India-based Airlines - After Reading This Article, I Feel Extremely Proud Of Air India




PVDtoDEL
Feb 15, 12, 6:35 am
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/15/pakistan-airline-idUSL4E8DF2LR20120215
SLAMABAD, Feb 15 (Reuters) - On a recent Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight, water flowed from the toilets through the aisles during the entire journey from London to Islamabad.

"What if it reaches some electrical wires and puts us in danger?" said one concerned passenger to another after flight attendants brushed off repeated complaints.

"This could be a catastrophe."

PIA, like Pakistan, always seems to be on the brink of disaster. But now that seems closer than ever for the national flag carrier, once a source of pride for the country.

The airline is hemorrhaging hundreds of millions of dollars a year while being pummeled by competition from sleek Gulf giants like Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways.

A quarter of its 40 aircraft are grounded because the airline can't find enough money to buy spare parts. Flights are regularly cancelled and engineers say they are having to cannibalise some planes to keep others flying.

"The situation has worsened to the extent of rendering this airline almost financially unviable," said the State Bank of Pakistan in a report on the state of the economy.

In many ways the airline mirrors the way Pakistan -- a strategic U.S. ally often described as a failing state -- is run.

The same inefficiency, nepotism and corruption that critics say have prevented the government from tackling a Taliban insurgency, crippling power cuts, ethnic violence and widespread poverty also threaten to bring down the airline.

PIA lost 19.29 billion rupees ($212.7 million) in the first nine months of 2011, almost double the losses in the same period in 2010.

The airline, like the Pakistani economy, has relied on bailouts to stay in the air, and is negotiating with the state for another rescue package.

"Just like PIA has the potential to do well, Pakistan's economy does too. But both haven't because of mismanagement. In the end that is the story -- mismanagement," Salman Shah, a former Pakistani finance minister, told Reuters.

PIA officials declined to comment on the challenges facing the airline.




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While AI is hardly the brilliantly run airline that I wish it was, it seems that they've been doing pretty ok after all compared to another airline in a similar position...


SeeBuyFly
Feb 15, 12, 9:53 am
In Alabama they say "Thank god for Mississippi". In India we say "Thank god for Pakistan". We're not the worst. We're second-worst!

Keyser
Feb 15, 12, 12:57 pm
In Alabama they say "Thank god for Mississippi". In India we say "Thank god for Pakistan". We're not the worst. We're second-worst!

hilarious....:D


CommittedLurker
Feb 15, 12, 5:58 pm
Actually, after reading this article, I am also proud of Kingfisher.

flyer31
Feb 15, 12, 6:57 pm
sad state of affairs for govt run airlines in both these countries, govts have no business sense.....



http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/15/pakistan-airline-idUSL4E8DF2LR20120215



While AI is hardly the brilliantly run airline that I wish it was, it seems that they've been doing pretty ok after all compared to another airline in a similar position...

Yaatri
Feb 15, 12, 6:57 pm
In Alabama they say "Thank god for Mississippi". In India we say "Thank god for Pakistan". We're not the worst. We're second-worst!

Don't forget Louisiana. The three of them compete fpr the last spot among the 50. Then we have Texas, waiting in the wings, as are Arkansas and Oklahoma. ;)

Anish
Feb 15, 12, 8:33 pm
Honestly, I don't think comparing ourselves to Pakistan makes any sense. Pakistan was never the benchmark. I was in Lahore last year and that country is on the brink of destroying itself.

hyho61
Feb 16, 12, 1:27 pm
PIA is like Kingfisher and AI rolled into one. Recently a PIA flight flew on a domestic route with 2 PIA staff in the toilets, since the flight was full.

razMJ
Feb 16, 12, 2:24 pm
With the granting of MFN status to India by Pakistan, which is due to increase trade manifold, and the state of PIA it seems from this article, it appears that one of the Indian carriers needs to start flying to Pakistan. Anyone know why there are so few flights?

I'm tempted to talk about non-airline related politics, but that's not what the thread's for.

Mr. Bean
Feb 17, 12, 5:16 pm
I agree about not comparing to Pakistan as a benchmark. While one may expect troubles given the state of affairs in PK these days, it seems that Indian carriers are determined to fail in spite of India's economic successes :confused:

razMJ
Feb 18, 12, 3:41 am
PIA aren't in the same problems as AI and IT either. PIA isn't affected by competition on many routes at all, only on its routes to the gulf does it have any competition, and weak competition on some domestic routes and ISL-MAN. Excluding the Gulf carriers taking a bite out of direct traffic (same for all airlines in Asia & Oceania really), most of their routes are operated by them only, whereas AI, IT and 9W face much more domestic and international competition.

flyer31
Feb 18, 12, 3:55 am
I agree about not comparing to Pakistan as a benchmark. While one may expect troubles given the state of affairs in PK these days, it seems that Indian carriers are determined to fail in spite of India's economic successes :confused:

+1

razMJ
Feb 18, 12, 5:23 am
I agree about not comparing to Pakistan as a benchmark. While one may expect troubles given the state of affairs in PK these days, it seems that Indian carriers are determined to fail in spite of India's economic successes :confused:

Yep, that's generally confused me.

UA Fan
Feb 19, 12, 11:00 pm
When I saw the thread title, I was wondering could AI have done to make an FTer so proud. And then I saw this, I am tempted to agree.

UA Fan
Feb 19, 12, 11:02 pm
In Alabama they say "Thank god for Mississippi". In India we say "Thank god for Pakistan". We're not the worst. We're second-worst!

lol

oliver2002
Feb 20, 12, 5:11 am
Sorry, toilet overflowing is quite common, its when the A/line check is not done correctly on the 777. The penalty box in the CO forum has quite a few stories :) The basic problem is that aircraft lavs don't flush with too much water, so a certain matter tends to deposit on the walls clogging the pipes if not cleared.

Most of the PK longhaul aircraft are leased so the owners do make sure the aircraft are maintained to ensure resale value.

UA Fan
Feb 20, 12, 10:33 pm
PIA has Star plans:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\01\12\story_12-1-2011_pg5_11

Alliance with Turkish Airlines may act as a step for PIA towards becoming member of Star Alliance

PVDtoDEL
Feb 20, 12, 11:34 pm
PIA has Star plans:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\01\12\story_12-1-2011_pg5_11

Well, that'll solve India's alliance problem, won't it?

No way in hell that GoI will let any Indian airline join *A if the precondition is that they have to make a bunch of agreements with PIA.

AI will go to SkyTeam, AA will go to OneWorld.

A2A
Feb 20, 12, 11:40 pm
in other news, the airline runs so full that on a short haul lahore karachi segment they run B747s, and they have to put two pax in the loo for the flight :P

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/livefromalounge/2012/02/20/pia-accomodates-passengers-in-the-loo/

UA Fan
Feb 21, 12, 8:16 pm
Well, that'll solve India's alliance problem, won't it?

No way in hell that GoI will let any Indian airline join *A if the precondition is that they have to make a bunch of agreements with PIA.

AI will go to SkyTeam, AA will go to OneWorld.

I doubt India will be so stubborn, if cricket matches are an indicator. When big stuff like WC are involved, GoI will even allow Pakistan to play in India.

razMJ
Feb 22, 12, 2:20 pm
Well, that'll solve India's alliance problem, won't it?

No way in hell that GoI will let any Indian airline join *A if the precondition is that they have to make a bunch of agreements with PIA.

AI will go to SkyTeam, AA will go to OneWorld.

I'm sure PIA won't have a problem with AI or 9W joining *A, I mean we're not in an Israel-Arab Nations situation and its not like airline alliances are like the UNSC!

Yaatri
Feb 22, 12, 2:32 pm
I doubt India will be so stubborn, if cricket matches are an indicator. When big stuff like WC are involved, GoI will even allow Pakistan to play in India.

With the exception of periods of hostility, India and Pakistan have played with and hosted each other since Pakistan got a test team.
Moreover, it's not playing in Indioa that's trouble some, but playing in Pakistan. Pakistan England tests are being played in the Emriates.

Keyser
Feb 23, 12, 1:13 am
in other news, the airline runs so full that on a short haul lahore karachi segment they run B747s, and they have to put two pax in the loo for the flight :P

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/livefromalounge/2012/02/20/pia-accomodates-passengers-in-the-loo/

:eek::eek:



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