpful to many El Al fliers.
I actually think it's the opposite.
Waxing eloquent about competing airlines' treif is not really helpful to many El Al fliers.
I actually think it's the opposite.
awayIgo
May 31, 12, 2:08 pm
You can't compare El Al Kosher to other airlines. You will NEVER get a fresh salad etc. on other airlines. Their Kosher meals are one complete contained package that has been frozen since..... El Al Kosher ---even in "steerage" can have a salad-- or a fresh tomato or whatever they serve.
joshwex90
May 31, 12, 2:40 pm
You can't compare El Al Kosher to other airlines. You will NEVER get a fresh salad etc. on other airlines. Their Kosher meals are one complete contained package that has been frozen since..... El Al Kosher ---even in "steerage" can have a salad-- or a fresh tomato or whatever they serve.
True, for Kosher eaters, you can only get a truly fresh meal on LY. But that doesn't mean it'll be better.
True, for Kosher eaters, you can only get a truly fresh meal on LY. But that doesn't mean it'll be better.
mikebg
May 31, 12, 4:01 pm
You can't compare El Al Kosher to other airlines. You will NEVER get a fresh salad etc. on other airlines. Their Kosher meals are one complete contained package that has been frozen since..... El Al Kosher ---even in "steerage" can have a salad-- or a fresh tomato or whatever they serve.
Not true. Most international airlines flying out of Heathrow serve FRESH Glatt Kosher Hermolis meals (their factory is not far from the airport). Their Business and First offerings are considerably better than those of EL AL (I mean the regular EL AL, not the Glatt versions). EL AL used to use them for First, but they were too expensive for them ...
Not true. Most international airlines flying out of Heathrow serve FRESH Glatt Kosher Hermolis meals (their factory is not far from the airport). Their Business and First offerings are considerably better than those of EL AL (I mean the regular EL AL, not the Glatt versions). EL AL used to use them for First, but they were too expensive for them ...
economyman
Jun 2, 12, 3:02 pm
Ah, didn't realize IB already deployed their new C. Looked nice.
Yes, I tried it for the first time about 3 months ago and will be using it again next week. Whilst it's no flat-bed it was comfortable enough for me to sleep in for the full short 4 hour hop from MAD to TLV. No one was cramping my legs a.k.a LY style.
Yes, I tried it for the first time about 3 months ago and will be using it again next week. Whilst it's no flat-bed it was comfortable enough for me to sleep in for the full short 4 hour hop from MAD to TLV. No one was cramping my legs a.k.a LY style.
economyman
Jun 2, 12, 3:07 pm
Not true. Most international airlines flying out of Heathrow serve FRESH Glatt Kosher Hermolis meals (their factory is not far from the airport). Their Business and First offerings are considerably better than those of EL AL (I mean the regular EL AL, not the Glatt versions). EL AL used to use them for First, but they were too expensive for them ...
True - as I mentioned in another thread I had an excellent kosher meal in F out of LHR a couple of weeks ago. Hermolis certainly have something to offer in this space. Shame LY don't think so or are unwilling to pay for it.
True - as I mentioned in another thread I had an excellent kosher meal in F out of LHR a couple of weeks ago. Hermolis certainly have something to offer in this space. Shame LY don't think so or are unwilling to pay for it.
LatusElAl
Jun 3, 12, 6:22 am
Well, LY finally changed the dinner menu in Business class ex-TLV.
New main courses last night - first change in nearly 2 years.
No change in the wine selection.
New main courses last night - first change in nearly 2 years.
No change in the wine selection.
clubman
Jun 3, 12, 6:49 am
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And...? Or is the menu a secrate...? ;)
And...? Or is the menu a secrate...? ;)
LatusElAl
Jun 3, 12, 7:25 am
And...? Or is the menu a secrate...? ;)
I assume you mean "secret" . . . .
Don't remember what it was called - but there was Salmon with dumplings . . .
I assume you mean "secret" . . . .
Don't remember what it was called - but there was Salmon with dumplings . . .
clubman
Jun 3, 12, 8:19 am
I assume you mean "secret" . . . .
Yes of course, please forgive the typos (as you can see was typed on my iPhone getting off a flight...).
So did you find it an improvement on the old offering?
Yes of course, please forgive the typos (as you can see was typed on my iPhone getting off a flight...).
So did you find it an improvement on the old offering?
LatusElAl
Jun 3, 12, 6:24 pm
So did you find it an improvement on the old offering?
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hnussbacher
Jun 11, 12, 6:44 am
Just had an excellent BC meal out of TLV going to AMS. From the smoked salmon to the humus to the spring chicken (pergiot in Hebrew) to the chocolate mousse dessert, to the delivery and presentation I could not find anything bad about it and hope Elal continues to do what they are doing here since they are doing it right!
clubman
Jun 11, 12, 7:19 am
I'll have to disagree with you on that one.
While you may have a nice meal this time (and sometimes it is), generly the food has got far worse since they started that whole food enhancement campaign with that chef, and I actually think food was better beforehand.
In addition, while they might not be the only airline doing it, I can't stand that they give you everything on a tray including the main course - unacceptable in C in my book.
I most certainly would not encourage them to continue doing what they are doing, because they are doing so many things wrong, and it's that very attitude that they are so great because people don't know better that makes their CEO come out with stupid statements like we all read about.
While you may have a nice meal this time (and sometimes it is), generly the food has got far worse since they started that whole food enhancement campaign with that chef, and I actually think food was better beforehand.
In addition, while they might not be the only airline doing it, I can't stand that they give you everything on a tray including the main course - unacceptable in C in my book.
I most certainly would not encourage them to continue doing what they are doing, because they are doing so many things wrong, and it's that very attitude that they are so great because people don't know better that makes their CEO come out with stupid statements like we all read about.
badatz
Jun 14, 12, 3:23 am
Just had an excellent BC meal out of TLV going to AMS. From the smoked salmon to the humus to the spring chicken (pergiot in Hebrew) to the chocolate mousse dessert, to the delivery and presentation I could not find anything bad about it and hope Elal continues to do what they are doing here since they are doing it right!
While this has nothing to do with El Al directly, a "spring chicken" is not "pergiot" in Hebrew
Spring chicken is usually a half of a chicken served whole with the wing, breast, thigh and drumstick in one piece. (at least that's how they call it in NY)
Pergiot or actually Pargiot in Israel is the meat of the thigh taken off the bone and flattened out like a steak or breast before cooking
While this has nothing to do with El Al directly, a "spring chicken" is not "pergiot" in Hebrew
Spring chicken is usually a half of a chicken served whole with the wing, breast, thigh and drumstick in one piece. (at least that's how they call it in NY)
Pergiot or actually Pargiot in Israel is the meat of the thigh taken off the bone and flattened out like a steak or breast before cooking
awayIgo
Jun 14, 12, 3:37 pm
I'll agree with clubman--the quality and selections have gone down since they got that new chef. RE: serving the whole meal at once versus first the appetizer. The tray size has stayed the same. It used to be the whole meal didn't fit on the tray. Now it does!
TWA884
Jun 14, 12, 3:51 pm
While this has nothing to do with El Al directly, a "spring chicken" is not "pergiot" in Hebrew
Spring chicken is usually a half of a chicken served whole with the wing, breast, thigh and drumstick in one piece. (at least that's how they call it in NY)
Pergiot or actually Pargiot in Israel is the meat of the thigh taken off the bone and flattened out like a steak or breast before cooking
Fully realizing that the term פרגיות is currently used in Israel to describe boneless thigh meat, the proper translation (http://morfix.nana10.co.il/en/%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%92%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA) of the word פרגית (singular) is pullet.
Spring chicken is usually a half of a chicken served whole with the wing, breast, thigh and drumstick in one piece. (at least that's how they call it in NY)
Pergiot or actually Pargiot in Israel is the meat of the thigh taken off the bone and flattened out like a steak or breast before cooking
Fully realizing that the term פרגיות is currently used in Israel to describe boneless thigh meat, the proper translation (http://morfix.nana10.co.il/en/%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%92%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA) of the word פרגית (singular) is pullet.
45128
Jun 14, 12, 4:17 pm
Fully realizing that the term פרגיות is currently used in Israel to describe boneless thigh meat, the proper translation (http://morfix.nana10.co.il/en/%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%92%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA) of the word פרגית (singular) is pullet.
Nuts!! You beat me to it!
Nuts!! You beat me to it!
BizFlyin
Jun 15, 12, 1:18 am
Nuts!! You beat me to it!
Thanks, always wondered how to translate the one!
PS: It's delicious.
Thanks, always wondered how to translate the one!
PS: It's delicious.
45128
Jun 15, 12, 3:34 am
Thanks, always wondered how to translate the one!
PS: It's delicious.
Don't thank me; TW884 is your man.
PS: It's delicious.
Don't thank me; TW884 is your man.
mikebg
Jun 15, 12, 2:07 pm
As of the beginning of June, EL AL have begun a major transformation of the First Class menu. It has started with the breakfast, with other meals following in the late Autumn. They have completely removed tray service, which I have complained about from when it was introduced a few years ago. I don't know about business class though. Fom what we had on 5th June on LY027 (TLV-EWR) it is a major improvement, with a very wide choice of dishes and very elegant presentation. About time?
dg252
Jun 21, 12, 6:24 am
Does anyone know what meal (i.e. breakfast or lunch, chalavi or basari) is served on LY315 at this time of year (departs TLV at 10.15am and arrives LHR at 1.35pm)?
mikebg
Jun 21, 12, 10:33 am
Does anyone know what meal (i.e. breakfast or lunch, chalavi or basari) is served on LY315 at this time of year (departs TLV at 10.15am and arrives LHR at 1.35pm)?
Another EL AL crazy, IMHO! They used to serve breakfast. They now serve lunch, which is I think, quite ridiculous as UK time is 2 hours behind Israeli time and you are meant to adjust to the time zone you are arriving at, not to where you have left - even in Israel, you will be served a meat meal at about 11:30 am, which I think is ridiculous.
The crews told me that the passengers were always split 50-50 on this one, so I would have left things as they were.
Another EL AL crazy, IMHO! They used to serve breakfast. They now serve lunch, which is I think, quite ridiculous as UK time is 2 hours behind Israeli time and you are meant to adjust to the time zone you are arriving at, not to where you have left - even in Israel, you will be served a meat meal at about 11:30 am, which I think is ridiculous.
The crews told me that the passengers were always split 50-50 on this one, so I would have left things as they were.