All Nippon Airways Mileage Club - ANA [New] J 77W and 787 Seats

ANA says they are "fully-flat" but seatguru says they are angled flat. Which is correct? and what routes are they used on?

Thanks.

Which route are you flying?

On the 787, the one that flies to FRA are fully flat. The one that flies domestic Japan (and probably intra-Asia) are cradle seats, and therefore not even angled flat.

On the 77W, all routes except MUC, IAD and ORD will have the fully flat seats (I believe SFO/LAX are in the process of changing to fully flat, if not done already). MUC, IAD and ORD have the angled flat seats.

ANA says they are "fully-flat" but seatguru says they are angled flat. Which is correct? and what routes are they used on?

Thanks.

ANA
Seatguru doesn't have the "new" 77W configurations loaded - even though they've been around for several years.
The 787 plan shown is for regional service (currently also used for domestic flights). The international version (and there is only 1 'plane currently in this layout in service) has the same business staggered seats as the 77W, with the difference of alternating row of 1-2-1 and 1-1-1 as the cabin is not so wide. The middle seats in the the rows with 2, look like they have significantly less space than other seats, whilst the 1-middle blocks are like thrones with a bit more room.


Summary of the long haul routes:
HND-FRA 787 has fully flat, but only operates alternate days, until the next 787 is delivered (maybe in April); other days are on a 772 with old angled seats
Fully flat seats for NRT- LHR, CDG, FRA, JKF, SFO, and LAX
Angled flat (Club ANA) for NRT- ORD, IAD, MUC and HND-LAX
Aircraft with old layout also have Premium economy, whereas 787 and new 77W do not

any Idea when IAD is slated to get the new seats?

any Idea when IAD is slated to get the new seats?

No idea - but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't until the 787 deliveries have progressed a bit. Currently, one of NH's reserve 777s is covering the HND-FRA route, so they may not have the spare capacity to cover aircraft being taken out for a refit.

As a guide, the first of this configuration was delivered just over 2 years ago and with conversions there I think there is a total of 10 aircraft in this layout now, with LAX and SFO routes in service from early this year. So it's a pretty slow roll out.

Just took the LAX-NRT and NRT-LAX routes last week and they were all fully-flat.

Just took the LAX-NRT and NRT-LAX routes last week and they were all fully-flat.


Good to know... I will be on NRT - LAX on seat number 5A. How was the ANA lounge in NRT? Any sushi or sashimi?

Just took the LAX-NRT and NRT-LAX routes last week and they were all fully-flat.

On the flights this weekend. Site says its the new config. I'm in 6K. What were some impressions of the seats and the service. I"m a life long UA person, but NH has a better hard product to NRT right now, so I decided to go with NH.

I'm an UA million-mile flyer but must say that both NH's service and hard product are much much better. The new business class seats are fully lie-flat and very private. And each seat gets aisle access as well. I was able to have good sleeps for hours both ways. I still think SQ is the best in terms of service, seat pitch, width, and configurations. But NH is certainly getting there.

Agree with above. Waay above UA in every respect. And you still earm EQM's and RDM's same as if you flew UA. No lifetime mileage credit on UA, but the MM program has been reduced to rubble.

I may never set foot on a UA flight to Asia again.

why is the ord-nrt route not going to get the fully flat seats? i figure they would be one of the first...

why is the ord-nrt route not going to get the fully flat seats? i figure they would be one of the first...

It will eventually. Maybe they are the last as demand is still high and competitor products are not much ahead of ANA's last generation seating.

Incidentally, is it only JFK and LHR that use the 77W with the extra cabin of C seats? I wonder if IAD would need that configuration too? Any also if the premium economy plan is completely scrapped now? The front mini-Y cabin in the high-C 77W looks distinctly unfinished.

I am scheduled to fly IAD -NRT in may and wondering what the chance is on having new seat by then?


what is the current ANA seat comperable too?

I'm an UA million-mile flyer but must say that both NH's service and hard product are much much better. The new business class seats are fully lie-flat and very private. And each seat gets aisle access as well. I was able to have good sleeps for hours both ways. I still think SQ is the best in terms of service, seat pitch, width, and configurations. But NH is certainly getting there.

I agree that SQ's hard product is outstanding, but for soft product (food, amenities, crew) it's NH by a mile. I flew SQ J last fall after years of flying JL and NH, and I found SQ's menus and overall service far below the Japanese airlines.

I am scheduled to fly IAD -NRT in may and wondering what the chance is on having new seat by then?

Nearly zero.

Nearly zero.

^

I am scheduled to fly IAD -NRT in may and wondering what the chance is on having new seat by then?

Looking back, there are plenty of threads from 2010 asking exactly the same thing. Only ANA knows, but when it is announced, I'm sure it will be rapidly posted on this board. Last announcement was in August 2011 for the updates to NRT-CDG (October introduction), -SFO (December) and -LAX (January 2012). So plenty of advance notice for those flights.

I think it is highly unlikely that the remaining 777s will be refitted until after the 3 announced long haul 787 routes are up and running. But by May, basically no chance.

I'm flying Europe to Japan in a month. Does anyone have an opinion (who doesn't on FT?) on the new NH 787 business experience vs. LX Airbus A340-300? I'm more swayed by hard than soft, but your opinions appreciated.

Flew NH5 from lax to NRT..great C cabin. Quite spacious. Adequate food but my seat did not want to work. FAs came by dismantled it and reset it but minutes later it refused to move or recline while I was seated in it..I'm 6'3" 225 lbs so I decided that I'm too fat for the seat which worked fine when I wasn't sitting in it.

So I'm checking out the ANA website about the J seats on the 787, and sure enough, the site says:

"This site contains bloadband contents."

That's way too funny! :p

http://www.ana.co.jp/int/svc/w_en/seat/b787_staggered/index_c.html

Is LAX-HND slated to get the new Staggered seats? If so, anybody knows when?

Is LAX-HND slated to get the new Staggered seats? If so, anybody knows when?

It will eventually, but as for when only ANA knows - I wouldn't think it will be in the near future though.

Is LAX-HND slated to get the new Staggered seats? If so, anybody knows when?

LAX-HND is using 772. If they are going to do anything, they will finish off 77W before anything else, and there are still quite a few 77W routes using old seats.

It's just a week shy of April and the ANA website still hasn't listed the 787 flight schedule for FRA to NRT. Anyone have any insight?

It's just a week shy of April and the ANA website still hasn't listed the 787 flight schedule for FRA to NRT. Anyone have any insight?

You'll know when it's announced on the NH website and loaded into the GDS. Don't believe anything you read before then.

You'll know when it's announced on the NH website and loaded into the GDS. Don't believe anything you read before then.

Exactly ^
Rumours of delivery dates keep moving back. Currently suggested that the next 787 will be handed over on 26th March same date as the first one for JAL is supposed to leave Boeing. This would allow the 787 to go daily HND-FRA. But nothing is confirmed, new problems could be identified and Boeing haven't been exactly reliable in this programme - until new aircraft arrive in Japan and ANA officially update their schedule, no one really knows.

Flew NH5 from lax to NRT..great C cabin. Quite spacious. Adequate food but my seat did not want to work. FAs came by dismantled it and reset it but minutes later it refused to move or recline while I was seated in it..I'm 6'3" 225 lbs so I decided that I'm too fat for the seat which worked fine when I wasn't sitting in it.

I had the same issue on both of my flights with the new C. I think that the sensitivity for the blockage stop is just set too high. Hopefully they can adjust that as it is a pain to basically have to get off of the seat any time I want to adjust it.

Currently suggested that the next 787 will be handed over on 26th March same date as the first one for JAL is supposed to leave Boeing.

But nothing is confirmed, new problems could be identified and Boeing haven't been exactly reliable in this programme - until new aircraft arrive in Japan and ANA officially update their schedule, no one really knows.

Two JAL 787 have left for Japan - but nothing for ANA still.

It's just a week shy of April and the ANA website still hasn't listed the 787 flight schedule for FRA to NRT. Anyone have any insight?

Daily HND-FRA flights by 787 start from April 9th.
https://www.ana.co.jp/topics/notice120206/index_e.html

^ Thank you!
That's a relief!

I'm flying NH5 (new business class) in October with my daughter (12). Any thoughts on better co-seats? forward/behind window or window/aisle of same row?

I'm flying NH5 (new business class) in October with my daughter (12). Any thoughts on better co-seats? forward/behind window or window/aisle of same row?

Sorry to revive an old thread, but given that more folks have now flown the 787 configs, does anyone have a recommendation on companion seating?

Travelling on this AC with 2 adults + 2-year-old and trying to figure out the best way to keep that situation in check.

Thanks.

Sorry to revive an old thread, but given that more folks have now flown the 787 configs, does anyone have a recommendation on companion seating?

Travelling on this AC with 2 adults + 2-year-old and trying to figure out the best way to keep that situation in check.

In business class you can take one of the even rows for all three of you (C, F, H), or 3/4 of seats in one of the odd rows. Is your child going to have his own seat or be on someone's lap?

In business class you can take one of the even rows for all three of you (C, F, H), or 3/4 of seats in one of the odd rows. Is your child going to have his own seat or be on someone's lap?

Thanks. Own seat so yeah, 3 total.

I am looking at J seats HND-LAX or HND-IAD next June. Any idea if any of those will have the flat beds by then?

I am looking at J seats HND-LAX or HND-IAD next June. Any idea if any of those will have the flat beds by then?

The answer is no -- NH has not announced the introduction of the IOJ interior on any new route except NRT-ORD. Also, no carrier operates HND-IAD -- perhaps you meant NRT-IAD.

Is there any benefit or drawback to sitting in the business bulkhead seat on the international configuration 787? Thanks.

I'm looking at SFO-NRT r/t Feb 1 - Feb 11. Both ways EF.com shows 5A as being occupied and on ANA.co.jp row 5 is completely blocked out.

Any info as to why and if it's possible to get that row?

Row 5 and Row 7 are blocked for elites and/or passengers with infants (as they are bulkhead seats with bassinets). You should be able to request them at check-in if they are available.

Does anyone here know if NH 1009/1010 (new flights to JFK) operated by 77W have the Inspiration of Japan cabins?

Does anyone here know if NH 1009/1010 (new flights to JFK) operated by 77W have the Inspiration of Japan cabins?

If the NH site shows either flight as being operated by a 77W, it has the IOJ cabin. But if you had checked the Master Thread (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18705497-post3.html), you would know that these flights are not operated by a 77W every day -- only intermittently.

If the NH site shows either flight as being operated by a 77W, it has the IOJ cabin. But if you had checked the Master Thread (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18705497-post3.html), you would know that these flights are not operated by a 77W every day -- only intermittently.

Thanks for the information sorry to be remedial. Just saw my post (and your response) in that thread several weeks back-my apologies.

Are there bassinet seats in J cabin on the B787 long haul (NRT-SEA) ? I see that row 1 and row 6 are bulkhead seats but there are no indications about bassinets on the seat map. Thanks.

I read the master thread as well trying to dig through ANA website.

Thinking about about 787 flight pek-hnd in November, but unable to figure out which config it will use- 158 seats with business staggered or 222 seats with what looks like older biz seats.

Are all intl flights always biz staggered?

Thanks.

No, only long haul routes. HND-PEK will almost certainly use the short haul configuration with Business Cradle seats in C.

Is there any benefit or drawback to sitting in the business bulkhead seat on the international configuration 787? Thanks.

There is chest high closet on the windows seats, which makes the seating area feel a little more cramped. Not a huge, but the other seats are better.

I'm looking at biz class seats from NRT>SEA next year. Looks like my target flight should be on the 787 with the nice lie-flat seats in C. I'll be traveling with my spouse. Which seats are best for a couple? The two together in the middle (D+G) or window plus center? How are the two seats together for communication, space?

Thanks!

I'm looking at biz class seats from NRT>SEA next year. Looks like my target flight should be on the 787 with the nice lie-flat seats in C. I'll be traveling with my spouse. Which seats are best for a couple? The two together in the middle (D+G) or window plus center? How are the two seats together for communication, space?
As Nogbad confirms in this post (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19279182-post2.html) staggered Business seats on the 787 are very private and do not seem to have been designed with travel companions in mind. You can choose C+F or F+H in an even row but even then you will have a table and an aisle between you. I don't think an A or K with a seat in the row behind suggested by Nogbad works well and may be worse than C+F or F+H for communication.

Which seats are best for a couple? The two together in the middle (D+G) or window plus center? How are the two seats together for communication, space?

D/G are probably not a good choice due to the divider. In business on the 787 your only hope for communication without leaving your seat is shouting loudly to the whole cabin or sending a text message with the IFE - though with D/G you could probably tap messages between you in morse code.

I don't think an A or K with a seat in the row behind suggested by Nogbad works well and may be worse than C+F or F+H for communication.
That suggestion was for a 3rd seat, as the OP in that thread was travelling with 2 companions - still not ideal, but if you stood up, you could probably talk over the divider without having to cross an aisle. But for a pair, C/F or F/H are probably best though I seem to remember middle rows being not entirely aligned with the seats in the same row window sides - maybe best explained by pictures (http://www.ausbt.com.au/photos-video-inside-the-first-ana-boeing-787-dreamliner)

They are wonderful seats - just not if you want to share with your partner or attend to young children. They really are business seats. I'm sure you'll have a great flight though - enjoy!

But for a pair, C/F or F/H are probably best though I seem to remember middle rows being not entirely aligned with the seats in the same row window sides - maybe best explained by pictures (http://www.ausbt.com.au/photos-video-inside-the-first-ana-boeing-787-dreamliner)
I guess you can both lean forward if you want to talk or see each other. This is seat 11D (or the monitor in front of 11D) as seen from 11A.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8440/7989804679_11784e9936.jpg

Which seat on 787? Flying SEA-NRT next monday. Right now I have a right side window with the table to my right...seems annoying. There are no window seats with the table on the aisle side available. I was thinking about moving to one of the single middle seats with tables on both sides.

The answer is no -- NH has not announced the introduction of the IOJ interior on any new route except NRT-ORD. Also, no carrier operates HND-IAD -- perhaps you meant NRT-IAD.

I am looking at possibly flying ORD-NRT (NH11) and NRT-ORD (NH12) in September 2013. In looking at the Master Thread (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18705497-post3.html), it indicates that NRT-ORD will intermittently be served with the new IOJ interior starting yesterday (31 Oct 2012), but has NH announced other specifics about the NRT-ORD route?

I am looking at possibly flying ORD-NRT (NH11) and NRT-ORD (NH12) in September 2013. In looking at the Master Thread (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18705497-post3.html), it indicates that NRT-ORD will intermittently be served with the new IOJ interior starting yesterday (31 Oct 2012), but has NH announced other specifics about the NRT-ORD route?

Sadly, no. It will depend a lot on when they can finish refitting the other 77W they need for this route. I wouldn't expect to hear anything until early next year -- that being said, I would imagine they would have all aircraft on NH11/12 using the IOJ configuration by September 2013.

Sadly, no. It will depend a lot on when they can finish refitting the other 77W they need for this route. I wouldn't expect to hear anything until early next year -- that being said, I would imagine they would have all aircraft on NH11/12 using the IOJ configuration by September 2013.

Ok, thanks for the information on this. I was able to do a dummy booking on NH's website, and the seatmap does show the new staggered IOJ seats. The seat selection screen is pretty snazzy, with awesome 3-D views of how the cabin is actually laid out. I would like to think that by next September, the chances would be pretty good.

If the NH site shows either flight as being operated by a 77W, it has the IOJ cabin. But if you had checked the Master Thread (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18705497-post3.html), you would know that these flights are not operated by a 77W every day -- only intermittently.

Just to confirm ALL ANA 77Ws have IOJ cabins? I have a flight on hold and want to have the New First Square seating. The seat map on EF for NH 1009 indicates the following:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73667071@N07/8154081969/in/photostream/

ANA SKY WEB indicates 77W on that date.

Just to confirm ALL ANA 77Ws have IOJ cabins? I have a flight on hold and want to have the New First Square seating. The seat map on EF for NH 1009 indicates the following:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73667071@N07/8154081969/in/photostream/

ANA SKY WEB indicates 77W on that date.
If IOJ = staggered C, the seat map of 77W with the staggered C cabin looks like this.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8490/8154470579_4bc2a13c38.jpg

If IOJ = staggered C, the seat map of 77W with the staggered C cabin looks like this.


Thanks-I understand what it looks like. I was told that all 77W have the new IOJ offerings which based on this seat map is not true.

Thanks-I understand what it looks like. I was told that all 77W have the new IOJ offerings which based on this seat map is not true.

All aircraft denoted as "77W" should have the IOJ configuration; non-IOJ aircraft are denoted "773". Can you let us know what date/flight for which you're seeing this discrepancy? It could be that NH has not updated the seat map for that particular flight yet.

Is seat 18A considered a good business seat on the 77W (JFK-NRT)?

All aircraft denoted as "77W" should have the IOJ configuration; non-IOJ aircraft are denoted "773". Can you let us know what date/flight for which you're seeing this discrepancy? It could be that NH has not updated the seat map for that particular flight yet.

Dates sent by PM.

can anyone suggest me which is better seat on 787? 3A (widow on left and table on right) or 2F (the middle row seat with two tables).

can someone please tell me pros and cons?

thanks.

can anyone suggest me which is better seat on 787? 3A (widow on left and table on right) or 2F (the middle row seat with two tables).

can someone please tell me pros and cons?

It's pretty straightforward -- if you want a bit more privacy and a window seat, choose 3A. If you don't mind slightly less privacy than 3A and want more storage, choose 2F. Depending on what route and direction you are flying, it will be dark for much of the flight, so you may not see much from your window.

Looks like after March NRT-ORD is going back to the older version of the 77W.............. Was so looking forward to the newer seats in May 2013 and was happy to hear they were gonna use the new product come Oct 2012.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i1aAUcij9sw/UKbCvsB9gmI/AAAAAAAAAhE/oPwSBrYRpbs/s512/IMG_1283.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N_jZB6f8OQ4/UKa_GAc4HCI/AAAAAAAAAdU/ph9j3gl0PPQ/s960/10100966238701972.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Tk5oCWj33os/UKa_KWaRUpI/AAAAAAAAAec/KSrutPeiO9E/s512/10100966244136082.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Xpd2131QOjI/UKbDp0fqsoI/AAAAAAAAAjM/1XXB4I_BqeU/s640/IMG_1332.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ywbHGo6owxw/UKbD4FCWuVI/AAAAAAAAAiA/kackYw6wkS0/s512/IMG_1334.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2o4vDHu2ffg/UKa_JOL4RSI/AAAAAAAAAe4/Knl_xfoVBME/s912/10100966242669022.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-XJSLNK27qyM/UKa_JQZQJfI/AAAAAAAAAeM/YbKSXop5cvw/s960/10100966242963432.jpg

Are there bassinet seats in J cabin on the B787 long haul (NRT-SEA) ? I see that row 1 and row 6 are bulkhead seats but there are no indications about bassinets on the seat map. Thanks.

No.... this is row 6
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UCZAZAfIiRM/UKmGAJncwcI/AAAAAAAAAtY/aYZAQzNgB3Q/s640/IMG_1286.JPG

Looks like after March NRT-ORD is going back to the older version of the 77W.............. Was so looking forward to the newer seats in May 2013 and was happy to hear they were gonna use the new product come Oct 2012.

It could just be that NH has not loaded updated information past the current fiscal year (which ends in March).

Looks like after March NRT-ORD is going back to the older version of the 77W.............. Was so looking forward to the newer seats in May 2013 and was happy to hear they were gonna use the new product come Oct 2012.

Summer schedule won't be updated until January 2013 at the earliest. However, current ANA's schedule is showing 77W (IOJ) will operate ORD service on/after 31MAR13.

It could just be that NH has not loaded updated information past the current fiscal year (which ends in March).

Summer schedule won't be updated until January 2013 at the earliest. However, current ANA's schedule is showing 77W (IOJ) will operate ORD service on/after 31MAR13.

:eek:
I hope the 77W IOJ is still running in April! I booked my NRT-ORD flight hoping to check out the new IOJ layout in the Y cabin. I just checked the seat map for my NH12 flight and it's showing the older 77w layout.

i've flown on the new Y-seats on the 77W (NRT-LAX), 787 (SEA-NRT), and 767 (NRT-HKG)...and I can conclude that those fixed-shell seats are one of the worst seats ever. you seriously get no back support at all and I always left the flight with a sore back. It just sucks that the back does not any cushion...it kinda feels like the crappy CO seats that are stiff as a board. I think I'll try to stick with UA across the pacific, their food might not be up to par with NH but their E+ seats and their AVOD on the newly config 777s blows ANA out of the water.

"This site contains bloadband contents."

And it's still there now... :confused:
Although, in their defense, there's no "r" sound in Japanese, so when they try to pronounce it, it sounds much closer to an "l". :)

Having experienced CX's back breaker Y seats, I'm rather hesitant booking SJC-xNRT-SIN for early March. It might be better for my sanity if I go SFO-x???-SIN on another carrier instead (even if it's UA).

for IAD-NRT, I know the service is much better with ANA, but how about the old F seats comparing to the new UA F?

I just flew NRT-IAD recently; I don't mins the seats, but they seemed awfully firm and bumpy in bed mode. The mattress pad did very little to smooth things out.

But this thread is about the C seats, so further discussion should probably be taken to another thread.

I know this is about the J seats but has anyone seen any 77W Y economy seats (IOJ) photos that are not press photos ect?

I have checked A.net and JP.net, all the photos posted are the the old config. Is the 787 Y seat the same as the 77W IOJ seat?

Similar to this A.net 787 cabin photo (http://www.airliners.net/photo/All-Nippon-Airways/Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner/2087192/&sid=f6520eed6994bac5922c1d3954f4fa6d)

Thanks!

I have checked A.net and JP.net, all the photos posted are the the old config. Is the 787 Y seat the same as the 77W IOJ seat?

Yes, on the long-haul configurations they are the same.

I finally experienced these seats recently, flying NRT->PVG->NRT. Apparently the later two legs each day fly the new configuration, while the earlier flights (which I generally was taking) have the old J.

What confounds me though is why they are choosing to fly these newly configured seats on a short route like that instead of the much longer route to BKK. From what I was able to surmise from the FA, with out somewhat limited ability to communicate due to my lack of Japanese, they are targeting afternoon and evening flights, presumably due to a stronger desire to sleep, rather than morning flights. I generally fly the morning NRT to BKK and back, thus perhaps that is why I haven't seen the new seats on that route.

What I am interested in understanding further is the timeframe for a full refit of existing birds flying these intra Asia routes..

Will be flying from Narita to LAX on Flight 6, 777-300ER.

I have 5A. Is this a good seat for a solo Traveler?

I finally experienced these seats recently, flying NRT->PVG->NRT. Apparently the later two legs each day fly the new configuration, while the earlier flights (which I generally was taking) have the old J.

What confounds me though is why they are choosing to fly these newly configured seats on a short route like that instead of the much longer route to BKK. From what I was able to surmise from the FA, with out somewhat limited ability to communicate due to my lack of Japanese, they are targeting afternoon and evening flights, presumably due to a stronger desire to sleep, rather than morning flights. I generally fly the morning NRT to BKK and back, thus perhaps that is why I haven't seen the new seats on that route.

What I am interested in understanding further is the timeframe for a full refit of existing birds flying these intra Asia routes..

Yes, answering my own question here - for the benefit of any others interested. Spoke with a ticketing agent @ NRT yesterday and was told that the later of the twice daily round trip service NRT/BKK is using the new J seats, while the early flights are not. Same logic as indicated above with regards to sleep requirements.

Now, anyone who knows BKK knows that when the flight is around 8am, you can guarantee that a lot of folks (myself included) will be passed out sleeping despite that the flight departs in the morning.

I am about to take my first trip on ANA and the 787! (SEA-NRT).
Can someone please recommend the best seat to reserve? (traveling solo)

Domo

I am about to take my first trip on ANA and the 787! (SEA-NRT).
Can someone please recommend the best seat to reserve? (traveling solo)

Domo

I can't make a recommendation yet, but I'm on the same flight in November 2013. Was assigned 3A when the award flight confirmed online. From what I've seen it's a seat next to the window (as opposed to staggered next to the aisle) and just what I'm looking for with privacy, so I'm not going to change seats (at this point).

If you hear or see any problems with this seat, would appreciate an update before my flight! Thx! But I think it's a good seat...

I am about to take my first trip on ANA and the 787! (SEA-NRT).
Can someone please recommend the best seat to reserve? (traveling solo)

Domo
I can't make a recommendation yet, but I'm on the same flight in November 2013. Was assigned 3A when the award flight confirmed online. From what I've seen it's a seat next to the window (as opposed to staggered next to the aisle) and just what I'm looking for with privacy, so I'm not going to change seats (at this point).

If you hear or see any problems with this seat, would appreciate an update before my flight! Thx! But I think it's a good seat...
I was in 3A a few days ago. It's one of the best seats in the house and perfectly fine as are all window seats in odd numbered rows with the table between you and the aisle. For a better view out of the window choose a seat in the front cabin.

I was in 3A a few days ago. It's one of the best seats in the house and perfectly fine as are all window seats in odd numbered rows with the table between you and the aisle. For a better view out of the window choose a seat in the front cabin.

Excellent! Looking forward to my flight ^^^^

Thanks for the info!

Does anyone know which seats the 222seat version of the 787 on the HND-PEK route has in C? It appears from the seat map that they could be either the old lie-flats (ala 772ER) or cradle seats (ala 767 etc.) but I cannot find any info that confirms either?

EDIT: Just found the answer to my own question here (http://www.ana.co.jp/promotion/b787/en/cabin/). Appears to be the cradle seat on the new 767ER aircraft. Great seat for the 3hr trip from PEK :)

I am looking for SEA-NRT seats in November or December 2013 on a weekend (Sunday). This post (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18705497-post3.html) says:

777-300ER F/PY/C/Y w/IOJ interior ("77W")
NRT-SEA (weekends only from 12JAN13; F sold as C, PY sold as Y)


ANA website says "777", so not sure it's really IOJ layout? Also, if I book J using Aeroplan miles, will I be really able to select F seat? (F sold as C)?

Any advice?

I am looking for SEA-NRT seats in November or December 2013 on a weekend (Sunday). This post (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18705497-post3.html) says:

ANA website says "777", so not sure it's really IOJ layout? Also, if I book J using Aeroplan miles, will I be really able to select F seat? (F sold as C)?

Any advice?

That far out, I am fairly confident that the route will be operated daily by the 788, so if you book now expect there to be an change from the 777 at some point.

JA777A is currently at NRT until 2/10 for reconfiguration into the new config (IOJ F/C/PY/Y). It will probably be deployed on either the ORD or JFK route to bring it to 100% operation by IOJ-outfitted aircraft (barring something unusual due to the 787 grounding).

No.... this is row 6
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UCZAZAfIiRM/UKmGAJncwcI/AAAAAAAAAtY/aYZAQzNgB3Q/s640/IMG_1286.JPG

Looking to fly on the 777-300ER and I would love to have this seat configuration with the large area next to the closet. Can anyone confirm if this is seat 5A or 5H and 7A or 7H (or some other seat)?

Also, I noticed that there is only 5A and 7A open for seat assignment on multiple test bookings (a year in advance), while the rest of the cabin is empty. Is it blocked for are the other 5/7 seats blocked for infants/bassinets?
Thanks in advance.

Looking to fly on the 777-300ER and I would love to have this seat configuration with the large area next to the closet. Can anyone confirm if this is seat 5A or 5H and 7A or 7H (or some other seat)?
No, as the caption stated this must be 6A on the 787 (https://www.ana.co.jp/wws/japan/e/asw_common/inflight/seatmap/b787_8/).

Looking to fly on the 777-300ER and I would love to have this seat configuration with the large area next to the closet. Can anyone confirm if this is seat 5A or 5H and 7A or 7H (or some other seat)?

Also, I noticed that there is only 5A and 7A open for seat assignment on multiple test bookings (a year in advance), while the rest of the cabin is empty. Is it blocked for are the other 5/7 seats blocked for infants/bassinets?
Thanks in advance.

That's 6A on a 787. Those seats are the bassinet positions (the open area next to the AVOD console is where the bassinet sits). On a 77W, similar bassinet seats are D and H in the bulkhead rows 5 and 7. I think A and F seats in these rows have a closet for the CAs in these areas and not an open space. They are normally blocked for lap-infiants, but are offered at check-in. Maybe elites can unblock them by calling?

No, as the caption stated this must be 6A on the 787 (https://www.ana.co.jp/wws/japan/e/asw_common/inflight/seatmap/b787_8/).

It is already understood the photo is from a 787. As my post stated, I am looking for the same type of seat on the 777. Perhaps that is not made clear in the wording.

That's 6A on a 787. Those seats are the bassinet positions (the open area next to the AVOD console is where the bassinet sits). On a 77W, similar bassinet seats are D and H in the bulkhead rows 5 and 7. I think A and F seats in these rows have a closet for the CAs in these areas and not an open space. They are normally blocked for lap-infiants, but are offered at check-in. Maybe elites can unblock them by calling?

Perfect, thanks for the answer/clarification.

I'm booked on ANA flight 5. Does anyone know if the problems with the 787 are forcing any equipment changes on other routes, particularly LAX-NRT?

I'm booked on ANA flight 5. Does anyone know if the problems with the 787 are forcing any equipment changes on other routes, particularly LAX-NRT?

Yes -- please check the link in the WikiPost at the top of this thread (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/all-nippon-airways-mileage-club/1428215-787-cancellations-delays-changes-due-787-grounding-master-thread.html).

I'm booked on ANA flight 5. Does anyone know if the problems with the 787 are forcing any equipment changes on other routes, particularly LAX-NRT?

I flew NH5 on Saturday and it was still the 77W. Looking at the flight adjustments that have been posted in the other thread it didn't look like there was any planned equipment changes to it...

They need to convert the 77W IAD-NRT...

I'm flying the new 777-300 ER from JFK to NRT. Seat Guru shows row 6 window seats have a misaligned windows? Can anyone verify truth to that? This is on NH 9 or 10.

Should I move to row 9? I heard the front mini cabin is preferrable?

Thanks!!

Does anyone know or have a list of which tail numbers have the IOJ product and which ones are old product?

Thanks.

Does anyone know or have a list of which tail numbers have the IOJ product and which ones are old product?

Thanks.

There was a thread on this a few years ago
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/all-nippon-airways-mileage-club/1221565-aircraft-registrations-have-business-staggered-seats.html
But no answers - so I'll make a list

IOJ hi J
JA784A, 85, 86, 87 (delivered fitted)

IOJ lo J
JA788A, 89 (delivered fitted)
JA731A, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 (converted over the last few years)
JA777A (just converted a couple of days ago and now flying again)

Old (Club ANA)
JA778A, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83

I think that is right. Please correct if anyone knows better.

I'm guessing that JA777A was in for a D check and got new seats at the same time; maybe all the others will get converted when theirs become due over the next year or so.

Thanks a lot. :-:

I'm thinking of flying to Tokyo in April but can't figure out which ANA flights from JFK have the new IOJ seating. I'd be flying in Economy so I'd really prefer to use the new seating because I don't like it when the seat in front reclines into my space. Are flights 9 and 10 fitted?

I'm thinking of flying to Tokyo in April but can't figure out which ANA flights from JFK have the new IOJ seating. I'd be flying in Economy so I'd really prefer to use the new seating because I don't like it when the seat in front reclines into my space. Are flights 9 and 10 fitted?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18705497-post3.html

The problem right now is that due to the 787 grounding, there are frequent aircraft substitutions. If you follow the link in the WikiPost at the top of the 787 grounding thread you will know 2-3 weeks in advance whether your operating aircraft has been switched.

Thanks this helps! Has anyone tried the Economy IOJ seats on a long-haul flight? I'm debating between this or JAL's Premium Economy...

Never mind. Decided to go with IOJ Economy instead of JAL Premium Y to save some money.

IAD NRT flights will have IOJ seating starting 3/31/2013

IAD NRT flights will have IOJ seating starting 3/31/2013

Really? Wow, that is fantastic..

IAD NRT flights will have IOJ seating starting 3/31/2013

Yep! As reported here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20387269-post5.html

Though I'm still surprised at the speed of the announcement...

I just did a dummy booking for NH11 at the end of July (ORD-NRT). Can anyone confirm new staggered business? It shows it on the seatmap, but its not listed in the booking tool. Really appreciate the help!

If it shows on the seat map, you should be fine... Where does it say type of seat in the booking process though?

If it shows on the seat map, you should be fine... Where does it say type of seat in the booking process though?


I clicked on the seat map once I found the flight in the booking tool (the tool listed 77W as the aircraft type)

When i clicked on an open seat, there was a little tab that appeared that read 'check seat details'. I brought up the detailed seat description and the link below lead me to believe it would be listed as ANA Business Staggered in the actual booking tool.

https://www.ana.co.jp/wws/us/e/asw_common/inflight/guide/info/new_brand_2010/info_01/

I clicked on the seat map once I found the flight in the booking tool (the tool listed 77W as the aircraft type)

When i clicked on an open seat, there was a little tab that appeared that read 'check seat details'. I brought up the detailed seat description and the link below lead me to believe it would be listed as ANA Business Staggered in the actual booking tool.

https://www.ana.co.jp/wws/us/e/asw_common/inflight/guide/info/new_brand_2010/info_01/

ORT-NRT has been almost always IOJ equipment recently. If the the tool says 77W, it will be IOJ ANA Business staggered.

IAD is still showing the old seat map for some reason...

IAD is still showing the old seat map for some reason...

When is your flight?
For the moment IOJ seems to be alternate days on IAD route. Previously, when ANA changed the equipment, it took time for flights some time in the future to get updated in the system, sometimes only changing a month or so before.

IAD is still showing the old seat map for some reason...

When is your flight?
For the moment IOJ seems to be alternate days on IAD route. Previously, when ANA changed the equipment, it took time for flights some time in the future to get updated in the system, sometimes only changing a month or so before.

July.... Looking at the timetable it seems to show 777 for all days of the week..

July.... Looking at the timetable it seems to show 777 for all days of the week..
Yep. Before when they introduced IOJ-77W only the first month or so was changed in the seat map system. Later months gradually caught up. This happened on several different route introductions. So it might not have updated yet. There is also an intermediate stage, where the old seat maps show up in booking, but people selecting seat had the old seat map and a warning that the configuration was going to be changed. So might take a few months before July is updated. Or indeed it could all change again depending on maintenance if the 787s don't fly again soon.

I just did a dummy booking for NH11 at the end of July (ORD-NRT). Can anyone confirm new staggered business? It shows it on the seatmap, but its not listed in the booking tool. Really appreciate the help!

Yes it is, flew one a few weeks ago, it was VERY empty in all classes. It seems like NH love blocking majority of seats til 24 hours to departure, it ended up leaving less than 1/3 full the entire plane, I got 4 seats to myself in Y, and most other people got 2, 3, or 4 seats to themselves as well.

I wonder how they can make any money on this route.

I have 6k seat from SFO-NRT. Seatguru says this is not so good because it is close to lav. To me, seems like the solo window seat in the 2 row mini-cabin is a good seat. Agree or disagree?

I have 6k seat from SFO-NRT. Seatguru says this is not so good because it is close to lav. To me, seems like the solo window seat in the 2 row mini-cabin is a good seat. Agree or disagree?

You might like 5A better if you can get it, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with 6K. I've flown in 6C before and there was no problem with lav or galley noise. I did wish for being closer to the window and that's why 5A is now my favorite seat.

You might like 5A better if you can get it, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with 6K. I've flown in 6C before and there was no problem with lav or galley noise. I did wish for being closer to the window and that's why 5A is now my favorite seat.

I flew SFO-NRT-SFO in the past weeks and it was in 5A and agree it's a really good location worth grabbing if you can.

I'm booked on NH11 in late July. My current Seat is 9A, 5A is avail. according to the online tool. Is it THAT much better?

I'm booked on NH11 in late July. My current Seat is 9A, 5A is avail. according to the online tool. Is it THAT much better?

No, not miles better more like inches better but that's still worth selecting it if you can IMHO. The mini-cabin directly behind First is quieter than farther back and so offers a slight advantage but it's still a great product to me regardless of where you are on the plane.

I'm booked on NH11 in late July. My current Seat is 9A, 5A is avail. according to the online tool. Is it THAT much better?

I flew in 9A just a couple of weeks ago. It was great, although the guy in front of me seemed to love his newspapers so I had the sound of crinkling paper keeping me up all night. Literally every time he finished one newspaper, he'd go up to the front and grab another one. He never watched a single in-flight movie - he just read every single newspaper they had, and made sure to turn the pages as loudly as possible.

If 5A was available, I'd go for it. I don't see how the seat itself could be all that much better, but with one fewer person in front of or behind you, that's just one fewer chance at having someone annoying around you. Of course, you could still get unlucky with the person in 6C or 5D.

I flew in 9A just a couple of weeks ago. It was great, although the guy in front of me seemed to love his newspapers so I had the sound of crinkling paper keeping me up all night. Literally every time he finished one newspaper, he'd go up to the front and grab another one. He never watched a single in-flight movie - he just read every single newspaper they had, and made sure to turn the pages as loudly as possible.

If 5A was available, I'd go for it. I don't see how the seat itself could be all that much better, but with one fewer person in front of or behind you, that's just one fewer chance at having someone annoying around you. Of course, you could still get unlucky with the person in 6C or 5D.

I had a toddler and infant that kept me awake in 5A on the outbound so yes, regardless of the location there could always be distractions though luckily the inbound was smooth & quieter but I like the smaller cabin and can see why others here do as well.

Is the mini cabin hotter (temp wise)? I had a similar experience in the LH mini J cabin last July?

Just changed my seat to 5A from 9A, since it was available. Can I assume it'll stick? Or is this a blocked seat, and mine might get changed?

I had a toddler and infant that kept me awake in 5A on the outbound so yes, regardless of the location there could always be distractions though luckily the inbound was smooth & quieter but I like the smaller cabin and can see why others here do as well.

That's actually something to consider... I'm sure whenever ANA does get families in business class, they stick them in the mini-cabin. I know they do this in economy whenever there is a mini-cabin (they've told me that specifically) so they probably do the same in business. There shouldn't be as many families traveling in business, though, but obviously it does happen.

@FSUSeminole007

I just flew NH 6 a couple of days ago in 5A and was prepared to be roasting the entire flight (I normally run much warmer than average, fall asleep real quick when the ambient temp is nice and chilly). Instead of changing into lightweight shorts and a t-shirt, I used their pajamas and the duvet. It wasn't cold by any means but it was not warm like it was last year when I took a trip in Y. Wouldn't be able to tell you if there as a difference between the mini and larger cabin as I didn't venture that way. If i can remember, I'll check about that when I fly out next week in 5A again.

Separately, service seemed a little forgetful (or a lot forgetful depending on your relative standards) in the mini-cabin. While i noticed the FAs standing at the back of the mini-cabin quite often and do quick walkthroughs to observe, they didn't seem to observe drinks to be refilled during dinner service, plates to be taken away during the snack service, drinkware to be picked up on final approach, etc. A quick mention (or turn of the head really) brought them over immediately.

@FSUSeminole007

I just flew NH 6 a couple of days ago in 5A and was prepared to be roasting the entire flight (I normally run much warmer than average, fall asleep real quick when the ambient temp is nice and chilly). Instead of changing into lightweight shorts and a t-shirt, I used their pajamas and the duvet. It wasn't cold by any means but it was not warm like it was last year when I took a trip in Y. Wouldn't be able to tell you if there as a difference between the mini and larger cabin as I didn't venture that way. If i can remember, I'll check about that when I fly out next week in 5A again.

Separately, service seemed a little forgetful (or a lot forgetful depending on your relative standards) in the mini-cabin. While i noticed the FAs standing at the back of the mini-cabin quite often and do quick walkthroughs to observe, they didn't seem to observe drinks to be refilled during dinner service, plates to be taken away during the snack service, drinkware to be picked up on final approach, etc. A quick mention (or turn of the head really) brought them over immediately.

Thanks for the feedback. You bring up an interesting point on service level, since 5A butts up against FC. I guess, I'll have to take my chances.

Contrary to the level of detail I've asked about on this thread, I am pretty low maintenance (I Swear....well, kinda).

Thanks for the feedback. You bring up an interesting point on service level, since 5A butts up against FC. I guess, I'll have to take my chances.

Contrary to the level of detail I've asked about on this thread, I am pretty low maintenance (I Swear....well, kinda).

I don't think service was any worse in mini cabin. I was on the route NRT-SEA with NH before and also found service was very average. I was in 6A, right after the galley if I remember right. Their FAs kept walking pass me several times while I was stuck for more than 30 minutes with my finished meal tray and they did nothing. I had to ask them to remove the tray several times before one actually did. It's a pity because the plane and the seat were nice and I really like their food on board and their lounge. However service was not as great. It didn't help that I had been on an OZ flight just before that one.

That's actually something to consider... I'm sure whenever ANA does get families in business class, they stick them in the mini-cabin. I know they do this in economy whenever there is a mini-cabin (they've told me that specifically) so they probably do the same in business.

Wow, if that's true, that policy is insane. The mini-cabin is right behind F, so any screaming kids in the mini-cabin could potentially ruin the flight for F passengers.

I believe JAL has the opposite approach. For example, JL notably does not have any bassinets in the J mini-cabin, presumably because crying infants would bother the F passengers who sit only inches away.

On the other hand, on my last JL flight in the J mini-cabin, there was a screaming toddler in F whose screams were audible in J. :rolleyes:

How likely are op. seat changes on the 77W? Anyone have an idea. Seats are filling up and I am nervous that 5A is reserved for top ANA elites and I'm going to get bumped.

did you book thru ANA? i only ask because i had booked my travel thru United and, while United typically has to do some sort of electronic request to the ANA servers and wait/hope for confirmation for some seat assignments, if it's within the block of seats that United reserved for a flight, they can instantly confirm the seat assignment without waiting for ANA to confirm. such is how I got 5A both ways without any fuss (also to my surprise since i assumed it would be blocked).

one thing to note re anytime snacks and second meal service that i thought the attendants on both flights didn't explain very well - you have until around 2 hours (NH5 was a firm 2 hour cutoff, NH6 was a fuzzy 1hour and 45 before arrival) before arrival to order either or both snacks and the second meal; the default is that you want neither until you tell them otherwise.

did you book thru ANA? i only ask because i had booked my travel thru United and, while United typically has to do some sort of electronic request to the ANA servers and wait/hope for confirmation for some seat assignments, if it's within the block of seats that United reserved for a flight, they can instantly confirm the seat assignment without waiting for ANA to confirm. such is how I got 5A both ways without any fuss (also to my surprise since i assumed it would be blocked).

one thing to note re anytime snacks and second meal service that i thought the attendants on both flights didn't explain very well - you have until around 2 hours (NH5 was a firm 2 hour cutoff, NH6 was a fuzzy 1hour and 45 before arrival) before arrival to order either or both snacks and the second meal; the default is that you want neither until you tell them otherwise.

Booked through a corporate travel agent- and I assume it was through ANA as I have a separate PNR specifically for my ANA flights.

I have yet to be booted. On both 016 and 205 ticket stock.
The NH PNR means nothing. My AmEx booking is an 016 (UA) ticket but NH has a separate PNR I can't touch til T-24. NH call center can change it for you though.

I have yet to be booted. On both 016 and 205 ticket stock.
The NH PNR means nothing. My AmEx booking is an 016 (UA) ticket but NH has a separate PNR I can't touch til T-24. NH call center can change it for you though.

Thanks- I was able to snag 5A using my NH PNR and added all of my passport details into my booking using the NH website. So I'm hoping ::fingers crossed:: it will stick.

did you book thru ANA? i only ask because i had booked my travel thru United and, while United typically has to do some sort of electronic request to the ANA servers and wait/hope for confirmation for some seat assignments, if it's within the block of seats that United reserved for a flight, they can instantly confirm the seat assignment without waiting for ANA to confirm. such is how I got 5A both ways without any fuss (also to my surprise since i assumed it would be blocked).

I just took my NH locator as shown on my UA file and called NH reservations and asked for seat 5A and it was no problem.

I just took my NH locator as shown on my UA file and called NH reservations and asked for seat 5A and it was no problem.

Have they gotten better about that? I used to get about a 50% success rate calling NH reservations, other times they'd push back and say I had to request through UA. I'll try calling them next time, thanks!

From reading the past few posts, it seems that the A and H seats are often blocked by NH. I'm in 10C for my flight on Monday - not a big deal, but would prefer one of the solo window seats. Every single one of them is either full or blocked out while most of the cabin is empty.

Will they appear at OLCI, or do I need to call NH and be persuasive? (assuming they're not all taken of course)

From reading the past few posts, it seems that the A and H seats are often blocked by NH. I'm in 10C for my flight on Monday - not a big deal, but would prefer one of the solo window seats. Every single one of them is either full or blocked out while most of the cabin is empty.

Will they appear at OLCI, or do I need to call NH and be persuasive? (assuming they're not all taken of course)

I think NH only blocks 5A for VIPs; the other should be available, though you may have to call. But at this point, I would just do OLCI, or failing that, talk to an agent at the airport.

I think NH only blocks 5A for VIPs; the other should be available, though you may have to call. But at this point, I would just do OLCI, or failing that, talk to an agent at the airport.

I hope not TOO VIP, I have it selected for my flight.

No luck at OLCI either, maybe they're truly booked. Regardless, looking forward to the flight tomorrow and my first Japan visit of the year!