At present I have a backpack I use for day trips with my notebook (12.5" Lenovo X220 with 9 cell battery) and papers. When I travel overnight I use this (http://www.targus.com/us/productdetail.aspx?regionId=7&sku=CLN5&PageName=Cases+&Bags_for_Laptops_by_Targus_USA=&productCategoryId=5&bucketTypeId=0&searchedTerms=&navlevel1=products&cp=&bannertxt=Cases+&Bags_for_Laptops=&ClickID=bksgkynudysefvk6ngzd1edqff1gvy1ffsed)one - a Targus Leather case. I got this for the durability and protection in case I needed to check it in sometimes. The specs of this bag are:
Exterior Dimensions 15.5" x 5.25" x 13.75" (39.7 x 37.5 x 16.5cm)
Interior Dimensions 14.96" x 12.8" x 2.559" (36.8 x 29.9 x 5.7 cm)
Weight 5.51 lbs (2.5 kg)
I'm travelling for two nights at a time sometimes now and that is stretching the limits of this bag a little - I really need to pack light for it to fit, I'd like a little more room. Space wise I'm looking to store notebook, chargers etc, a section for papers and clothes (and wet pack!) for two nights away.
This bag is also HEAVY as you can see. Something lighter would be great.
I don't want a roller type bag as I'm reasonably tall and they are not long enough in the handle not to be a nuisance - they aren't as easy to manoeuvre around quickly either.
Domestic carry on allowance is:
2 x 105cm (41in) bags or
1 x 105cm (41in) bag plus 1 x 185cm (73in) non rigid garment bag or
1 x 115cm (45in) bag
7kg (15lb) per piece
but sometimes I'd have to travel on a sector with the limitation of 1 x 105cm (41in) bag - 7kg (15lb) total. if I travel Internationally it is 1 x 115cm (45in) bag 7kg (15lb) per piece. While I get more checked baggage allowance because of my status that doesn't change the carry on allowances.
If possible I'd like to get what I want in a 105cm (41in) bag but if a 115cm (45in) bag was a better option I'd consider it.
I don't want to spend a lot of money, probably maximum of $300 but would prefer less.
I was originally looking at the two bags below:
Red Oxx Air Boss (http://www.redoxx.com/Join-the-Herd-on-Facebook/Air-Boss/91018-Air%20Boss/17172/Product) - light, close enough to the 105cm rule, too much bag for what I need?, more a bulk bag than having space for organising stuff??
Tom Bihn Tri-Star (http://www.tombihn.com/page/001/PROD/500/TB0940) - light, within the 105cm rule, has a bit more organisation to it but pricey
With postage both are pretty pricey but do you get what you pay for? Of course what I'd really like is these bags at half the price :)
After lots of reading of lots of sites and the info here I think I'm coming down to the Tom Bihn or this (http://www.bagworld.com.au/shop/detail/blackwolf-skedaddle-17-laptop-briefcase-backpack/) one - the Blackwolf 'Skedaddle'.
OK, OK, it is not the best of names but very Australian and very appropriate.
It has the following features I was after:
Removable padded shoulder strap
Pack away backpack straps
Padded removable laptop case velcro into the middle pocket
Padded front pocket for ipod or sunglasses
Internal organiser in front pocket
Internal compression and mesh divider in main compartment
Size wise - 54cm x 39cm x 15cm. While this total of 108cm is just outside the 105 rule applicable on some flights I suspect I'll get away with it, it is certainly within the 115 rule.
Capacity- 30lts, which I think should be plenty compared to my current bag, especially with my new found knowledge of bundle packing and the various packing accessories that are around!
Weight - 1.25kg, i.e. HALF of the current bag!
Even with a Folder for shirts and a Pack-It Cube or two it still comes out at around half the price of the Tom Bihn.
At the risk of being shallow the look of these was important too. There are lots of carry-ons that look like a backpack - not what I'm after for a meeting - or that are more a vertical format bag (reflecting the backpack linkage). The vertical format is harder to carry like that and the pockets don't work as well. I'm not a big fan of the logo and reflective panel but can live with that - maybe.
My trouble is that I cannot find any reviews on these bags (they are an Aussie manufacturer) nor have I been able to find one in the shops.
I think my heart is for the Tom Bihn, my head (or wallet) says the Skedaddle.
Thoughts or advice appreciated!
tfar
Apr 11, 12, 5:13 pm
Welcome to FT, Mark! :)
It's a pleasure to read such a well-written and informed first post.
I see you have done your homework, too. Cool! ^
The 7kg rule is what is the biggest problem. But let me ask you, is there also a single piece rule? LH for example will let you take two pieces, a personal item and a carry-on piece. This means you can split the weight. But some airlines will have a single piece rule where really you can only have a single item in the cabin. Do you fly on those carriers?
If not, I think it is pretty easy to find a solution by using a tote of your liking plus a small laptop bag. Possibly one can fit into the other. The Tristar would be one option for that, as you found out already. The Airboss another. You could also look at the OPEC Campmor or the A. Saks 21" Expandable bag. However, I'm afraid they will already be too big for what you actually need.
So here comes my very own and favorite recommendation: The Tenba Messenger Satchel.
I recommend it very often because it is such a fantastic bag, not very well known but very well made and a joy to use. Oh, it's not crazy expensive, either. :) $109 for the large model.
It looks like a messenger bag, is made of Cordura nylon and has all the features you are after except the compression and mesh inside. But, really, those are not needed if you use a shirt folder and some packing cubes.
The Tenba Messenger comes in three sizes: Mini, Small and Large. I have the small one. I have already used it with a 15" laptop plus charger, a Canon G9 plus charger and various doodads plus two nights worth of casual clothing. It was full but it all fit. If you take the large one, it will certainly fit.
Weight is exactly 1kg and less if you remove, as you would, the padded camera insert (Tenba makes mostly camera bags). There is still a padded laptop section. Say you are left with 800g.
Unfortunately, it won't quite fit the EC18 shirt folder, IF you use the main board in the folder. But many flyers including myself have ditched the heavy mainboard, which weighs ca. 200g on its own, and report satisfactory packing results nonetheless. You just use the folding board and put the shirt folder's other side against the laptop. This will keep the shirts straight and afford extra protection to the laptop. :)
Instead of a full wet kit or Dopp kit, you can use one or two ziploc bags. I use one for anything liquid and one for hardware (razor, brush, comb, scissors). Weighs next to nothing, takes practically no room, is rather leakproof, cheap and permits good organization.
So even with folders, wet kit and packing cubes (EC is good but I think there are even lighter ones out there) your total tare weight should not exceed 1200g in this set-up. That would leave almost 6kg to work with for laptop and clothing. Should be doable especially given your rather light laptop.
The bag will not look as spiffy as a Goldpfeil or Vuitton but I promise you it is one heck of a practical bag, particularly because you can not only acces it through the flap but also through a zipper on top. And the shoulder strap is really good, too.
Check out the video on their site.
I checked out the Black Wolf. Good tip, thanks. Just for you, the Wolf is probably still too big. I mean that's basically as big as the Airboss. As an idea it's great, though. It's the only bag with this layout I have seen so far. Smart these Australians!!! ;)
Till
Mark1966
Apr 11, 12, 6:42 pm
Welcome to FT, Mark! :)
It's a pleasure to read such a well-written and informed first post.
I see you have done your homework, too. Cool! ^
The 7kg rule is what is the biggest problem. But let me ask you, is there also a single piece rule? LH for example will let you take two pieces, a personal item and a carry-on piece. This means you can split the weight. But some airlines will have a single piece rule where really you can only have a single item in the cabin. Do you fly on those carriers?
One of the sectors I commonly fly out of my home airport involves the '1 x 105cm (41in) bag and 7kg (15lb) total weight' aircraft although it is only a short sector (about 30min airtime) and I could easily 'gate check' my bag if they objected to it as carryon.
If not, I think it is pretty easy to find a solution by using a tote of your liking plus a small laptop bag. Possibly one can fit into the other. The Tristar would be one option for that, as you found out already. The Airboss another. You could also look at the OPEC Campmor or the A. Saks 21" Expandable bag. However, I'm afraid they will already be too big for what you actually need.
The OPEC and A.Saks seem fine size wise but visually they are not particularly appealing.
I'm fascinated as to why the TriStar or Skedaddle would be too big? I'd rather not overstuff bags and look over-weight and thought a larger Bag not stretched and clearly fitting size wise would be safer?
So here comes my very own and favorite recommendation: The Tenba Messenger Satchel.
I recommend it very often because it is such a fantastic bag, not very well known but very well made and a joy to use. Oh, it's not crazy expensive, either. :) $109 for the large model.
It looks like a messenger bag, is made of Cordura nylon and has all the features you are after except the compression and mesh inside. But, really, those are not needed if you use a shirt folder and some packing cubes.
The Tenba Messenger comes in three sizes: Mini, Small and Large. I have the small one. I have already used it with a 15" laptop plus charger, a Canon G9 plus charger and various doodads plus two nights worth of casual clothing. It was full but it all fit. If you take the large one, it will certainly fit.
Weight is exactly 1kg and less if you remove, as you would, the padded camera insert (Tenba makes mostly camera bags). There is still a padded laptop section. Say you are left with 800g.
Nice looking bag - OHHHHH, another option!
Unfortunately, it won't quite fit the EC18 shirt folder, IF you use the main board in the folder. But many flyers including myself have ditched the heavy mainboard, which weighs ca. 200g on its own, and report satisfactory packing results nonetheless. You just use the folding board and put the shirt folder's other side against the laptop. This will keep the shirts straight and afford extra protection to the laptop. :)
Instead of a full wet kit or Dopp kit, you can use one or two ziploc bags. I use one for anything liquid and one for hardware (razor, brush, comb, scissors). Weighs next to nothing, takes practically no room, is rather leakproof, cheap and permits good organization.
My concern looking at the Tenba is that everything is lumped in together expect for the laptop - I'll need to think about whether this will work for me. I'd rather not have my bag 'exposed' if I need to pull files out.
I checked out the Black Wolf. Good tip, thanks. Just for you, the Wolf is probably still too big. I mean that's basically as big as the Airboss. As an idea it's great, though. It's the only bag with this layout I have seen so far. Smart these Australians!!! ;)
Till
Yes, I just wish I could see one in the flesh as the pics available on-line are rather limited :td:
Thanks for your advice :)
tfar
Apr 11, 12, 9:24 pm
You're welcome, Mark.
The reason I say these bags would be too big, probably already the Tristar but the others for sure, is that you will only be on the road for two days. The large Tenba would be filled but probably not filled to the brim. In the others you'd have your items shifting and floating. Also, since these bags hardly have any structure of their own they will tend to look saggy and sloppy. Not an ideal look in my book, even though I see what you mean by rather wanting to look underpacked than overstuffed.
I also see what you mean about not exposing the private contents of your bag so as to keep a professional appearance. The Tenba does have the large zipper on the bag which allows you access to the main compartment and computer compartment without lifting the lid. It also has what I would call a "curtain pouch" in the main compartment. That is a free floating pouch that I never understood what it was for. Now I do. It is to cover up the main compartment. Similar to a luggage cover in a station wagon car.
Have you looked at the TB Western Flyer? http://www.tombihn.com/page/001/PROD/500/TB0950
It is smaller still than the Tristar and should meet your requirements just fine. It's 37 linear inches (exactly the same as the Tenba btw), so carry-on should be virtually guaranteed at all times. Opposed to the Tristar there is also an option of a rollaboard passthrough but since you don't like rollaboards this may not be your concern anyway. Given its size and appearance the WF practically passes for a briefcase. It has all you required and is cheaper and lighter than the TS. But still double of what the Tenba and the Black Wolf cost.
I have another recommendation and it might come in just under $300 if you get a good price. It's the Tumi 26141 expandable briefcase. It looks very professional and I'd go as far as saying that is a briefcase icon of industrial design. Of all my briefcases only the Tenba can rival it in practicaliy, except maybe the Briggs Riley BB107 but that one is a vertical format which you don't like (plus it's discontinued anyway). For me the Tumi 26141 is the King of briefcases, no kidding. In its expanded size it will be big enough for a 2-night trip and in its smaller size for a one-nighter.
Here is a link with pics: http://www.botachtactical.com/tu26exorlabr.html
There is on other bag that would also be wonderful but it will be very hard to find. The Andiamo Valoroso VT-18 18" six-pocket shoulder tote. Killer bag. Perhaps the most practical all purpose bag I have. I use so often precisely because it is small enough to pass as a briefcase but roomy enough to work for short trips as a hold-all.
Here is a link: http://www.buy.com/prod/andiamo-valoroso-18-six-pocket-shoulder-tote/204542819.html
If you find one, shoot me a PM, please. I'd gladly buy another one in black, I got the grey one. It's fantastic. Incidentally also 37 linear inches but in a layout that is hard to beat. Whoever designed the Tenba, Andiamo and Tumi bags mentioned here was luggage design genius. There are very few bags that can even come close but nothing quite touches them and I've tried and looked at a lot of bags.
Till
jaws revenge
Apr 11, 12, 9:43 pm
That Tumi above is a great bag, i also have one.
I aslo have a tristar and western flier. I actually take the tristar into meetings with my laptop in a sleeve in the middle. It looks like a large computer bag. And all my bags are black.
I think too that the tristar is big for 2 day trips, but is doable as it doesn't bulge that much if not full.
I think the western flier fits your needs, and both Bihn bags have packaway backback straps which you mentioned.
I've seen that Skedaddle mentioned on other sites including obow. Concensus seems to be that it is a more affordable version of basically the patagonia mlc. I do have a mlc, but rarely use it for business trips. It doesn't look as good as the bihns or tumi and b&r, and is a little floppier. I also prefer the laptop section to be in the middle.
tfar
Apr 11, 12, 10:45 pm
Good post, jaws. Why don't you post more often? July 2011 and only two posts. You must be travlin' a lot, huh? ;)
Till
Mark1966
Apr 11, 12, 11:13 pm
Well thanks to you both. You have certainly given me some food for thought.
I suppose after finding that my current bag was just too small I jumped to thinking - max out the size, you can never have too much space.
Given where I'm coming from the larger bags would still be a huge improvement. Looking back over my diary I do have three or four trips of about four/five days duration most years too which I've kinda forgotten about.
I think I might try a 'test pack' on the weekend of what I want to take on the trips I have and see how much room is actually needed.
One bag is certainly much preferred as my solution and the straps so when I'm traveling with my wife I can, effectively, take care of her luggage too is helpful.
You have given me LOTS to think about - much appreciated ^
Baghoarder
Apr 11, 12, 11:53 pm
I have a TriStar and a Western Flyer. I thought it was worth the cost of shipping them to Australia and I still think that now I have used them. Even with the high shipping costs I still think you'd be hard pressed to find bags as well made here for a comparable price.
Depending on how much you carry for work, I'd say the Western Flyer would probably be big enough if you were choosing between these two. Personally I would consider the Western Flyer with the rolling luggage handle sleeve option (but i am not keen on backpacks; you might find the backpack format better). Here are my reasons based on using both the WF and the TS:
1) It (the WF) works very well on its own for short business trips. It has two compartments - work gear in one, clothes in the other. In black it looks like a large laptop case so you can get away with it in meetings and it can pair very well with a rolling briefcase if you ever have so much paper or tech stuff that you have to resort to wheels.
2) When it is fully packed it also holds its rectilinear form a bit better than the TriStar, which tends to bulge and has a "fat" profile if overstuffed.
3) Weight. IME a fully packed WF will probably come in at around 7 kg; a fully packed TS could easily be heavier than that.
4) Cost. It is slightly cheaper than the TriStar. But if you get packing cubes and other accessories for it (the cubes are a really logical way to pack Tom Bihn bags, especially these two which don't lend themselves to bundle packing), you'll still push your budget limit.
Good luck with your decision!
Mark1966
Apr 12, 12, 1:27 am
More food for thought - and from an Aussie as well so highly valued!
Interesting comparisons (exterior dimensions in inches):
Current bag: 16 x 14 x 6
Western Star: 18 x 12 x 7
Tristar: 19 x 13 x 8
Interestingly when I measured the space for clothes in the current bag it was 16 x 12 x 2.5 - 576 cubic inches with the computer area much the same.
The Tristar - EACH of the three Tristar compartments are bigger (front, 617, middle and rear, 679) so I'm basically getting an extra compartment.
Western Flyer - front 648 cubic inches (more room for laptop etc), rear 864 - it is HUGE!!!!!!
I think you are all correct and the Western Flyer would suit my needs. I'm now tossing up whether the Tristar for the additional money would provide more flexibility for longer trips domestically to do carry-on and may be even the occasional international that I see to do (no checked for international would be bliss!)
The other factor is that I might not have to be so concerned about how I pack in the Tristar. I could take my RM Williams boots as my casual footwear not something lighter and smaller. I've never had my carry on weighed and doubt that this will be a problem.
What do I lose, apart from cash, in getting the Tristar? Why would the Western Flyer be better despite the reduced capacity and flexibility?
Interesting questions - would love you thoughts. Thanks again
Baghoarder
Apr 12, 12, 2:34 am
I am wondering where you found those compartment volume measurements. I am not sure that they are correct, at least for current designs. As far as I can see, all the main compartments of the WF and the TS are the same thickness/depth (ie all the compartments in BOTH bags are the same depth, but TS compartments are an inch longer than the WF compartments on the length and width, of course, and the TS is fatter because it has the third compartment, not because any of those compartments is deeper). I would have said the practical volume of the two WF compartments and the three TS compartments, respectively, was identical. At least, that is the way I think of them. If they differ it is not by much. All the packing cubes made specifically for the bags are of identical depth and could be used in any compartment of the bag they fit.
The Tri Star will certainly hold more than the WF and in that sense it is a more flexible choice. In fact, it was the first TB bag I bought because I was afraid the WF might be too small (I downsized later... ). If you have big feet the TS compartments might be a bit better for accommodating bulkier shoes.
I have used my TS for international travel (packed to about 8kg) and it was never questioned on weight or size on QF or CX even though it looked fat and firmly packed. Either bag looks equally professional, even though the TriStar is clearly bigger. It is obviously a personal preference, but I prefer the leaner profile of the WF on my shoulder. But then I always have the option of upsizing to the TS if I need to, so it's easy for me to say that ! :)
To give another example of the WF's prowess though, my husband has just got back from a trip to Tokyo with the WF (on a Tumi Alpha rolling briefcase). He has never really been a light packer in the past but has found it is a very convenient bag for, say, two to three day business travel. He has big feet and always packs a change of shoes and sometimes a pair of trainers as well.
My only other suggestion is to check out the forums on the Tom Bihn website. It is a quite active little community (and senior company employees are active on the forums) with some serious TB enthusiasts and you will be able to look at packing lists for the bags, ask questions etc. You will be amazed at how genuinely interested everyone is there about your choice (right down to the colour of the bags!). People often post photos etc too. And they will not hesitate to recommend you sink more money into accessories like packing cubes, pouches, messenger bags etc!;). It is actually one of the nicest things about buying a TB bag, apart from the bag itself, of course!
Whichever you go for, get the Absolute Strap. It is very effective at making the load seem lighter.
Baghoarder
Apr 12, 12, 2:45 am
Just to clarify one thing - you CAN get two pairs of shoes into the WF but if you routinely want to pack more than one, the TS is probably the better choice...
mikel51
Apr 12, 12, 5:12 am
I recently purchased a Patagonia MLC. It weighs less than 3 lbs and has a nice computer pocket. I have been able to put a folding suit hanger from my Briggs and Riley wheelie. I am pretty happy with it. It might not last as long as a Red Ox (material isn't as heavy), but then I purchased in for $79 on sale earlier in the year (discontinued color?).
An added bonus is that the strap was good enough that I haven't felt like adding one of my $20, "spring loaded" straps.
And Patagonia is usually also VERY good in regards to warranty claims.
Mark1966
Apr 12, 12, 6:56 am
I am wondering where you found those compartment volume measurements. I am not sure that they are correct, at least for current designs. As far as I can see, all the main compartments of the WF and the TS are the same thickness/depth (ie all the compartments in BOTH bags are the same depth, but TS compartments are an inch longer than the WF compartments on the length and width, of course, and the TS is fatter because it has the third compartment, not because any of those compartments is deeper). I would have said the practical volume of the two WF compartments and the three TS compartments, respectively, was identical. At least, that is the way I think of them. If they differ it is not by much. All the packing cubes made specifically for the bags are of identical depth and could be used in any compartment of the bag they fit.
The dimensions of the WF are from here (http://www.onebag.com/dual-purpose-bags.html) - which indicates the depth of the compartments as being 3" and 4" respectively. TS dimensions from the review here (http://www.practicalhacks.com/2009/08/10/first-take-tom-bihn-tri-star/).
The Tri Star will certainly hold more than the WF and in that sense it is a more flexible choice. In fact, it was the first TB bag I bought because I was afraid the WF might be too small (I downsized later... ). If you have big feet the TS compartments might be a bit better for accommodating bulkier shoes.
Size 10H RM Williams Craftsman Boots are my preferred choice of footwear - not exactly small or lightweight!
I have used my TS for international travel (packed to about 8kg) and it was never questioned on weight or size on QF or CX even though it looked fat and firmly packed. Either bag looks equally professional, even though the TriStar is clearly bigger. It is obviously a personal preference, but I prefer the leaner profile of the WF on my shoulder. But then I always have the option of upsizing to the TS if I need to, so it's easy for me to say that ! :)
Luxury that is! In fact I think that this shouldn't be allowed and you should do your civic duty and sell one to me - huge discount being used of course :D
To give another example of the WF's prowess though, my husband has just got back from a trip to Tokyo with the WF (on a Tumi Alpha rolling briefcase). He has never really been a light packer in the past but has found it is a very convenient bag for, say, two to three day business travel. He has big feet and always packs a change of shoes and sometimes a pair of trainers as well.
It is clearly becoming more and more line ball. Oh to have both!
My only other suggestion is to check out the forums on the Tom Bihn website. It is a quite active little community (and senior company employees are active on the forums) with some serious TB enthusiasts and you will be able to look at packing lists for the bags, ask questions etc. You will be amazed at how genuinely interested everyone is there about your choice (right down to the colour of the bags!). People often post photos etc too. And they will not hesitate to recommend you sink more money into accessories like packing cubes, pouches, messenger bags etc!;). It is actually one of the nicest things about buying a TB bag, apart from the bag itself, of course!
I'm not sure that I know enough of how I would use the bag to be more precise than I am now - and that is probably the problem. I've reached the point that I need to make a call - with no regrets or second guessing
Whichever you go for, get the Absolute Strap. It is very effective at making the load seem lighter.
Absolutely!
Thanks for all your help!
Baghoarder
Apr 12, 12, 2:41 pm
RMs demand the TriStar!
Baghoarder
Apr 12, 12, 2:44 pm
Onebag.com is a great site and a place of pilgrimage for light travelers. Might be best to email Katy at TB to double check these though. The picture in the Onebag site is of the older WF model and maybe the dimensions did change when they updated it.
Mark1966
Apr 12, 12, 3:33 pm
RMs demand the TriStar!
Simple then really!
Tristar it is :D
Seriously thinking about it. I think that the WF will do 95% of what I need. For the other 5% I'd be better off with the Aeronaut or Air Boss or a true MLC 45" monster. So the best solution is to buy both - but that is not going to happen.
So the Tristar is a compromise. More than I need and less than I want but a balance somewhere in the middle.
Thanks heaps for your help!
tfar
Apr 12, 12, 4:07 pm
Hi Mark,
if you want to take size 10 RMW boots (nice choice) the bigger bag will be needed, of course. So Tristar will be good. That said, wearing your boots and packing the lighter pair of shoes would be preferable from a packing standpoint. ;)
Till
Mark1966
Apr 12, 12, 4:57 pm
Hi Mark,
if you want to take size 10 RMW boots (nice choice) the bigger bag will be needed, of course. So Tristar will be good.
Thank you :) They are a nice boot. I'm wearing my normal ones today for a casual Friday and am looking forward to my new Kangaroo hide ones arriving soon (but not soon enough!)
That said, wearing your boots and packing the lighter pair of shoes would be preferable from a packing standpoint. ;)
Till
Yes, but I would normally be wearing my suit and dress shoes while traveling for work rather than attempting to pack the suit with the RMs for casual wear.
All this research and reading has made me think a lot more about how I travel though and possibly reassessing some of my habits. The vast majority of my trips are day trips - I like to get home to family - but increasingly I'm being asked to stay over for things. Having looked at my travel for a year during this process I'm doing around:
40 day trips (early flight out from Canberra to east coast destination)
10 1-2 night domestic trips (probably increasing if anything)
3 3-4 night domestic trips (will remain pretty static)
1 week or so international trip (probably increasing)
It was interesting to review this and what my needs are. How to better prepare and pack for these trips is a whole new world!
Thanks again
tfar
Apr 12, 12, 9:47 pm
You're most welcome, Mark. :)
You know, I do think that a suit with a good pair of Chelseas like the RMW is actually quite stylish, especially if you get the chisel toe model in black smooth leather. I guess that would be the Craftsman Yearling. Beautiful shoe.
I still have to buy a pair myself and can't quite decide. Also I'm afraid of ordering shoes online from Australia. A boot particularly is something I feel I need to try on.
Till
Mark1966
Apr 12, 12, 10:39 pm
You're most welcome, Mark. :)
You know, I do think that a suit with a good pair of Chelseas like the RMW is actually quite stylish, especially if you get the chisel toe model in black smooth leather. I guess that would be the Craftsman Yearling. Beautiful shoe.
I still have to buy a pair myself and can't quite decide. Also I'm afraid of ordering shoes online from Australia. A boot particularly is something I feel I need to try on.
Till
Clearly you need to come on Down Under!
Yes a pair of black Craftsmans would look fine with a suit - it is the choice of a few of our politicians. The yearling is a very comfortable material. The kangaroo hide I have on order is allegedly one of the toughest and softest for its weight of any in the world (http://www.rmwilliams.com.au/home.asp?pageid=04CEB529C04DDC8F&pagecontentslideshoworderid=2AA58E88CBD9DA28).
I can't wait for them to arrive - said to be spectacular boots to wear!
Mark1966
Apr 13, 12, 6:35 pm
So, now the question becomes, do I need to get the packing cubes? maybe this is the next round of research to do!
tfar
Apr 13, 12, 6:41 pm
So, now the question becomes, do I need to get the packing cubes? maybe this is the next round of research to do!
Mark, I advise on reading the sticky on top of the page with regards to packing cubes.
I'd love to come to Australia. Have family in Sydney and friends in Geelong. That would be a good opportunity to get a pair of RMW. I also looked at the Kangaroo skin boots. After all, if the boot is from Australia might as well get Kangaroo. :)
I am keen on reading what you have to say about them and how the leather feels and looks compared to normal calf or cow.
Till
Mark1966
Apr 13, 12, 8:42 pm
@Tfar - Absolutely, come and visit. Australia is a very welcoming place
Visit an RMW shop and get fitted for boots then you can order online (cheaper too!) I'll certainly let you know how the 'roo boot compare BUT the wait for them is 8-10 weeks at the moment so don't hold your breath :mad:
I've gone back and read the sticky and poked around elsewhere re cubes - thanks for the pointer.
@Baghoarder - I can't PM at the moment - not enough posts and I've reached my PM limit!
Steel was never an option! Black/Iberian or Navy/Solar and I think I'm tending to the former although black is really not that exciting a colour. Here (http://the-gadgeteer.com/2009/11/06/tom-bihn-tri-star-travel-bag-and-accessories-review) is the review talking about the Cardinal attracting dirty.
I think I'll stick with the Black/Iberian. The thought of opening up the bag and being confronted by the Solar lining is a little scary!
Thinking about a trip I have to the US with my wife in July where we will both have carry on and I hope only one checked bag between us (so I can take care of this when required with my TB on my back and all she has to worry about is her carry on) I think I've finally made a decision.... [drum roll here please]...
Black/Iberian Tri-Star with Absolute shoulder strap (http://www.tombihn.com/page/001/PROD/500/TB0940)
Packing Cube Backpack (Iberian as Steel not in stock) (http://www.tombihn.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=001&Product_Code=TB0924)
Eagle Creek Pack-It Folder 18 Black (http://www.bagworld.com.au/shop/detail/eagle-creek-pack-it-folder-18-black-41069/)
So at $US395 shipped for the Tom Bihn stuff and another $A30 for the Folder I've well and truly blown my $300 budget BUT hopefully this stuff will last the rest of my lifetime (with a travelling lifetime of say 20 years left it is only $24 per annum - accountants can justify anything!)
The packing Cube Backpack will be needed as I realise that my usual carry on is a backpack - which I would lose with the TB bag - and it comes in handy wandering around NYC. The Iberian pack will be pretty loud but hey, lets make a statement!
Thanks all for all your help!
So the question then becomes do I NEED any packing cubes/organisers etc. I've never used before and could probably live without, I think. I'm planing on getting an EC 18" folder so might leave it at that, for now, for ever!
Take care
Baghoarder
Apr 13, 12, 11:35 pm
@Tfar - Absolutely, come and visit. Australia is a very welcoming place
Visit an RMW shop and get fitted for boots then you can order online (cheaper too!) I'll certainly let you know how the 'roo boot compare BUT the wait for them is 8-10 weeks at the moment so don't hold your breath :mad:
I've gone back and read the sticky and poked around elsewhere re cubes - thanks for the pointer.
@Baghoarder - I can't PM at the moment - not enough posts and I've reached my PM limit!
Steel was never an option! Black/Iberian or Navy/Solar and I think I'm tending to the former although black is really not that exciting a colour. Here (http://the-gadgeteer.com/2009/11/06/tom-bihn-tri-star-travel-bag-and-accessories-review) is the review talking about the Cardinal attracting dirty.
I think I'll stick with the Black/Iberian. The thought of opening up the bag and being confronted by the Solar lining is a little scary!
Thinking about a trip I have to the US with my wife in July where we will both have carry on and I hope only one checked bag between us (so I can take care of this when required with my TB on my back and all she has to worry about is her carry on) I think I've finally made a decision.... [drum roll here please]...
Black/Iberian Tri-Star with Absolute shoulder strap (http://www.tombihn.com/page/001/PROD/500/TB0940)
Packing Cube Backpack (Iberian as Steel not in stock) (http://www.tombihn.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=001&Product_Code=TB0924)
Eagle Creek Pack-It Folder 18 Black (http://www.bagworld.com.au/shop/detail/eagle-creek-pack-it-folder-18-black-41069/)
So at $US395 shipped for the Tom Bihn stuff and another $A30 for the Folder I've well and truly blown my $300 budget BUT hopefully this stuff will last the rest of my lifetime (with a travelling lifetime of say 20 years left it is only $24 per annum - accountants can justify anything!)
The packing Cube Backpack will be needed as I realise that my usual carry on is a backpack - which I would lose with the TB bag - and it comes in handy wandering around NYC. The Iberian pack will be pretty loud but hey, lets make a statement!
Thanks all for all your help!
So the question then becomes do I NEED any packing cubes/organisers etc. I've never used before and could probably live without, I think. I'm planing on getting an EC 18" folder so might leave it at that, for now, for ever!
Take care
Congratulations, great selection! Black/Iberian is a great colour combo. (BTW thanks for linking to that review, great for so many accessories! His TS is a brighter red, Crimson, rather than Cardinal, I think.)
Remember those exorbitant shipping costs; the best time to throw in those packing cubes is now. My experience is that the TS, with its narrow compartments, works really well with packing cubes or folders. I have never used Eagle Creek but people seem to rave about them. It could be worth adding a small and a medium packing cube.
Not that I am trying to push you to make even more TB purchases ;), but if you are after a daypack, did you look at the Synapse backpack at all? I use one in black cordura for the gym and although I am really not a backpack person at all, I find it incredibly well designed. It is available in Steel dyneema (on back order) if you are after that sort of look and less weight. (I make an exception for Steel dyneema vs Steel ballistic...) It is bulkier but would be a sturdier option than the packing cube backpack if that is of any concern. It has better shoulder straps than the PCBP. I am considering getting one in dyneema to take on a trip to Bhutan next year to use as a day pack on short hikes.
Mark1966
Apr 14, 12, 12:04 am
Congratulations, great selection! Black/Iberian is a great colour combo. (BTW thanks for linking to that review, great for so many accessories! His TS is a brighter red, Crimson, rather than Cardinal, I think.)
That is good for you but does make me want the Cardinal to be available!
Remember those exorbitant shipping costs; the best time to throw in those packing cubes is now. My experience is that the TS, with its narrow compartments, works really well with packing cubes or folders. I have never used Eagle Creek but people seem to rave about them. It could be worth adding a small and a medium packing cube.
noooooo...... don't make sense and use logic at me! Maybe if I find later that I need them I can order and get sent to my hotel in the US!
Not that I am trying to push you to make even more TB purchases ;),
liar! :)
but if you are after a daypack, did you look at the Synapse backpack at all? I use one in black cordura for the gym and although I am really not a backpack person at all, I find it incredibly well designed. It is available in Steel dyneema (on back order) if you are after that sort of look and less weight. (I make an exception for Steel dyneema vs Steel ballistic...) It is bulkier but would be a sturdier option than the packing cube backpack if that is of any concern. It has better shoulder straps than the PCBP. I am considering getting one in dyneema to take on a trip to Bhutan next year to use as a day pack on short hikes.
I don't want to take another item, so the combination packing cube/backpack seems to be a good compromise - no more TB purchases are needed! :)
Thanks again - see you around (I hope!)
Baghoarder
Apr 14, 12, 1:15 am
:cool::)
tfar
Apr 14, 12, 3:13 am
Mark, have you already ordered the stuff? I want to give you some food for thought.
I do think the packing cube cum backpack is one of TB's best products and I own one myself (the Aeronaut model). That said, this (the one you picked) packing cube is basically just as big as the entire compartment of the TS. You are not adding any organization, you are only adding 200g and USD40.
I'd recommend ordering something like this:http://www.tombihn.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=001&Product_Code=TB0921
Same idea of two bags in one, except this one will actually be small enough to compress its contents thereby saving space and it will be small enough to create compartmentalization (long word) thereby organizing space. It's cheaper and lighter, too.
Do get an EC18 folder when you are in the States. You can pick them up at REI stores. They also feature their packing cubes. Wholeearth Prov. also has Eagle Creek.
Rick Steves Packing cubes are the lightest, I think, followed by Granite Gear. I think EC and TB are about the same in weight but TB is a bit more expensive. I also like the bigger handle on the EC cubes. They make it VERY easy to pull out a cube from a full bag or carry more than one cube at once.
The way I pack, my extra pair of shoes, boots in your case (bigger), get socks and briefs. This way they are optimally used. I normally have one packing cube. It gets rolled up and compressed t-shirts and undershirts. Between these items I like to stick the occasional fragile item I might carry. I've never had anything break this way. if I use a two sided packing cube (very nice invention) one side might get miscellaneous doodads like cables or cigar accessories, the other side gets the undershirts.
The EC folder gets shirts and ties. Wrap ties around shirts. Plain out best way to transport ties. Just be careful with the velcro closure.
You see? You have now packed everything you need very neatly and the only thing left are sweaters, pants and perhaps a suit jacket.
Wrap the pants around the shirt folder. Then use one of the described jacket folding techniques to wrap the suit jacket around that bundle. All of this goes in the compartment next to your body. The center compartment will take you laptop and office stuff. The boots are in plastic grocery bag so they don't sully your other items. They go in the outside compart laid out in a 69 configuration With the boots, one of TB's shoe compartments is probably not enough, so you can't use that separation wall. Doesn't matter. Put the boots in the center of the compartment. Soles up and down respectively. This will give you a good flat surface when you set the bag on the floor. The space to the left and right of your boots can be used for a sweater, the small packing cube and your amenity kit.
Kaching! Perfectly packed Tristar! :)
Till
Mark1966
Apr 14, 12, 5:26 am
Mark, have you already ordered the stuff? I want to give you some food for thought.
No [sigh] I haven't
I do think the packing cube cum backpack is one of TB's best products and I own one myself (the Aeronaut model). That said, this (the one you picked) packing cube is basically just as big as the entire compartment of the TS. You are not adding any organization, you are only adding 200g and USD40.
I'd recommend ordering something like this:http://www.tombihn.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=001&Product_Code=TB0921
Not sure that this will be as effective as a day pack though which is what I'm after, albeit in a compromised kind of way
Same idea of two bags in one, except this one will actually be small enough to compress its contents thereby saving space and it will be small enough to create compartmentalization (long word) thereby organizing space. It's cheaper and lighter, too.
I get the better packing value of these but I'm not so sure about them as a 'day pack' when sightseeing around NYC. Cheaper? Yes but only by $13 so not a deal breaker.
Do get an EC18 folder when you are in the States. You can pick them up at REI stores. They also feature their packing cubes. Wholeearth Prov. also has Eagle Creek.
Rick Steves Packing cubes are the lightest, I think, followed by Granite Gear. I think EC and TB are about the same in weight but TB is a bit more expensive. I also like the bigger handle on the EC cubes. They make it VERY easy to pull out a cube from a full bag or carry more than one cube at once.
I will be using the folder for some trips domestically before we travel to the US so will get one locally. I might compare sizes of the other brands of cubes with the TB ones - having them fit the bag properly seems to a newbie to be valuable.
The way I pack, my extra pair of shoes, boots in your case (bigger), get socks and briefs. This way they are optimally used. I normally have one packing cube. It gets rolled up and compressed t-shirts and undershirts. Between these items I like to stick the occasional fragile item I might carry. I've never had anything break this way. if I use a two sided packing cube (very nice invention) one side might get miscellaneous doodads like cables or cigar accessories, the other side gets the undershirts.
The EC folder gets shirts and ties. Wrap ties around shirts. Plain out best way to transport ties. Just be careful with the velcro closure.
You see? You have now packed everything you need very neatly and the only thing left are sweaters, pants and perhaps a suit jacket.
Wrap the pants around the shirt folder. Then use one of the described jacket folding techniques to wrap the suit jacket around that bundle. All of this goes in the compartment next to your body. The center compartment will take you laptop and office stuff. The boots are in plastic grocery bag so they don't sully your other items. They go in the outside compart laid out in a 69 configuration With the boots, one of TB's shoe compartments is probably not enough, so you can't use that separation wall. Doesn't matter. Put the boots in the center of the compartment. Soles up and down respectively. This will give you a good flat surface when you set the bag on the floor. The space to the left and right of your boots can be used for a sweater, the small packing cube and your amenity kit.
Kaching! Perfectly packed Tristar! :)
Till
Sounds an appealing way to pack and broadly what I was planning, without having done it though and as a newbie to this style of packing it is hard to know what will work best [sigh]
Maybe more thinking to do!
Mark1966
Apr 14, 12, 6:06 am
Quite a difference in sizes between the TB (designed for the TS) and the EC ones.
TB sizes as follows:
Large Packing Cube: 47.5 x 32.5 x 6cm
Medium Packing Cube: 32.5 x 28.8 x 6cm
Small Packing Cubes: 32.5 x 18.8 x 6cm
Packing Cube Backpack: 46 x 31 x 9cm
EC sizes:
Double 46cm x 33cm x 8cm
Cube 35.5cm x 25cm x 7.5cm
Two sided 36cm x 25cm x 10cm
Half 25cm x 18cm x 8cm
Quarter 19cm x 11cm x 6cm
Price here in OZ on the EC is much the same if not more than the TB ones.....
Baghoarder
Apr 14, 12, 3:06 pm
Quite a difference in sizes between the TB (designed for the TS) and the EC ones.
TB sizes as follows:
Large Packing Cube: 47.5 x 32.5 x 6cm
Medium Packing Cube: 32.5 x 28.8 x 6cm
Small Packing Cubes: 32.5 x 18.8 x 6cm
Packing Cube Backpack: 46 x 31 x 9cm
EC sizes:
Double 46cm x 33cm x 8cm
Cube 35.5cm x 25cm x 7.5cm
Two sided 36cm x 25cm x 10cm
Half 25cm x 18cm x 8cm
Quarter 19cm x 11cm x 6cm
Price here in OZ on the EC is much the same if not more than the TB ones.....
I think the custom-designed cubes allow you to optimize the packing space in a bag with the TS's design. Not so important in a single compartment bag.
Here's my offer. It should be abundantly clear that I suffer from Tom Bihn Acquisition Syndrome;), so I will PM you next time I am putting in an order. If you want to add in a couple of cubes (not worth the shipping costs on their own, obviously), I would be happy to express post them to you once my order arrives in MEL. Once your TS arrives if you wish you had got the extra cubes, let me know, because as long as I have things on back order (which I do at present), I could add them to those pending orders for you. Tick, tock.....
But that coffee will have to be in MEL, unless things have significantly improved in CBR recently!:D
Also, if you haven't already, check out the packing sticky. Till's first post there links to a demonstration of the "Brooks Bros" suit folding technique which is the best one I have seen (first link in first post); even my husband can use it! And it works. However, few people can execute it with Till's flair....
tfar
Apr 14, 12, 5:05 pm
Thanks, Baghoarder! It's true I've read about and even see people use this technique several times but I could never replicate it myself. One day I sat down and looked at several resources and explanations at the same time. When I understood it, I practiced and then made the video because I felt, if people had a video that they can watch over and over again for each step, they'd learn it much easier. It worked. :)
I now find it's easier to fold a suit than a shirt.
For the TS I recommend the other technique, though, the one I have put in photos:
http://www.1bag1world.com/blog/2009/8/8/suit-able-for-folding.html
The end result has a shape that is closer to the shape of the Tristar.
Mark, now that you listed the packing cubes I am using the half cube size most. Since the Bihn compartments are a bit shallower than what I have in the bags I use mine in, it would probably be good to go with the TB cubes, they are flatter. This way it will be easier to actually let the cubes do the compression.
For me, it's really important to use the cubes to their fullest. Otherwise I find the extra weight and volume is not worth the little bit of organization I get out of them. But when the cubes are used to gain volume in the bag, then I have a double effect and that's worth it.
Till
Baghoarder
Apr 14, 12, 5:14 pm
That second technique looks good too. Have you tried it with single vented suit jackets? It is clearly so well suited ('scuse the pun!) to double vents because the panels will lie flat easily at step 1.
tfar
Apr 14, 12, 5:21 pm
That second technique looks good too. Have you tried it with single vented suit jackets? It is clearly so well suited ('scuse the pun!) to double vents because the panels will lie flat easily at step 1.
Yes, it works with single vented suits, too. Or suits with no vent. It is just a matter of how far and at what angle you flip over the front panels. Try it out.
Now, one caveat. It won't work very well with a lady's jacket. They are often too short (the jackets not the ladies). I tried it on my GF's. It's ok but not great.
Till
Mark1966
Apr 15, 12, 5:00 am
Back on topic....
OK, for those who might follow this thread looking to answer the same question about the toughness of the Packing Cube BackPack (PCBP)....
Video review here (http://eaglebackpacks.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/tom-bihn-packing-cubebackpack.html)
Practical Travel Gear Review here (http://practicaltravelgear.com/packable-double-duty-backpack-from-tom-bihn/)
Practical Hacks review here (http://www.practicalhacks.com/2010/01/25/quick-take-tom-bihn-packing-cubebackpack/)
Travelite review here (http://www.travelite.org/?p=63)
Gadgeteer review here (http://the-gadgeteer.com/2008/10/06/tom_bihn_convertible_packing_cube_backpack_review/)
Flyertalk thread here (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-products/1159477-tom-bihn-convertible-packing-cube-backpack.html)
Consensus seems to be that the material is strong but offers no protection so that the camera and gear will need to be protected if inside. This is probably what I was really concerned about.
(Note: some of those reviews were for the shoulder bag cube or the Aeronaut PCBP but the material and principle will be the same)
Thanks for listening while I thought out aloud again!
Mark1966
Apr 15, 12, 5:04 am
Duplicate post
tfar
Apr 15, 12, 3:28 pm
Mark, that's exactly the one I have. Aeronaut Packing Cube backpack. It packs a lot of stuff. Very spacious. However, besides the two compartments there is no organization whatsoever. It will protect against a bit of rain but not against shock. It will not stand up on its own. It's basically nothing more than a nylon bag with zippers and straps.
I bought it because it was the right size and I liked the back-up daypack feature. To be honest, I have yet to use it as a daypack.
The nicest daypack for my own use that I found is the Eastpak Madison. Fantastic utility and dirt cheap because it's discontinued. Like $20 or so. I seriously bought three of them in different colors. I liked the first one so much that I then bought two more.
It is about 2/3 the size of the Aeronaut backpack cube. The pocket layout is great. It is very sturdy and comes with a lifetime warranty.
Read my review here:
http://onebagger.squarespace.com/obow-light-travel-forum/post/1146469
You could use that as an in-flight bag or personal item. Or you could just throw it in the main bag. Its material is much thicker than that of the TB product but it still folds small.
Till
Mark1966
Apr 15, 12, 4:42 pm
Till,
Thanks (yet) again.
I'm clearly a slow learner but am being challenged through this process to think more deliberately about what I'm doing (the days of just chucking stuff in are now gone).
So, what do I need?
The TS will become my main, sorry ONE, bag for domestic trips up to a week (if I can learn to pack correctly!)
For our US trip this year the TS will be my carry on (so I lose the backpack I normally take) and we will have my wife's carry on and a checked rolling bag. My wife's carry on will go on the handle of the rolling bag, the TS on my back so I can take all the luggage and she just needs to worry about her handbag when we are transiting with luggage.
This still leaves me without a day pack for NYC and Boston. While it seemed at first like a decent compromise the PCBP really is not designed to be treated like I treat a back pack. It is really only this type of trip I want it for and we have a checked bag so I think I'm just going to throw a small messenger style bag we have in the checked baggage or buy a light back pack (which costs less than $40) to throw in the checked bag.
While it seems a little silly to pack a bag in a bag at least it means piece of mind with a decent day pack.
It might also mean that this $40 can be spent on some packing cubes.....
tfar
Apr 15, 12, 11:14 pm
You're welcome, Mark.
Who says you can't use that bag that you intend to throw into the main suitcase as a packing cube? :)
Just stuff it to the gills and use it as a packing cube and organizer inside the main suitcase. No wasted space. When you are at the destination it is unpacked and repacked as your daily bag.
Our existing Colorado messenger bag will be fine for around NYC and I'll order an 18" EC Folder separately
Thanks for all the help and advice!
Mark1966
Apr 19, 12, 7:23 pm
IT IS HERE!
UPS Tracking is pretty impressive but I was anticipating delays due to Australian Customs. The on-line tracking showed the paperwork being done yesterday before the package had even arrived in Australia (it was onboard the UPS jet from Honolulu. With an Arrival Scan at 15:06, an Import Scan at 17:50 and a Departure Scan from Botany in Sydney at 23:29 I was resigned to another weekend BTB (that is Before Tom Bihn) because deliveries to Canberra are pretty problematic.
Returning to the office after a nice catch up coffee with my wife unexpectedly this morning I came across this:
Note: EC Folders nowhere to be seen from Aussie e-tailer!
tfar
Apr 19, 12, 9:13 pm
Mark, congrats on the new "travel companion"! And thanks for the pictures. Looks very stylish. :)
I am really looking forward to reading your packing notes and impressions as you start using the equipment.
Cheers,
Till
Mark1966
Apr 22, 12, 4:04 pm
First impressions from a noob on the TS:
not as big as I thought - which is a good thing will not look like a travel bag
those zipper pulls are noisy - read the threads on quietening then, will see how they go in real life first
did a quick test pack today - this thing has the physics of a woman's handbag - more goes in than is possible (see below)
packing cubes are great. Will get some more for general packing, probably just the EC ones from a local supplier because of postage.
My test pack was very quick and without trying to pack carefully. I stuffed RMs boots, toiletries, 5 days of socks and jocks, two pairs of jeans, 5 long sleeve shirts, 3 t-shirts and 3 polos along with a jumper into the thing as well as my laptop, papers etc. It looked stuffed to the gills and would probably not fit in the test unit at the gate but I could carry it easily enough.
More sensible packing could easily make this a 5 day bag WITHOUT having to wash.
I've taken some quick and nasty pics below of the TS compared to an old-fashioned briefcase. I've seen lots of pics with other TB bags or the Airboss or Patagonia MLC but nothing that gave me a perspective of what it looks like outside it competitors.
I hope they are helpful (click on them for full-size pics)
Thanks for the pics and review, Mark. These show the TS EMPTY, correct?
Till
Mark1966
Apr 22, 12, 10:18 pm
Thanks for the pics and review, Mark. These show the TS EMPTY, correct?
Till
Yes, the TS is empty in these pics. The briefcase is full.
It was more to show the relative overall dimensions compared to a briefcase. Packed full the TS will be way wider
tfar
Apr 22, 12, 10:38 pm
Thanks, Mark. Did you snap a picture with the TS packed to its gills next to the briefcase? That would be interesting. If not, maybe next time you pack it?
Also a gratuitous shot of those RMW boots in the TS would certainly reach instant cult status. ;)