flyingcrazy
Apr 3, 12, 4:46 am
Flybe?
More Easyjet routes to ABZ, EDI, GLA or Eastern Europe?
KLM Cityhopper to Amsterdam for feeder traffic?
More Easyjet routes to ABZ, EDI, GLA or Eastern Europe?
KLM Cityhopper to Amsterdam for feeder traffic?
U.K. and Ireland - what next for Southend?
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origin
Apr 3, 12, 2:36 pm
flybe are in a little difficulties at the moment. i dont know how easy it would be for them to develop. they have a new contract with brussels airline at the moment.
Ryanair might come in, if they can haggle the airport low on fees. I dont know who would win that contest, stobart and ryanair are in the same type of company.
Ryanair might come in, if they can haggle the airport low on fees. I dont know who would win that contest, stobart and ryanair are in the same type of company.
flyingcrazy
Apr 4, 12, 12:11 pm
flybe are in a little difficulties at the moment. i dont know how easy it would be for them to develop. they have a new contract with brussels airline at the moment.
Ryanair might come in, if they can haggle the airport low on fees. I dont know who would win that contest, stobart and ryanair are in the same type of company.
Ryanair's base in STN is too big for them to be interested in SEN
Personally I think Easyjet will move out of STN entirely and move all its STN ops over to SEN
This would turn SEN and LTN into Easyjet hubs and STN into a large Ryanair hub
Ryanair might come in, if they can haggle the airport low on fees. I dont know who would win that contest, stobart and ryanair are in the same type of company.
Ryanair's base in STN is too big for them to be interested in SEN
Personally I think Easyjet will move out of STN entirely and move all its STN ops over to SEN
This would turn SEN and LTN into Easyjet hubs and STN into a large Ryanair hub
Aviatrix
Apr 5, 12, 1:29 am
Ryanair's base in STN is too big for them to be interested in SEN
Personally I think Easyjet will move out of STN entirely and move all its STN ops over to SEN
This would turn SEN and LTN into Easyjet hubs and STN into a large Ryanair hub
Do you have inside knowledge, or is this just wild speculation?
As for Ryanair - they serve quite a few other destinations that are a stone's throw from each other, so I don't think the proximity to STN would be a reason for them not to start services from there. I'm not saying they will, but I don't think one should exclude the possibility just because SEN is less than an hour's drive from STN.
And as for Easyjet - I think they'd be foolish to give up STN in favour of SEN. They'd lose a fair chunk of their catchment area without gaining any new catchment area. The big disadvantage of SEN is that it's got water on two sides - which means no catchment area to the South and East. And people aren't very likely to drive to SEN from places like Cambridge, so any airline moving from STN to SEN would lose that market.
SEN sits on the edge of a fairly densely populated area, so it will probably fare better than NWI (which is similarly geographically challenged). And the fact that it now has a train station probably means that it will do better this time than it did last time it tried to be a London airport. I remember there being scheduled services from there in the 1980s, and I remember them all disappearing. It'll be interesting to see what happens this time round.
Personally I think Easyjet will move out of STN entirely and move all its STN ops over to SEN
This would turn SEN and LTN into Easyjet hubs and STN into a large Ryanair hub
Do you have inside knowledge, or is this just wild speculation?
As for Ryanair - they serve quite a few other destinations that are a stone's throw from each other, so I don't think the proximity to STN would be a reason for them not to start services from there. I'm not saying they will, but I don't think one should exclude the possibility just because SEN is less than an hour's drive from STN.
And as for Easyjet - I think they'd be foolish to give up STN in favour of SEN. They'd lose a fair chunk of their catchment area without gaining any new catchment area. The big disadvantage of SEN is that it's got water on two sides - which means no catchment area to the South and East. And people aren't very likely to drive to SEN from places like Cambridge, so any airline moving from STN to SEN would lose that market.
SEN sits on the edge of a fairly densely populated area, so it will probably fare better than NWI (which is similarly geographically challenged). And the fact that it now has a train station probably means that it will do better this time than it did last time it tried to be a London airport. I remember there being scheduled services from there in the 1980s, and I remember them all disappearing. It'll be interesting to see what happens this time round.
flyingcrazy
Apr 5, 12, 8:38 am
Do you have inside knowledge, or is this just wild speculation?
I cannot find the article but Ryanair commented on Easyjet's presence at SEN and whether it could one day be large enough to rival STN. I recall the Ryanair spokesman making a rather rude remark about SEN and said something like Ryanair would be ever increasing its STN presense so I presumed by those comments not only do Ryanair have no interest in SEN but also when STN gets new owners are intending on expanding there.
I cannot find the article but Ryanair commented on Easyjet's presence at SEN and whether it could one day be large enough to rival STN. I recall the Ryanair spokesman making a rather rude remark about SEN and said something like Ryanair would be ever increasing its STN presense so I presumed by those comments not only do Ryanair have no interest in SEN but also when STN gets new owners are intending on expanding there.
Mizter T
Apr 5, 12, 11:10 am
I don't think the runway at SEN is currently long enough for Ryanair's 737-800's, at least not when fully loaded.
Aviatrix
Apr 5, 12, 1:11 pm
I don't think the runway at SEN is currently long enough for Ryanair's 737-800's, at least not when fully loaded.
It's 1800m, which is the same as several other airports Ryanair uses (such as LBC)
It's 1800m, which is the same as several other airports Ryanair uses (such as LBC)
flyingcrazy
Apr 5, 12, 1:55 pm
what about holiday flights?
Thomson, Thomas Cook or Monarch starting up some services?
Thomson, Thomas Cook or Monarch starting up some services?
origin
Apr 8, 12, 10:28 am
As there are reports that STN is getting busy, especially during peak times. I expect more people to use Southend.
Aviatrix
Apr 8, 12, 3:12 pm
As there are reports that STN is getting busy, especially during peak times. I expect more people to use Southend.
Stansted getting busy? On the contrary, numbers have been steadily declining over the last five years.
http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2012-03-13/stansted-passenger-numbers-down/
Stansted getting busy? On the contrary, numbers have been steadily declining over the last five years.
http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2012-03-13/stansted-passenger-numbers-down/
origin
Apr 9, 12, 10:21 am
Stansted getting busy? On the contrary, numbers have been steadily declining over the last five years.
http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2012-03-13/stansted-passenger-numbers-down/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/9192167/David-Cameron-flies-towards-aviation-U-turn-on-Heathrow.html
Even ardent opponents of airport expansion might struggle to claim Britain can muddle along forever. As the slightest snowfall repeatedly shows, Heathrow is so full that a few delayed planes can quickly spiral into chaos. Last year it handled 69.4m passengers or almost 15m more than its theoretical design capacity. At peak times, Gatwick and Stansted are pretty stretched too.
I have seen the figures myself and was a little surprised that they had issues. One of the problems has been the recession and downturn over the past few years. Instead of using the opportunity to develop the airports during non peak times, we have ignored the issue.
http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2012-03-13/stansted-passenger-numbers-down/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/9192167/David-Cameron-flies-towards-aviation-U-turn-on-Heathrow.html
Even ardent opponents of airport expansion might struggle to claim Britain can muddle along forever. As the slightest snowfall repeatedly shows, Heathrow is so full that a few delayed planes can quickly spiral into chaos. Last year it handled 69.4m passengers or almost 15m more than its theoretical design capacity. At peak times, Gatwick and Stansted are pretty stretched too.
I have seen the figures myself and was a little surprised that they had issues. One of the problems has been the recession and downturn over the past few years. Instead of using the opportunity to develop the airports during non peak times, we have ignored the issue.
Aviatrix
Apr 9, 12, 11:06 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/9192167/David-Cameron-flies-towards-aviation-U-turn-on-Heathrow.html
As you posted the above in response to my post commenting on STN's declining numbers (which are a fact) I presume you are trying to prove me wrong?
The only reference I can find in this article to STN being busy is this:
"At peak times, Gatwick and Stansted are pretty stretched too."
And these are the journalist's own words, where are the facts and figures?
I find STN awfully quiet these days, compared with a few years ago. And the statistics show a decline in passenger figures. I trust the statistics more than some idle ramblings by some guy who writes for the Telegraph!
As you posted the above in response to my post commenting on STN's declining numbers (which are a fact) I presume you are trying to prove me wrong?
The only reference I can find in this article to STN being busy is this:
"At peak times, Gatwick and Stansted are pretty stretched too."
And these are the journalist's own words, where are the facts and figures?
I find STN awfully quiet these days, compared with a few years ago. And the statistics show a decline in passenger figures. I trust the statistics more than some idle ramblings by some guy who writes for the Telegraph!
origin
Apr 9, 12, 12:27 pm
As you posted the above in response to my post commenting on STN's declining numbers (which are a fact) I presume you are trying to prove me wrong?
The only reference I can find in this article to STN being busy is this:
"At peak times, Gatwick and Stansted are pretty stretched too."
And these are the journalist's own words, where are the facts and figures?
I find STN awfully quiet these days, compared with a few years ago. And the statistics show a decline in passenger figures. I trust the statistics more than some idle ramblings by some guy who writes for the Telegraph!
I have spent the past three months looking into the numbers of STN and other airports, for a totally different matter. I was just explaining the reason why I suggested that STN was being classed as busy. I am aware that over the past few years, airtravel in the UK has reduced. Everyone knows the reasons for that. It also lost the 3 position as major UK airport, with MAN overtaking it.
The only reference I can find in this article to STN being busy is this:
"At peak times, Gatwick and Stansted are pretty stretched too."
And these are the journalist's own words, where are the facts and figures?
I find STN awfully quiet these days, compared with a few years ago. And the statistics show a decline in passenger figures. I trust the statistics more than some idle ramblings by some guy who writes for the Telegraph!
I have spent the past three months looking into the numbers of STN and other airports, for a totally different matter. I was just explaining the reason why I suggested that STN was being classed as busy. I am aware that over the past few years, airtravel in the UK has reduced. Everyone knows the reasons for that. It also lost the 3 position as major UK airport, with MAN overtaking it.