Aegean Airlines Miles&Bonus - Non-earning Lufthansa classes - shock and outrage! [Consolidated]

Hi, I do not travel frequently but am yearning for that to change! I am visiting a friend in Bulgaria early next month, with the following itinerary booked through Lufthansa.com

STL - CLT - MUC -SOF
SOF - MUC - EWR - STL

While in Europe, I'll be using Aegean +- Turkish to make short legs around the area.

I never got too into miles due to rare flights and using random carriers leading to scattered miles accounts, and wanted to try for gold with Aegean to access clubs. I just opened up a miles account online with Aegean and called LH to associate my itinerary with A3 (A3 = aegean airlines, right?).

Am I likely to gain any miles from the LH trip? I've only looked at the issue for a short time, but it looks like L bookings don't accrue miles, but some say intercontinental trips may.

Please help a FF newbie out!

L class does not earn miles. That is assuming that the flight is a Lufthansa flight number, and that it is not a codeshare.

If you are lucky, it is a codeshare on US Airways. Then, you will get 100% miles.

L class does not earn miles. That is assuming that the flight is a Lufthansa flight number, and that it is not a codeshare.

If you are lucky, it is a codeshare on US Airways. Then, you will get 100% miles.

Thanks for the prompt reply, is this anything I can/need to work on, or should I just relax and realize I'm already traveling cheap and the miles will come later? It would've been a big boost/start to the 19k I need.

Thanks for the prompt reply, is this anything I can/need to work on, or should I just relax and realize I'm already traveling cheap and the miles will come later? It would've been a big boost/start to the 19k I need.
How did you book the ticket? If you booked directly with Lufthansa, it might be possible to "upfare" so that you can move into a mileage earning bucket.

How did you book the ticket? If you booked directly with Lufthansa, it might be possible to "upfare" so that you can move into a mileage earning bucket.

I did book from their website, so the flight code I have an LH. However, when i looked on flightstats.com (not the specific flight since it's too far in the future, but the same flight number), both US Airways and Turkish codeshare for it. Now this is only the CLT - MUC leg.

Since it's a codeshare, but I have a LH code, does that make a difference? I'm also flying on "Airways Express by Mesa" from STL - CLT, which means I'm flying on a US flight, but I also have a LH flightcode.

Thanks for all the help so far, learning a lot when I got something on the line!

Is the TATL flight OPERATED by LH or US? That's what matters for *A miles.

Is the TATL flight OPERATED by LH or US? That's what matters for *A miles.
CLT/MUC is a LH-operated flight.

Then the OP won't get miles with A3 M+B FFP on a LH L fare. Either the OP upfares or opens a LH M+M account to collect miles (50% IIRC).

Then the OP won't get miles with A3 M+B FFP on a LH L fare. Either the OP upfares or opens a LH M+M account to collect miles (50% IIRC).

100% on UA right now.

100% on UA right now.

Look at that. Nice one.

L bookings don't accrue miles

Does A3 gain anything if I credit a non-earning *A flight to M&B? E.g. the cheap LH L fares the OP had booked.

Do such flights show up in the M&B account statement as 0 tier & award miles?

Does A3 gain anything if I credit a non-earning *A flight to M&B? E.g. the cheap LH L fares the OP had booked.

Do such flights show up in the M&B account statement as 0 tier & award miles?

Nothing gets you nothing.

Nothing will show up as it earns nothing.

Nothing gets you nothing.

Nothing will show up as it earns nothing.

Actually, the question was does A3 gains anything if he credits a non-earning flight. Airlines compensate each other for taking the responsability of the miles, but as different programs give different amount, it's possible (and an interesting question) that there is a fixed compensation that is not a simple "x per mile you give"

Actually, the question was does A3 gains anything if he credits a non-earning flight. Airlines compensate each other for taking the responsability of the miles, but as different programs give different amount, it's possible (and an interesting question) that there is a fixed compensation that is not a simple "x per mile you give"
Maybe a more interesting question is whether crediting zero miles keeps your account active for the purpose of retaining *Gold status.

Maybe a more interesting question is whether crediting zero miles keeps your account active for the purpose of retaining *Gold status.

The wording of the T&C isn't clear, but it's most probably not the case. In other parts they states that a validated flight is one that "registered miles". So a flight that doesn't credit anything shouldn't work, but they don't state it explicitely in the part for account expiration.

The question about how airlines compensate themselves for giving miles is no less interesting in my opinion.

Maybe a more interesting question is whether crediting zero miles keeps your account active for the purpose of retaining *Gold status.

I don't think so - if the flight doesn't credit miles, it doesn't show any "activity" on your account, so therefore it doesn't keep your account active?

I don't think so - if the flight doesn't credit miles, it doesn't show any "activity" on your account, so therefore it doesn't keep your account active?
This would be my guess, but I've noticed recently that my award flights do appear on my DL account history. If a nonearning fare code still resulted in a line item in the A3 computer system, this could be a good way to cheaply keep an account active to maintain *Gold, although I realize that it's probably too good to be true.

This would be my guess, but I've noticed recently that my award flights do appear on my DL account history. If a nonearning fare code still resulted in a line item in the A3 computer system, this could be a good way to cheaply keep an account active to maintain *Gold, although I realize that it's probably too good to be true.

If it created a line on A3's computer system, I'd think that A3 would display it as "0 miles earned" or something...?

That's the idea.

Is it true that LH P class earns ZERO miles on A3 M&B?

What a joke. It seems to earn ZERO miles on TK M&S as well. Strange, cause on SK EB it earns 100% miles at least.

Is it true that LH P class earns ZERO miles on A3 M&B?

What a joke. It seems to earn ZERO miles on TK M&S as well. Strange, cause on SK EB it earns 100% miles at least.

P class was introduced recently by LH as a deeply-discounted business class fare. You can't expect every other *A programme to adapt in a few months. Even LH's website has problem displaying it correctly...

P class was introduced recently by LH as a deeply-discounted business class fare. You can't expect every other *A programme to adapt in a few months. Even LH's website has problem displaying it correctly...
Is P for short haul or long haul flights? How does it compare to Z class, which IIRC is discounted business class that cannot be upgraded, at least not with paper UA SWUs anymore.

Is P for short haul or long haul flights?

My knowledge of Lufthansa is superficial. It's supposed to be for both. It's "below Z" in term of flexibility (and supposedly less expansive, but I've yet to see an offer in this fare bucket for the route I fly).


How does it compare to Z class, which IIRC is discounted business class that cannot be upgraded, at least not with paper UA SWUs anymore.

It's non-changeable, non-refundable. In Z, you can change with a penalty.

P for long haul on LH.

M&B have just put out a new earning table for LH, but P is left out.

M&S have a new earning table for LH as of April 1st, and P is stated as non-earning.

Eurobonus and M&M have it as 100% only.

P for long haul on LH.

M&B have just put out a new earning table for LH, but P is left out.


From what I read on Flyertalk, it was introduced by LH in March. The new M&B table is valid from March 15th onward, so was certainly designed some time before. I would just wait for the next update to conclude it was intentional.

The difference with the version of the LH earning table is that P was removed from the economy-earning bucket, reflecting LH removing the "economy P bucket". But its reintroduction as a Business bucket happened at a later time, didn't it?

Or M&B is just following the pattern of not giving out miles for most inflexible fare.

Yes, I know very well when and why LH introduced P class, but SK and LH were very quick to put it out as 100% earning. I expected A3 and TK to do the same, TK put it as 0 % for sure. I fear A3 have done/will do the same.

Similar discussion going on in Aeroplan. Apparently not earning miles there either.

I am looking for flights to get *G with Aegean but obviously my most segments bypass flights with Aegean. I was looking for flights OPO-BRU which would earn me 3000 miles with economy basic on Lufthansa. But the fare class is T and that does not appear on Aegean charts. IS Aegean just not up to date or will I just get no miles?

I am looking for flights to get *G with Aegean but obviously my most segments bypass flights with Aegean. I was looking for flights OPO-BRU which would earn me 3000 miles with economy basic on Lufthansa. But the fare class is T and that does not appear on Aegean charts. IS Aegean just not up to date or will I just get no miles?

It's not on the Aegean website (or, at least, I don't think it is), but according to the A3 FAQ here:
There are several fare bucket that are not listed on the page: they don't earn any mile, not even the minimum miles, and don't count toward maintaining activity on the programme
It looks like you'd get nothing.

A3 earning charts are up-to-date. There is never ever any reason to assume that A3 added earnings to their program and forgot to tell about it in the charts.

LH T class earns very little on any *A program I am familiar with.

If the fare class and carrier aren't listed on the A3 website, it will not earn any miles at all. Even if somehow the A3 lists don't include new fare classes, there is no reason to expect retrospective miles.

The itinerary is OPO-FRA-BRU and back, so i get 750 miles for every leg with Lufthansa. It is not the economy saver fare but the basic fare, so I am wondering why A3 does not take it up in its charts. Anyway, on to looking if I can get a good itinerary with Swiss

Is it really necessary to start a thread about every LH booking class that is not listed in the A3 accrual chart? We have had P, T, L and K so far.

I do not want to offend anyone, just suggesting a single thread about booking classes not earning miles.

I just became a member of the A3 forum this week, so sorry for that. Anyway, attaining *G on A3 is not that easy as it appears to be.

You may find some ideas in this thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/aegean-airlines-miles-bonus/1289389-a3-g-challenge-who-have-most-creative-routing-achieve-g-shortest-time.html