JAL Mileage Bank - JAL unveils 787 interior specs

(obviously JALPak is asleep)

http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201203/002069.html

J class is getting Shell Flat Neo seats 2" wider than the seats on the 777s. Y seating will have 31.1" pitch and an additional 1" of width over the 777s. Not too inspiring compared to what ANA is doing. On the flip side, there will be washlets.^

(obviously JALPak is asleep)

http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201203/002069.html

J class is getting Shell Flat Neo seats 2" wider than the seats on the 777s. Y seating will have 31.1" pitch and an additional 1" of width over the 777s. Not too inspiring compared to what ANA is doing. On the flip side, there will be washlets.^

Yea I was sleeping ;)

So... outdated J seats, Y seats with knee-crushing pitch, and no premium economy.

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When JL introduces new flat J seats in the next year, will the shell flat-equipped 787s be moved to Asian regional routes (like SIN)? Surely they're not going to fly angled flat seats to BOS and SAN for the next 10+ years?

Surely they're not going to fly angled flat seats to BOS and SAN for the next 10+ years?

Why not? There is no competition.

So... outdated J seats, Y seats with knee-crushing pitch, and no premium economy.

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When JL introduces new flat J seats in the next year, will the shell flat-equipped 787s be moved to Asian regional routes (like SIN)? Surely they're not going to fly angled flat seats to BOS and SAN for the next 10+ years?

Why are yeven suprised? Their booking engine has been showing those for a long time. And we all know what JAL's Y seat pitch is like on long-haul flights

My guess is yes as this is not a KEY us market and as someone has already mentioned, there's no competition! But it is possible thAt they might install the newer C seats on 787s that are delivered in 2013 and use the older planes on regional flights. You never know!

So... outdated J seats, Y seats with knee-crushing pitch, and no premium economy.

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When JL introduces new flat J seats in the next year, will the shell flat-equipped 787s be moved to Asian regional routes (like SIN)? Surely they're not going to fly angled flat seats to BOS and SAN for the next 10+ years?

Excellent questions - why in heaven's name would they pay for new J seats with 171 degree recline?! Does lie-flat cost that much more?!

Several carriers are doing quite well selling PE seats, so this is a bit of a mistake IMO for them to not do this.

As I've been gearing up to do more OW flying, looks like Cathay may be a better option??

Excellent questions - why in heaven's name would they pay for new J seats with 171 degree recline?! Does lie-flat cost that much more?!

Several carriers are doing quite well selling PE seats, so this is a bit of a mistake IMO for them to not do this.

As I've been gearing up to do more OW flying, looks like Cathay may be a better option??

those are not new C seats. they are just the current generation ones

doing quite well? just like how NH originally planned to reduced PY cabin size by half and they didn't even seem to bother to add them back to their 773 after the Koito scandal? PY works for one carrier for a specific market and pricing strategy doesn't mean it will work for every carrier in every market.

Ah, well I was not implying the design of the J seats was new, but they just spent millions of dollars on brand new planes, so why not put the new design in, rather than paying for new old seats, if you catch my meaning?

As for Premium Economy, fair enough that it may not be profitable for the likes of JAL, NH and even TG, but they tend to sell quite briskly when you look at others such as NZ, QF, VA. This class of service is quite popular on several routes to North America so I'm surprised that NRT-LAX/SFO didn't seem to do as well.

Ah, well I was not implying the design of the J seats was new, but they just spent millions of dollars on brand new planes, so why not put the new design in, rather than paying for new old seats, if you catch my meaning?

As for Premium Economy, fair enough that it may not be profitable for the likes of JAL, NH and even TG, but they tend to sell quite briskly when you look at others such as NZ, QF, VA. This class of service is quite popular on several routes to North America so I'm surprised that NRT-LAX/SFO didn't seem to do as well.

designing seats takes time. 787 interior was designed a while back while they were still rolling out the NEO seats. We still don't know what their strategy is for the new C seats. I will wait till it is clear to make any judgement.

It doesn't look too bad to me. Is there something better than this available?

While fully flat J would be more impressive (like new CX and like AA is going to install in its new 77Ws to be delivered later this year and next year), it is nice to see JAL going with eight-across instead of the more narrow nine-across in economy. I think UA is going with nine-across in economy for its 787s.

Total capacity of just 186 sounds very low. That's just a few more seats than AA's 757s and fewer seats than AA's 763s.

It doesn't look too bad to me. Is there something better than this available?

Not yet. Soon, "on key US and Europe routes":

http://www.jal.co.jp/jmb/project2012/index_en.html

For now, these seats are the best in the JAL system.

Glad to see the 2-4-2 in Y. Hopefully most airlines will decide on that.

Keeping the existing J seats seems odd. Yes, developing seats costs a lot, but not as much as new airplanes.

I would have thought this is as good a time as any to go fully-flat, especially as so many airlines have or will soon have them on at least some of their planes (NH,CX,JQ,AA,UA,DL,AC,BA,LH,LX,QR,VS,AZ and others).

Keeping the existing J seats seems odd. Yes, developing seats costs a lot, but not as much as new airplanes.
JAL is already developing new fully-flat seats, it takes time. And not every market needs that

And not every market needs that

Fair point.


But seeing as JL is first flying the 787 to BOS and SAN, let's look at the US-Japan market.

I would suspect the vast majority of flyers use one of the following: UA,AA,AC,DL,KE,JQ,NH or JL. All of these carriers have fully-flat J seats on at least some of their planes (AA coming soon). I'm not sure off the top of my head if they are all on routes to Japan, but I suspect so. JL is the only one that has no fully-flat J seats.

That is why I thought it is a bit odd they decided against putting fully-flat J seats on the 787. Let's hope they come fairly soon.

Fair point.


But seeing as JL is first flying the 787 to BOS and SAN, let's look at the US-Japan market.

I would suspect the vast majority of flyers use one of the following: UA,AA,AC,DL,KE,JQ,NH or JL. All of these carriers have fully-flat J seats on at least some of their planes (AA coming soon). I'm not sure off the top of my head if they are all on routes to Japan, but I suspect so. JL is the only one that has no fully-flat J seats.

That is why I thought it is a bit odd they decided against putting fully-flat J seats on the 787. Let's hope they come fairly soon.

Have you read previous posts? Fully flat are coming in early 2013 on flights to KEY US and Europe routes

Have you read previous posts? Fully flat are coming in early 2013 on flights to KEY US and Europe routes

Actually, JL will plan the first 787 flight to SIN, DEL, PEK, SVO. Later this year JL will inaugural NRT-SAN sometime in late-2012. Once JL will accepted delivery the 787-8 Dreamliner.

Actually, JL will plan the first 787 flight to SIN, DEL, PEK, SVO. Later this year JL will inaugural NRT-SAN sometime in late-2012. Once JL will accepted delivery the 787-8 Dreamliner.

not SVO, it's DME. And no HND-PEK, NRT-DEL, NRT-DME will come AFTER BOS. NRT-SAN in Dec, NRT-HEL in Mar 2013. And your point? :confused:

Boeing has launched a special site for the delivery: http://www.newairplane.com/787/delivery/#/en/jal

You can see more interior photos there

I would suspect the vast majority of flyers use one of the following: UA,AA,AC,DL,KE,JQ,NH or JL. All of these carriers have fully-flat J seats on at least some of their planes (AA coming soon). I'm not sure off the top of my head if they are all on routes to Japan, but I suspect so. JL is the only one that has no fully-flat J seats.

AA: no fully flat seats
NH, DL and UA: fully flat seats on certain Japan routes only, and UA's are eight abreast
SQ and KE: fully flat seats, but only present in one nonstop market (LAX) which is a bear to connect through
AC: fully flat seats, but no nonstops from the US and not that many US cities served from YYZ and YVR

Have you read previous posts? Fully flat are coming in early 2013 on flights to KEY US and Europe routes

AA: no fully flat seats
NH, DL and UA: fully flat seats on certain Japan routes only, and UA's are eight abreast
SQ and KE: fully flat seats, but only present in one nonstop market (LAX) which is a bear to connect through
AC: fully flat seats, but no nonstops from the US and not that many US cities served from YYZ and YVR

I saw the posts up thread. My previous post was only trying to say that JL is the only real player in the US-Japan market that has no fully-flat J seats (again, AA coming somewhat soon).

As an outside observer, I would have guessed that JL would use the launch of their very nice, new plane to install new J seats; which would bring it up to speed with every other player in the US-Japan market. I consider JL to be a very good airline, with nice products and service, (just compare thier F product to that of AA/UA) so I am surprised to see them be so far behind in the fully-flat J game.

Of course, there are reasons for every decision an airline makes (whether they are good or not is always up to debate). For the reasons I have given, that is why I thought that JL putting angled seats in J is odd, which was my point in my first post.



(A quick note about AC's service to the US. A quick reviews shows AC flies to about 52 cities from YYZ and 11 from YVR. Seems like a lot to me.)

I saw the posts up thread. My previous post was only trying to say that JL is the only real player in the US-Japan market that has no fully-flat J seats (again, AA coming somewhat soon).

As an outside observer, I would have guessed that JL would use the launch of their very nice, new plane to install new J seats; which would bring it up to speed with every other player in the US-Japan market. I consider JL to be a very good airline, with nice products and service, (just compare thier F product to that of AA/UA) so I am surprised to see them be so far behind in the fully-flat J game.

Of course, there are reasons for every decision an airline makes (whether they are good or not is always up to debate). For the reasons I have given, that is why I thought that JL putting angled seats in J is odd, which was my point in my first post.



(A quick note about AC's service to the US. A quick reviews shows AC flies to about 52 cities from YYZ and 11 from YVR. Seems like a lot to me.)

you are talking about us-japan market. AA does not have lie-flat and their new 773 will not be used on the US-Japan market first. They haven't even announced the time line when they will add lie-flat seats on US-Japan flights vs JAL has already announced a rough timeframe.

If you count US-YYZ/YVR-Japan, you might as well count connections via Taiwan, HK, Korea, China etc

you are talking about us-japan market. AA does not have lie-flat and their new 773 will not be used on the US-Japan market first. They haven't even announced the time line when they will add lie-flat seats on US-Japan flights vs JAL has already announced a rough timeframe.

If you count US-YYZ/YVR-Japan, you might as well count connections via Taiwan, HK, Korea, China etc

It's great that you really like JL, but I am not sure why you are so determined to support them not putting fully-flat J seats on their newest plane.

In my brief analysis of the US-Japan market, I included the most prominent players. I don't think many people fly CX, and add thousands of miles to their trip. But if they did, they would have fully-flat J seats. :)

It's great that you really like JL, but I am not sure why you are so determined to support them not putting fully-flat J seats on their newest plane.

In my brief analysis of the US-Japan market, I included the most prominent players. I don't think many people fly CX, and add thousands of miles to their trip. But if they did, they would have fully-flat J seats. :)

There are more people that would do that than you think. For one, their ex-Japan I fare is competitive.

I don't see the problem of not putting a new fully-flat seats on any plane, let it be old or new, at all. I would rather them to take their time to develop a good product than rolling out terrible products like the CX coffin. There's no point of rushing some mediocre products out just because we have a new plane to be delivered soon

IME, people who pay for business class, or who get their companies to pay for business class, are usually more concerned about timing and convenience than about the quality of the seat. Some insist on flat beds but most are simply too busy to check what kind of seat they are going to get.

Looks like there's LOTS of legroom for the center bulkhead seats in row 23

http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/JAL78722.jpg

Looks like there's LOTS of legroom for the center bulkhead seats in row 23

http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/JAL78722.jpg

Yes, it is. I like more legroom. It's very comfortable. I love new 787-8 Dreamliner.

plenty of pics from airlinereporter

http://www.flickr.com/photos/airlinereporter/

Are we that good that USA Today thought the JAL Y seats are in fact business and C seats are F LOL

http://mediagallery.usatoday.com/Boeing delivers 787 Dreamliners to Japan Airlines/G3596

Yes, it is. I like more legroom. It's very comfortable. I love new 787-8 Dreamliner.

I guess that makes up for having only 4 exit row seats in Y. But then I am not sure if those seats would stay. NH will be adding PY seats to their 787 soon. Not sure if JAL will follow.

Maybe they are developing a new PY seats and are waiting to introduce them later or they just don't think PY works on these thin demand flights.