Travel Products - what carry-on makes someone a sophisticated traveller?

As you are boarding the plane and walk down the aisle. Which brand carry-on would make you think "yeah, that person is a sophisticated traveler" or "they did their hw before purchasing that bag"

I would be very unlikely to decide whether someone was a sophisticated traveller based purely on what brand of luggage they had. The phrase "all the gear, no idea" springs to mind :p.

i'd say something from the Rimowa, Tumi, Vuitton, or even Samsonite lines...

Not sure if one can easily attach that judgment to a brand. If by sophisticated you mean money, that's easy: an expensive bag.

If by sophisticated you mean stylish, I'd say Glaser Design, Tusting, Swaine Adeney, Madler (Zurich), Vuitton Epicuir, Hermes, Valextra or any of the Parisian brands.

If by sophisticated you mean hip, I'd say something by one of those hyped Japanese brands like Porter or some Selfedge collab.

As for the done homework, I'd probably say something like Redoxx, Tom Bihn, Andiamo, Opec bag, MEO and so on. Those are bags that are promoted by word of mouth and not usually available at ordinary retail stores.

But you can only know if someone has done their homework if you look at how appropriate the bag is for the task at hand, what did s/he pack and how.

For example, I'd proudly claim of myself to have done me homework regarding luggage and knowing how to pack. Well sometimes I travel with very common luggage like Tumi, Briggs Riley, Travelpro or Samsonite. And I maintain that the Plat5 22" roller is still one of the best out there.

I think BR trounces Tom Bihn just about every time and I haven't tried any Redoxx yet but use the similar Easygoing Carry-on bag (now discontinued) and the very simple A. Saks Expandable (that thing has stowage like a steamship).

However, I'd say you can recognize a traveler who has done the homework by how s/he passes through security and how they stow their stuff on board, how organized they are.

Sophistication comes from having learned the truth (sophia = Truth, knowledge) not from having bought the right brand. But yes, a little bit one would be able to deduct from the gear as outlined above.

Till

As you are boarding the plane and walk down the aisle. Which brand carry-on would make you think "yeah, that person is a sophisticated traveler" or "they did their hw before purchasing that bag"

This. (http://www.highsnobiety.com/news/2008/04/24/louis-vuitton-the-darjeeling-limited-luggage-collection/)

Or this.
(http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-products/1281944-definitive-real-life-ryan-bingham-thread.html)

None of them.

Just like everybody who drives a certain car isn't a race car driver, or eats in a certain restaurant a gourmet cook, it just means they bought an item.

Hope you're not asking because you want to know what to buy. Because that would be sad.

Rimowa, Tumi, Wenger, Samsonite and Travelpro suggest to me that the person either thought about what luggage to get... or simply has the dough and good taste. ;)

LV certainly not... I always see those (or fakes) on snobby F Pax. LV just tells me that you have more money than taste (or are properly embarassing if it's a fake). Not my style, but of course one can't argue about taste, it's always personal.

None of them.

Just like everybody who drives a certain car isn't a race car driver, or eats in a certain restaurant a gourmet cook, it just means they bought an item.

+1

Only someones ease at which they go through the process and not only understand but demonstrate etiquette- speaks to a pro.

The nicest Rimowa, B&R, Tumi- shoved in a bin sideways screams "amateur."

Tfar nailed it.

Uncle Dave

As you are boarding the plane and walk down the aisle. Which brand carry-on would make you think "yeah, that person is a sophisticated traveler" or "they did their hw before purchasing that bag"

What a depressing post . . . :(

None of them.

Just like everybody who drives a certain car isn't a race car driver, or eats in a certain restaurant a gourmet cook, it just means they bought an item.

+1^

I look at bags all the time but never at the person using it. Could care less who it is.

None of them.

Just like everybody who drives a certain car isn't a race car driver, or eats in a certain restaurant a gourmet cook, it just means they bought an item.

I can only agree to a certain point.

While not everybody who drives a certain car is a "race car driver", it does say something about you, as you and your car (or luggage) "represent".

For example: If you drive a new Dacia in Europe, chances are that you were only looking to get a "new" car (cheapest new cars in the market here, plenty of used cars would provide better value for less money, more safety, more fun, more practicality, efficiency, etc). You're probably a person who doesn't care much about driving and just want something cheap to get you from A to B.

You probably won't do a lot of business travel in it and it's unlikely to be a company car.

If you have a 320d however, you may have it for many good reasons that would make my post way too long, or of course just because it's your company policy, or because your neighbors have it and you liked the way it looked. However, it's a "sophisticated car" for a "sophisticated driver".

So you may have a Rimowa because you're German and you appreciate they're made here. Or just because you see them in every corner and like the way they look.

But it's probably more likely for a sophisticated traveller to use such "premium luggage", than $20 supermarket luggage that will fall apart after the first flight.

As usual, YMMV, it's all about personal preference and taste and there are exceptions to the rule.
(I actually still occasionally use luggage that I bought for $29 at Walmart when I just needed a bag. It's not quite sophisticated though. :D)

Other than that I am with Till. The most expensive luggage will only make you look like a d-bag if you stuff it sideways into the overhead, and the most sophisticated car will only be awkward if you can't drive properly.

I'd suggest a variation on the 'meat dress'. Find a hard-sided suitcase and make a plastic cover of all the business cards you've received. Bonus points if those business cards come from different countries and you get a cookie if you've covered all the major continets. :D

As a confessed luggage collector, I'd have to say that no particular brand will grant you an automatic pass to "Sophisticated Traveler" status simply because not everyone holds the same standards on any one particular brand. To me, I find "Status" in hand made luggage of heirloom design and fine craftsmanship. But whom among the general traveling public really would look at some of my luggage and say "Wow, that dude is sophisticated! Look, he's traveling with XYZ Luggage!"

Some may think Tumi is the top brand, others may think Briggs and Riley, while others, like me, go for hand made heirloom designs by smaller companies like J.W. Hulme made of fine leather. I'd venture to guess that over 90 percent of the flying public never even heard of J.W. Hulme luggage. So how would they know of the value and craftsmanship. And, is that even IMPORTANT to them? Probably not.

So it's personal, IMO. As a collector, I notice luggage all the time. But my guess is that most of the flying public does not have enough knowledge about quality brands or very high end brands to really know the difference in "Status" and thus "Sophistication".

Very interesting thread OP.

Hope you're not asking because you want to know what to buy. Because that would be sad.

not asking to buy, just asking to know what to look for when walking down the aisle.

I look at bags all the time but never at the person using it. Could care less who it is.

Guess I should rephrase the question... If you see a certain bag brand, you think to yourself "the owner of that bag really did their hw" not talking about going out and buying the most expensive bag here.

Guess I should rephrase the question... If you see a certain bag brand, you think to yourself "the owner of that bag really did their hw" not talking about going out and buying the most expensive bag here.

If you mean what do we think is a bag that tends to be chosen and used by an informed or experienced traveller (goodness it's tricky to capture the concept in this thread without straying into, well, snooty territory!), I suppose I would say that if I saw, say, a Red Oxx or Tom Bihn bag slung over someone's shoulder here in Australia I would probably deduce that the owner was a pretty enthusiastic traveller who liked travelling light and had done enough homework to decide that their bag was worth the not inconsiderable expense of shipping it over here from the States.

More the manner the traveller moves with the carry-on luggage, than the name-marque and price tag, I think.

If it is a nice Tumi, yet visually overloaded, being pushed, dragged, or otherwise manhandled with great effort through the airport, or up the aircraft aisle by an angry, red faced, passenger suffering from what appears to be diaphoresis, then the answer would be sadly, no.

Expensive but overloaded, bulging bags alone do not suggest a level of sophistication becoming of a traveller. Especially when they burst open, with diapers, underwear, and other unmentionables flying about, while in the process of being physically force-fed into the bin just over my head.

Similarly, struggling with an expensive Samsonite-branded creaking roller-case, trying, and fighting slowly to go everywhere but in a passenger's general direction, would make me feel sympathetic to the passenger's plight.

She or he is fighting with the luggage, and it's obviously off to a bad start.

Conversely, a passenger at ease, moving effortlessly through the airport, or aircraft aisle, with a no-name carry-on, lightly packed as the manufacturer intended, has my full admiration. Such an observation would suggest a person of travelling experience, and perhaps sophistication. If that person is then accomplishing this with a better branded case, then so much the better. I then take notice of the person, and the luggage case.

Carry-on luggage today should be light (or today perhaps Ultralight ), minimally packed, and easy to move and lift and remove from an overhead bin. The more one travels, the more one sees the good examples of travelling light with a carry-on.

Suggestions:

1. Pack very light onboard. Save the heavy bulk items for the checked bag, or case.
2. Choose good, well-made luggage that allows you to do this. You get what you pay for.

If you have a 320d however, you may have it for many good reasons that would make my post way too long, or of course just because it's your company policy, or because your neighbors have it and you liked the way it looked.

Really, people in Europe are impressed by a John Deere skid loader? :D Though truth be told, I wouldn't mind having one of those (or preferably a bob cat) in my back yard. But it won't make me a construction worker or excavator

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9908/jd527844ce642x462.png

Hah !

Good one, Mike.

Good one on the 320d, Mike. :)

You know, this thing works wonders with left lane hoggers. I got mine spruced up by Alpina (the first John Deere they ever did), leather seats, mini bar and all. You wouldn't believe how sophisticated I APPEAR in it. :D

Till

More the manner the traveller moves with the carry-on luggage, than the name-marque and price tag, I think.

If it is a nice Tumi, yet visually overloaded, being pushed, dragged, or otherwise manhandled with great effort through the airport, or up the aircraft aisle by an angry, red faced, passenger suffering from what appears to be diaphoresis, then the answer would be sadly, no.

Expensive but overloaded, bulging bags alone do not suggest a level of sophistication becoming of a traveller. Especially when they burst open, with diapers, underwear, and other unmentionables flying about, while in the process of being physically force-fed into the bin just over my head.

Similarly, struggling with an expensive Samsonite-branded creaking roller-case, trying, and fighting slowly to go everywhere but in a passenger's general direction, would make me feel sympathetic to the passenger's plight.

She or he is fighting with the luggage, and it's obviously off to a bad start.

Conversely, a passenger at ease, moving effortlessly through the airport, or aircraft aisle, with a no-name carry-on, lightly packed as the manufacturer intended, has my full admiration. Such an observation would suggest a person of travelling experience, and perhaps sophistication. If that person is then accomplishing this with a better branded case, then so much the better. I then take notice of the person, and the luggage case.

Carry-on luggage today should be light (or today perhaps Ultralight ), minimally packed, and easy to move and lift and remove from an overhead bin. The more one travels, the more one sees the good examples of travelling light with a carry-on.

Suggestions:

1. Pack very light onboard. Save the heavy bulk items for the checked bag, or case.
2. Choose good, well-made luggage that allows you to do this. You get what you pay for.

+1^

Really, people in Europe are impressed by a John Deere skid loader? :D Though truth be told, I wouldn't mind having one of those (or preferably a bob cat) in my back yard. But it won't make me a construction worker or excavator

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9908/jd527844ce642x462.png

Love it :D ^

Obviously not quite the 320d I had in mind - but you're right: If you commute in that thing, people will think you're a construction worker... [Just imagining taking one of those to the office... - I already have a reputation for bringing unusual vehicles since I'm a bit of a Petrol / Gear Head, but that would take it to a new level] :D

More the manner the traveller moves with the carry-on luggage, than the name-marque and price tag, I think.

If it is a nice Tumi, yet visually overloaded, being pushed, dragged, or otherwise manhandled with great effort through the airport, or up the aircraft aisle by an angry, red faced, passenger suffering from what appears to be diaphoresis, then the answer would be sadly, no.

Expensive but overloaded, bulging bags alone do not suggest a level of sophistication becoming of a traveller. Especially when they burst open, with diapers, underwear, and other unmentionables flying about, while in the process of being physically force-fed into the bin just over my head.

Similarly, struggling with an expensive Samsonite-branded creaking roller-case, trying, and fighting slowly to go everywhere but in a passenger's general direction, would make me feel sympathetic to the passenger's plight.

She or he is fighting with the luggage, and it's obviously off to a bad start.

Conversely, a passenger at ease, moving effortlessly through the airport, or aircraft aisle, with a no-name carry-on, lightly packed as the manufacturer intended, has my full admiration. Such an observation would suggest a person of travelling experience, and perhaps sophistication. If that person is then accomplishing this with a better branded case, then so much the better. I then take notice of the person, and the luggage case.

Carry-on luggage today should be light (or today perhaps Ultralight ), minimally packed, and easy to move and lift and remove from an overhead bin. The more one travels, the more one sees the good examples of travelling light with a carry-on.

Suggestions:

1. Pack very light onboard. Save the heavy bulk items for the checked bag, or case.
2. Choose good, well-made luggage that allows you to do this. You get what you pay for.

Agreed, you can spot one at 100 yards!

Rather than the luggage I think knowing whether they have a towel in the bag is crucial to knowing if they are very experienced at traveling very long distances.

Definitely the $5500 bag from Barneys I saw advertised in Conde Nast Traveler. :rolleyes:

Rather than the luggage I think knowing whether they have a towel in the bag is crucial to knowing if they are very experienced at traveling very long distances.

As in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe ?

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Rather than the luggage I think knowing whether they have a towel in the bag is crucial to knowing if they are very experienced at traveling very long distances.

As in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe ?

Well you certainly exposed my little joke. ;)

But he did travel VERY far.

Arthur Dent certainly did, as did Douglas Adams.
Great reading on a long transatlantic flight for the sophisticated traveller.

Strange: I like the old UK original series much better than the recent Hollywood movie.

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Arthur Dent certainly did, as did Douglas Adams.
Great reading on a long transatlantic flight for the sophisticated traveller.

Strange: I like the old UK original series much better than the recent Hollywood movie.

I should try to find the old shows on Netflix or something. I didn't watch at the time. I agree that the movie was a disappointment.

There is a lot to what Till said. I basically agree except for probably the Samsonite in my opinion. But I really don't look at the bags. Anyone can by a bag. I look at the tags to see if they are an experienced traveler.

I have a bright yellow FT tag on mine, will that do? :D

Arthur Dent certainly did, as did Douglas Adams.
Great reading on a long transatlantic flight for the sophisticated traveller.

Strange: I like the old UK original series much better than the recent Hollywood movie.

Just beware of the leopard....

I still think you have to read the books. There's no substitute for one's own imagination with these things.

On that note I watched some of the first episode (1981) last night.

The electronic book was original: Perhaps they should go after Apple and ebooks.

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I have a bright yellow FT tag on mine, will that do? :D

In my mind, that works!

Q:What makes a sophisticated traveller?
A:Watch George Clooney in Up In the Air

Q:How much is that yacht?
A:If you need to ask, you can't afford it.

I typically walk around airports toting my Louis Vuitton in one hand and my Vertu cell phone in the other sporting an Armani blazer with a Hermes Cravat while asking passers-by in my heavy French Accent... "Pardon me, but, do you know where I could get a decent flute of Veuve Clicquot before my first class flight to Paris?"

Most casual travelers often say, "WOW! He's such a SOPHISTICATED traveler!"
:D

However, I'd say you can recognize a traveler who has done the homework by how s/he passes through security and how they stow their stuff on board, how organized they are.

Sophistication comes from having learned the truth (sophia = Truth, knowledge) not from having bought the right brand. But yes, a little bit one would be able to deduct from the gear as outlined above.

Till

This. This, so much.

I believe, almost all of you on this forum, have something which I have dubbed "The Traveller Swagger".

I myself, do not yet have "The Traveller Swagger", I have only been flying continuously for ~6 months, so I am fairly new. However, when I see these type of travelers, like most of you I am sure are, and I am so envious.

A state of serenity, or calm, is very hard to fake. This is something that all sophisticated travelers share, but there is also a lot in the way you folks walk. The pace, is extremely relaxed, well spread steps. When you go through security, there is no real rush in your movements, yes there are exceptions, when your running late, etc. However, most of the time, its calm and relaxed. The most important aspect of the sophisticated travelers body to look at though is the face, I find it amazing, that even when TSA is right there on your case, this type of traveler will not express any emotion besides contempt.

Think about it, families with small children, they are stressed, non-stop, its written on parents faces, students travelling with their friends or their school are giddy with excitement, elderly couples are generally always cautious and on the look-out, paying attention to their surroundings. However, the sophisticated traveller, knows where he is going, knows the procedures inside-out, etc.


Sham

I typically walk around airports toting my Louis Vuitton in one hand and my Vertu cell phone in the other sporting an Armani blazer with a Hermes Cravat while asking passers-by in my heavy French Accent... "Pardon me, but, do you know where I could get a decent flute of Veuve Clicquot before my first class flight to Paris?"

Most casual travelers often say, "WOW! He's such a SOPHISTICATED traveler!"
:D

It is unlikely that that is exactly what I would say. Actually it isn't even close. ;).

Hermes
None of them.

Just like everybody who drives a certain car isn't a race car driver, or eats in a certain restaurant a gourmet cook, it just means they bought an item.
OTOH, hermes does let you design your own :cool:
LV certainly not
steamer trunk? vintage or bespoke.
bin sideways screams "amateur."
ive had to do that to get a B&R to fit

Granted, a Vertu is a very sophisiicated mobile phone.

Unless you refer to it as your Handy, ( as do our cousins North of the frontier ) or have one covered in Swarovski stones. That and attempting to use airline luggage for yaching ( duffle bags always) would immediately remove you from the list for dashing sophisticants.

I can usually tell if the passengers are savvy fliers by looking at their feet. If they are wearing high heels or flip-flops, they are totally unprepared for an evacuation. There were 46 evacuations in 20 months (http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/safetystudies/SS0001.pdf), so an evacuation is always a possibility.

George

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I can usually tell if the passengers are savvy fliers by looking at their feet. If they are wearing high heels or flip-flops, they are totally unprepared for an evacuation. There were 46 evacuations in 20 months (http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/safetystudies/SS0001.pdf), so an evacuation is always a possibility.

George

I believe the proper denominator for discussions of evacuations is flights, not months.

Granted, a Vertu is a very sophisiicated mobile phone.

Unless you refer to it as your Handy, ( as do our cousins North of the frontier ) or have one covered in Swarovski stones. .

It would certainly grant you a pass to the "I just wasted an outrageous amount of money on a blinged-out communication device" club. ;)

"Nouveau riche" springs to mind.

I'd be more likely to judge a persons travel prowess by how smart they traveled... size of carry-on, location of seat, ease at which they navigate the travel experience, etc. and less on the brand of luggage they carry.

In fact, If they carried some crazy brand name I would be more likely to think that they were an insecure traveller/person and were over compensating... ;)

Well, there are a few definitions of "Sophisticated".
One that would seem to apply here is;
Having a refined knowledge of the ways of the world cultivated especially through wide experience

Walking around airports toting a Louis Vuitton in one hand, a Vertu cell phone in the other while sporting an Armani blazer with a Hermes Cravat may "appear" to be sophisticated to some. Others would find it simply gauche.

Because "sophisticated" may have a slightly different meaning between people, it's hard to define. Each will judge sophistication on their own merit.

Actually a cravat is a very practical, unisex, and elegant item here in Europe.

It warms the neck in cooler weather, and is worn as sort of a cross between scarves and silk ties. Acceptable in most good restaurants with a jacket but in lieu of a tie.

There was a time when flying First Classe required a jacket, at least for Interliners.

Actually a cravat is a very practical, unisex, and elegant item here in Europe.

It warms the neck in cooler weather, and is worn as sort of a cross between scarves and silk ties. Acceptable in most good restaurants with a jacket but in lieu of a tie.

There was a time when flying First Classe required a jacket, at least for Interliners.

Good points.

In a way, I miss the days of required jacket and tie (or cravat).

Having someone else take care of your carry-ons.

Good points.

In a way, I miss the days of required jacket and tie (or cravat).

I, on the other hand, do not miss that.

I, on the other hand, do not miss that.

I respect your point of view.

I fear it's gone too far the opposite. I'm seeing a lot of sweatpants, curlers in the hair (yes, I've seen this), and people that look like they just rolled out of bed. It would not hurt to have some self-esteem when out in public. How hard can it be to shave, comb your hair and pull on a pair of pants?

Unfortunately, your point of view is the rule of the day. When you have PAX that could not be bothered to even put on clothes for travel, other than the sweats they slept in, then I guess it is what it is.

I did have a PAX next to me in first once tell me she was upset because First Class looked like steerage. She happened to look like she just stepped out of a Vogue Magazine ad. She commented that I was wearing a suit and she liked the fact that I was. I told her I had to, since I had a business meeting the moment I got to the airport, grabbed a cab, and got to the meeting place.

Honestly, for the last few years of flying, I do not wear a jacket or tie. Jeans or Khaki and a nice shirt is my standard fare. But I do not wear sweats, not even for my ORD to HNL flights that I take quite often.

I respect your point of view.

I fear it's gone too far the opposite. I'm seeing a lot of sweatpants, curlers in the hair (yes, I've seen this), and people that look like they just rolled out of bed. It would not hurt to have some self-esteem when out in public. How hard can it be to shave, comb your hair and pull on a pair of pants?

Unfortunately, your point of view is the rule of the day. When you have PAX that could not be bothered to even put on clothes for travel, other than the sweats they slept in, then I guess it is what it is.

I did have a PAX next to me in first once tell me she was upset because First Class looked like steerage. She happened to look like she just stepped out of a Vogue Magazine ad. She commented that I was wearing a suit and she liked the fact that I was. I told her I had to, since I had a business meeting the moment I got to the airport, grabbed a cab, and got to the meeting place.

Honestly, for the last few years of flying, I do not wear a jacket or tie. Jeans or Khaki and a nice shirt is my standard fare. But I do not wear sweats, not even for my ORD to HNL flights that I take quite often.

I typically dress as you describe. So it isnt that I think people should wear curlers.

when there is no dress code there is no dress code
social standards are a bigger issue
the REAL problem is not enforcing rules, like dress codes

The nicest Rimowa, B&R, Tumi- shoved in a bin sideways screams "amateur."...Or, alternatively, "selfish git" :D

..while others, like me, go for hand made heirloom designs by smaller companies like J.W. Hulme made of fine leather. Plus the rest of us are not gonna hand over our fine tooled luggage to airline baggage handlers. That keeps me in the B+R territory.

I typically walk around airports toting my Louis Vuitton in one hand and my Vertu cell phone in the other sporting an Armani blazer with a Hermes Cravat while asking passers-by in my heavy French Accent... "Pardon me, but, do you know where I could get a decent flute of Veuve Clicquot before my first class flight to Paris?"

Most casual travelers often say, "WOW! He's such a SOPHISTICATED traveler!"
:DOK robbierunner, that's enuf ! or, should I say, e-naff! :D

I typically walk around airports toting my Louis Vuitton in one hand and my Vertu cell phone in the other sporting an Armani blazer with a Hermes Cravat while asking passers-by in my heavy French Accent... "Pardon me, but, do you know where I could get a decent flute of Veuve Clicquot before my first class flight to Paris?"

Most casual travelers often say, "WOW! He's such a SOPHISTICATED traveler!"
:DOK RobbieRunner, that's enuf ! or, should I say, that's e-naff! :D

[putting a bag into the overhead bin sideways?]
ive had to do that to get a B&R to fitWrong B+R then! Failed! :-)

A lot of good answers in this thread.

For me, the bottom line is knowing your own needs and keeping the carry-on light (essentials only). The student on Spring Break may need nothing more than a backpack with a couple of books, laptop, prescription meds, and a toothbrush. The occasional traveler on the two week family vacation may need a change of clothes, toiletries, e-reader, meds, and other personal items in a rollaboard. The business traveler who will be gone from Sunday through Friday will need to pack a suiter rollaboard with two suits (in addition to the one they are wearing), an extra pair of shoes, nightgown, toiletries (all within TSA regss), meds, iPad, make-up, underwear, etc., and keep it all from bothering fellow travelers.

It doesn't matter what it looks like, as long as it doesn't crowd the aisles, bump into people as you are boarding the flight, or take up excessive amounts of room in the overhead bin. And you should be able to lift it into the bin yourself. The "sophisticated" traveler is, ultimately, courteous and respectful of fellow passengers.

"what carry on"

or

"ONLY carry on, no checked"

Wrong B+R then! Failed! :-)
im not sure what youre talking about, but my bag was compliant with published travel requirements. aircraft vary. ive experienced both.

Actually a cravat is a very practical, unisex, and elegant item here in Europe.

It warms the neck in cooler weather, and is worn as sort of a cross between scarves and silk ties. Acceptable in most good restaurants with a jacket but in lieu of a tie.

There was a time when flying First Classe required a jacket, at least for Interliners.

I picked up on the word "Hermès" rather than the word "cravat". Of course, the real test would be to ask someone wearing such a cravat how they pronounce "Hermès"...

I picked up on the word "Hermès" rather than the word "cravat". Of course, the real test would be to ask someone wearing such a cravat how they pronounce "Hermès"...

Oui, mon ami.

Hermies?
Hurmeeze?
Hermay?
Or perhaps...
ErMai? :D

C’est l’etiquette.

Oui, mon ami.

Hermies?
Hurmeeze?
Hermay?
Or perhaps...
ErMai? :D

C’est l’etiquette.

As in the plural version of the diminutive of Herman.

As in the plural version of the diminutive of Herman.

:D^

I don't believe I would ever make an association to which the OP is referring. It would literally be one of the last things that I'd consider in my assessment of whether someone is a seasoned traveler.

BTW, I've never thought of anyone as a sophisticated traveler. What the heck is that supposed to be anyway? Rich? Status conscious?

As you are boarding the plane and walk down the aisle. Which brand carry-on would make you think "yeah, that person is a sophisticated traveler" or "they did their hw before purchasing that bag"

zero carry on is the most sophisticated... wallet in pocket, passport in jacket along with reading glasses.

zero carry on is the most sophisticated... wallet in pocket, passport in jacket along with reading glasses.

since when do FTers check? :D

zero carry on is the most sophisticated... wallet in pocket, passport in jacket along with reading glasses.

You will pry my iPad out of my cold, dead (well-manicured and oh-so-sophisticated :D) fingers. And let's not forget my handbag, please. Ve-rah sophisticated. ;)

zero carry on is the most sophisticated... wallet in pocket, passport in jacket along with reading glasses.

Check out some of the old photos of Agnelli- he used to travel with just a small briefcase- it really did look very good (of course there were probably staff setting things up ahead of him but let's not that ruin a good story).

As you are boarding the plane and walk down the aisle. Which brand carry-on would make you think "yeah, that person is a sophisticated traveler" or "they did their hw before purchasing that bag"

Definitely Tumi

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people still wear nightgowns?

Well sometimes I travel with very common luggage like Tumi, Briggs Riley, Travelpro or Samsonite. And I maintain that the Plat5 22" roller is still one of the best out there.
Till

maybe I shop in the wrong place, but Tumi and Briggs & Riley on on way different levels than Samonsite and Travelpro - from warranty to price. Neither are common (even travelpro amongst non airline profressionals)

Check out some of the old photos of Agnelli- he used to travel with just a small briefcase- it really did look very good (of course there were probably staff setting things up ahead of him but let's not that ruin a good story).

A small briefcase on its own definitely sends me a message, now that you mention it, but only to reinforce an impression already created of experience and sophistication. The last time I flew JFK-LAX en route back to MEL I went through security with a very elegantly dressed man who had a very small - no bigger than 18" or so - LV wheeled bag (not sure which one it was; perhaps something in Taiga) and a matching portfolio. Normally I would not be impressed by the mere sight of someone carrying LV. The smaller bags have become very common where I live, to the point where I would say they have devalued their own brand a little through market saturation. But in this case it was the way the slim, understated bags (yes, understated, elegant proportions, no monogram, no bulky external pockets, or loud stripey personalization:)) conformed so perfectly to the attitude of the traveller which caught my eye.

At the end of the day though, it was still the attitude of the man himself, the way he traversed the security line and the concourse etc, not his choice of bag, that indicated he was a confident, experienced traveller.

I picked up on the word "Hermès" rather than the word "cravat". Of course, the real test would be to ask someone wearing such a cravat how they pronounce "Hermès"...
air-mez

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people still wear nightgowns?

Yes. Silk ones. With matching robes, even. I'd show you, but my husband might not approve. ;)

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Yes. Silk ones. With matching robes, even. I'd show you, but my husband might not approve. ;)

I agree - if you are going to the trouble of wearing a nightgown it should definitely be silk! :p Plus they pack down to nothing so really they are the light traveller's choice!

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people still wear nightgowns?

Only in first class - this may explain your question :D

air-mez

It looks as though we have a winner :cool:

Indeed.
There is a Hermes shot in Seattle and in Waikiki that I frequent with my girlfriend.
She has always been very good at actually pronouncing the name correctly. But both of us lived in France for a few years. We had better know how to pronounce it.

I have come to the conclusion that an Hermes Cravat is the ticket. You can carry an American Tourister hardshell from 1975, but as long as you have the Hermes Cravat, you are indeed "sophisticated". :D

Indeed.
There is a Hermes shot in Seattle and in Waikiki that I frequent with my girlfriend.
She has always been very good at actually pronouncing the name correctly. But both of us lived in France for a few years. We had better know how to pronounce it.

I have come to the conclusion that an Hermes Cravat is the ticket. You can carry an American Tourister hardshell from 1975, but as long as you have the Hermes Cravat, you are indeed "sophisticated". :D

When you first gave your description of this mysterious, sophisticated traveler; the term that came to my mind rhymed with banker.

The cravat definitely brings that out. ;)

When you first gave your description of this mysterious, sophisticated traveler; the term that came to my mind rhymed with banker.

The cravat definitely brings that out. ;)

Passez-moi le pop-corn, s'il vous plaît.

Passez-moi le pop-corn, s'il vous plaît.

I doubt it will be that entertaining. There just arent a lot of cravat wearers ;)

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Yes. Silk ones. With matching robes, even. I'd show you, but my husband might not approve. ;)

PICS! Or it didn't happen... :p

I doubt it will be that entertaining. There just arent a lot of cravat wearers ;)

It only takes one...

Liberace wins! :D
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/prowesswelder/th_liberaceCravat.jpg
Cain is the Runner up
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/prowesswelder/th_caincravat.jpg
Mr. Pompous comes in third
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/prowesswelder/th_cravat.jpg

If you honestly care what someone else thinks of your carry-on luggage, then you have already lost the "sophisticated person" game.

Briggs Riley plus my Saddleback leather briefcase. Even the TSA guys comment on the briefcase.

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Liberace wins! :D
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/prowesswelder/th_liberaceCravat.jpg
Cain is the Runner up
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/prowesswelder/th_caincravat.jpg
Mr. Pompous comes in third
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/prowesswelder/th_cravat.jpg

Some of those pictures are, well, old.

I'm not sure the effect would be the same this century. ;)

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Some of those pictures are, well, old.

I'm not sure the effect would be the same this century. ;)

Try finding a lot of "modern" cravat pics! ;) The whole turn of the thread to cravats is satyric anyway. Liberace not withstanding. :D

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If I have enough time to ever get to another FT do I may have to get a cravat though. ;)

Strange how one notices cravats resulting from this post.

Just back from Frankfurt ( business ) where no one was wearing a cravat that I saw.

But while there, I watched an old Anthony Hopkins film " The 10th Man. " His character post-war France, had an old thread-bare suit, and a beard, yet later wore a cravat with both and looked quite good.

Sophisticated ? Yes I think so, from a distance at least. Immeasurably better than a track suit.

Another time, another generation.

I have very much enjoyed this thread. Especially since the Cravat chatter. :)

Gadget, you'd probably look dashing in a Cravat! (Isn't that the proper British term for the look? Dashing!)

Swissaire, I happened to see that flick! Yes! I remember the Cravat! Bravo.

i wear a cravet whenever one must wear a tie. i cannot wear a tie since i had throat cancer about 10 years ago. most of those that do cute comment are a--holes wearing apparel with designer labels showing. now, i consider that to be a really serious character defect and a show a complete lack of class(for lack of better word).

is hermes, lauren and zenga your identity? what underwear do you have on? your sox gotta logo?

FWIW, I like my Hermes ties. There is no branding, in terms of name, but the clues are there for colours and "animals". For those who know, know what it is. For those who don't, well, it makes no difference to me. :)

i wear a cravet whenever one must wear a tie. i cannot wear a tie since i had throat cancer about 10 years ago. most of those that do cute comment are a--holes wearing apparel with designer labels showing. now, i consider that to be a really serious character defect and a show a complete lack of class(for lack of better word).

is hermes, lauren and zenga your identity? what underwear do you have on? your sox gotta logo?

at the moment I'm going commando.

at the moment I'm going commando.

:D^
Moi aussi, mon ami Moineau (Sparrow). C'est naturelle. Voila! Sans sous-vêtements

I say, if you like it, wear the Cravat. Why not?

I am into "Haute Couture" anyway. Fashion sometimes starts with trend-setters.
;)

Let's all start wearing Cravats first thing Monday.

:D^
Moi aussi, mon ami Moineau (Sparrow). C'est naturelle. Voila! Sans sous-vêtements

Ahhh, we are providing our fellow FTers with all sorts of unwanted visuals in their brain. I knew that there was a point to this thread, we just had to discover it.

I say, if you like it, wear the Cravat. Why not?

I am into "Haute Couture" anyway. Fashion sometimes starts with trend-setters.
;)

Let's all start wearing Cravats first thing Monday.

I tend to feel like I'm choking when I wear anything around my neck. I never wear a tie if I can help it, so I'm sorry to say I can't join you in this new fashion movement.

Ahhh, we are providing our fellow FTers with all sorts of unwanted visuals in their brain. I knew that there was a point to this thread, we just had to discover it.

As Austin Powers, a fellow Cravat-Wearer would say.... "Oh Behave!" :D


I tend to feel like I'm choking when I wear anything around my neck. I never wear a tie if I can help it, so I'm sorry to say I can't join you in this new fashion movement.

I am sorry you won't be joining in. I'll wear TWO so as to make up for your absence. ;)^

As Austin Powers, a fellow Cravat-Wearer would say.... "Oh Behave!" :D



I am sorry you won't be joining in. I'll wear TWO so as to make up for your absence. ;)^

great, I can still feel a part of it then :cool:

Don't worry, Moineau, I've got you Covered.... or Cravatted. :D

LTTWLux, I have a fine leather set too from J.W. Hulme. But I doubt many people that see me travel with it are impressed or would say "Wow, how Sophisticated." I certainly don't feel "Boss" toting it. ;)

Truth be told, if it's a "Sophisticated" look you are going for, it's probably a combination of many things. Accessories, attitude, clothes, style, conversation, and how you conduct yourself. Luggage may play a part, but I'm not sure it's the hallmark of sophistication, unless you are really into luggage. If you are then you may place a very high opinion on fellow-travelers by the luggage they tote.

Because I'm into luggage, I tend to notice. But my guess is a majority of the traveling public don't even bother to look. They just want to get from point A to point B as fast and as cheaply as possible.

Robbie, I very much agree. That said, however, I also notice that the minority who does carry "special stuff" is usually happy, when you notice and make a sincere compliment of it. In a way it works like the secret identifier of a minority group (those with taste and/or brain). Most won't even notice but when you do, you know you probably belong to that group. ;)

Till

So I have learned a few things. First, a cravat was historically a very formal clothing item. It was tied outside the collar and usually only for formal occasions. What Austin Powers was wearing I think is sometimes called a "day cravat" or an ascot. This is work under the collar/shirt. I actually have been reading about this on the internet. Honest. I have. I looked around my hotel on Sunday to see if they had a clothing store to buy an ascot but alas they did not. Sunday night was one of the very rare occasions that I wore a sport coat and I was going to wear a day cravat, but alas, none to be found. Going to Italy week after next. I have some shopping to do. ;)

I am a little concerned about how my colleagues I will meet in Italy will react. It isnt the day cravat per se, it is that I never wear ties either. Switching from ties would be less dramatic than all of a sudden going from never wearing a tie to wearing one.

GF, yes the cravat worn over the shirt is quite formal, worn with a morning suit or even the evening attire swallowtail.

The ascot is the 'debonnairish' scarf of gentlemen and playboys over 50. Some men do indeed look dashing in it. Imagine some straight cut grey flannel or blue pinstripe trousers, a white shirt and a bordeaux ascot. Very elegant.

Problem is, not everyone can pull that off and you may look like trying desperately.

Nice thing is, that if you can pull it off it is going to immediately upgrade your style and set you apart positively from the rest. It's as much an instant style upgrade as a well-placed sport coat or a nice cashmere overcoat but I think it really works only if you are at least 40. Won't fly without gravitas, so to say. ;)

Till

Guess I should rephrase the question... If you see a certain bag brand, you think to yourself "the owner of that bag really did their hw" not talking about going out and buying the most expensive bag here.

Man. I have searched the length of the Internet. Posted here. I definitely did my hw. And I ended up with an eBags Mother Lode TLS Weekender Convertible. It serves me better than my Tumi Alpha Continental (which is up for sale). It does what it says on the tin: you can put a truckload of stuff into it and haul it on your back and walk away. It's being a sturdy bag despite now serves as a day bag as well. Just awesome. If it falls apart I can buy three more and will still be below the more expensive convertibles :)

zero carry on is the most sophisticated... wallet in pocket, passport in jacket along with reading glasses.

Although this may be the desired milestone, the outcome may not be very enjoyable as one thinks.

I travelled to Brasil 4 times a year, and thought I had reached this stage year after year, by shear experience. Zero carry-on in Business: What could be possibly be more enjoyable and refined ? I was about to find out.

Everything was checked baggage with the exception of the clothes I was wearing, a silk sports coat, and a small, leather attache.

First, the outbound flight was delayed 8 hours, a condition that then triggered my checked luggage to go AWOL. Arriving at RIO very late, my next connection leg was 6 hours off, sans luggage.

Shower ? " Not quite working today," apologized the airport lounge manager. " Newly installed, you know, " a fact I was hearing, but not really enjoying. Nonetheless, I tried a faint smile, as her words were echoing around my head. She suggested a nearby hotel which I passed on, a decision I would later regret.

And, yes, the connecting flight leg was also very delayed, a condition not unknown in the long Brasilian chronology of flight. Dear old TAM.

My eyes were red, having read and re-read the two magazines I brought along. I needed a shower in the humidity and heat, and a change of clothes. Mind you, I had been standing all this time in Rio, too.

My only comfort was a B&O Beo 6 Mp3 player, which I had in the attache. I began to repeat song lyrics I had now listened to at least twice, or possibly more. Looking at the time, this had been a 29 hour Rio-a-go-go experience, seemingly without end. The term " Funky " had a new meaning, which I never thought would apply to this travel sophisticant.

I won't go on, as you see my point. When this marathon finally ended, 35 + hours had gone by. My checked-case was returned to my custody 3 days later, but with genuine apologies. I was very grateful, but rethinking my decision to travel this way again.

So if one chooses this option, remember the possible consequences. In some cases it is very hard to look sophisticated after long flights, no matter what you wear or hand-carry. Be prepared.

The film " Planes, Trains, and Automibiles, " now having new meaing, is not far in the range off in the range of flight possibilities.

Those of us that have traveled for a living as long as some of us have, Swissaire, feel your pain.

I've been stranded before with nothing more than my brief case, and luggage lost or mis-routed. Nothing worse than 24 or more hours in the same clothes, with no toothbrush, no shower, no nothing but a few items in the attache and a music player or in my case, a color Nook tablet.

Unless you are traveling first class the whole way, and everything goes as planned, and you have the ability to "freshen-up" after a long voyage, it is indeed hard to look "Sophisticated" regardless of any luggage you may have in tow.

Thanks for the post.

swissaire - I was being tongue-in-cheek slightly - the idea of 'no luggage' came from some fashion magazine... they wrote that needing to travel with luggage suggests 'one does not have the means to support a house, staff and full wardrobe at your destination' :D

swissaire - I was being tongue-in-cheek slightly - the idea of 'no luggage' came from some fashion magazine... they wrote that needing to travel with luggage suggests 'one does not have the means to support a house, staff and full wardrobe at your destination' :D

Or you must have too few destinations.. just this year I have spent more than one day in Edinburgh, London, Faro, Budapest, a small village in Hungary, Denver and goddamnit I am presumed to live in Vancouver, BC although I have seen a only a few of my beloved sunsets from my window due to this many travelling.... oh and I am off to San Francisco and Portland later this month.

As for freshing up, I love transiting in Europe at airports that have Yotels. Bliss! Luck has it that if I fly an airline from Vancouver which gives me a reasonable amount of space for a reasonable amount of money (that being Air Transat or KLM) then I land in Gatwick or Amsterdam and both have one :) And next week, thanks to this wonderful forum I will have a carry on welded onto a kick scooter called micro luggage to ease the pain of navigating both Gatwick and Amsterdam both of which have just too long corridors.

So, micro luggage is the new answer to the original question :D nothing says sophisticated traveller like elegantly gliding passing others tiredly chugging their luggage.

swissaire - I was being tongue-in-cheek slightly - the idea of 'no luggage' came from some fashion magazine... they wrote that needing to travel with luggage suggests 'one does not have the means to support a house, staff and full wardrobe at your destination' :D

Surely. I have a few homes. If I'm traveling between, say MCO and HNL, I travel with just a small carry-on brief case, as I've got everything I need at my other home. But that's Domestic travel for me, albeit a long way from MCO to HNL. Might as well be to London or Madrid with the time it takes for me to get to Hawaii.

I've got friends that have homes abroad. They do this as well if traveling from home to home.

None, including myself, have "Staff" there. Just a 2nd or 3rd home.

Surely. I have a few homes. If I'm traveling between, say MCO and HNL, I travel with just a small carry-on brief case, as I've got everything I need at my other home. But that's Domestic travel for me, albeit a long way from MCO to HNL. Might as well be to London or Madrid with the time it takes for me to get to Hawaii.

I've got friends that have homes abroad. They do this as well if traveling from home to home.

None, including myself, have "Staff" there. Just a 2nd or 3rd home.

Don't forget the magazine article was joking!! (probably having a stab at the DYKWIAs! :))

I always carry a jar of Grey Poupon in case anyone asks.

Let me drive up beside you in our Bentleys.

zero carry on is the most sophisticated... wallet in pocket, passport in jacket along with reading glasses.


Uhhh yeah....until your bags dont show up for any number of reasons as in Swissairs story - and many of mine.

My strategy is to bring a carry on with at least one days and nights of clothing and laptop, "dopp kit" is just test size emollients/ shave cream/ moisturizer pouches in a ziplock bag weighing a few ounces.

(when I buy my man stuff I always ask for samples and these go in my carry on vs the full size stuff I check)

With only a day or so in the carry on it stays very light- 10-15 lb- max.

The big load gets checked, but I can function independently of it for a while.

If/When the inevitable problem hits - you are covered.

Hands down - the most sophisticated is a private jet- but barring that we improvise.

Uncle Dave

Carrying a lot of luggage may be necessary on case of relocation or shifting. A lot of luggage while traveling is not recommendable. Most of the airlines allow only 20 kg or three pieces to carry with you one carry on bag and two checked in items.

If I see another woman with a coach purse I'm going to barf.
They are not classy, designer,expensive or unique.
And they are damn ugly.

Uhhh yeah....until your bags dont show up for any number of reasons as in Swissairs story - and many of mine.

My strategy is to bring a carry on with at least one days and nights of clothing and laptop, "dopp kit" is just test size emollients/ shave cream/ moisturizer pouches in a ziplock bag weighing a few ounces.

(when I buy my man stuff I always ask for samples and these go in my carry on vs the full size stuff I check)

With only a day or so in the carry on it stays very light- 10-15 lb- max.

The big load gets checked, but I can function independently of it for a while.

If/When the inevitable problem hits - you are covered.

Hands down - the most sophisticated is a private jet- but barring that we improvise.

Uncle Dave

I think you missed the whole point of the article... the magazine (tongue in cheek) stated that you should be wealthy enough to have a full set of clothes at your destination.

please guys, read the words tongue-in-cheek!!!!!!!

as for a private jet... I hate flying on the ERs and CRJs... unless you were offering a private jet of at least 737 or bigger, no way I'd be getting on one! (I just feel like there's not a lot holding me up in the air with the tiny regionals!)

Tongue in cheek, your point is understood. Like some others I admit I made that overconfident mistake in travelling long distances. It wasn't a business flight, but it could have been. And I did it twice.

The thinking was " Why do I need to take anything ? Afterall, I have it all there. " Yes, after many years, the armoire condo in Fortaleza, Brasil, was bursting with Tommy Bahamas, silk shirts, Bermuda shorts, swim suits, sandals, Bang & Olufsen, and a couple of Henri Lloyd. An easily reached assumption, until you are stuck in Europe for a day.

No matter if you fly on your own Embraer, Falcon, or have Nr. 1 seating in F on LH, AF, or TAM, you have to get there first to enjoy things. Late and delayed flights with the most creative excuses one could imagine do happen, perhaps more so today than in the past

I am suggesting that one takes a change of clothes, a small personal kit, and something to occupy your time in your carry-on, no matter how many accompanying attendants you have to mind you and the Harem sitting patiently back in C.

Which returns us to the excellent topic at hand: The scout motto, and actually yes, that of the sophisticated traveller is: BE PREPARED.

I think you missed the whole point of the article... the magazine (tongue in cheek) stated that you should be wealthy enough to have a full set of clothes at your destination.

please guys, read the words tongue-in-cheek!!!!!!!

as for a private jet... I hate flying on the ERs and CRJs... unless you were offering a private jet of at least 737 or bigger, no way I'd be getting on one! (I just feel like there's not a lot holding me up in the air with the tiny regionals!)

GOT IT tongue in Cheek.

Ill take a tiny private over first in a big boat any day for up to about 7 hours of flying.

UD

Travelpro , not expensive - not cheap

As in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe ?

Galaxy! It's The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. So much for sophistication.
:cool: ;) :D

"Would it save you a lot of time if I just gave up and went mad right now?" ~ Arthur Dent to Slartibart Fast while beeing guided around Magdrathea.

And from a North American website: How does your baggage smell ?

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-friends/index.html?intcmp=features#/v/1554711080001/let-the-bidding-begin-making-money-with-unclaimed-luggage

Luggage fragrance, or hide the Salami.

Man. I have searched the length of the Internet. Posted here. I definitely did my hw. And I ended up with an eBags Mother Lode TLS Weekender Convertible. It serves me better than my Tumi Alpha Continental (which is up for sale). It does what it says on the tin: you can put a truckload of stuff into it and haul it on your back and walk away. It's being a sturdy bag despite now serves as a day bag as well. Just awesome. If it falls apart I can buy three more and will still be below the more expensive convertibles :)

Just checked out the eBags Mother Lode TLS Weekender Convertible, looks pretty sweet.

I'd echo that being considerate, especially of that overhead space, not being the dirtbag sticking a bag in there when its not your overhead, while going to the way back of the plane to your actual seat is a great start to being sophisticated.

I've really come to like the style, material, attention to detail, yet simplicity of Tumi's original stuff and the Alpha line. (their other lines, T-Tech, etc, don't appeal to me)

My overnighter is the Tumi small satchel ballistic. I got the red because of the closeout sale and it actually looks pretty good in real life lol.

While I don't think of myself as sophisticated (I still sometimes drink like a frat boy), I think confidence and the way you carry yourself is a big part of sophistication. Even the most well heeled traveller with garish Louis Vuitton, Prada or Coach logo-branded luggage can look like a buffoon when they dress sloppy and carry themselves or act in a way that makes them seem uncouth. I'm a big fan of 'less is more' and 'it's all in the details'.

I either bring onboard my Hidesign Apollo Overnight Bag (http://theluggageprofessionals.com.au/hidesign-apollo-leather-overnight-bag.html) or more recently, an Antler New Bond Street II Compartment Bag (http://www.bagworld.com.au/shop/detail/antler-new-bond-street-ii-compartment-bag-black-1/).

The Hidesign bag, as with any leather bag, looks great as it wears and develops a bit of character. Some leather conditioner to keep it supple every 6 months works wonders. When I bought it, I took 25 minutes to condition it daily for 7 days, which was tedious, but brought out a lot of the deeper colours in the skin, and made it oh-so soft and fantastic to the touch. It's made well enough to last so that I may give it to my son when he starts travelling. A lot of people have commented on it and asked where they can purchase one!

While the pinstripes are still growing on me (they're actually more subtle than the pictures would have you believe), I'm loving the design of the Antler as my shoes and liquids can go in the bottom for easy access, and separation from my iPad and spare shirt.

I also have an Ozwald Boateng roll out dopp kit from when I flew Virgin Atlantic, mine is black & red, but the purple one of the same design in this pic (https://www.halfpriceperfumes.co.uk/en/free-boateng-washbag/19692-ozwald-boateng-hanging-wash-bag-.html) looks cool too, and is functional.

How you dress can also speak wonders. It doesn't have to be anything exotic like a nice tailored suit, but a simple crisp white shirt, some dark jeans, brown loafers or oxfords, and a sports coat can make almost anyone look the part, when the clothes fit well. Take a spare shirt, socks, and undies to change into when you wash your face and brush your teeth before you land, and you'll feel a lot fresher, which in turn will make you present yourself better.

Details.com and DMarge.com often have some pretty cool travel luggage and accessories, along with fresh styles to keep you looking sharp!

None of them.

Just like everybody who drives a certain car isn't a race car driver, or eats in a certain restaurant a gourmet cook, it just means they bought an item.I guess that's true (well, I know that's true) but with some cars, it does take a certain amount of knowledge to understand what it is that you are buying and to configure it a certain way. The same is often true for many non-mainstream pieces of luggage.

Having said that, I also can't quite understand why a person would really care one way or the other.

Travelpro , not expensive - not cheapI like Travelpro but, if purchased correctly, it can actually be quite inexpensive (the Platinum line can end up being cheaper than Samsonite, etc...).

I saw tfar's definition of "sophisticated."

What are the other poster's definitions?

There are a number of good descriptions and definitions, starting with page 1.

There are a number of good descriptions and definitions, starting with page 1.

Yes, especially regarding the importance of carrying a towel!

people who judge others by their choice of luggage are not worth impressing

Is it a judgement or just an observation.

Is it a judgement or just an observation.

Ah...a very philosophical point indeed! Can one observe without judging? And vice versa? :):)

Yes.

Observation: " Hmmn, . . . . that passenger that just walked by has nice luggage. "

or, " There is the case I have," or more likely " That is the case I would like to have "

If one is sitting down in any busy terminal, and focused more on the luggage rolling by, it is possible to observe in this manner, without further judgement as to a person's sophistication.

One might make a judgement if the person were barefoot and needing a pedicure, but if the terminal were terribly busy, you might get no further than observing just the luggage and the persons shoes.

Ah...a very philosophical point indeed! Can one observe without judging? And vice versa? :):)

Art Critic Pope Clement Greenberg says that it is practically impossible to observe without judging. Kant basically says the same thing.

"The passenger that just walked by has nice luggage" is already judgment. "A passenger walks by. S/he carries luggage." Would be a rather neutral observation. But judgment is included already in the selection of the focus of attention on luggage. We might just as well have said "S/he wears glasses or wears no glasses."

This is why appearances and first impressions are so important.

Till

Who is going to bring Heisenberg into a discussion about luggage that makes people look sophisticated? ;)

Who is going to bring Heisenberg into a discussion about luggage that makes people look sophisticated? ;)

I would if I could. But, alas, I lack the certainty! :p

Till

I'm partial to the Hello Kitty backpack.

Hah !

After years of travel, researching just about everything, and trying many things, these are the bags I've got in my closet. These were not purchased by accident, and when I see them at the airport, it cuts through a lot of small-talk. Carry-on: NorthFace DoubleTrack 21, Pelican 1510. Checked: Pelican 1620, or Pelican 1710.

I believe the most sophisticated traveler uses a all in one backpack if possible. Just one single bag for all your clothes and business needs. Swiss makes some really good size ones that accomplish this

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If you mean what do we think is a bag that tends to be chosen and used by an informed or experienced traveller (goodness it's tricky to capture the concept in this thread without straying into, well, snooty territory!), I suppose I would say that if I saw, say, a Red Oxx or Tom Bihn bag slung over someone's shoulder here in Australia I would probably deduce that the owner was a pretty enthusiastic traveller who liked travelling light and had done enough homework to decide that their bag was worth the not inconsiderable expense of shipping it over here from the States.

I think different. Tom Bihn bags don't stand up, have rounded off corners that discourage square packing, have exteriors that bow out with slightest of overpacking, encourage clothes to wrinkle, Take up way too much space in the overhead bin - cus people over pack it like a Glad Forceflex bag, and are targeted to the inner granola in all us and makes you pay for bag organizational items that should have came with the bag in the first place. So my image of someone who is using that bag are the following: 1) Ill informed Walmart shopper who got Christmas money 2) one percent trying to look like 99 percent 3) deceived by folksy tales of great performance by the tree hugging users on its own forum. 4) failed the drug test 5) wear sneakers to work.

A generic SwissGear backpack (underseat)
A generic Samsonite spinner (overhead bin)
A generic messenger bag (stash it in the spinner, good laptop bag upon arrival so I don't have to lug around my backpack while I'm there)
A generic foldable REI bag (stash it in the spinner, good extra carry on luggage for cheap gifts to bring back home)

I think different. Tom Bihn bags don't stand up, have rounded off corners that discourage square packing, have exteriors that bow out with slightest of overpacking, encourage clothes to wrinkle, Take up way too much space in the overhead bin - cus people over pack it like a Glad Forceflex bag, and are targeted to the inner granola in all us and makes you pay for bag organizational items that should have came with the bag in the first place. So my image of someone who is using that bag are the following: 1) I'll informed Walmart shopper who got Christmas money 2) one percent trying to look like 99 percent 3) deceived by folksy tales of great performance by the tree hugging users on its own forum. 4) failed the drug test 5) wear sneakers to work.

On a sold out JFK-LAX flight. Knew the upgrade was dodgy and wanted to make sure if I had to hang out at the gate I could get overhead space so no roller. No upgrade, first time in 18 months so it happens. But was able to fit my Tristar in the small side overheads no problem. It cant be overstuffed much. It does standup. It fits almost anywhere. Great bag.

Having said that, for sophistication I have to go with the Hello Kitty backpack and a nice towel.

But was able to fit my Tristar in the small side overheads no problem. It cant be overstuffed much. It does standup. It fits almost anywhere. Great bag.

Having said that, for sophistication I have to go with the Hello Kitty backpack and a nice towel.

You mean you squeezed that thing into whatever little sliver of space that was left in the bin. Right? Then, what does that do to your clothes and your belongs in your bag? And why does that make you a sophisticated traveler? Just because you made a nylon bag that you get for free at common conference that you paid a 1000% markup for fit into a bin after making it into some kind of a Cordura burrito, does it qualify you as a sophisticated traveler? (staying with the "theme" of the OP .... so to speak)

In general, I really want to be sold on Tom Bihn bags (I still have one collecting dust). But I just don't get it. I'll gladly take your verbal assault. I've been wanting to argue out the Glad bag vs. hardside question for quite some time. I don't get mad or offended..... so please, let me have it.

You mean you squeezed that thing into whatever little sliver of space that was left in the bin. Right? Then, what does that do to your clothes and your belongs in your bag? And why does that make you a sophisticated traveler? Just because you made a nylon bag that you get for free at common conference that you paid a 1000% markup for fit into a bin after making it into some kind of a Cordura burrito, does it qualify you as a sophisticated traveler? (staying with the "theme" of the OP .... so to speak)

In general, I really want to be sold on Tom Bihn bags (I still have one collecting dust). But I just don't get it. I'll gladly take your verbal assault. I've been wanting to argue out the Glad bag vs. hardside question for quite some time. I don't get mad or offended..... so please, let me have it.

Well no, although my upgrade didn't clear the fact that I travel over 100k mile per year on this airline meant I preboarded so plenty of room. The FA asked me to put my "small bag" as she said in the small middle overheads rather than the large side bins. The rollers typically didn't fit in the middle and a number of people had to check bags. I have also taken the Tristar as a carry-on on little commuter planes, they usually fit. Same with my Red Oxx Skytrain. A roller that takes that much takes up a lot of room and can sometimes need to be checked.

No bag makes someone a sophisticated traveler, the premise is absurd. But I am an experienced traveler. Until last year I was doing around 200,000 miles a year for more than a decade. That ranges from travel to big cities on big planes to little cities in little planes or overland in range rovers. As someone said on another thread they look at luggage like golf clubs. You don't use the same one for all shots. In addition to the Tristar and Skytrain I have 5 B&R rollers of different sizes and styles. I saw the passenger loads etc on this flight and realized I might have an overhead issue. I decided to go one soft bag as a result because that gives me the least chance of a problem with having to check a bag. Having to check is the main thing I try to minimize.

Last month my trip to Florence was longer so I went with a small B&R rolling cabin bag and an LLBean backpack. The backpack had one change of clothes and my computer, etc. if I had to check I would have a change of clothes in the backpack if they lost the roller. I didnt do the Tristar because the trip was longer and I thought I might have a lot of walking in Florence and connecting at CDG and LHR and wanted wheels. LHR in particular I knew would be a hike. London and Norwich England next week and I am still pondering that one while I watch the upgrade situation and loads. As I posted on another thread I have done 5/6 day round the world trips including packing a suit with the B&R cabin bag. Packing methods do work.

You are free not to use packing methods and such for whatever reason, but you limit you options when you do so. Also, I have never had any problems with clothes in a soft bag. Short of someone sticking a knife in the bag I don't even understand what could hurt the clothes if packed correctly.

Oh, and welcome to Flyertalk. People are generally nice so no attacks, well except in Omni P/R and occasionally the AA forum. ;)

Well no, although my upgrade didn't clear the fact that I travel over 100k mile per year on this airline meant I preboarded so plenty of room. The FA asked me to put my "small bag" as she said in the small middle overheads rather than the large side bins. The rollers typically didn't fit in the middle and a number of people had to check bags. I have also taken the Tristar as a carry-on on little commuter planes, they usually fit. Same with my Red Oxx Skytrain. A roller that takes that much takes up a lot of room and can sometimes need to be checked.

No bag makes someone a sophisticated traveler, the premise is absurd. But I am an experienced traveler. Until last year I was doing around 200,000 miles a year for more than a decade. That ranges from travel to big cities on big planes to little cities in little planes or overland in range rovers. As someone said on another thread they look at luggage like golf clubs. You don't use the same one for all shots. In addition to the Tristar and Skytrain I have 5 B&R rollers of different sizes and styles. I saw the passenger loads etc on this flight and realized I might have an overhead issue. I decided to go one soft bag as a result because that gives me the least chance of a problem with having to check a bag. Having to check is the main thing I try to minimize.


I get what you are saying but I kinda liked the OP's idea of making fun of bags and the people who carry them. And I also get your planning for your flight and spending a good amount of time and energy to not check your bag. So that makes you a "pro" or "serious" or "well informed" traveler.

For me, the rush always occurs when I have a late afternoon meeting in NYC. As I fly out of LAX in the morning, I don't really the time have to "strategize" and just get on whatever flight my assistant booked me on. Of course, if something happens with the upgrade situation or there is no bin space, I simply let them check it. The way I figure it, people can wait for me while I get my bag in LaGuardia. Of course, if it's a critical meeting where I must make it, say, by 4pm. I don't carry much with me at all. I just bring the KR305 rolling brief from Briggs and some underwear and socks in there (neatly disguised in the laptop sleeve so that it doesn't actually show while I pull out important documents from the bag). The hotel typically has it all. they give you a shaving kit and I simply stop by Duane Read and get saline solution for my contacts.

I have a couple of carry-on's from Briggs, and yes, I do have some Sierra Mist or whatever soft bag that is primarily used hold spare tire chains and the subject at hand, the Tom Bihn Zepher bag that keeps falling over when a computer is in it.

I'll concede the point that for someone who strategizes as much as you do and even has a blog about what you pack, perhaps a soft bag might work. However, I think you'd be much more sophisticated in appearance :D with some of the Briggs or Hartmann backpacks (convertible to side carry) or carry-all's that has structure, is well thought-out, is about the same price and has cleaner fabric that doesn't pick up lint and doesn't look like free conference bags they they gave out at the Adult Con last year. Might you care to take a look at something like this? http://www.hartmann.com/shop/productDetail-sku-1980-I One of the better looking duffel bags, perhaps? http://www.briggs-riley.com/category/productDetail.aspx?id=Cabin-Duffle_TC116&col=transcend&cat=activity%20and%20duffles

Bags don't make you look sophisticated but it can and does give off various kinds of images about you. We do 90% of our communications without talking...

here is the better link on the Hartmann 501-1980 2-Zip Expandable Carry-on

http://www.amazon.com/Hartmann-501-1980-2-Zip-Expandable-Carry-on/dp/B000ETLB96

oozes sophistication, IMO....... and you don't have to wear a flannel shirt or listen grunge rock.

Which brand carry-on would make you think "yeah, that person is a sophisticated traveler" or "they did their hw before purchasing that bag"


None.

I don't think much about other travellers level of sophistication or the amount of homework they may have done. Now I do think about kettles in front of me gumming up the works.

I believe the most sophisticated traveler uses a all in one backpack if possible. Just one single bag for all your clothes and business needs. Swiss makes some really good size ones that accomplish this

IE SwissGear SA9769

Completely agree, I use this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Swissgear-GA-7316-06F00-Ibex-Laptop-Backpack/dp/B000VOC90Y/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_4)bag and can get all my work hardware, PC and iPad, chargers GPS etc and a full set of mini washgear and spare change of clothes.

Like others have mentioned, I have developed the chill out attitude. I can take officiousness and bad manners from anyone, official or otherwise with a wry smile and a casual gait knowing that there is always another flight, another queue and another day.

Always have 2 books, 2 magazines and a selection of films on the laptop so any amount of time can be occupied once the work runs out.

I get what you are saying but I kinda liked the OP's idea of making fun of bags and the people who carry them. And I also get your planning for your flight and spending a good amount of time and energy to not check your bag. So that makes you a "pro" or "serious" or "well informed" traveler.

For me, the rush always occurs when I have a late afternoon meeting in NYC. As I fly out of LAX in the morning, I don't really the time have to "strategize" and just get on whatever flight my assistant booked me on. Of course, if something happens with the upgrade situation or there is no bin space, I simply let them check it. The way I figure it, people can wait for me while I get my bag in LaGuardia. Of course, if it's a critical meeting where I must make it, say, by 4pm. I don't carry much with me at all. I just bring the KR305 rolling brief from Briggs and some underwear and socks in there (neatly disguised in the laptop sleeve so that it doesn't actually show while I pull out important documents from the bag). The hotel typically has it all. they give you a shaving kit and I simply stop by Duane Read and get saline solution for my contacts.

I have a couple of carry-on's from Briggs, and yes, I do have some Sierra Mist or whatever soft bag that is primarily used hold spare tire chains and the subject at hand, the Tom Bihn Zepher bag that keeps falling over when a computer is in it.

I'll concede the point that for someone who strategizes as much as you do and even has a blog about what you pack, perhaps a soft bag might work. However, I think you'd be much more sophisticated in appearance :D with some of the Briggs or Hartmann backpacks (convertible to side carry) or carry-all's that has structure, is well thought-out, is about the same price and has cleaner fabric that doesn't pick up lint and doesn't look like free conference bags they they gave out at the Adult Con last year. Might you care to take a look at something like this? http://www.hartmann.com/shop/productDetail-sku-1980-I One of the better looking duffel bags, perhaps? http://www.briggs-riley.com/category/productDetail.aspx?id=Cabin-Duffle_TC116&col=transcend&cat=activity%20and%20duffles

Bags don't make you look sophisticated but it can and does give off various kinds of images about you. We do 90% of our communications without talking...


You're flying from LAX into LGA??

Just got back to MCO after a month in HNL. I made it a point to really "notice" the luggage from HNL to LAX, and again from LAX to MCO.

On the first hop, I saw very few "Upscale" bags. One Tumi, a few Travelpro and one Hartman vintage leather. Did see two "Pan Am" white and blue bags that IMO were purchased from the store in Waikiki. I have one myself. These "look" vintage but are brand new.

From LAX to MCO I saw nothing out of the ordinary. Very humble luggage. Most actually checked bags (as did I since I'm moving back to the mainland for the summer). At the luggage belt, nothing spectacular.

This was the first time I really kept an eye out for luggage of my fellow PAX.

Did we ever decide what makes one "look" like a "sophisticated" traveler? ;)

I fly internationally and use what works for me at
the moment...

- large Tenba messenger bag as carry-on
- TravelPro duffel as checked

Am I sophisticated? I don't know and don't care.

I do know I'm able to clear security easily and quickly,
have not been hassled by agents about the size of the
Tenba and am always able to fit it onboard.

I'm leary about moving to a wheeled solution given the
extra weight and space requirements of the mechanisms
along the fact that these mechanisms make the luggage
more prone to failure.

You're flying from LAX into LGA??

I meant JFK....

I fly internationally and use what works for me at
the moment...

- large Tenba messenger bag as carry-on
- TravelPro duffel as checked

Am I sophisticated? I don't know and don't care.


Sophisticated is as sophisticated does... yes? ;)

Since I fly UA. UA and sophisticated traveller just don't mix.;)

Since I fly UA. UA and sophisticated traveller just don't mix.;)

Now that's funny! Thanks for the laugh. :D

I think the sophisticated traveler to me are the folks who assume they will board first and stand with their belts against the rope in the Premier Access (or whatever priority program you are in) then have to slide or move when they realize military, global services, families with children, disabled, 1K, first, etc. all board before them.

I get what you are saying but I kinda liked the OP's idea of making fun of bags and the people who carry them. And I also get your planning for your flight and spending a good amount of time and energy to not check your bag. So that makes you a "pro" or "serious" or "well informed" traveler.

For me, the rush always occurs when I have a late afternoon meeting in NYC. As I fly out of LAX in the morning, I don't really the time have to "strategize" and just get on whatever flight my assistant booked me on. Of course, if something happens with the upgrade situation or there is no bin space, I simply let them check it. The way I figure it, people can wait for me while I get my bag in LaGuardia. Of course, if it's a critical meeting where I must make it, say, by 4pm. I don't carry much with me at all. I just bring the KR305 rolling brief from Briggs and some underwear and socks in there (neatly disguised in the laptop sleeve so that it doesn't actually show while I pull out important documents from the bag). The hotel typically has it all. they give you a shaving kit and I simply stop by Duane Read and get saline solution for my contacts.

I have a couple of carry-on's from Briggs, and yes, I do have some Sierra Mist or whatever soft bag that is primarily used hold spare tire chains and the subject at hand, the Tom Bihn Zepher bag that keeps falling over when a computer is in it.

I'll concede the point that for someone who strategizes as much as you do and even has a blog about what you pack, perhaps a soft bag might work. However, I think you'd be much more sophisticated in appearance :D with some of the Briggs or Hartmann backpacks (convertible to side carry) or carry-all's that has structure, is well thought-out, is about the same price and has cleaner fabric that doesn't pick up lint and doesn't look like free conference bags they they gave out at the Adult Con last year. Might you care to take a look at something like this? http://www.hartmann.com/shop/productDetail-sku-1980-I One of the better looking duffel bags, perhaps? http://www.briggs-riley.com/category/productDetail.aspx?id=Cabin-Duffle_TC116&col=transcend&cat=activity%20and%20duffles

Bags don't make you look sophisticated but it can and does give off various kinds of images about you. We do 90% of our communications without talking...


So a bit of a followup. First, the Tristar does have structure. Not as much as a framed bag, but is doesnt fall over. It also doesnt expand a lot like you said. Nor is it made of the same stuff in the free bags that get given away at conventions.

On my return from SNA I had a connection in Chicago. I was first on the upgrade list but they took a LONG time to clear. So much so that while I am standing by the gate waiting they announce that the bins are full and all rollers have to get checked. So I finally get the new boarding pass. When I get to the side of the plane they are intercepting bags. They ask for mine and I point out that I am in first, plus it is a small bag. The agent agrees that the FAs will help me find a spot for it. Sure enough, there was a small enough space right by my seat. A roller would not have fit. So I dont need to check my bag. I have 5 B&R rollers and 3 non-rolling B&R bags. They have their place but don't fit for all trips in my opinion. And I dont think any bag makes someone look sophisticated, with the exception of the previously mentioned Hello Kitty backpack with towel.

Here is a fair video review of a Tom Bihn laptop bag. This bag is a little deeper and wider than mine.

http://vimeo.com/17333701

Here is a fair video review of a Tom Bihn laptop bag. This bag is a little deeper and wider than mine.

http://vimeo.com/17333701

Which is not a Tristar. We are talking about suitcases, not briefcases. They arent as stable as a framed bag but arent that much of a problem sitting upright. It is a tradeoff, a framed bag has a lot less flexibility in fitting in smaller places.

Some of the most "unsophisticated" travel jerks out there carry the most expensive luggage

Personally I stay far away from 2 groups. The LV group and the head to toe Hartman group. Although I admit watching them have hysterical fits when told the overheads are full is fun

Some of the most "unsophisticated" travel jerks out there carry the most expensive luggage

Personally I stay far away from 2 groups. The LV group and the head to toe Hartman group. Although I admit watching them have hysterical fits when told the overheads are full is fun

Yea, although I would be impressed with Hermes. Just dont seem much of it. And most of them are soft, carryall styles, so they will fit most places ;)

Which is not a Tristar. We are talking about suitcases, not briefcases. They arent as stable as a framed bag but arent that much of a problem sitting upright. It is a tradeoff, a framed bag has a lot less flexibility in fitting in smaller places.

I was referring to how Tom Bihn user stereotypically over pack their bags into a large ball and 1) say, "hey that's the only thing I'm carrying. Let me not check this and somehow fit it into the overhead bin and 2) tells everyone that everything fits in this "one bag" because something magical happened.

Check out this review. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_qnDctbbg4
He says the same things. but see right around the time stamp 2 mins and 15 secs into the review and see what he did to the bag. That, my friend, easily exceeds depth limitation on an overhead bin. That's why I think the people who abuse space limitations with softsided bags are not sophisticated travelers because they inconvenience me.

BTW. I'm not accusing you of carrying around these thick balls into the cabin.

I was referring to how Tom Bihn user stereotypically over pack their bags into a large ball and 1) say, "hey that's the only thing I'm carrying. Let me not check this and somehow fit it into the overhead bin and 2) tells everyone that everything fits in this "one bag" because something magical happened.

Check out this review. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_qnDctbbg4
He says the same things. but see right around the time stamp 2 mins and 15 secs into the review and see what he did to the bag. That, my friend, easily exceeds depth limitation on an overhead bin. That's why I think the people who abuse space limitations with softsided bags are not sophisticated travelers because they inconvenience me.

BTW. I'm not accusing you of carrying around these thick balls into the cabin.


That is a Tristar, but it is hardly a ball. And it is not outsized from looking at it. Also, it is a smaller bag than most rollers. A Tristar packed like that will take up a lot less room in the overheard than a standard roller. In fact I have both a standard roller and a 18 or 19 inch B&R roller and a Tristar packed like in that video will take up less room in the overhead than either of them, especially since it can compress. It will go in most overheads long-ways, so only takes up a small space. In fact in may it can go in longwise and upright, which takes up far less space than the average roller.

my tristar also fits under the seat in A320/A319 and B737. try doing that with a roller. i have both a tumi continental and international, both 20's that measure close to 22. (and an old hartmann 22 and B&R baseline 20 wide). i don't see anything unsophisticated about a 'stereotypical' tom bihn user. most only know of tom bihn because of research they did. while it may be true on the bihn forums that people say look what i was able to pack, it's more of look how this bag works, not how puffy it is. same thing for the redoxx reviews on their site. after all, people also say that about rollers, look what i was able to pack in this great roller and carry it on. i really don't think a stereotypical bihn user is stealing space from a roller. i think if that same person was using a roller, they would be taking more bihn space. how many people say they had to put their roller in sideways. now i hate that.

That is a Tristar, but it is hardly a ball. And it is not outsized from looking at it. Also, it is a smaller bag than most rollers. A Tristar packed like that will take up a lot less room in the overheard than a standard roller. In fact I have both a standard roller and a 18 or 19 inch B&R roller and a Tristar packed like in that video will take up less room in the overhead than either of them, especially since it can compress. It will go in most overheads long-ways, so only takes up a small space. In fact in may it can go in longwise and upright, which takes up far less space than the average roller.

so you are saying that something like that fat ball (many times I see fatter ones in real life) fit the metal sizers? with only 10 inch depth???

so you are saying that something like that fat ball (many times I see fatter ones in real life) fit the metal sizers? with only 10 inch depth???

Im saying you have eye problems actually. But yes, it fits and takes up less room than a typical roller. Lots less in fact. You could put two or three of them in the space of a roller that goes in sideways in fact.

Tristar packed like in that video will take up less room in the overhead than either of them, especially since it can compress. It will go in most overheads long-ways, so only takes up a small space.

my point exactly. people compress the hell out of it when pushing down the depth of it to fit the bins. Then, the high altitude decompresses the bag and make it pretty much expand and mold the darn thing in the bin. When you land two things happen 1) you are wrestling with the bag to pull it out of the bin cuz it's really stuck - providing a delay to others blocking the aisle (and if you are a weak little dude or a tiny lady some other bigger person like me has to help) (oh and they need to tuck in the shirt when they wrestle with the contraption cuz it shows side fat and sometimes even plumber butt with all these low cut jeans these days ) and 2) by the time you are done, your clothes and you look wrinkled and disheveled, respectively. Not very sophisticated at all, is it?

Im saying you have eye problems actually. But yes, it fits and takes up less room than a typical roller. Lots less in fact. You could put two or three of them in the space of a roller that goes in sideways in fact.

I don't think I have an eye problem. Well, maybe, cuz I wear contacts.

Here is the official dimension figures from Tom Bihn without making it into a fat ball.

Overall dimensions: 19" x 13" x 8" / 480 x 330 x 205mm

You don't think people make the 8" inch 11 and 12 inches???

my point exactly. people compress the hell out of it when pushing down the depth of it to fit the bins. Then, the high altitude decompresses the bag and make it pretty much expand and mold the darn thing in the bin. When you land two things happen 1) you are wrestling with the bag to pull it out of the bin cuz it's really stuck - providing a delay to others blocking the aisle (and if you are a weak little dude or a tiny lady some other bigger person like me has to help) (oh and they need to tuck in the shirt when they wrestle with the contraption cuz it shows side fat and sometimes even plumber butt with all these low cut jeans these days ) and 2) by the time you are done, your clothes and you look wrinkled and disheveled, respectively. Not very sophisticated at all, is it?

Plumber jeans? Seriously, are you talking about luggage or some baggage you have? Clothes really dont wrinkle under those circumstances if packed correctly. Bags expanding to the fill the entire bin due to lower pressure? Even if that were true, rather than the nonsense that it is, unless you were flying to Denver it would reverse by the time the bag came out at the destination. You can fit 2-3 typically packed Tristars in the space of a typical roller if the roller goes in sideways, which about half to. If the roller goes in longways the Tristar is still smaller but not as much smaller. Again, I just had a flight Thursday where my Tristar fit in a bin that wouldnt take a roller, in fact they wouldnt have let me on the flight with a roller probably. And there was still room for someone elses purse and computer bag in the bin. Sorry, the stuff you are saying just isnt factually correct.

I don't think I have an eye problem. Well, maybe, cuz I wear contacts.

Here is the official dimension figures from Tom Bihn without making it into a fat ball.

Overall dimensions: 19" x 13" x 8" / 480 x 330 x 205mm

You don't think people make the 8" inch 11 and 12 inches???

Assuming you are correct, 19x13x12 is a rectangle, not a ball. Something closer to 19x19x19 with no edges would be a ball. And take a look at some rollers. I had to help some woman with a 22x14x13 or so roller last week. She had expanded the thing and we never could get it in the overhead. She had to check it.

I believe I am factually correct because your suggestion greatly exaggerates (to the lower side) the size of these bags - most softbag owners think that way. At the end of the day it's a pretty big bag. My source for the dimensions is here. http://www.tombihn.com/page/001/PROD/500/TB0940

There is no way you can put two of these things in the overhead bin let alone the metal sizers. 22, 14, 9 isn't so much bigger than 19, 13, 8. You do the math. I think you have spatial distortion issues also just like my eye problem that you suggest. (I see judging by your packing list you keep on your blog you have myopia also)

Finally I agree that 19,13, 12 is a rectangle. I remember geometry. but that's not a rectangle that meet US Carrier regulation for carry on. the length of individual sides cannot exceed 22 or 14 or 9.

Thus, my assertion that Tom Bihn carriers are unsophisticated travelers. Might I even add rule breaking, other traveler bothering, time wasting travelers.

Plumber jeans? Seriously, are you talking about luggage or some baggage you have? Clothes really dont wrinkle under those circumstances if packed correctly. Bags expanding to the fill the entire bin due to lower pressure? Even if that were true, rather than the nonsense that it is, unless you were flying to Denver it would reverse by the time the bag came out at the destination. You can fit 2-3 typically packed Tristars in the space of a typical roller if the roller goes in sideways, which about half to. If the roller goes in longways the Tristar is still smaller but not as much smaller. Again, I just had a flight Thursday where my Tristar fit in a bin that wouldnt take a roller, in fact they wouldnt have let me on the flight with a roller probably. And there was still room for someone elses purse and computer bag in the bin. Sorry, the stuff you are saying just isnt factually correct.

actually the decompression effect does not reverse right away. There were scientific tests done on airline pilots a while ago as to why many of them felt uneasy even after landing after a long flight. A part of your jet lag also has to do with your organs expanding and subsequently contracting for many hours after landing. good example is a bag of vacuum sealed potato chips. you will note that even hours after you landed it's still expanded into a tight ball. another example is zip locked baggies that get really huge and tight during the flight but not going down to its original size until way after you landed.

I'm digressing a bit here but all that contraction and expansion on your brain, kidneys and liver is not good for you. Its especially bad for your joints like knees and hips.

If at all possible, think of conference calls and Skype to prolong your health. Traveling by air every week really isn't good for your health.

I believe I am factually correct because your suggestion greatly exaggerates (to the lower side) the size of these bags - most softbag owners think that way. At the end of the day it's a pretty big bag. My source for the dimensions is here. http://www.tombihn.com/page/001/PROD/500/TB0940

There is no way you can put two of these things in the overhead bin let alone the metal sizers. 22, 14, 9 isn't so much bigger than 19, 13, 8. You do the math. I think you have spatial distortion issues also just like my eye problem that you suggest. (I see judging by your packing list you keep on your blog you have myopia also)

Finally I agree that 19,13, 12 is a rectangle. I remember geometry. but that's not a rectangle that meet US Carrier regulation for carry on. the length of individual sides cannot exceed 22 or 14 or 9.

Thus, my assertion that Tom Bihn carriers are unsophisticated travelers. Might I even add rule breaking, other traveler bothering, time wasting travelers.

That is based on no facts, just your opinions which are simply wrong. People dont underestimate the size of the bags. I have both types of bags, the Tristar takes less room in the bins. Hard stop - no doubt. I see how much space they take up in the bins. They virtually always go in long ways, not sideways. That alone takes up less room. If the bins are high enough they can stand upright, taking up about an 8-10 inch space in the bin, less than even a typical roller even if it goes in longways, since rollers are 14 inches wide typically and NEVER can go on their narrow side. Even if the Tristar cannot go in upright they are laying on their side and 13 inches wide (along the length of the bin opinion) that way so slightly less than a roller put in longwise which typically takes up 14 inches of space. As another example I recently had an FA tell me to put my Tristar, "your small bag" in the small center bins since it would fit there and rollers won't. She wanted to save the side bins for the big rollers. She was right of course, it fit in the small bin that wouldnt hold a roller. You seem to be making stuff up for some reason. I am a bit baffled as to what it might be. Although to be honest, I suppose I dont really care.

You seem to be making stuff up for some reason. I am a bit baffled as to what it might be. Although to be honest, I suppose I dont really care.

not making stuff up. I quoted and sourced all the information I provided to the forum. not conjecture. not hearsay. I gave you sources of videos and information from Tom Bihn website. You, on the other hand, said things like "well, the other day..... FA told me this and that .......... and I saw it fit..........." those are just simple claims that anyone can speak.

If I had my way, every airlines should just give you a hard case that is exactly the size of the bin dimensions. How bot that? So every frequent traveler can maximize his own space without encumbering on other people's space and time.

It's not the bag, it's the tag:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7229583560_fb9244147d_h.jpg

(My bag, ready to board a flight to BUR in a few minutes.)

Also, it's only having one small carry-on bag and not three bags plugs a guitar case and one of those foamy neck pillows and a bag of KFC. And it's knowing how to carry a bag on an airplane and slip it onto the overhead without blocking everyone in the aisle for 10 minutes or having to ask someone for help.

It's not the bag, it's the tag:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7229583560_fb9244147d_h.jpg

(My bag, ready to board a flight to BUR in a few minutes.)

Also, it's only having one small carry-on bag and not three bags plugs a guitar case and one of those foamy neck pillows and a bag of KFC. And it's knowing how to carry a bag on an airplane and slip it onto the overhead without blocking everyone in the aisle for 10 minutes or having to ask someone for help.

I like your bag. I even like the little scuffs and streaks. It has character. It reeks sophistication. Bon Voyage.

p.s. BUR is a darn nice airport.

I have a black RJ pilot's roller with RJ's golden crown embroidery ;)

I have a black RJ pilot's roller with RJ's golden crown embroidery ;)

If you put a towel in that you would be golden! ;)

not making stuff up. I quoted and sourced all the information I provided to the forum. not conjecture. not hearsay. I gave you sources of videos and information from Tom Bihn website. You, on the other hand, said things like "well, the other day..... FA told me this and that .......... and I saw it fit..........." those are just simple claims that anyone can speak.

If I had my way, every airlines should just give you a hard case that is exactly the size of the bin dimensions. How bot that? So every frequent traveler can maximize his own space without encumbering on other people's space and time.

Bags expanding as pressure drops? You are quessing at the size. You arre ignoring that the bags compress. The bags will fit in the sizer. They do take less room than rollers. That is my experience, not something I saw on YouTube and then made up numbers for and extrapolated effects from those numbers. I have traveled with B&R rollers, including the less than full size ones (18 inch Baseline and 19 inch BRX) and the Tristar takes up less room than either in the overhead. No video you watched on YouTube proves otherwise.

Bags expanding as pressure drops?

Sorry about that. It's not what I meant. The content expands inside the bag. clothing fiber get fuller at high altitudes. Wool and cotton are natural fibers that expand and take up more space as you go higher. that's why it feels funny when you take out your suit right out of your bag after you land. the canvas lining in your suite which is made out of horse hair actually expands and the fit feels funny on your torso (another reason why you shouldn't fold your suit)

Cashmere goats and Angora goats live up in very high altitude. Each strand of their hair expands up there to provide warmth and protection from the element - and that's why we wear them.

It's not the bag, it's the tag:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7229583560_fb9244147d_h.jpg

(My bag, ready to board a flight to BUR in a few minutes.)

Also, it's only having one small carry-on bag and not three bags plugs a guitar case and one of those foamy neck pillows and a bag of KFC. And it's knowing how to carry a bag on an airplane and slip it onto the overhead without blocking everyone in the aisle for 10 minutes or having to ask someone for help.


is there a point to the luggage tag ?

is there a point to the luggage tag ?

Global Services. Nothing like a top tier FF tag to tell me that someone at least might know somewhat what they are doing while traveling.

is there a point to the luggage tag ?

I leave a yellow FlyerTalk tag on my carry-on should any fellow FT'er want to say hello.

I leave a yellow FlyerTalk tag on my carry-on should any fellow FT'er want to say hello.

I'd love one, but I haven't qualified yet. It would be great to be able to use the exclusive FT lounge!

I leave a yellow FlyerTalk tag on my carry-on should any fellow FT'er want to say hello.

I'd love one, but I haven't qualified yet. It would be great to be able to use the exclusive FT lounge!

I met a fellow Flyertalker in the first class JAL lounge at Narita in January because he had the FT tag on his bag. I need to find mine and put them on my bags.

It's not the bag, it's the tag:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7229583560_fb9244147d_h.jpg

(My bag, ready to board a flight to BUR in a few minutes.)

Also, it's only having one small carry-on bag and not three bags plugs a guitar case and one of those foamy neck pillows and a bag of KFC. And it's knowing how to carry a bag on an airplane and slip it onto the overhead without blocking everyone in the aisle for 10 minutes or having to ask someone for help.
If that's a Zero, looks like it's been there and back...!

Forgot the one bag I'd buy, if I won the lottery, just because I could at that point. Almost bought one years ago, someone was dumping it cheap on eBay, like-new. And it's supposed to be vacuum-heat cured, too:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=strict&q=zero+zeroller+21+carbon+fiber&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=927&bih=715&wrapid=tlif133778827233010&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=fQe9T8TLFKy42QXHqdmdDw

Reamwork's bag with the tag, is in fact a Rimowa alu case and not a " Zero."

The Rimowa stamp can be clearly observed ( upper right ) in his picture link, just above the blurred serial Nr.

An excellent choice on both counts.

I like to use a Pelican, too. You never see amateurs or kettles with them. The pelican storm 15xx series, for example

I prefer hard cases because people sometimes cram stuff in and crush your bag

I would be very unlikely to decide whether someone was a sophisticated traveller based purely on what brand of luggage they had. The phrase "all the gear, no idea" springs to mind :p.

Indeed. I'd say that is absolutely right on target. Kind of like "Big hat, no cattle" as the Texans say.

Or in my case, Fly Fishing. Oh, I've got all the best gear, but that does not convince the fish to take the fly. I've spent years trying to be a master Fly Fisherman... no luck. As Mark Twain stated, "Fly Fishing is an excellent way to catch very few fish."

Even so, as you know Baghorder from another post about collecting luggage, you and I have a PLETHORA of bags lying about. Not sure that makes us sophisticated, but it sure does make us prepared to take a trip! :D

Where can I find luggage with the cellophane wrap around it? It shouts not worth stealing. And why are baggage clam areas open to people without a ticket?

Indeed. I'd say that is absolutely right on target. Kind of like "Big hat, no cattle" as the Texans say.

Or in my case, Fly Fishing. Oh, I've got all the best gear, but that does not convince the fish to take the fly. I've spent years trying to be a master Fly Fisherman... no luck. As Mark Twain stated, "Fly Fishing is an excellent way to catch very few fish."

Even so, as you know Baghorder from another post about collecting luggage, you and I have a PLETHORA of bags lying about. Not sure that makes us sophisticated, but it sure does make us prepared to take a trip! :D

Indeed!:D

Where can I find luggage with the cellophane wrap around it? It shouts not worth stealing. And why are baggage clam areas open to people without a ticket?

thanks, that's what I'm going to call them from now on :D

I guess I can't correct it now.:o

Nothing to do with particular brands or prices in my view. As others have said, it's a whole-attitude thing that says someone is effortlessly at ease with themselves, comfortable in the environment, and considerate of others. Which is what I take sophisticated in this context to mean. That said, my own inexcusable bag prejudices are against anything looking too brand new and just-bought, wheeled luggage in leather (just doesn't work somehow), bags wearing gold loyalty cards just a tad too prominently, and anything visibly incompetently packed, ie bulging or leaking contents.

I've enjoyed the snob-baiting going on on this thread, but I have to agree that "sophisticated" is too subjective to have common agreement. Some people buy expensive stuff to show their "sophistication" while others think advertising your net wealth with the brands you display is gauche. Some people view luggage as strictly utilitarian and should be strictly evaluated as such, while others view it as primarily a fashion statement and subject to the rules of what's in and what's out this season.

At any rate, I usually travel with the ne plus ultra of Kirkland Signature (not just Kirkland... Kirkland *Signature*!) But I'm going to go to my next flight with a Hermeez cravat tied incorrectly, my LV luggage overstuffed into a ball, wearing flip-flops while carrying an elegant leather briefcase that's tagged with one of those paper luggage tags from the counter on which I'll have scrawled "Global Services, suck it kettle!" with my Montblanc fountain pen. And then wait and see if anyone's head explodes. :D

Ok mraju99.

Let me know the next time you pass though Zürich. I'll bring my camera.

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I've enjoyed the snob-baiting going on on this thread, but I have to agree that "sophisticated" is too subjective to have common agreement. Some people buy expensive stuff to show their "sophistication" while others think advertising your net wealth with the brands you display is gauche. Some people view luggage as strictly utilitarian and should be strictly evaluated as such, while others view it as primarily a fashion statement and subject to the rules of what's in and what's out this season.

At any rate, I usually travel with the ne plus ultra of Kirkland Signature (not just Kirkland... Kirkland *Signature*!) But I'm going to go to my next flight with a Hermeez cravat tied incorrectly, my LV luggage overstuffed into a ball, wearing flip-flops while carrying an elegant leather briefcase that's tagged with one of those paper luggage tags from the counter on which I'll have scrawled "Global Services, suck it kettle!" with my Montblanc fountain pen. And then wait and see if anyone's head explodes. :D

But don't forget your towel!

;)

The answer to OP's question? It's all in the eye of the beholder.

But I'm going to go to my next flight with a Hermeez cravat tied incorrectly, my LV luggage overstuffed into a ball, wearing flip-flops while carrying an elegant leather briefcase that's tagged with one of those paper luggage tags from the counter on which I'll have scrawled "Global Services, suck it kettle!" with my Montblanc fountain pen. And then wait and see if anyone's head explodes. :D

And once you get used to traveling in style like this, you'll never go back! Watch out! "Suck it, Kettles!"

air-mez

it's not "her mess" ? :D

When I see a B&R carry-on it is usually the mark of someone who travels a lot (sophisticated or other).

I have a Costco Kirkland Signature carryon that incorporates the best features of the more expensive brands. And it has a lifetime warranty.

Does that make me a sophisticated traveler, or just cheap? :D

I have a Costco Kirkland Signature carryon that incorporates the best features of the more expensive brands. And it has a lifetime warranty.

Does that make me a sophisticated traveler, or just cheap? :D

They aren't mutually exclusive. ;)

After lugging two bags one mile with a particularly steep finale to my Budapest holiday apartment, I opted for a total redesign.

I now have a 40L backpack and cube-like tote. I feel quite sophisticated compared to my former condition.

spoke to my GF(she is a ANA Chief Purser for 4 years) and her younger sister( JAL Chief Purser for 1 year) and I asked them the same question as the OP and they both kinda chuckled and said they see so many pretentious and non pretentious its hard to tell. They both equally said the people who travel on corporate dollars in the first cabin are usually the ones who feel entitled but they both mentioned seeing some celebs in the eco cabin too. so again, to answer the question, trust me, it sounds like what you carry has nothing to do with it. But the way you present yourself!

You would have to define "sophisticated". In some cultures wearing garish fashion and speaking loudly is sophisticated.

Of course, there are subcultures within subcultures. So if you are asking what is sophisticated at JFK or NRT, in the subculture of traveling professionals within the subculture of travelers within the subculture of "the West", I'd say anyone with good manners who is good to their family and fellow man, and who never checks a bag unless they have to.

Profound, isn't it?

when I see someone boarding without a carry on, and see them sleep, they are not only sophisticated, but LUCKY!

I equate sophistication with experience and expertise. An expert traveler is easy to spot regardless of what luggage they carry. Generally, you'll never see the expert traveler waiting around for luggage, you'll spot them navigating around the herds always moving... onwards to the next destination.

In regards to luggage one can differentiate the clumsy traveler from the expert traveler in the following ways:

An Expert Traveler:
* Is quick and ready to go at the security lane.
* Isn't generally found waiting in the jetway for the gate-check.
* Has a favorite seat on every model plane their chosen airline flies.
* Is entirely unaffected by baggage fees.

A Clumsy traveler is even easier to spot:
* They are dragging enough bags to where you can't tell if they are going on a trip or emigrating.
* Are never ready for anything... and will generally wait till they are at the front of the conveyor belt at security before fumbling to get ready.
* Can often be seen re-packing their bags at the check-in counter.
* Complains about baggage fees.

I equate sophistication with experience and expertise. An expert traveler is easy to spot regardless of what luggage they carry. Generally, you'll never see the expert traveler waiting around for luggage, you'll spot them navigating around the herds always moving... onwards to the next destination.

In regards to luggage one can differentiate the clumsy traveler from the expert traveler in the following ways:

An Expert Traveler:
* Is quick and ready to go at the security lane.
* Isn't generally found waiting in the jetway for the gate-check.
* Has a favorite seat on every model plane their chosen airline flies.
* Is entirely unaffected by baggage fees.

A Clumsy traveler is even easier to spot:
* They are dragging enough bags to where you can't tell if they are going on a trip or emigrating.
* Are never ready for anything... and will generally wait till they are at the front of the conveyor belt at security before fumbling to get ready.
* Can often be seen re-packing their bags at the check-in counter.
* Complains about baggage fees.
that sums it up perfectly!

^

Nothing to add ;)

I would be very unlikely to decide whether someone was a sophisticated traveller based purely on what brand of luggage they had. The phrase "all the gear, no idea" springs to mind :p.

I agree with your view.I am also unable to decide someone was a sophisticated travel based on bags.:D

I agree with your view.I am also unable to decide someone was a sophisticated travel based on bags.:D

Welcome to Flyertalk!

Agreed.

I leave a yellow FlyerTalk tag on my carry-on should any fellow FT'er want to say hello.

*Points finger* "Exactly."

Also, there seems to be a lot of big hat no cattle talk here, but let me tell you, there are two types of luggage - Rimowa and Not Rimowa - and those with the former know what they are doing.

Who cares if they're sophisticated or not?
If they aren't, and they bought a brand that you think would make them look like they are, what does that do to you?

For me, as long as they don't bring like a bajillion bags for just a few days of travel, they're fine with me.

*Points finger* "Exactly."

Also, there seems to be a lot of big hat no cattle talk here, but let me tell you, there are two types of luggage - Rimowa and Not Rimowa - and those with the former know what they are doing.

If you want to look like a German accountant agreed.

Valextra for example puts Rimowa to shame.

www.valextra.it

Their shop in Milano next to LaScala is breathtaking (if only for the prices :) )

Who cares if they're sophisticated or not?
If they aren't, and they bought a brand that you think would make them look like they are, what does that do to you?

For me, as long as they don't bring like a bajillion bags for just a few days of travel, they're fine with me.

Actually, i agree. if there is anything about bags that indicates sophistication to me it is minimalism.

*Points finger* "Exactly."

Also, there seems to be a lot of big hat no cattle talk here, but let me tell you, there are two types of luggage - Rimowa and Not Rimowa - and those with the former know what they are doing.

I certainly don't get that impression from reading the threads here, nor for that matter traveling a couple million miles in the last 10 or 15 years. Not that there is anything wrong with them but as we often see, taste is a personal thing and some people like one style and others like something else. Even the reasons for preference may be different, such as valuing utility more or less than appearance.

If you want to look like a German accountant agreed.

Valextra for example puts Rimowa to shame.

www.valextra.it

Their shop in Milano next to LaScala is breathtaking (if only for the prices :) )

I would disagree that Valextra puts Rimowa to shame. I think that the Salsa cases alone (let alone Topas, Stealth and Limbo) put Valextra to shame when it comes to sheer utility and good looks - and choice. Have you tried dragging a Valextra through a snow covered sidewalk in the middle of nowhere? When you travel, these things sometimes happen. Then again, I can't say I am a fan of Vertu cellphones, preferring Blackberry myself.

And I wasn't aware that Milla looks like a German accountant.

A German accountant? I think not. (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/24/article-2078397-0F44BEA500000578-37_634x798.jpg)

*Points finger* "Exactly."

Also, there seems to be a lot of big hat no cattle talk here, but let me tell you, there are two types of luggage - Rimowa and Not Rimowa - and those with the former know what they are doing.

As do plenty of us with the latter.

I can't believe a year + 15 pages later....this thread/debate is still going on :D

People in my family are the worst for this. They look like the most unsophisticated travelers ever. It's just stupid. They go on a 6-7 day vacation, pack like the biggest suitcase ever, and most of the time they're over the 50 pound weight limit and there I am with a 20 pound carry on. It's sometimes embarrassing to travel with them (in the airport, to and from it, at least)

I don't think a specific bag can tell you anything about sophistication.

I would disagree that Valextra puts Rimowa to shame. I think that the Salsa cases alone (let alone Topas, Stealth and Limbo) put Valextra to shame when it comes to sheer utility and good looks - and choice. Have you tried dragging a Valextra through a snow covered sidewalk in the middle of nowhere? When you travel, these things sometimes happen. Then again, I can't say I am a fan of Vertu cellphones, preferring Blackberry myself.

And I wasn't aware that Milla looks like a German accountant.

A German accountant? I think not. (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/24/article-2078397-0F44BEA500000578-37_634x798.jpg)

I was joking about the German accountant part- part of the fun of having friends with Rimowa is to tease them about their luggage as they seem to be highly (over) sensitive about it.

Personally for business travel I typically use my Tumi carry on which I replace about once every 4 or 5 years- at the moment I have a lxt bag (the smaller one) which is carry on legal on every airline and will even fit in the overhead bin of the Avro without any issues. Back to the subject- I don't think you can tell a sophisticated traveller by their luggage ;)

- Rimowa and Not Rimowa - and those with the former know what they are doing.

Spend some time in some Asian airports and come back here and tell us that again with a straight face. Changi on a public holiday is the perfect example. You'll see loads of women with $4,000 branded handbags on one arm, pulling a Rimowa with the other, looking lost, confused, and struggling right in the most inconvenient possible spots for everyone else. Not their fault I supposed, they're probably used to their maid carrying anything larger than their handbags for them.

Spend some time in some Asian airports and come back here and tell us that again with a straight face. Changi on a public holiday is the perfect example. You'll see loads of women with $4,000 branded handbags on one arm, pulling a Rimowa with the other, looking lost, confused, and struggling right in the most inconvenient possible spots for everyone else. Not their fault I supposed, they're probably used to their maid carrying anything larger than their handbags for them.

That's an interesting observation. It might also have to do with the shoes they are wearing (high heels and trying to pull a suitcase while holding a handbag with the other hand is not an easy task). What you describe has to do, not just (or even necessarily) with the suitcase, but with the type of handbag (easier to travel with a handbag designed to nest into the carry-on's handle, and pack that LV, Dior, Chanel, whatever, in your carry-on), and with wardrobe choices made on the day of travel (wearing trousers instead of a skirt makes it easier to move about, lower heels (for the really fashion-conscious, Manolo makes terrific lower heeled shoes and even (gasp!) flats) help with balance issues. If you travel often enough, you figure this out.

Spend some time in some Asian airports and come back here and tell us that again with a straight face. Changi on a public holiday is the perfect example. You'll see loads of women with $4,000 branded handbags on one arm, pulling a Rimowa with the other, looking lost, confused, and struggling right in the most inconvenient possible spots for everyone else. Not their fault I supposed, they're probably used to their maid carrying anything larger than their handbags for them.

I spend a lot of time in Asian airports. Are you saying that Rimowa owners from a specific geographic location, social class or sex are somehow 'unsophisticated'? I don't quite get your post. :confused:

That's an interesting observation. It might also have to do with the shoes they are wearing (high heels and trying to pull a suitcase while holding a handbag with the other hand is not an easy task). What you describe has to do, not just (or even necessarily) with the suitcase, but with the type of handbag (easier to travel with a handbag designed to nest into the carry-on's handle, and pack that LV, Dior, Chanel, whatever, in your carry-on), and with wardrobe choices made on the day of travel (wearing trousers instead of a skirt makes it easier to move about, lower heels (for the really fashion-conscious, Manolo makes terrific lower heeled shoes and even (gasp!) flats) help with balance issues. If you travel often enough, you figure this out.

So the same type person who travels with impractical shoes and purses because of the way they look knows what they are doing when they pick a suitcase? ;)

So the same type person who travels with impractical shoes and purses because of the way they look knows what they are doing when they pick a suitcase? ;)

Oh, I get the feeling some people may pick the suitcase based on brand recognition. That does not mean this particular suitcase (or handbag) is the most practical on travel day for this particular traveler. As I said way upthread, I think the suitcase should match the traveler's needs at that particular moment, and someone who is teetering about and can't manage their suitcase and handbag has not chosen their travel accessories to suit their needs.

I spend a lot of time in Asian airports. Are you saying that Rimowa owners from a specific geographic location, social class or sex are somehow 'unsophisticated'? I don't quite get your post. :confused:

I think what xinmpg is saying is loading yourself down with brand name, exclusive products doesn't exactly label you as a sophisticated traveler. You can travel with thousands of dollars in luggage, bags, and other accouterments, and still have not the slightest idea of what to do or how to behave. Expensive stuff sometimes just labels you as being able to afford expensive stuff.

And I think the point in mentioning Asia was that region, in many cases, is terribly label conscious.

I think what xinmpg is saying is loading yourself down with brand name, exclusive products doesn't exactly label you as a sophisticated traveler. You can travel with thousands of dollars in luggage, bags, and other accouterments, and still have not the slightest idea of what to do or how to behave. Expensive stuff sometimes just labels you as being able to afford expensive stuff.

And I think the point in mentioning Asia was that region, in many cases, is terribly label conscious.

I see. So are many places where there is a vast disparity in wealth and a massive percentage of the population living in abject poverty. So are many place in the West where there are people who have suffered material deprivation during their childhood. That doesn't make a Rimowa cabin trolley any less durable, practical, light, stylish or sturdy relative to its competitors, ie things that would indicate to me that a sophisticated traveler would just spend the money on one and use it.

I see. So are many places where there is a vast disparity in wealth and a massive percentage of the population living in abject poverty. So are many place in the West where there are people who have suffered material deprivation during their childhood. That doesn't make a Rimowa cabin trolley any less durable, practical, light, stylish or sturdy relative to its competitors, ie things that would indicate to me that a sophisticated traveler would just spend the money on one and use it.

You might read more of the posts here about different bags.

I have nothing against Rimowa. I like the way they look. But to assert that sophisticated travelers use Rimowa and those who don't use Rimowa arent sophisticated is the type of blanket statement that is virtually never true (this isn't one of those exceptions). Very sophisticated travelers here have very different styles of travel which may or may not work well with Rimowa. Moreover, those interested in features such as lifetime warranties or outside pockets or extreme durability might look elsewhere.

You might read more of the posts here about different bags.

I have nothing against Rimowa. I like the way they look. But to assert that sophisticated travelers use Rimowa and those who don't use Rimowa is the type of blanket statement that is virtually never true (this isn't one of those exceptions). Very sophisticated travelers here have very different styles of travel which may or may not work well with Rimowa. Moreover, those interested in features such as lifetime warranties or outside pockets or extreme durability might look elsewhere.

exactly. When I travel I need a cabin bad with a small outside pouch at the top which to put my passport, boarding passes and other small items I use frequently (that is, without having to open up the case). Rimowa or any other hard shell case doesn't suit my needs. Samsonite soft sided does.

All I have to say is that while I am not a million miler or anything like that I have a North Face backpack and Waxed Canvas for my carry on. I can go buy a suit and Rimowa or whatever and walk around like I own the place but still be like that Japanese lady that one wrote about.

Over here they are big into the hard cases and style but yeah I can see hard cases wheels popping off (NRT) and a demolished hard case (FUK) but my carry on canvas bag I have had for going on 10+ years works like a charm.

I see. So are many places where there is a vast disparity in wealth and a massive percentage of the population living in abject poverty. So are many place in the West where there are people who have suffered material deprivation during their childhood. That doesn't make a Rimowa cabin trolley any less durable, practical, light, stylish or sturdy relative to its competitors, ie things that would indicate to me that a sophisticated traveler would just spend the money on one and use it.

I think you misread my post. Having lived abroad in multiple places in the Middle East I know what you're saying, but I don't think that fact has much to do with the explanation I offered of another post.

exactly. When I travel I need a cabin bad with a small outside pouch at the top which to put my passport, boarding passes and other small items I use frequently (that is, without having to open up the case). Rimowa or any other hard shell case doesn't suit my needs. Samsonite soft sided does.

I have two American Touristers that have taken hellish beatings from four airlines and have gone halfway around the world in two directions and have performed beautifully. My husband put almost a quarter million miles on two Samsonites and only chucked them because they became too heavy to conform to new standards. He won't buy anything else now. Swears by them.

I hear you. :D

It is interesting reading this post and the way it has evolved.

It started as a opinion query on what makes a sophisticated traveller, and now centers on ownership and use of Rimowa luggage or not.

I do own and favour Rimowa, but sorry to say, that alone does not create a sophisticant. There are other factors: I'd like to hear of them.

It is interesting reading this post and the way it has evolved.

It started as a opinion query on what makes a sophisticated traveller, and now centers on ownership and use of Rimowa luggage or not.

I do own and favour Rimowa, but sorry to say, that alone does not create a sophisticant. There are other factors: I'd like to hear of them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is so true (the to Rimowa or not to Rimowa debate).

I think experience is the hallmark of sophistication, not what bag you carry. I think sophistication is like class: it's label-less. I think sophistication can be acquired but not bought.

I've seen people in bespoke suits carrying thousand dollar handbags who were classless clots, and I've seen people in off the rack with Kirkland Signature or some other off-the-shelf brand who were classy (and occasionally hot!!!) as hell.

I buy what I like, what I feel is durable, and what I feel meets my needs, whether it's my American Tourister check-in bag or my most favorite Travelon purse. I buy for durability, reputation, and based on prior experience (I've had great success with my ATs and YMMV, but I love mine). Crap is - well, crap and I've seen it at all price points. I own some swanky labels and I've worked hard to get them, but they don't make me sophisticated - they brand me as capable of affording them (and as a hellaciously savvy shopper who scouts Nordstrom Rack and sales at good shops and department stores!).

It is interesting reading this post and the way it has evolved.

It started as a opinion query on what makes a sophisticated traveller, and now centers on ownership and use of Rimowa luggage or not.

I do own and favour Rimowa, but sorry to say, that alone does not create a sophisticant. There are other factors: I'd like to hear of them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is so true (the to Rimowa or not to Rimowa debate).

I think experience is the hallmark of sophistication, not what bag you carry. I think sophistication is like class: it's label-less. I think sophistication can be acquired but not bought.

I've seen people in bespoke suits carrying thousand dollar handbags who were classless clots, and I've seen people in off the rack with Kirkland Signature or some other off-the-shelf brand who were classy (and occasionally hot!!!) as hell.

I buy what I like, what I feel is durable, and what I feel meets my needs, whether it's my American Tourister check-in bag or my most favorite Travelon purse. I buy for durability, reputation, and based on prior experience (I've had great success with my ATs and YMMV, but I love mine). Crap is - well, crap and I've seen it at all price points. I own some swanky labels and I've worked hard to get them, but they don't make me sophisticated - they brand me as capable of affording them (and as a hellaciously savvy shopper who scouts Nordstrom Rack and sales at good shops and department stores!).


Yes, I think the problem came when someone tried to answer the question seriously.

The only real answer is that the person is carrying a towel. Although a cravat might be acceptable. Which reminds me, I still haven't picked up a cravat for travel!

Yes, I think the problem came when someone tried to answer the question seriously.

The only real answer is that the person is carrying a towel. Although a cravat might be acceptable. Which reminds me, I still haven't picked up a cravat for travel!

I've got it: the cravat is a towel.

I've got it: the cravat is a towel.

That would either be a very small towel or a very large cravat!

That would either be a very small towel or a very large cravat!

:p:p:p Or maybe one of those magic towels - those camping type ones that expand when they get wet....