All Nippon Airways Mileage Club - Tokyo Narita - Seattle starting 25JUL12 with 777-300ER

ANA on 25APR12 announced it'll start Tokyo Narita - Seattle service, on board Boeing 777-300ER aircraft. Service operates daily. Planned Boeing 787 operation remains pending.

NH1078 NRT1725 – 1055SEA 77W D
NH1077 SEA1315 – 1545+1NRT 77W D

http://airlineroute.net/2012/04/25/nh-sea-jul12/

Just got an email from SEA about this. Says that plans are still for flights to shift to the 788 'in late 2012'.

Will be interesting to see how the heavy J configuration on the 77W works for them, and how long they will take to go from C85Y162 to C46Y112.

UA surely can't be too happy about this.

Official announcement from ANA:

English: http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press/2012/120425.html
Japanese: http://www.ana.co.jp/pr/12_0406/12-010.html

Just got an email from SEA about this. Says that plans are still for flights to shift to the 788 'in late 2012'.

Will be interesting to see how the heavy J configuration on the 77W works for them, and how long they will take to go from C85Y162 to C46Y112.

UA surely can't be too happy about this.

C85 and Y162 fit with the old Club ANA layout on a 777; meaning they are selling 8 F seats as C, and the PY as Y? Guess this is just one of the spares they have rather than from expanding the routes flown by new configuration 77W?

Ooooh. I think getting to NRT via SEA on *A award is going to be really easy for a while. :D

I hope this eventually means the end of UA on this route.

The fares are loaded into the ANA system.

Seems pricey though.

I hope this eventually means the end of UA on this route.

But wouldn't you want to fly on UA metal since you are a 2P? :p

C85 and Y162 fit with the old Club ANA layout on a 777; meaning they are selling 8 F seats as C, and the PY as Y? Guess this is just one of the spares they have rather than from expanding the routes flown by new configuration 77W?

From 25JUL12 to 21AUG12, NRT SEA operated by 77W with ANA Business Class Staggered (C60Y202).

From 22AUG12, service operates by normal 777-300ER (777) with Club ANA Seats C85Y162.

F sold as C, PY sold as Y (the 77W does not have PY)

Long story short I am flying to Seattle then flying the Seattle-Tokyo route in Business in December. Any comments on what it is going to be like (especially weather,airport lounge, and possible delays during the winter) because I have never flown through Seattle before or on Ana for that matter.

From 25JUL12 to 21AUG12, NRT SEA operated by 77W with ANA Business Class Staggered (C60Y202).

From 22AUG12, service operates by normal 777-300ER (777) with Club ANA Seats C85Y162.

Interesting. I guess they don't want to launch a new route with old style seating, that wouldn't look good in the media and not help to persuade flyers to switch.
As they don't have any spare 77W, that means either they are converting a new one that will then go on other routes after 21st Aug, or they are temporarily substituting one from routes currently using the latest layouts.

But wouldn't you want to fly on UA metal since you are a 2P? :p

That's right & play E+ lottery!

LAX

Long story short I am flying to Seattle then flying the Seattle-Tokyo route in Business in December. Any comments on what it is going to be like (especially weather,airport lounge, and possible delays during the winter) because I have never flown through Seattle before or on Ana for that matter.

I've flown several times a year from SEA to Asia since I moved to SEA in 2008. Only had one serious weather delay in that time. Weather in December is usually above freezing and snow around the city (including the airport) is rare and if it appears melts very quickly.

ANA doesnt have a lounge or any other presence here now that I know of. As a member of * Alliance I assume you'll have access to the UA club. UA club is serviceable and quiet but no big shakes.

I'm a bit envious as I'd love to fly ANA especially when the start the 787 service.

Have a great flight!

Does this mean 8 first squares are being sold as C when the 77W is running that route?

Does this mean 8 first squares are being sold as C when the 77W is running that route?

Yes :)

ANA Americas announced special fares on SEA flight

http://www.ana-emailnews.com/expressSeattle2012/eng2.html

There's something really weird with the block times on this flight right now.. NH has NRT-SEA blocked at 9h30 while UA is at 8h42.. in the summer this flight is often just under 8 hours in-flight. Not sure what NH is thinking?

UA876 NRT 1655 SEA 0937 (8:42)
NH1078 NRT 1725 SEA 1055 (9:30)

Return is padded as well:

UA875 SEA 1309 NRT 1510+1 (10:01)
NH1077 SEA 1315 NRT 1545+1 (10:30)

Anyone have an idea of what gate this will use at SEA? I can't imagine N concourse has room for a second 777 with all the gates having been given over to AS, so lounge access will be interesting.

MNL is a steal. I can't see anywhere else that is. Anyway else?

What dates are u looking at for MNL?

SIN is pricey.

Interesting. I guess they don't want to launch a new route with old style seating, that wouldn't look good in the media and not help to persuade flyers to switch.
As they don't have any spare 77W, that means either they are converting a new one that will then go on other routes after 21st Aug, or they are temporarily substituting one from routes currently using the latest layouts.

I was told by an ANA employee in SFO this past week that this information is wrong. The SEA flight will be launched with the OLD seats, however it is true that C will be put into old F and YP into old C. The idea is that the 787 is two class and they don't want to "confuse" folks by selling tri-cabin when ultimately the new bird will be two cabin.

Conflicting information... gotta love it. Reminds me more of UA than NH!

I was told by an ANA employee in SFO this past week that this information is wrong. The SEA flight will be launched with the OLD seats, however it is true that C will be put into old F and YP into old C. The idea is that the 787 is two class and they don't want to "confuse" folks by selling tri-cabin when ultimately the new bird will be two cabin.

Conflicting information... gotta love it. Reminds me more of UA than NH!

They will put PY in 787 later

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/all-nippon-airways-mileage-club/1330157-ana-announced-new-premium-economy-seats-enhanced-service.html

I was told by an ANA employee in SFO this past week that this information is wrong. The SEA flight will be launched with the OLD seats, however it is true that C will be put into old F and YP into old C. The idea is that the 787 is two class and they don't want to "confuse" folks by selling tri-cabin when ultimately the new bird will be two cabin.

Conflicting information... gotta love it. Reminds me more of UA than NH!


ANA employee in SFO is "wrong". Internal system is showing "77W", the new inflight product from 25JUL12 to 21AUG12. You don't reconfigure a 777 with old seats just for one month only.

Either way - special fares or not, I'm happy to see ANA on this route. More options for across the pond is a good thing as far as I am concerned.

Does this mean 8 first squares are being sold as C when the 77W is running that route?

So who gets these seats? Full C? NH Elites? First Come First Served? Looked at a dummy revenue booking in C and F seats were occupied/blocked.

I am hoping to book as an award for April 2013 travel, United.com lists as 777-200. ANA seat map shows 77W with club ANA. Will it change to 788 by then? Looked at the 788 seat map and looks like it is terrible for traveling with companions, though I'm sure service will make up for that.

So who gets these seats? Full C? NH Elites? First Come First Served? Looked at a dummy revenue booking in C and F seats were occupied/blocked.

I am hoping to book as an award for April 2013 travel, United.com lists as 777-200. ANA seat map shows 77W with club ANA. Will it change to 788 by then? Looked at the 788 seat map and looks like it is terrible for traveling with companions, though I'm sure service will make up for that.

Eventually this route will be operated by 787 by late-2012. The Business class on 787 is no different than 77W operating from 25JUL12 to 21AUG12.

Either way - special fares or not, I'm happy to see ANA on this route. More options for across the pond is a good thing as far as I am concerned.

Are you referring the Pacific as the pond? Or did you think NH flies from SEA to Europe?

LAX

Just booked myself onto the inaugural flight NRT-SEA. Hope it is filled with goodies!

I'm looking at an award ticket on either 20 or 21 August on this route. When you guys say "Club" seats, you mean the new Inspiration of Japan flat seats?

Thanks!

I'm looking at an award ticket on either 20 or 21 August on this route. When you guys say "Club" seats, you mean the new Inspiration of Japan flat seats?

Thanks!

Club ANA are the old angled lie flat seats.

http://www.jtbusa.com/en/tour/luxuryescapes/img/services/ana-b2.jpg

http://www.jtbusa.com/en/tour/luxuryescapes/img/services/ana-b1.jpg

Club ANA are the old angled lie flat seats.

http://www.jtbusa.com/en/tour/luxuryescapes/img/services/ana-b2.jpg

http://www.jtbusa.com/en/tour/luxuryescapes/img/services/ana-b1.jpg

Ah ok thanks, so I want to avoid those! I think the 77W has the new seats...

Ah ok thanks, so I want to avoid those! I think the 77W has the new seats...

For reference the new J product is referred to as Staggered :)

Ah ok thanks, so I want to avoid those! I think the 77W has the new seats...

77W has the new seats, with Inspiration of Japan products, which will fly from 25JUL12 to 21AUG12. Also, ANA has listed following dates to be operated by 77W: 14SEP12 - 19SEP12, 22OCT12 - 27OCT12

http://www.ana.co.jp/int/airinfo/promotion/seattle_line/

I recently checked tickets on NH from DEN to MNL for dates in December. I'd like to go via SEA both ways but the inbound schedule showed the return flight from NRT to SEA as being an hour longer in duration than the outbound SEA-NRT one, resulting in a long layover and a connection to DEN that wouldn't arrive there until 6:15 PM. In contrast, going via LAX on the return gets me to DEN at 4:18 PM. Having compared to UA's schedules, this is not making much sense to me. Does it really take less time to go SEA-NRT than NRT-SEA in the winter or did NH manage to mess up their schedule somehow?

I recently checked tickets on NH from DEN to MNL for dates in December. I'd like to go via SEA both ways but the inbound schedule showed the return flight from NRT to SEA as being an hour longer in duration than the outbound SEA-NRT one, resulting in a long layover and a connection to DEN that wouldn't arrive there until 6:15 PM. In contrast, going via LAX on the return gets me to DEN at 4:18 PM. Having compared to UA's schedules, this is not making much sense to me. Does it really take less time to go SEA-NRT than NRT-SEA in the winter or did NH manage to mess up their schedule somehow?

See my post #17 above. I think NH has managed to mess up their schedules. I am wondering if it's related to slot availability to US customs... will be interesting to see if this flight often departs late from NRT.

Anyone know when ANA will fly their Boeing-787 on their SEA-NRT routing ? Inititally, they will use Boeing-777 300 on their first few flights commencing July 25, 2012

Welcome to Flyertalk, Armarmho2012. I am moving your thread to the ANA Forum for discussion.
Please follow there...
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Welcome to the ANA/AMC forum.

There has been no official announcement; once there is, it will be posted here.

Question that i can't figure out, and I'm hoping those here might be in the know.

In the wee hours of Nov. 4th in the US, times fall back an hour as daylight savings times end. For most flights that I see US-NRT on ANA's site (using timetable, so shows ANA and UA operated flights), flights leave an hour earlier, and arrive at NRT at the same time. The exception seems to be for ORD, which departs ORD at the same time, and arrives an hour later.

However, SEA seems to show the same times throughout the time change. Looking up the schedule on ANA's website, for example, UA flight leaves at 13:20 arriving at 16:00 next day through Nov. 3, then moves an hour earlier after time jumps back, leaving at 12:20, arriving same time. However, on the schedule, ANA flight is shown leaving at 13:15 and arriving at 15:45 both before and after the time change. I highly suspect that ANA can't really fly an hour quicker after this date.

I'm looking for flights in Dec, with connections at both ends, so an hour could make a difference. Anyone know which way this will change. I suspect a lot of people could be affected if booking flights with inaccurate connection times.

Just got off the flight in business class. Lots of fan fare at NRT, with cheerleaders, dignitaries, and free Starbucks. Upon boarding, we received a commemorative Starbucks mug with ANA NRT-SEA markings. We also got a sticker, postcards, and a photo taken. Water salute upon landing.

Looks like this NH1077 will be departing Seattle from S16.

The flight attendants and pilots must be happy, new layover destination with good summer weather.
Hope they get a nice hotel.

Is it know at this point which day the 787 takes over the route? All the press today simply said "October". I am booked on this flight during the second week of October - could be pretty cool!

Is it know at this point which day the 787 takes over the route? All the press today simply said "October". I am booked on this flight during the second week of October - could be pretty cool!

nothing in the schedules yet at all. Been waiting for it to be released.

Question that i can't figure out, and I'm hoping those here might be in the know.

In the wee hours of Nov. 4th in the US, times fall back an hour as daylight savings times end. For most flights that I see US-NRT on ANA's site (using timetable, so shows ANA and UA operated flights), flights leave an hour earlier, and arrive at NRT at the same time. The exception seems to be for ORD, which departs ORD at the same time, and arrives an hour later.

However, SEA seems to show the same times throughout the time change. Looking up the schedule on ANA's website, for example, UA flight leaves at 13:20 arriving at 16:00 next day through Nov. 3, then moves an hour earlier after time jumps back, leaving at 12:20, arriving same time. However, on the schedule, ANA flight is shown leaving at 13:15 and arriving at 15:45 both before and after the time change. I highly suspect that ANA can't really fly an hour quicker after this date.

I'm looking for flights in Dec, with connections at both ends, so an hour could make a difference. Anyone know which way this will change. I suspect a lot of people could be affected if booking flights with inaccurate connection times.

cause they have not yet set a time change for schedules after that date. I was playing around with yesterday and they havent changed anything after this time, so in my mind it could possibly point to the start of the 787 schedule sometime in there, r they just havent done a thing about it.

Anyone know when ANA will fly their Boeing-787 on their SEA-NRT routing ? Inititally, they will use Boeing-777 300 on their first few flights commencing July 25, 2012

Nothing yet released.

cause they have not yet set a time change for schedules after that date. I was playing around with yesterday and they havent changed anything after this time, so in my mind it could possibly point to the start of the 787 schedule sometime in there, r they just havent done a thing about it.

ANA won't release their October-March schedules for another few weeks.

Question that i can't figure out, and I'm hoping those here might be in the know.

In the wee hours of Nov. 4th in the US, times fall back an hour as daylight savings times end. For most flights that I see US-NRT on ANA's site (using timetable, so shows ANA and UA operated flights), flights leave an hour earlier, and arrive at NRT at the same time. The exception seems to be for ORD, which departs ORD at the same time, and arrives an hour later.

However, SEA seems to show the same times throughout the time change. Looking up the schedule on ANA's website, for example, UA flight leaves at 13:20 arriving at 16:00 next day through Nov. 3, then moves an hour earlier after time jumps back, leaving at 12:20, arriving same time. However, on the schedule, ANA flight is shown leaving at 13:15 and arriving at 15:45 both before and after the time change. I highly suspect that ANA can't really fly an hour quicker after this date.

I'm looking for flights in Dec, with connections at both ends, so an hour could make a difference. Anyone know which way this will change. I suspect a lot of people could be affected if booking flights with inaccurate connection times.

cause they have not yet set a time change for schedules after that date. I was playing around with yesterday and they havent changed anything after this time, so in my mind it could possibly point to the start of the 787 schedule sometime in there, r they just havent done a thing about it.

Perhaps. But it does show changes based on time differences for other US routes (ones i checked) which is why I am confused. ORD, for example, goes from a 14:00 to 15:00 arrival, and LAX/SFO flights depart 1 hour earlier.

I am flying from SEA-NRT on end of Oct, hope it might change to 787 by then. Otherwise, 777-300ER Staggered is better than none, but if they only give us the old ANA Club seating, then it is really too bad.

Hello Everyone. I am just trying to get some information and suggestions... I'm starting to plan a trip to NRT and considering a couple of options...
1. NH SEA-NRT 787
or
2. SQ LAX-NRT A380

This trip will be in a year or so but just curious if there are any initial thoughts. I'd LOVE to fly on the Dreamliner and so therefore consider ANA as an option. I post here to to get your thoughts on the best spot for two adults and what will be about a 9 month old infant.

For many years I've been one of those guys that always gets frustrated when a child is in Business Class and disturbs other passengers... but now that we have our first on the way and we still intend to travel, I want to disturb my fellow travelers as LITTLE as possible, while at the same time traveling in comfort on NH J or SQ J.

Does the 787 have any J bassinet locations? Do you think just sitting at the back of the J cabin would be the best option?

I've never flown on NH so any thoughts on how the FA's handle infants would be welcomed too. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Thank You.

Does the 787 have any J bassinet locations? Do you think just sitting at the back of the J cabin would be the best option?

There are baby bed fixtures at rows 1 and 6, I believe. If you call NH they will give you priority and assign you a seat with one. They need to arrange to load a baby bed so it would be best to call in advance (or let them know when you make your reservation).

I've never flown on NH so any thoughts on how the FA's handle infants would be welcomed too. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Thank You.

NH CAs are very good with infants and children -- I often see them handing out toys and talking to irritated or crying children on both domestic and international routes.

In the wee hours of Nov. 4th in the US, times fall back an hour as daylight savings times end.
...

However, SEA seems to show the same times throughout the time change. ...
However, on the schedule, ANA flight is shown leaving at 13:15 and arriving at 15:45 both before and after the time change.
...



I just received a reschedule notice from UA - appears the NH flight is now retimed for the end of DST, departing at 11:55am. Arrival into NRT remains the same - 3:45pm.

I was on the 26th July flight from NRT to SEA, didn't notice anything special, except they gave out leftover stickers with NRT-SEA JULY 25, 2012 logo's on them. Service in C was OK,, Nothing special.. Food was upgraded. I also had a snack somewhere before landing. Burger and salad. Ordered Mimosa, but they said they ran out, but then she served me a glass of champagne and separate glass of OJ.. Seats were much better then old angled flat seats. TV had very slow touchscreen response, stick with the remote.

SEA-NRT on 7/28 was very empty. VERY empty.

I finally managed to access my seatmap for mid-October. Plane is listed as 777-300ER/200. The seat map shows 2-3-2 of non-staggered seats. Probably too early to know about the 787 changeover, but does this current seat map indicate the older business class seats? I am in row 3 and it appears rows 1 and 2 may be the unsold F cabin?

You are correct. You can try to ask for a seat in the F cabin at check in but these are typically allocated to full-fare C or NH elites first. Though if the flight is as empty as chexfan claims...

NH CAs are very good with infants and children -- I often see them handing out toys and talking to irritated or crying children on both domestic and international routes.

Seconded.

On our last domestic flight with the little one (5 months old at the time), she was an angel until we were on final approach, and then she lost it for some reason and started crying. As we were trying to calm her down, a matter of a few seconds later (!) a CA came hopping over from the galley with a makeshift rattle consisting of a paper cup containing a few wrapped sweets, with a plastic lid and a cute smiley face drawn on the side. A+ for effort. ^ And this was in domestic Y on a 777 with 500 people on board, mind you...

I'm confused by this seat map. Are all of the 777-300's upgraded to staggered business class, or is the 2-3-2 indicative of the old style business class on my flight?

I'm confused by this seat map. Are all of the 777-300's upgraded to staggered business class, or is the 2-3-2 indicative of the old style business class on my flight?

2-3-2 is old style Club ANA business class with the angled seat.

The business staggered equipment is being swapped off from the end of August, though some dates may get new equipment later as well. ANA still have a number (8?) of 777-300ER with the old style cabin.

It has been suggested that a 787 will take over from sometime in October - not sure if the exact timing has been suggested yet. A new international config ANA 787 rolled out of the factory well over a month ago, although it hasn't had flight tests yet, but it's due to be delivered at the end of the end of August - it could be early in October rather than later that a 787 takes on NRT-SEA. So you could get lucky. But with the way the 787 programme keeps hitting more delays, I wouldn't count on it

From ANA's Facebook posting today indicates NRT-SEA 787 operation can start anytime between now and March 2013!

ANA is due to launch new 787 services from Tokyo to Seattle and San Jose on the US West Coast in the current fiscal year ending March, 2013. Stay tuned for the latest updates, flyers!

Does ANA plan to introduce 787 on both routes together?

From ANA's Facebook posting today indicates NRT-SEA 787 operation can start anytime between now and March 2013!

That narrows it down quite a bit then, eh?!

SEA-NRT on 7/28 was very empty. VERY empty.

Just wait for it...with loads like this UA's SEA-NRT will be cut ASAP. And if DL gets SEA-HND I wouldnt expect ANA to stick around SEA too long either. Ichiro is gone as well...very bad timings.

Just wait for it...with loads like this UA's SEA-NRT will be cut ASAP. And if DL gets SEA-HND I wouldnt expect ANA to stick around SEA too long either. Ichiro is gone as well...very bad timings.

I won't be surprised if UA ends up cutting SEA-NRT on its own metal & just codeshares on NH metal. BTW, will DL's planned SEA-HND be replacing or in addition to its existing SEA-NRT?

LAX

I won't be surprised if UA ends up cutting SEA-NRT on its own metal & just codeshares on NH metal. BTW, will DL's planned SEA-HND be replacing or in addition to its existing SEA-NRT?

LAX

It would be in addition. Yields are going to suffer if awarded. UA, NH, DL on SEA-NRT in addition to DL SEA-HND is WAY too much for SEA to handle. UA will probably hand SEA-NRT over to NH. The frame can be better utilized elsewhere such as starting a 2nd daily LAX-NRT or SFO-NRT. Or possibly starting PDX-NRT.

It would be in addition. Yields are going to suffer if awarded. UA, NH, DL on SEA-NRT in addition to DL SEA-HND is WAY too much for SEA to handle.

Not to mention DL's SEA-KIX flight which is probably drawing a lot of Nintendo business.

It would be in addition. Yields are going to suffer if awarded. UA, NH, DL on SEA-NRT in addition to DL SEA-HND is WAY too much for SEA to handle. UA will probably hand SEA-NRT over to NH. The frame can be better utilized elsewhere such as starting a 2nd daily LAX-NRT or SFO-NRT. Or possibly starting PDX-NRT.

UA could also be forced to downgrade their aircraft to a 767, but I tend to agree with you that there would be too much capacity on the TYO-SEA route even when NH switches to the 787. If only either UA or NH offered different timings -- but then they (NH especially) would lose the transfer traffic from Asia and be dependent on O/D passengers, which would make HND a better choice than NRT. That assumes they have enough O/D traffic to SEA to make it worthwhile, though, which I doubt.

It would be in addition. Yields are going to suffer if awarded. UA, NH, DL on SEA-NRT in addition to DL SEA-HND is WAY too much for SEA to handle. UA will probably hand SEA-NRT over to NH. The frame can be better utilized elsewhere such as starting a 2nd daily LAX-NRT or SFO-NRT. Or possibly starting PDX-NRT.

UA already does 2 x SFO-NRT, at least certain times of the year.

UA could also be forced to downgrade their aircraft to a 767, but I tend to agree with you that there would be too much capacity on the TYO-SEA route even when NH switches to the 787. If only either UA or NH offered different timings -- but then they (NH especially) would lose the transfer traffic from Asia and be dependent on O/D passengers, which would make HND a better choice than NRT. That assumes they have enough O/D traffic to SEA to make it worthwhile, though, which I doubt.

DEN-NRT is also starting in March which will also take a huge chunk of connecting traffic off SEA-NRT.

Switching UA SEA-NRT to a 767 still would be an overkill in this situation. I think a great alternative would be to switch the SEA-NRT frame down to PDX to expand UA/NH star alliance coverage to cover the entire west coast from NRT:

1x daily UA LAX-NRT
1x daily NH LAX-NRT
1x daily NH LAX-HND
2x daily UA SFO-NRT
1x daily NH SFO-NRT
1x daily NH SEA-NRT
1x daily UA DEN-NRT
1x daily UA PDX-NRT

Somewhere I read that UA/NH carries more passengers to NRT from PDX via SEA/SFO/LAX than, even with, the current nonstop PDX-NRT operated by DL

Don't forget that there will also be SJC-NRT on NH metal soon.

Don't forget that there will also be SJC-NRT on NH metal soon.
Is NH still considering this? Haven't heard much talk of SJC-NRT.

DEN-NRT is also starting in March which will also take a huge chunk of connecting traffic off SEA-NRT.

Switching UA SEA-NRT to a 767 still would be an overkill in this situation. I think a great alternative would be to switch the SEA-NRT frame down to PDX to expand UA/NH star alliance coverage to cover the entire west coast from NRT:

1x daily UA LAX-NRT
1x daily NH LAX-NRT
1x daily NH LAX-HND
2x daily UA SFO-NRT
1x daily NH SFO-NRT
1x daily UA SEA-NRT
1x daily UA DEN-NRT
1x daily UA PDX-NRT

Somewhere I read that UA/NH carries more passengers to NRT from PDX via SEA/SFO/LAX than, even with, the current nonstop PDX-NRT operated by DL

That's certainly interesting if true. While there appears to be lots of capacity to NRT, much of it is probably connecting traffic. Perhaps UA can "divert" some connecting traffic that ends at NRT through one of the weaker NRT flights.

LAX

Is NH still considering this? Haven't heard much talk of SJC-NRT.

Yes, they're still moving forward with this as a 787 route. NH seems to believe there is enough O/D demand at SJC for a dedicated route.

Maybe it's just my bias but I personally feel that PDX-NRT on a NH 787 makes more sense than cramming in an additional SEA-NRT flight. I agree with everybody's assessment that UA will eventually leave the SEA-NRT market. DL is set on SEA being an East Asian gateway and I can't see them leaving the SEA-NRT market.

... Maybe it's just my bias but I personally feel DL is set on SEA being an East Asian gateway and I can't see them leaving the SEA-NRT market.

Don't forget that SEA used to be Northwest's gateway/hub to the Pacific markets.

Anyone have an educated guess or information regarding my chances of getting 787 metal for NRT-SEA on January 8, 2013?

Anyone have an educated guess or information regarding my chances of getting 787 metal for NRT-SEA on January 8, 2013?

Almost certain. The next long haul 787 is doing pre-delivery flight tests at the moment and is due to be delivered this month, with another coming in early September. Looks like it all on to start 787 service from October as promised. Though with Boeing's record in this programme, I doubt they want to make an official announcement until the deliveries are safely in Japan.

Maybe it's just my bias but I personally feel that PDX-NRT on a NH 787 makes more sense than cramming in an additional SEA-NRT flight.

Being from PDX... I would love it if NH came to PDX with the Dreamliner. Would have a better option than Delta's worthless 767 service with 90 year old flight attendants. But coming to Seattle isn't bad either. I'd happily take a Seattle shuttle flight up and catch the 787 to NRT. Actually hoping to do that in about a year... building up my Chase Ultimate Rewards points to redeem through United for an NH SEA-NRT award in Business Class.

As shown elsewhere on this forum, it appears the 787 will start SEA on Oct 1st. I'll be on the flight the following week.

From Airline Routes (http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/21/nh-sjc-jan13/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nh-sjc-jan13) today report the following


Update at 0820GMT 21AUG12

ANA has announced that it’ll begin Tokyo Narita – San Jose CA service, on board Boeing 787-8, starting 11JAN13. Initially service to operate 5 times a week.

Reservation for this route to be open in the coming days. Schedule:

NH1076 NRT1735 – 1010SJC 788 x24
NH1075 SJC1145 – 1610+1NRT 788 x24

On separate note, the airline’s Tokyo Narita – Seattle service is to be operated by Boeing 787-8 from 01OCT12, however this is pending on aircraft delivery.



I'm just curious why ANA fix the 787 schedule for SJC ahead of SEA. :eek:
Thanks jimyvr btw :)

I'm just curious why ANA fix the 787 schedule for SJC ahead of SEA. :eek:
Thanks jimyvr btw :)

Delivery for the Boeing 787 aircraft in Aug/Sep 2012 is still up in the air.....Same with JAL's planned 787 service to Singapore.

Anyone have an educated guess or information regarding my chances of getting 787 metal for NRT-SEA on January 8, 2013?

Well, I'm flying NH 1078 on 24 January. I just reserved a seat today by phone and was told the equipment was a 777-300ER. May or may not mean anything!

I have a reservation for the second week of Oct and the equipment is still showing as a 777 with a disclaimer that 'seats may change due to equipment' at the top of the page.

Delivery for the Boeing 787 aircraft in Aug/Sep 2012 is still up in the air.....Same with JAL's planned 787 service to Singapore.

A new international config 787 has been delivered to ANA and arrived at HND early this morning. Another is due in late September, so ANA should have the the aircraft to start NRT-SEA with a spare at the start of October as suggested.

Do we know what the new international configuration looks like?

Do we know what the new international configuration looks like?
Sorry - I meant a new aircraft, not a new layout! It's should look the same as the ones already on HND-FRA - though maybe with a better finish. Now ANA have 3 of this type.

So does this mean that ANA's stated October timeline for switching SEA/NRT to 787 with the staggered business class is on-track?

Have they updated that estimate since making it?

Do we know what the new international configuration looks like?

I assume this: http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/us/e/asw_common/inflight/seatmap/b787_8/

I assume this: http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/us/e/asw_common/inflight/seatmap/b787_8/

I've never seen that before... thank you, very helpful.

I've never seen that before... thank you, very helpful.

It's linked in the ANA Master Thread (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18705497-post3.html) -- please have a look!

I flew the SEA-NRT NH flight last month, wrote a review on my blog if anyone is interested. No 787 equipment yet though, disappointed on that but the flight was really fantastic, no complaints.

http://hktravelblog.com/2012/08/united-ana-economy-review-ewr-sea-nrt-hkg/

Is the PY cabin considered Y on this flight until the end of September? What's the best way to snag one of those seats?

I've got the aisle in the exit row 24 for a flight at the end of the month, it seems like a good option but not as good as PY, if that's a possibility

Is the PY cabin considered Y on this flight until the end of September? What's the best way to snag one of those seats?

I've got the aisle in the exit row 24 for a flight at the end of the month, it seems like a good option but not as good as PY, if that's a possibility

I believe PY seats are allocated to NH elites first, but you may be able to request them at check-in.

I will be on NRT-SEA flight Oct 2nd. As of right now, the seat map still show B777. When do you guys think NH will make the new seat map available for seat selection?

Looks like right now they're switching between the 200 and 300ER depending on the week.

Is the plan to fly the 787 on this route from Oct 1, still in effect?

Is the plan to fly the 787 on this route from Oct 1, still in effect?

Nothing to the contrary announced but the ANA site and UA award booking site still showing this as a 777 in perpetuity. I'm booked in J on NRT>SEA on the 3rd and hoping this happens as planned.

Is the plan to fly the 787 on this route from Oct 1, still in effect?That is still the plan - and is what ANA is still stating on its English webpage (but with this small-print caveat: "The operating aircraft will switch to Boeing 787 October 1st, but is subject to change depending on the delivery schedule").

Thanks. This flight will be part of my next RTW.

Now showing 787 from 10/1 on. Confirmed with an ANA agent. Booked on 10/1 in 7K. :D!!!

Now showing 787 from 10/1 on. Confirmed with an ANA agent. Booked on 10/1 in 7K. :D!!!

Odd - my return flight in January is still showing 777 (NRT-SEA). I hope they're not going to switch BACK once they start?

Nope just failed to change the schedules for some reason.

i just double checked and they havent updated the GDS schedules yet. but you will be fine for at least the 1st. I do know that much personally.

anyone able to select seats on the new 787?

I'm flying the second week of the new equipment, but the website still shows me a 777 seat map. Tick tock.

anyone able to select seats on the new 787?

Yes I was able to do it for 10/1.

I am probably going to be on the 10/1 flight as well, but when I check return schedules...some days it is 787 and some days it is 777...does that mean there will be variations? It shows 787 in GDS for Oct 1, but it varies after that???

For whatever reason, NH has only loaded the 788 into the GDS for selected dates as of now:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/09/24/nh-sea-oct12update2/

I can only advise you to cross your fingers!

For whatever reason, NH has only loaded the 788 into the GDS for selected dates as of now:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/09/24/nh-sea-oct12update2/

I can only advise you to cross your fingers!

Strange - NH should have enough aircraft in service by then. A new long haul 787 was delivered yesterday, currently on it's way to HND; which will make 4 with international layout. The one delivered earlier this month has been doing HND-FRA runs, whilst the the first delivered int 787 didn't fly for 2 weeks (maintenance? sort out the cabin fit and finish people complained about?). So lack of aircraft can't be a reason not to fly NRT-SEA as 787 from October. Although this month the international 787s have also been doing a few random shorter routes HND-PEK and HND-OKA - lucky PAX getting those aircraft swaps.

I wonder what ANA plan to do for certain flight that are overbooked as the planned 787 economy load is a lot lower than the current 777 seat arrangement....I foresee overbooked issue...?

I wonder what ANA plan to do for certain flight that are overbooked as the planned 787 economy load is a lot lower than the current 777 seat arrangement....I foresee overbooked issue...?

I suspect they've only been selling to the 787 capacity for some time.. my flight on 10/26 (operated by a 77W still in the GDS) only has like 15 seats occupied in coach right now, and fewer in biz.

Especially in Oct/Nov, loads on both sides of the fence tend to be pretty light.

If I go to a travel site, like Travelocity, the equipment still shows as a 777 for everyday after 9/30. A bit puzzling, considering where we are on the calendar.

I certainly hope this is just them being conservative and they don't intend to literally mix up the route like this. It seems out of character for ANA. Hopefully they don't run the 787 for a few days to say they made their goal and then swap it to the 777.

I'm assuming that the 787 has better economics on this route than the 777. Lighter loads, better fuel efficiency, no FC, etc.

NH has again revised the aircraft planned for the NRT-SEA route:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/09/25/nh-seaoct12update3/

The 788 will now operate daily -- no more 777!

However, they have yet to update the seatmap. The Ana booking site shows the 787, but when you go to select your seat, it shows the old 777-200 seatmap. (At least for flights later than first week of Oct.) Hopefully will be updated in a couple of days.

Changes are happening... My seat reservations have disappeared and now the reservation says "processing". When I went to the seatmap, the site says, "This aircraft seatmap cannot be viewed in Flash, click continue to view in HTML." Then nothing happens, but hey, something's working in the background.

I am flying on this flight on Oct 21 and hopefully it will turn out to be a 787

Just looked at my booking on NH site, it shows the seat that I originally requested under 777 has been changed to processing and I wasn't able to choose the seat at this point; I guess the aircraft switch is in progress and hence I am not able to choose seat at this moment. Strong feeling that I might be flying 787.

Just looked at my booking on NH site, it shows the seat that I originally requested under 777 has been changed to processing and I wasn't able to choose the seat at this point; I guess the aircraft switch is in progress and hence I am not able to choose seat at this moment. Strong feeling that I might be flying 787.

Mine still showing 777-200 for Dec. travel.

What lounge is NH using at SEA? The BA lounge or the Club International? I wonder if there will be any swag on the inaugural NRT-SEA-NRT 787 flights?!

What lounge is NH using at SEA? The BA lounge or the Club International? I wonder if there will be any swag on the inaugural NRT-SEA-NRT 787 flights?!

I'm on NRT>SEA on 10/1. I'll let you know.

What lounge is NH using at SEA? The BA lounge or the Club International? I wonder if there will be any swag on the inaugural NRT-SEA-NRT 787 flights?!

NH will use the Club International lounge.

I'm on NRT>SEA on 10/1. I'll let you know.

Yesterday afternoon, the latest delivered int787 ferried to NRT from HND. Just made it out before HND closed for the typhoon. All looks good for the NRT-SEA 787 switch from this afternoon.

NH has filed a flight plan for today (and tomorrow) with the 788... looks like the switch is on.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA1078

Plane's at the gate. I'm in 1A. Boarding in 5 minutes.

Plane's at the gate. I'm in 1A. Boarding in 5 minutes.

Enjoy your flight!

Hope this is another full flight!

Here are some pics.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/8044630870_f6c1996e08_z_d.jpg
Nice looking bird!


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At the gate - Narita.


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Commemorative Boarding Certificate


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Got the pilot to sign my boarding pass. 1A is not the best seat but nice for bragging rights.


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They handed out a bunch of knick knacks including these stickers.


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And these playing cards.


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FAs gave me this nice card with a cute drawing and an origami crane.


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Water cannon salute upon arrival at SEA-TAC.


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And best of all this inflatable Dreamliner (doing a simulated landing over Seattle), which will probably get an honorary place in the bathroom next to the LH IFT rubber duckies.

Looks like the return was just delayed and will depart tomorrow at 13:15. Anyone know what's going on?

Something about a leaky pump that had to be replaced.

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/boeing/article/Boeing-787-service-starts-from-Seattle-3909742.php


Looks like the return was just delayed and will depart tomorrow at 13:15. Anyone know what's going on?

Anyone know what's going on?

Something about a leaky pump that had to be replaced.
From the Seattle Times: "Boeing spokeswoman Lori Gunter said the issue was with the valve in one of the cooling-system pumps...Passengers heard the deflating news after waiting in the airport lounge three hours past their 1:15 p.m. scheduled departure time...After its (cancelation) announcement, it distributed hotel vouchers."

SEATAC return to Tokyo cancels. JAL's inaugural from Boston back in April also cancelled. Is there something about the Dreamliner not wanting to leave home?

SEATAC return to Tokyo cancels. JAL's inaugural from Boston back in April also cancelled. Is there something about the Dreamliner not wanting to leave home?

You mean, not wanting to return home (to Japan)?

Looks like there will be 2 ANA 787s today in SeaTac. Will both carry pax today to Tokyo or they will consolidate flights?

Just saw that UA 875 is canceled today, so I guess ANA can easily fill both 787s to capacity.

Wow, those UA people are lucky!
Big upgrade for them.

Looks like there will be 2 ANA 787s today in SeaTac. Will both carry pax today to Tokyo or they will consolidate flights?

Just saw that UA 875 is canceled today, so I guess ANA can easily fill both 787s to capacity.

Looks like two 787s are on the way from Seattle to Tokyo right now.

SEATAC return to Tokyo cancels. JAL's inaugural from Boston back in April also cancelled. Is there something about the Dreamliner not wanting to leave home?

JAL did NOT cancel the BOS inaugural flight

How are the loads on the Nrt to Sea route?
Anyone knows?

Thanks!

I was on this flight almost two weeks ago and loads seemed light. Business class was maybe 50% full and it was slightly more full in back.

The service is top notch, seriously. Seats are very comfortable, IFE is tremendous, and crew were friendly and efficient. I flew F on UA last time.... never again after this! ANAs service and product are superb.

I was on this flight almost two weeks ago and loads seemed light. Business class was maybe 50% full and it was slightly more full in back.

The service is top notch, seriously. Seats are very comfortable, IFE is tremendous, and crew were friendly and efficient. I flew F on UA last time.... never again after this! ANAs service and product are superb.

Not me. I was on the first NRT>SEA 787 flight. Have flown the route 3 times since then and always pick UA GF over NH J. I'm tall though and seat comfort is paramount for me. I think it depends on personal preference.

Just checked some flights for Feb 2013 & found that SEA-NRT-SEA will be on B777s on the weekends instead of the B787s. I find that odd since the load hasn't been that good based on few scattered reports here. Since the B777s have more seats, it's essentially adding capacity to a route not doing so hot already. Perhaps the B787s are needed else where on the weekends during the winter months?

BTW, does anyone know which B777 config it will be? The one that was on before the B787s became available?

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