All Nippon Airways Mileage Club - 787 Routes

I'm pretty sure the 787 route currently is HND/FRA, but why do I see a 77W? Did they change it? I also know that there are SEA routes planned; are they in the ANA Tool yet?

THanks!

Delivery issues apparently. Until April, 787 operates every other day See here (http://airlineroute.net/2012/02/10/nh-fra-mar12/)

It's SEA and SJC (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/all-nippon-airways-mileage-club/1293615-new-ana-new-787-routes-seattle-san-jose-sjc.html) the new 787 routes.
GBM

Delivery issues apparently. Until April, 787 operates every other day See here (http://airlineroute.net/2012/02/10/nh-fra-mar12/)

It's SEA and SJC (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/all-nippon-airways-mileage-club/1293615-new-ana-new-787-routes-seattle-san-jose-sjc.html) the new 787 routes.
GBM

Approximately when are the SEA/SJC routes going to start?

Approximately when are the SEA/SJC routes going to start?

Most likely after October 2012.

Delivery issues apparently. Until April, 787 operates every other day See here (http://airlineroute.net/2012/02/10/nh-fra-mar12/)

It's SEA and SJC (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/all-nippon-airways-mileage-club/1293615-new-ana-new-787-routes-seattle-san-jose-sjc.html) the new 787 routes.
GBM

The next 787 delivery is due to leave Boeing shortly to arrive in HND late tonight. Assuming it is the next long haul configured aircraft, HND-FRA ought to go daily with an 787 within a few days.

SJC, first quarter 2013.

SJC, first quarter 2013.

Do you have a source for this? Everything I've been hearing is that the route will be started sometime within the 2012 fiscal year (i.e. before March 31, 2013).

Do you have a source for this? Everything I've been hearing is that the route will be started sometime within the 2012 fiscal year (i.e. before March 31, 2013).
I wonder if the OP is even aware of the Japanese fiscal year? And is referring to the Jan-Mar quarter of 2013.....YMMV

I wonder if the OP is even aware of the Japanese fiscal year? And is referring to the Jan-Mar quarter of 2013.....YMMV

Perhaps, but my point was more that NH could start SJC service at any time after October 2012, if the various statements they've made are true. A more specific timeframe like "1Q 2013" is not something I've heard so far, hence my interest in the source.

There was a recent article in the Seattle times about the 787 routes.
Discussed the JAL and ANA flights.

"ANA will open two similar "long, thin" routes to the U.S., to Seattle later this year and to San Jose, Calif., next spring. No firm dates have yet been announced."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2017845849_jal27.html

The next 787 delivery is due to leave Boeing shortly to arrive in HND late tonight. Assuming it is the next long haul configured aircraft, HND-FRA ought to go daily with an 787 within a few days.

HND-FRA daily on 787 from 9th April. (https://www.ana.co.jp/topics/notice120206/index_e.html)
Another ANA 787 had its flight test yesterday and is due to be delivered this month. No idea which cabin configuration though.

Do you have a source for this? Everything I've been hearing is that the route will be started sometime within the 2012 fiscal year (i.e. before March 31, 2013).

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=18300124

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=18300124

I think your link is broken...

Sorry about that.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/nationalbreaking/ci_20080605

Isnt it a little inefficient or maybe a waste to use the 787 on short Japan domestic flights?

The fuel savings would probably not be realized on such short flights.

ANA probably wants their domestic Japanese customers to experience the 787 but operationally speaking, it seems that the plane could be better utilized on longer routes.

Isnt it a little inefficient or maybe a waste to use the 787 on short Japan domestic flights?

The fuel savings would probably not be realized on such short flights.

ANA probably wants their domestic Japanese customers to experience the 787 but operationally speaking, it seems that the plane could be better utilized on longer routes.

No, NH has 30+ 763 for its domestic network, these 30+ 763 are all over 20 years old (some are close to 25 years old) and need to be replace soon if not the next 5 years, the older it gets the more expensive to maintain, not to mention since they are domestic usage only, it also means these planes have much higher cycles than those 763 fly intra-asia.

Also, there is nothing equivalent to a 763, the only direct replacement is 787.

The 767s are the oldest planes in the fleet but they are not *all* quite that old... see the inventory here:
http://zettaishin.web.fc2.com/info_z/allnippon/ana_fleet.html

There was originally a plan to make a less efficient 787 model specifically for domestic use in Japan (787-3), but all the orders for that model were converted to 787-8 orders.

Domestic service is also better for flight crew training and for covering maintenance issues, which are both important considerations at this stage...

I'll be sad when the domestic "76Ps" go. The legroom in the exit row is amazing on those birds.

I saw the 787 in Beijing. Where is ANA currently flying it to?

I saw the 787 in Beijing. Where is ANA currently flying it to?

Internationally: FRA (and unofficially PEK, apparently). Domestically: ITM, MYJ, UBJ, OKJ, and HIJ now; FUK and KOJ from May; and KMJ from June.

I saw the 787 in Beijing. Where is ANA currently flying it to?

are they really flying it to PEK? When did they start?

I saw the 787 in Beijing. Where is ANA currently flying it to?

Was it an ANA 787 or the Boeing aircraft. I saw the Boeing 787 in PEK.

It was an ANA 787. Lots of people taking photos.

are they really flying it to PEK? When did they start?

HND-PEK on 787 started 3 months ago on 1/14

It was an ANA 787. Lots of people taking photos.

Yes, I was talking to a spotter from PEK and he stated it was NH 787. However, it was not a commercial flight but on a tour, starting in PEK, of China.

NH's CEO just mentioned in a press conference that the SEA flight may start as early as July or August.

HND-PEK on 787 started 3 months ago on 1/14

Yeah. I saw it that week.

Thanks for update!
Is there an online article for this?

If NH prices this flight competitively, i'll be on it very often.

NH's CEO just mentioned in a press conference that the SEA flight may start as early as July or August.

There is a brief mention here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-11/all-nippon-ms-ad-mitsubishi-nidec-japan-stocks-preview.html

NH's CEO just mentioned in a press conference that the SEA flight may start as early as July or August.

Maybe NH is trying to take advantage of disgruntled UA pax out of SEA sooner!:p

LAX

Another new 787 arrived HND last night - guessing this will be regional/domestic config (have any high density domestic configured 787 been delivered yet?) for the increased domestic schedule for May?

NH domestic reservations says there will be 335 seats on the high density 787, versus 12/252 on the medium density version currently used domestically. I guess this means 9 abreast.

https://www.ana.co.jp/dom/inflight/seatmap/b8p/

NH domestic reservations says there will be 335 seats on the high density 787, versus 12/252 on the medium density version currently used domestically. I guess this means 9 abreast.

https://www.ana.co.jp/dom/inflight/seatmap/b8p/

So, eventually domestic 787 isn't going to be anywhere near as nice as now, particularly the space in premium class. Maybe they have been waiting for the new domestic premium seat before getting any domestic 787 fitted out.

Slightly off topic but a couple observations from a recent trip (HND - OKJ) on a NH B787

The bins have hydraulic pistons on each end and being from the US I envision US based airlines having a lot of those broken as careless passengers force the bins down or up.
Does anyone know if any of that newer wide luggage fits in those bins when stacked on their side?
The engines seem to have an annoying high pitched buzz.

Which days of the week is the 787 flying PEK-HND?

3 new 787 have arrived in Japan over the last few days, supposedly the first of the high density layout. Expect to see the 335 seat version (https://www.ana.co.jp/dom/inflight/seatmap/b8p/) on domestic routes very soon.

ANA will start 787 flights from Seattle in October (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2018559995_dreamliner30.html)

ANA will start 787 flights from Seattle in October (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2018559995_dreamliner30.html)

Does anyone know if this has been confirmed by any other source or ANA itself? Can't find anything else on this, and am looking to book to BKK via NRT departing in mid-December. Deciding between ANA and UA, and I need to connect somewhere - Seattle is definitely one of the options I was looking at.

Right now, ANA is still showing this as a 777. Going through SEA does add an extra connection compared to most routings for me, and either way, I am considering it, but can catch a 777 from various US gateways. If I was more certain that the 787 is going to be on this route by December, I would for sure take that option.

ANA is way better than UA in every respect!

Does anyone know if this has been confirmed by any other source or ANA itself? Can't find anything else on this, and am looking to book to BKK via NRT departing in mid-December. Deciding between ANA and UA, and I need to connect somewhere - Seattle is definitely one of the options I was looking at.

Right now, ANA is still showing this as a 777. Going through SEA does add an extra connection compared to most routings for me, and either way, I am considering it, but can catch a 777 from various US gateways. If I was more certain that the 787 is going to be on this route by December, I would for sure take that option.

I hope the plan sticks, I am booked in J in mid-january. Boeing is starting to crank out 787 delieveries, so I would expect the oct, if it slips, to no latter than december.

Are there any international NH routes on the 787 within Asia? I could not find any flights to PEK.

Does anyone know if this has been confirmed by any other source or ANA itself? Can't find anything else on this, and am looking to book to BKK via NRT departing in mid-December. Deciding between ANA and UA, and I need to connect somewhere - Seattle is definitely one of the options I was looking at.

Right now, ANA is still showing this as a 777. Going through SEA does add an extra connection compared to most routings for me, and either way, I am considering it, but can catch a 777 from various US gateways. If I was more certain that the 787 is going to be on this route by December, I would for sure take that option.

Would like to know this as well...flying SFO-TPE in late October and would consider going SFO-SEA-NRT-TPE to fly on the 787 if a specific switchover date is given.

More 787 problems (http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120722_07.html)

ANA grounds 5 of 11 Dreamliners

All Nippon Airways has been forced to ground five of its 11 Boeing 787 Dreamliners over an engine defect.

The 787 launch customer said the aircraft were grounded after Boeing discovered an issue with the gearbox of the 787’s Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engine. ANA said the aircraft were grounded as a precaution but that none had been affected by the issue, which was discovered during Boeing’s ground-based endurance testing of the engine.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2012/07/ana-grounds-5-of-11-dreamliners/

According to the latest reports (in Japanese press) two of them have already been fixed.

ANA grounds 5 of 11 Dreamliners
According to the latest reports (in Japanese press) two of them have already been fixed.

One of the international 787 was affected, but seems to have been fixed as was flying again today.

One of the international 787 was affected, but seems to have been fixed as was flying again today.
Sunday's NH203 HND-FRA departed 7 hr 34 min late as it obviously waited for the arrival of JA805A from FRA. Monday's NH203 (operated by JA806A) departed and arrived on time.

Sunday's NH203 HND-FRA departed 7 hr 34 min late as it obviously waited for the arrival of JA805A from FRA. Monday's NH203 (operated by JA806A) departed and arrived on time.

I guess that means a quick fix (parts available) so should be resolved for all soon and shouldn't further delay the assembled 787 awaiting delivery.

NRT SJC to start from 11JAN13, 5 times a week
http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/21/nh-sjc-jan13/

NRT SEA is currently planned with 787 operation from 01OCT12, but pending on aircraft delivery.

From 28OCT12, 787 is also to operate service to Sapporo, Miyazaki and from 01DEC12 to Takamatsu

NRT SJC to start from 11JAN13, 5 times a week
http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/21/nh-sjc-jan13/

NRT SEA is currently planned with 787 operation from 01OCT12, but pending on aircraft delivery.

From 28OCT12, 787 is also to operate service to Sapporo, Miyazaki and from 01DEC12 to Takamatsu

Thanks. Here's ANA's announcement: http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press/2012/120821.html

ANA to start 787 to Seattle on 1st Oct

http://www.portseattle.org/Newsroom/News-Releases/Pages/default.aspx?year=2012#309

All Nippon Airways (ANA) announced today their Seattle-Tokyo nonstop will be serviced by the Boeing 787 beginning October 1 at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport. This will be the first regular passenger service out of Sea-Tac with the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. ANA, the launch customer of the 787, chose Seattle to be one of the initial international destinations for the new jetliner and began daily Seattle-Tokyo (Narita) service on July 25.

Thanks. Here's ANA's announcement: http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press/2012/120821.html

If you pay attention to both English and Japanese Press Release, you'll notice the English PR says nothing about possible delay of 787 service to SEA and PEK, which is pending on scheduled 787 delivery.

Of course, no one cares.

If you pay attention to both English and Japanese Press Release, you'll notice the English PR says nothing about possible delay of 787 service to SEA and PEK, which is pending on scheduled 787 delivery.

Of course, no one cares.

I noticed. That's the usual disclaimer to keep the perennial complainers here in Japan from making a fuss when--surprise, surprise--delivery of the 787 has again been delayed.

You'll notice also that the Japanese version mentions on which new domestic routes the 787 will be introduced, while the English version says nothing. The target audience is different, I suppose -- all of the foreigners are concerned about when the 787 will be arriving somewhere near them.

Thanks. Here's ANA's announcement: http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press/2012/120821.html

Thanks for posting.
IN that press release, the short-haul/mid-haul international 787 for the HND-PEK route is going to have 222 seats from the end of October. So looks like they are getting new ones with yet another layout or converting the early lower density domestic ones with more ANA cradle seats as more high density domestics are delivered.

Thanks for posting.
IN that press release, the short-haul/mid-haul international 787 for the HND-PEK route is going to have 222 seats from the end of October. So looks like they are getting new ones with yet another layout or converting the early lower density domestic ones with more ANA cradle seats as more high density domestics are delivered.

Yep, I believe you're correct on the latter -- they'll start switching out any of the short-haul international 787s remaining on domestic legs in Japan and convert the front Y compartment into C. Say goodbye to 2-4-2 in economy -- 3-3-3 will be the standard now :(

I noticed. That's the usual disclaimer to keep the perennial complainers here in Japan from making a fuss when--surprise, surprise--delivery of the 787 has again been delayed.

You'll notice also that the Japanese version mentions on which new domestic routes the 787 will be introduced, while the English version says nothing. The target audience is different, I suppose -- all of the foreigners are concerned about when the 787 will be arriving somewhere near them.

JAL's press release in English mentions the pending delivery of 787 aircraft for its planned Singapore service.....Wonder why ANA didn't bother. It could be somewhat an "embarrassment" if 787 didn't fly to SEA on time from 01OCT12.

Meanwhile, reservation for SJC service begins on 30AUG12.

NRT-SEA: 8 hours 30 minutes for UA's 777, but 9 hours 30 minutes for ANA's 787. What gives?

NRT-SEA: 8 hours 30 minutes for UA's 777, but 9 hours 30 minutes for ANA's 787. What gives?

Fuel efficient doesn't equate to time efficient? hahaha....

NRT-SEA: 8 hours 30 minutes for UA's 777, but 9 hours 30 minutes for ANA's 787. What gives?

Block times vary by airline for a variety of reasons (max airspeed, loaded weight, route, etc.), so this isn't a big surprise. I would anticipate the NH flight to arrive earlier than scheduled more often, especially due to tailwinds over the Pacific.

Dont know about planes but for cars, going fast burns more fuel than traveling at a slower speed.

If you look at flightstats, it seems that ANA's actual flight time is in line with UA and DL:

http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByRoute.do?departure=%28NRT%29+Narita+ Airport&arrival=%28SEA%29+Seattle%2FTacoma+International+A irport&departureDate=2012-10-15&airportQueryTime=0&queryNext=false&queryPrevious=false&sortField=3&airlineToFilter=--+All+Airlines+--&codeshareDisplay=1&x=36&y=9

It may be that they set up a longer block time simply for schedule padding purposes. I could imagine that UA and DL might not want to do this in order to better facilitate connections.

Can't wait for my first experience tomorrow on NH32 from ITM to HND!