SAS EuroBonus - 100% earnings are soon back

So from May 4, you will always enjoy 100% point earnings on Economy flights with SAS, Blue1 and Widerøe.
http://www.flysas.com/en/EuroBonus/offers-news/EuroBonus-improvements/?vst=true

From May 4, you will be able to reach Gold status when you have earned 50 000 Basic points or when you have taken 50 one-way trips (regardless of booking class) within your personal qualification period. This is better for most of our members and it harmonizes the point requirements for Gold status between countries.

Note: Earnings are also adjusted, some down, some up. See chart: http://j9660.cloudapp.net/images/image1.jpg

YES!! The 100% earning is finally back!! Great news!^^^

The Gold qualifying requirement could be argued to devalue the gold value for us already making it today, but I appreciate the country harmonization.

They're making it more difficult to become gold without announcing
any additional benefits.

And no new official level for EBP.

They're making it more difficult to become gold without announcing
any additional benefits.

And no new official level for EBP.

That depends heavily on your flying patern. If you flew within Scandinavia on what was 100% => 200% earning then yes. Or if you relied purely on the 40 legs, also yes. But otherwise I would say it is getting easier, and in most cases easier.

I don't know, I kind of like the fact that Pandion is a bit of a mystery.

It will be interesting to see if 100% mileage earning for SK flights once again becomes the standard for most fares credited to SK's Star Alliance partner programs. If not, then I'll probably end up crediting a lot more flights to SK's program and may even end up with an SK*G status amongst my other *G accounts.

I anticipate some SK lounges are going to end up far more packed more often than is already the case.

I for one will start flying to BKK with SK more often now :)

This is very good news for the EB members :-)

Regards to more difficult I would say no in general. If you are doing a lot of cheap economy which today are 25% and you have to do 40 segments. Then there is a lot of points from 205-400 per segment to the new minimum 1000 points per segment. So if you are doing 40 segments of intra EU this is alone 40.000 point. Then with a current 25% EBG bonus your are set for the 50.000 point limit.

Correct if it is only Scandinavia the change form 150 -> 500 points will not help in 40 segments.

/HerrO

They're making it more difficult to become gold without announcing
any additional benefits.

And no new official level for EBP.

Maybe EBP are coming in the news next time:

We’ll have more to tell you at the end of March

These changes apply initially to the SAS Group, i.e. SAS, Blue 1 and Widerøe. At the end of March, we will have more news about changes to the EuroBonus program as well as how these changes will affect you as a member.

/HerrO

So what has changed for customers bringing money to SK?
100% on eco? Why should I care, this is less than 5% of my trips.
50 segments or 50000 points for EBG? Why should I care if I'm crediting 200k per annum to SK and still gold with others?

Let me see what has changed...
Probably, now the lounges will be more crowded. Congratulations, SAS!

I wonder whether this will have any effect on earnings on other *A FFPs. I would not mind at all earning an MM SEN flying SK. SK would not loose money on this, as I have to use them anyway, and I would have a better programme (and perhaps safer miles ...).

I suspect with my pattern of only Scandinavian (and Helsinki) flights I can kiss my EBG goodbye. The good thing is that my qualification period ends 1 April and the new rules comes into effect on 4 May. At least I'll get one more year of EBG.

Very good news, certainly a move that will create loyalty away from LCCs. ^

Lets hope they have something up their sleeve for EBG bennies, right now there is nothing to be gained from being gold on EB that would rock my world.

I think this is a great improvement - I really hate the "what booking class will earn how much?" game.

True, EBG will go up from 45k to 50k - not a big deal, especially with the new earning rates. OTOH I can stop being a "eurocheat" and use my actual residence address instead of my parents' ;)

Only negative thing is the reduced earning on C ex-FI to Europe. But as my intra Europe travel is mostly in Y, only intercontinental feeders in C, it doesn't hurt so much

I can see why EBGs might be upset but as a regular economy flyer between London and Stockholm this move might convince me to increase my flights with SAS again. I've flown pretty much exclusively with BA for over 18 months now because of the following:


Free drinks
Free sandwich that's been good enough for me not to grab something in the airport
100% miles on lowest priced tickets - should hit Bronze in the current earning year
Cheaper starting ticket prices


I guess the main issue now could be redemption rates. Given that I use the miles for the same route, BA want 15000 and SAS want 30000. On the other hand SAS do seem to offer good redemption deals now and again e.g. the 50% off intra-Scandinavian deal from the last two summers.

Any guesses as to whether there will be any changes to EB Bonus points received when flying discount economy with other *A carriers?

I wonder whether this will have any effect on earnings on other *A FFPs.

Totally my guess - no changes.

Any guesses as to whether there will be any changes to EB Bonus points received when flying discount economy with other *A carriers?

Totally my guess - no changes.

Great news per se, but I just hope that this doesn't mean devaluation of the existing points (i.e. higher redemption rates and/or less points bargains). Or at least that they give as ample time to burn if they implement a change there.

Fly 4 low economy returns (with a connection) and get a free Eco Extra return anywhere within Scandinavia just sounds a little too generous to be true.

Only 80 days left ^

http://blog.herro.dk/?p=140

True, EBG will go up from 45k to 50k - not a big deal, especially with the new earning rates. OTOH I can stop being a "eurocheat" and use my actual residence address instead of my parents' ;)


Or change to a "Norway-cheat" 45.000 points/35 trips ;)
http://j9660.cloudapp.net/images/image.jpg

Fly 4 low economy returns (with a connection) and get a free Eco Extra return anywhere within Scandinavia just sounds a little too generous to be true.

Maybe they introduce fuel surcharges again for redemptions to compensate? Just a thought!

Maybe they introduce fuel surcharges again for redemptions to compensate? Just a thought!
Well that is something would be deeply devaluating the existing miles. I hope it does not go into the AY model of "free rewards" costing as much or more than revenue tickets.

Well those flying Economy flex ticket for on short EU trips, such as, BRU-ARN are not gonna gain as SAS seem to have lowered the earning threshold. What's worse is now with the Gold attainment threshold lowered from 70.000 points to 50.000 for residents in Sweden, especially those flying domestic which will earn higher points, lounges will be a zoo, even more crowded than now. Unless they introduce another level with more benefits for Gold members, this is not good news for the Elites flying Eco Flex and Business anyway.

Massive drop in SE Gold point level, lounges will be full of Swedes from now on ;)

Flying approx 50% Eco Extra and 50% normal economy nowadays, can't remember when I last got full Eco points

I find it interesting how negative people are finding the news on the SAS' facebook page.

I can have two worries, one is the burning rates. As mkgrip pointed out, it seems very generous for low economy flights. On the other hand, SAS has an awfull lot empty seats intra Scandivia. The other is the over crowding of the lounges. But SAS should be able to do the math on the most probable trends on the number of EBGs, and have set the level accordingly.

When the 40 segment rules was introduced it was to stop the drop in the number of EBGs, as more and more business travellers moved out of the premium booking classes. I did think it was too low 40, and it seems SAS now agrees.

SAS must have been looking at my EuroBonus points earning over the last few years - constantly I have been flying Lufthansa, SWISS, Austrian, Turkish Airlines, UNITED, etc. Out of 122 flights I took in 2011, I think only 3 or 4 were with SAS, and 2 of those were a reward. Looks like SAS will be getting more business from me going forward once these changes come in to effect ^

If SAS also improves their onboard service to a level close to that of Lufthansa and Turkish Airlines then SAS will be my number one choice to fly with going forward.

SAS must have been looking at my EuroBonus points earning over the last few years - constantly I have been flying Lufthansa, SWISS, Austrian, Turkish Airlines, UNITED, etc. Out of 122 flights I took in 2011, I think only 3 or 4 were with SAS, and 2 of those were a reward. Looks like SAS will be getting more business from me going forward once these changes come in to effect ^

If SAS also improves their onboard service to a level close to that of Lufthansa and Turkish Airlines then SAS will be my number one choice to fly with going forward.

So this change is your fault? ;)

Just out of curiosity, why credt miles on EB if only so few flights with SK metal?

I think this is a great improvement - I really hate the "what booking class will earn how much?" game.

+1 I really hate to dig out how many points I'll earn from various FFP. At least I don't have to do this with SAS for now ^.

Just out of curiosity, why credt miles on EB if only so few flights with SK metal?

Visit Scandinavia a few times a year due to family and work connections there. EuroBonus is useful for reward flights.

I wonder whether this will have any effect on earnings on other *A FFPs. I would not mind at all earning an MM SEN flying SK. SK would not loose money on this, as I have to use them anyway, and I would have a better programme (and perhaps safer miles ...).

Assuming that the reason for the change is that they've realised that, in order to save a few pennies on FFM liability, they have been driving passengers away and losing massive revenues (no food, no drink, and barely any miles = LCC offering at legacy carrier fares), hopefully yes. And let's hope it's not too little and too late to save the company!

I guess the main issue now could be redemption rates. Given that I use the miles for the same route, BA want 15000 and SAS want 30000. On the other hand SAS do seem to offer good redemption deals now and again e.g. the 50% off intra-Scandinavian deal from the last two summers.

Just as all Scandinavia to EU1 flights will be start earning the same amount of miles, redemption levels are likely to be realigned in a similar way, resulting in the same price for an award regardless of if the trip originates at STO or CPH. Today the redemption level for a STO to EU1 award is 50% more expensive than a CPH to EU1 award.

It remains to be seen whether this will mean that CPH originating awards will be raised or that STO originating awards lowered, or both realigned to a level somewhere in the middle.

It remains to be seen whether this will mean that CPH originating awards will be raised or that STO originating awards lowered, or both realigned to a level somewhere in the middle.
I would we very (pleasantly) surprised if they did not raise them. I can't help but thinking that there is a fairly huge catch to this 100% surprise. It's only a few years back since they tried to raise the upgrade prices, and I can see that happening, plus a revision of the *A awards chart and SK awards chart.

Morale: Spend some of your miles now, unless you want them all to end up like the German Mark in the 20s...

What's worse is now with the Gold attainment threshold lowered from 70.000 points to 50.000 for residents in Sweden, especially those flying domestic which will earn higher points, lounges will be a zoo, even more crowded than now.
In both the old and the new systems those flying Eco or even Eco-Extra within Scandinavia and Finland will qualify for Gold with segments before they reach the points required.
As the segments needed is now more, this will mean less Golds in the new system for the domestic flyers not more.

C-pax flying only intra-scandinavian also qualifies through segments and thus have to meet the higher threshold.

Same goes for all econ-flyers to "north-europe" (EU1 area).

So actually the bar is raised for a lot of quite frequent flyers. Maybe the lounges will be a zoo anyway, but I don't think it is because of the 100% earnings.

It is impossible to make everybody happy...but I for sure like this. Just interesting to see what else they will come up with. It reminds about the the changes BA made to their program earlier this year.
THammer

Will *alliance partners give 100% miles on all fares from then as well?
Currently most "cheap" fares only give 25% or none.. on UA

Will *alliance partners give 100% miles on all fares from then as well?
Currently most "cheap" fares only give 25% or none.. on UA

No information on changes in point return with *A partners yet. We can only hope, but it's probably highly unlikely.

Is there a real revenue difference for SAS if their customers choose another FFP? Does not it, in the end, matter just that they fly more SK metal?

No information on changes in point return with *A partners yet. We can only hope, but it's probably highly unlikely.

That is exactly what is needed to get me back on SK long haul. I really like the ORD-CPH late departure and afternoon arrival, but with the ridicules earnings on SK metal I simply couldn't justify it. And the SK *A award chart is unreal compared to the chart in america.

That is exactly what is needed to get me back on SK long haul. I really like the ORD-CPH late departure and afternoon arrival, but with the ridicules earnings on SK metal I simply couldn't justify it. And the SK *A award chart is unreal compared to the chart in america.

I don't quite understand what you mean here. Do you mean earnings from flying on SK metal and crediting to other *A FFP programs than EB, or do you mean earnings when crediting to EB?

I think this move can give SK some edge over LCC-s. In the long run also EBGs might win on perks if more pax help to improve the foundation.

I expect SK to go for less point bargains and smaller reductions to balance more points to be given out. They certainly have tested a lot of reward options during previous year, not always welcomed here, but perhaps done for purpose.

I don't quite understand what you mean here. Do you mean earnings from flying on SK metal and crediting to other *A FFP programs than EB, or do you mean earnings when crediting to EB?

Either way, flying SK metal will make a lot more sense as there is the option of crediting the flights to at least some program and earning full miles. For quite some time now, I've done what I can to minimize my use of SK metal and tried to avoid codeshare flights operated by SK because there was no reliable way to earn full miles no matter how I split a multiple airline itinerary ticketed under a single PNR.

When others book flights for me, a simple instruction to avoid SK-operated flights was the order of the day because I wasn't about to micromanage the process and increase everyone's frustration by telling them that SK is fine as long as all the SK-operated segments were booked in the following fare class codes _____. SK complicated matters too much for them to be a first choice for me even where the route network made sense for me. That's why they lost a good chunk of my business.

What happens if a EB-member has his qualifying period ending at the end of May and if he at that time has collected a number of flights somewhere between 40 and 50? Will he qualify for Gold or not?

For such a person would it matter if he reached the current 40 flight level before or after May 4?

I think this move can give SK some edge over LCC-s. In the long run also EBGs might win on perks if more pax help to improve the foundation.

I expect SK to go for less point bargains and smaller reductions to balance more points to be given out. They certainly have tested a lot of reward options during previous year, not always welcomed here, but perhaps done for purpose.

Unless they have the cash to accrue for the extra miles handed out (required by IFRIC 13) they will have to cut some benefits somewhere. :eek:

What happens if a EB-member has his qualifying period ending at the end of May and if he at that time has collected a number of flights somewhere between 40 and 50? Will he qualify for Gold or not?

For such a person would it matter if he reached the current 40 flight level before or after May 4?

As I understand it on the facebook comments it's a hard cut, so he would have to make the 40 flights before May 4th. Otherwise it will be 50 flights.

As I understand it on the facebook comments it's a hard cut, so he would have to make the 40 flights before May 4th. Otherwise it will be 50 flights.

Hm, interesting. If this is true, I think some people might miss the Gold qualification just because they are unlucky with the timing.

For me personally (forced by company travel policy to book the cheapest options), I currently normally qualify for Gold on a number of SK flights between 40 and 50 per year. With the new rules I will easily qualify on number of points instead.

But, if I would have had my qualifying period ending in May, June, July or August I am not 100% sure that I would qualify, since I would then either have to reach 50 SK flights or 50000 point counting a lot of the 25% earnings from the past year.

Luckily my qualification period ends in March. :)

Just an example: According to the the points earnings on the website, today a r/t ARN-CPH-MAD in low economy menas a total of 900 points (ARN-CPH 150 points and CPH-MAD 300 points X 2) but after 4th May you'll get 5000 points (ARN-CPH 500 points and CPH-MAD 2000 points X 2). That's an 450% increase in point earnings for low economy. Can it be right?

Just an example: According to the the points earnings on the website, today a r/t ARN-CPH-MAD in low economy menas a total of 900 points (ARN-CPH 150 points and CPH-MAD 300 points X 2) but after 4th May you'll get 5000 points (ARN-CPH 500 points and CPH-MAD 2000 points X 2). That's an 450% increase in point earnings for low economy. Can it be right?

Well, it becomes even better if you start from CPH. Under the old rules the round trip would give 2 x 300 points, where as now it will give 2 x 2000 points. That's an 567% increase.

Svantevit

One reason to give 100% earnings to other *A programs would be to entice more customers of other FFP's like NH, SQ, TG and OZ to use SK on flights to Scandinavia. If SK gave 100% earnings on OZ on the ICN-PEK-CPH route that they sell, I for one would be more likely to use SK metal. And I know quite some expats based in TYO, PEK, SHA etc. that think the same way. And they would compete better with AY in this market. But if the price goes up as a result, they would loose some non FF tourist traffic I'm sure.

You win some you loose some I guess!

One reason to give 100% earnings to other *A programs would be to entice more customers of other FFP's like NH, SQ, TG and OZ to use SK on flights to Scandinavia. If SK gave 100% earnings on OZ on the ICN-PEK-CPH route that they sell, I for one would be more likely to use SK metal. And I know quite some expats based in TYO, PEK, SHA etc. that think the same way. And they would compete better with AY in this market. But if the price goes up as a result, they would loose some non FF tourist traffic I'm sure.

You win some you loose some I guess!

I'm under the impression, that it is the FFP's that decide how many points they fork out for other *A flights.

In your case it'd be OZ deciding, which booking classes on SK earn how much in their FFP

I'm under the impression, that it is the FFP's that decide how many points they fork out for other *A flights.

In your case it'd be OZ deciding, which booking classes on SK earn how much in their FFP

I think the decision is made based on what the other FFP offers also though. Here's the *A earning chart on OZ: http://us.flyasiana.com/Global/US/en/homepage?fid=CLUB15200

Note that SK is the only carrier where you earn only 25% on a number of booking codes. I can't imagine OZ is making this decision randomly. I'm guessing that SK offers 25% on low booking code OZ flights, so OZ is doing the same for SK flights. Otherwise, it would just seem random for OZ to pick 25% earnings, just on SK flights.

I will certainly be using SK more with this change. ^

Note that SK is the only carrier where you earn only 25% on a number of booking codes. I can't imagine OZ is making this decision randomly. I'm guessing that SK offers 25% on low booking code OZ flights, so OZ is doing the same for SK flights. Otherwise, it would just seem random for OZ to pick 25% earnings, just on SK flights.

I always (wrongly?) assumed that when you credit miles to an FFP, then a certain number of kroner/eur/usd is transferred to the account of the FFP. This at least seems to be very reasonable way of managing this. If this is true, then the credit table is really negotiation between both sides: the airline and the FFP. One says how much they can pay, the other says how much they can do for the money.

But of course my imagination is not a good way to draw any conlcusions from. Perhaps someone here actually knows how this works.

Nope, the *A FFPs have a common database into which they post all transactions that concern partners customers flying their airline. At the end of the year the credits/debits are tallied and any shortfalls are settled with cold hard cash. A similar setup exists for lounge visits. That is one of the reasons they have to scan your BP and actually make any auditable record of your lounge visit.

Nope, the *A FFPs have a common database into which they post all transactions that concern partners customers flying their airline. At the end of the year the credits/debits are tallied and any shortfalls are settled with cold hard cash. A similar setup exists for lounge visits. That is one of the reasons they have to scan your BP and actually make any auditable record of your lounge visit.

Even if they do some type of yearly clearing instead of transactions for every occurence, is the assumption correct that for every flight of a certain length in class X with company Y the FFP (no matter which) gets X dollars from the airline, and then it's up to the FFP to decide the amount points they can award based on this?

Of course it is. However I know that LH for example will not give any credit for the low low regional fares.

Let me see what has changed...
Probably, now the lounges will be more crowded. Congratulations, SAS!
Most probably not. For those flying within Scandinavia&Finland or to/from Europe 1 it is actually now harder to earn Gold, so there should be fewer Golds from those.
Who it is easier to earn Gold now is those flying a few long haul flights a year in low economy, but then again by definition they only fly a few flights a year and therefore do not crowd the lounges so much.

Of course it is not so black&white as some pax are a mix between the two, but as this makes getting gold harder for the most frequent flyers (that is the most frequent out of those that don't easily qualify anyway) and therefore the most frequent lounge users, I think that should even out the effect the additional gold members from low economy long- and medium haul will bring.

Of course it is. However I know that LH for example will not give any credit for the low low regional fares.

But is the amount of dollars fixed - does every FFP (in *A, I guess outside partners has to be separate agreements) gets the same amount of $ from a similar ticket?

Hi all

Do you know if it is ok to buy a cheap economy fare (e.g. T or K) now if the flight is after 4. may to get 100% points?

The booking engine for a flight CPH-IAD at the end of may shows 25% earnings, but it might just not be updated to the new rules yet.

Or do I need to fly AND buy after 4.may?

Quite important cause 100% on the IC flight will give me EBG, 25% won't :-)

Thanks for any reply.

Gopolino

Hi all

Do you know if it is ok to buy a cheap economy fare (e.g. T or K) now if the flight is after 4. may to get 100% points?

The booking engine for a flight CPH-IAD at the end of may shows 25% earnings, but it might just not be updated to the new rules yet.

Or do I need to fly AND buy after 4.may?

Good question! I too wait for an answer. But the right answer should be "non dependent on day of purchase".

It is no firm answer, but I would be highly surprised if the date of purchase has any relevance to the new earning rules - the decisive factor has always been travel date.

SK IT has apparently not been updated yet.

Good question! I too wait for an answer. But the right answer should be "non dependent on day of purchase".

Except for promotions/ promotional periods, it would be highly unusual if ticket purchase date had any relevance to how many miles were earned.

They have also updated the chart for spending points on SAS-group flights.

http://www.sas.no/en/us/EuroBonus/offers-news/EuroBonus-improvements/

Using points flying domestic is lowered from 12000 pints to 10000 points. But flights between the Nordic counties have increased to 20 000 points. Flights to Germany and Poland also costs only 20 000 points. There are also some other changes on the chart!

There definitely should be a separate thread of the new spend amounts, as many will miss the changes.

Me hardly ever praising SK - this is clearly a marriage of reason for me - I cannot really see where the worsenings are coming? It seems that the changes are indeed for good. The earnings going up, while the spending seems rational. Actually for my patterns it even goes down. So life is good if you are based in CPH.

Economy Extra and Business longhaul awards are getting more expensive (80k/100k to USA instead of 75k/90k). But that's not unreasonably high.

That which I consider the best SK redemption values for tickets are being wiped out when I factor in availability of space using miles during desirable times of the year.

As I maintain a residence very close to CPH too, I will now increasingly have to put up with the relative inconvenience of heading to MMX when CPH is far more convenient and using miles for intra-Scandinavia trips.

... and for my trips between Sweden/Denmark and Norway, this change is not good for me.

In the aggregate, the earning increases work out better than the redemption devaluation, but this does not increase the store of value in SK points already earned -- not that I expected even a maintenance of the store of value in SK points already earned.

Interesting to note the earning-spending ratio on different parts of Europe, it looks as if they are aiming at being more succesful on LH and LX geographies.
From a Nordic-Baltic travel pattern in primarily eco-extra the changes can hardly be seen as an improvement, earning full already today but new price for award is up from 12' to 20'.

Using points flying domestic is lowered from 12000 pints to 10000 points. But flights between the Nordic counties have increased to 20 000 points. Flights to Germany and Poland also costs only 20 000 points. There are also some other changes on the chart!

66% increase in intra-Nordic redemptions. Just when I thought EB could become my primary *A FFP after LH latest enhancements and having ditched AY+ for BAEC:td:

AY+ start to look good again ex-HEL for intra-Nordic - 24k redemptions, but the earnings are km-based vs EB's mileage based.

In Finland I earn 2,5 points/€ on AY DC spending, whereas the best I can get is 1 poäng/€ for EB on DC or EC spending.

Me hardly ever praising SK - this is clearly a marriage of reason for me - I cannot really see where the worsenings are coming? It seems that the changes are indeed for good. The earnings going up, while the spending seems rational. Actually for my patterns it even goes down. So life is good if you are based in CPH.

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redemption cost from CPH goes up to just about every destination.

They have also updated the chart for spending points on SAS-group flights.

http://www.sas.no/en/us/EuroBonus/offers-news/EuroBonus-improvements/

Using points flying domestic is lowered from 12000 pints to 10000 points. But flights between the Nordic counties have increased to 20 000 points. Flights to Germany and Poland also costs only 20 000 points. There are also some other changes on the chart!

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redemption cost from CPH goes up to just about every destination.

given that for my deeply discounted economy segments (of which I do dozens a year) I was getting <300 points, the increases in redemption are minute. I slowly understand that this is targetted at ppl flying DY -- so the diso....ed economy segment :)

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redemption cost from CPH goes up to just about every destination.

Exactly! But SAS marketing department totally forget to tell that, and they are even lying up in my face:

In addition, it will be less expensive to book award flights to Germany and Poland from Scandinavia and Finland.

No. From Denmark Europe 1 (which includes Germany and Poland) will increase from 20.000 to 30.000 points in economy (+50 %), Europe 2 will increase from 30.000 to 40.000 (33 %) and Scandinavia and Baltic will increase from 12.000 to 20.000 (67 %). The latter is indicated in the marketing material but with no figures.

One change is that we will lower the point prices for all domestic award flights in Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland.


The only improvement! But I have never booked a domestic award flight.

All this means, that my bank account at Eurobonus is highly devaluated and that my earnings with LH, TK, LX etc. suddenly will be much less valued.

Well, basically I still like that the 25 % earnings will disappear, as it is more important for me to be able to maintain Gold that to spend point. But this is a major back setback.

And I don’t like SAS not been honest about this.

BRU awards up from 20 to 30K, bad news :-(

No. From Denmark Europe 1 (which includes Germany and Poland) will increase from 20.000 to 30.000 points in economy (+50 %), Europe 2 will increase from 30.000 to 40.000 (33 %) and Scandinavia and Baltic will increase from 12.000 to 20.000 (67 %). The latter is indicated in the marketing material but with no figures.


So the points price from CPH to Germany and Poland is unchanged (20 000 points), while it is increased from CPH to the rest of Europe. Rough deal for my Danish friends.

Still better than M&M, though, who charge 30 000 points for all international European flights.

On another note: Danes who want to fly to Stockholm or other destinations in Sweden will have a huge upside of flying from Malmö instead of CPH (10 000points for a domestic flights instead of 20 000 points for a flight from Denmark to Sweden).

At least they have not changed the Star Alliance first class awards... (yet?)

So the points price from CPH to Germany and Poland is unchanged (20 000 points), while it is increased from CPH to the rest of Europe. Rough deal for my Danish friends.

Still better than M&M, though, who charge 30 000 points for all international European flights.

On another note: Danes who want to fly to Stockholm or other destinations in Sweden will have a huge upside of flying from Malmö instead of CPH (10 000points for a domestic flights instead of 20 000 points for a flight from Denmark to Sweden).

Huge upside? I wouldn't call it that. To get to MMX from CPH is not that convenient. Even for most people in and around Malmo and the rest of southern Sweden, getting to CPH is easier than MMX at least if using the very good public transit facilities in the region.

Even for people in Malmo who frequently fly to visit Stockholm or those in Stockholm who fly to visit Malmo, this is not a huge upside. 12k to 10k price change for some segment of intra-Scandinavia travel has come with huge downsides: most intra-Scandinavia travel is increasing substantially in mileage price; and increased cost in time and/or money to get to/from the airport(s).

I am curious to find out if allowances for connection time on domestic tickets is going to be reduced too (i.e. killing off the sub-24 hour overnight connections in ARN/OSL/CPH/BGO/SVG/HEL) for this segment of intra-Scandinavia travel. I fancy long connections with comfortable overnight possibilities on mileage tickets. And on international tickets, 24 hours is the general limit for a connection not resulting in additional fare being due; on domestic tickets, sometimes permitted maximum connection time is as little as 4-6 hours. How is it with SAS?

So the points price from CPH to Germany and Poland is unchanged (20 000 points), while it is increased from CPH to the rest of Europe. Rough deal for my Danish friends.



Ok, you (and SAS) are right. Germany and Poland is unchanged from DK.

But the new spending-map is very misleading in this aspect. The headline reads: "Nordics to/from EU1: 30 000 points r/t" and is placed above a map, where the Nordics and the Baltic is grey and a big chunk of Europe including Germany and Poland is green.

You have to read on another map, where the new term Nordic+ is introduced.

On may 7th I will be flying FRA-CPH and on the next day CPH-BRU both in U class.

If I post these miles to M&M I get 125 miles on each flight.
In EB I get 1000 for each or am I making a mistake.

On may 7th I will be flying FRA-CPH and on the next day CPH-BRU both in U class.

If I post these miles to M&M I get 125 miles on each flight.
In EB I get 1000 for each or am I making a mistake.


You are correct, providing that SK is operating carrier.

From a Nordic-Baltic travel pattern in primarily eco-extra the changes can hardly be seen as an improvement, earning full already today but new price for award is up from 12' to 20'.

That is a disappointment. However I started to think, that maybe more 25-50% route focused bargains will come. Heard one retailer recently saying that discounts sell well, no matter what is the product.

Hi guys. Got this e-mail from Eurobonus today, 2th of April. Didn't find any other thread about the same.

" Fra 4. mai fornyer vi poengstrukturen i EuroBonus.
Det betyr bl.a. at du opptjener minst 3 ganger flere poeng på våre billigste billetter.

Vi justerer også poengprisen på reiser i og utenfor Skandinavia.
"

Basically what it says is that for us that fly eco tickets, we will get 100% points instead of 25%, 50%, 75% ect.

Hopefully other airliners will follow:-)

*EDIT*
Source:
http://www.sas.no/EuroBonus/Tilbud-og-nyheter/EuroBonus-forbedringer/?WT.mc_id=NOEMtraffic

Really? :rolleyes:

This is old news: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/sas-eurobonus/1313380-100-earnings-soon-back.html

Really? :rolleyes:

This is old news: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/sas-eurobonus/1313380-100-earnings-soon-back.html

Oops! Sorry that I didnt scroll back 10 months !:D

Oops! Sorry that I didnt scroll back 10 months !:D

2½ months!

Not only is 100% back on SK/WF/KF, but also on UA and US from May 1:

http://www.flysas.com/en/hk/EuroBonus/Earn-points/airlines/United/

Not only is 100% back on SK/WF/KF, but also on UA and US from May 1:

http://www.flysas.com/en/hk/EuroBonus/Earn-points/airlines/United/

That is great, but the *A award chart is still out of this world, so I will not be crediting SK. With 100% SK earnings on UA flight, perhaps we will also get 100% UA earnings on SK flights. That would be nice.

Edit to add: Yes, SK flights now earn 100% with UA (http://united.com/CMS/en-US/marketing/custcomm/promotions/Pages/AirlinePartnerDetails.aspx?ItemId=317). What a pleasant surprise. Now I will start booking ORD-CPH again. SK long haul no longer on my black list.

Not only is 100% back on SK/WF/KF, but also on UA and US from May 1:

http://www.flysas.com/en/hk/EuroBonus/Earn-points/airlines/United/

That's quite interesting UA chart now I think. Alle Eco classes are 100% earninger, and they have moved Z class from 100% to 200%. Y,B get 150% earnings.

Suddenly UA earnings are rather competitive on EB. Since M&M is degrading Z earnings on LH, I would expect EB to follow suit later. Then UA Z is a better proposition across the atlantic (if you are willing to experience UA food/ service ;)

For me, this is great news and it probably means I'll re-focus on remaining EBG instead of shifting my *G status to OZ. All my domestic flights within the US are on either UA or US, and I typically am booked in what used to be only 25% earnings.

Now sitting 5 hours on a cross-country flight is going to be a bit better with 100% earnings!

Here is the final earning-chart.

http://www.flysas.com/en/EuroBonus/Earn-points/airlines/SAS-Group/SAS/Chart/

What surprises me, is that you earn a different amount of points flying from CPH, ARN and OSL to EWR. If you fly to ORD from ARN and CPH the amount is the same.

I suppose it is the actual miles flown, but this give me a new incentive not to fly through Oslo besides all the luggage hassle.

What surprises me, is that you earn a different amount of points flying from CPH, ARN and OSL to EWR. If you fly to ORD from ARN and CPH the amount is the same.

That's because the ARN/CPH-ORD distances are almost identical:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ARN-ORD-CPH

The ARN bonus on TATL longhaul is gone... sniff... this used to be great as EBG...^

I still love the 100%, and tha UA earnings is also 100%, this year I might even make it to EBG with the new rules

HIP HIP HURRAH - Today is the first day of 100% earnings with SK :-)

This is worth celebrating - so I am making me a lunch G&T :-)

/HerrO

100 % earnings is definitely a big improvement, men everything is not quite as good, as SAS has tried to tell us for the last two months.

100 % earnings in the Nordics/Baltics are down from 600 to 500 point. And from Denmark to Europe it is down from 2400/1200 to 1500/1000, though it has increased from Norway/Sweden/Finland.

And Paris and Lyon have moved from Europe 2 to Europe 1.

100 % earnings is definitely a big improvement, men everything is not quite as good, as SAS has tried to tell us for the last two months.

100 % earnings in the Nordics/Baltics are down from 600 to 500 point. And from Denmark to Europe it is down from 2400/1200 to 1500/1000, though it has increased from Norway/Sweden/Finland.

And Paris and Lyon have moved from Europe 2 to Europe 1.

I agree, there are some drawbacks. But everything considered, I think the changes are a lot more positive then negative.

So as HerrO says, HIP HIP HURRAH!!! Or as we say here in the south of Norway: Hallelujah, amen

And from Denmark to Europe it is down from 2400/1200 to 1500/1000, though it has increased from Norway/Sweden/Finland.



How do you figure that?

Earnings from Denmark to Europe used to be 800/1200 in High Economy and 200/300 in Low Economy. It is now 1000/1500/2000, which means an increase on all routes and in all booking classes.

It is earnings from Norway/Sweden/Finland to Europe that has decreased. It used to be 1200/1800 in High Economy and 300/450 in Low Economy, and is now 1000/1500/2000. Which means a decrease on some routes in the higher booking classes.

www.flysas.com/en/EuroBonus/Earn-points/airlines/SAS-Group/SAS/Chart/

Does L class
On SAS get 100% miles on United now? Just asking since a search for ARN-LHR shows only 25% mileage plus credit....

Does L class
On SAS get 100% miles on United now? Just asking since a search for ARN-LHR shows only 25% mileage plus credit....

L class on SK credited to United MP is 100% (http://united.com/CMS/en-US/marketing/custcomm/promotions/Pages/AirlinePartnerDetails.aspx?ItemId=317)

Does L class
On SAS get 100% miles on United now? Just asking since a search for ARN-LHR shows only 25% mileage plus credit....

Yes, and it is why I will once again use SK for flights way more than I have been doing for quite some time.

For short-haul flights in economy class, SK still has a way to go to catch up with BA, but at least the mileage gap is being narrowed.

Great stuff. Indeed makes SAS much more appealing.

I wonder if also OV earnings will be now 100%, or at least SK codeshares on OV.

I wonder if also OV earnings will be now 100%, or at least SK codeshares on OV.

No.

http://www.flysas.com/en/EuroBonus/Earn-points/airlines/

http://estonian-air.ee/en/loyalty-programme/collecting-eurobonus-points/

No.

http://www.flysas.com/en/EuroBonus/Earn-points/airlines/

http://estonian-air.ee/en/loyalty-programme/collecting-eurobonus-points/

Estonian Air link seems to suggest that new earnings will affect OV flights as well? Eurobonus information could be outdated.

Anyone has recently flow with OV can confirm earnings?

I flew OV last Monday, CPH TLL, booked as SK L class flight, posted as 600 EB points and OV L class (+25% EBG = 750 points). OV L class has always earned 100%, so it seems I earned according to the old rates.

The OV homepage has been updated compared to a few weeks ago,
As most tickets with OV already before gave full economy earnings the change is not an improvement, at least not on CPH and ARN flights to Tallinn, earning is down from 600 to 500. However Riga and Vilnius earnings from Tallinn are increased so maybe evens out.

I will have four OV flights next week, so will keep you updated,

The Aegean Miles&Bonus description of earnings has not changed. Has anyone tried crediting a cheap economy flight to them after the new earning scheme? I would be very interested in knowing the result.

The OV homepage has been updated compared to a few weeks ago,
As most tickets with OV already before gave full economy earnings the change is not an improvement, at least not on CPH and ARN flights to Tallinn, earning is down from 600 to 500. However Riga and Vilnius earnings from Tallinn are increased so maybe evens out.

I will have four OV flights next week, so will keep you updated,

Had already a couple of flights in May ARN-TLL in T and earned 195 points (150+25% for EBG). Still don't know what is better, because it's quite easy to get 100% earning with OV and then you'll get 750 :confused:

Had already a couple of flights in May ARN-TLL in T and earned 195 points (150+25% for EBG). Still don't know what is better, because it's quite easy to get 100% earning with OV and then you'll get 750 :confused:

Weird, because on the Estonian site return earnings

Flights to/from Tallinn Eco Flex Eco Business
Tartu 1 000 1 500 -

Helsinki, Joensuu, Jyväskylä,
Kajaani, Copenhagen, Oslo, Stockholm,
Riga, Trondheim, Vilnius 1 000 1 500 2 000

According to this, minimum oneway should be 500 - not bad for 85 km HEL-TLL :)

Flew RIX-TLL-HEL and return a few days ago. Inbound segments have posted: HEL-TLL 600 pts (L class), TLL-RIX 300 pts (L class). Do not see any logic in this, besides the website seems to suggest 500 pts per segment.

Really curious to see my earnings for the outbound segments :confused:

The Aegean Miles&Bonus description of earnings has not changed. Has anyone tried crediting a cheap economy flight to them after the new earning scheme? I would be very interested in knowing the result.

I did not try and I would not recommend to do so. I assume that crediting SAS-operated flights to Aegan still earns nothing in the low economy classes until they update their chart. I am wondering if it is worth sending an email to SAS to inquire about this, I'd be ready to fly SAS much more often if I'd get the full miles on all tickets again (independent on where I credit to), but I guess it will just be a waste of time.

I did not try and I would not recommend to do so. I assume that crediting SAS-operated flights to Aegan still earns nothing in the low economy classes until they update their chart. I am wondering if it is worth sending an email to SAS to inquire about this, I'd be ready to fly SAS much more often if I'd get the full miles on all tickets again (independent on where I credit to), but I guess it will just be a waste of time.

I guess you should contact TK - they are the ones that decide about their own FFP...

I guess you should contact TK - they are the ones that decide about their own FFP...

Better yet, contact A3, as it is their program :D:D (Miles&Bonus)

Over at the A3 thread there is quite some talk about fare classes, and even for A3 the general rule is that if the fare class is not listed, it does not earn. Regardless if it earns a gaziljon miles on all other programs...

Better yet, contact A3, as it is their program :D:D (Miles&Bonus)

Over at the A3 thread there is quite some talk about fare classes, and even for A3 the general rule is that if the fare class is not listed, it does not earn. Regardless if it earns a gaziljon miles on all other programs...

Doh, Miles & whatever :D

But the messages is the same - why should and could SK care how another airline's FFP issues mileage??

Flew RIX-TLL-HEL and return a few days ago. Inbound segments have posted: HEL-TLL 600 pts (L class), TLL-RIX 300 pts (L class). Do not see any logic in this, besides the website seems to suggest 500 pts per segment.

Really curious to see my earnings for the outbound segments :confused:

I´m interested to hear how it turns out for you.

I´ve booked CPH-TLL-RIX on Estonian for a return trip in August, and according to the new points earnings table I should make 4000 points. Not bad at all , considering the ticket cost me only 102€ :).

Edited to add :

I just realized that the earnings table lists return earnings !!!So total earning from this trip will be 2000 points . (would have known if I had read this thread more carefully !)

My SAS international flights which, according to UA's charts, should now earn miles (on fare codes that would not have credited last month according to the charts then applicable) are not showing up in my UA account.

Something is broken and it may have to do with whether or not SK is pushing the right data over or not.

Doh, Miles & whatever :D

But the messages is the same - why should and could SK care how another airline's FFP issues mileage??

A3 credits exactly what the operating airline grants them. That is why all request for crediting are run past the operating airline who decides if and how many miles are credited. That means whenever an airline changes e.g. miles eligible classes A3 will implement the new policy, which the user sees as an updated earning chart on the A3 webpage. Hence I understand it is up to the operating carrier to tell A3 how much (miles, money) they get for flights in each class.

A3 credits exactly what the operating airline grants them. That is why all request for crediting are run past the operating airline who decides if and how many miles are credited. That means whenever an airline changes e.g. miles eligible classes A3 will implement the new policy, which the user sees as an updated earning chart on the A3 webpage. Hence I understand it is up to the operating carrier to tell A3 how much (miles, money) they get for flights in each class.

Are you quite sure about it? I'd say it's the FFP airline that decides how much they credit on each airlin/booking class. This assumption is supported by the fact that booking class "whatever" on airline A might give you totally different mileages in different FFPs.

The operating airlines would of course confirm, that the flight was actually flown in the given booking class and not credited to any other FFP. (though not always - I'll sorely miss BD DC double crediting longhaul LH/OS flights with M&M :D)

This is all assumption from my part, without any actual inside information.

I flew OV last Monday, CPH TLL, booked as SK L class flight, posted as 600 EB points and OV L class (+25% EBG = 750 points). OV L class has always earned 100%, so it seems I earned according to the old rates.

It looks like I got a 25% earning on this flight myself:

21 May 2012 Tallinn - CopenhagenOV 0141 T Economy Discounted**
Basic Points 195 195
10 May 2012 Copenhagen - TallinnOV 0142 K Economy Class**
Basic Points 750 750

This was part of an itinerary starting from IAD on SK. Did they make an error in giving me only 195 points for the May 21 flight?

My SAS international flights which, according to UA's charts, should now earn miles (on fare codes that would not have credited last month according to the charts then applicable) are not showing up in my UA account.

Something is broken and it may have to do with whether or not SK is pushing the right data over or not.

UA is a mess, but SK might not yet process the new FF numbers. South African is not crediting to UA currently. Sabena and ANA are working properly. UA is not even processing some of their own flights properly, for example if you upgrade C to F it credits like economy.

You should at least have gotten 25% on SK. There aren't any flights that give zero. My favorite from ca. year 2000 is when I got 17 miles credited to my UA account for taking the SAS hydrofoil from CPH to Malmo. Still the only time I have recvd FF points for a boat ride.

UA is a mess, but SK might not yet process the new FF numbers. South African is not crediting to UA currently. Sabena and ANA are working properly. UA is not even processing some of their own flights properly, for example if you upgrade C to F it credits like economy.


At least the other direction seems to be working properly. I flew domestic UA last week in W (which I believe used to earn 25%) and it credited 100% to my EB account this week.

It looks like I got a 25% earning on this flight myself:

21 May 2012 Tallinn - CopenhagenOV 0141 T Economy Discounted**
Basic Points 195 195
10 May 2012 Copenhagen - TallinnOV 0142 K Economy Class**
Basic Points 750 750

This was part of an itinerary starting from IAD on SK. Did they make an error in giving me only 195 points for the May 21 flight?

It is the old earning scheme, based on 600 points per flight before bonus/malus. I think they have updated it a few days ago only for OV.

What about ANA? The chart is vague, just like UA's. But eco flights are "min. 300" for Y to S class, so I guess these flights earn 100% on SK? Probably not a good idea to credit to SK since I get 100% mileage bonus on UA.

I notice that LH still requires V and above unless they haven't updated the website. The geniuses even put U class in both 25% miles and the 100% miles categories. :rolleyes:
http://www.flysas.com/en/us/EuroBonus/Earn-points/airlines/Lufthansa/

It would be much better if they put % miles earned rather than (or in addition to) minimums!

It is the old earning scheme, based on 600 points per flight before bonus/malus. I think they have updated it a few days ago only for OV.
Yes, website they updated, but my last earnings are:
29 May 2012 Stockholm - TallinnOV 0122 T Economy Discounted**
Basic Points 195 195
29 May 2012 Tallinn - StockholmOV 0125 T Economy Discounted**
Basic Points 195 195
Seems that I'm loosing points...

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Good news! From June 1, 2012, you will earn 100% on all tickets in Economy on Estonian Air, same as on SAS, Blue1 and Wideroe.

re the new redemption prices, AMS-CPH cost 30k while MUC-LYR cost only 20k :)

PL Scandi and DE Scandi are cheap because SK wants their travellers to use SK EB rather than LH/LO M&M. and it is pretty closeby, such as HAM CPH or GDN CPH.

PL Scandi and DE Scandi are cheap because SK wants their travellers to use SK EB rather than LH/LO M&M. and it is pretty closeby, such as HAM CPH or GDN CPH.

And they have succeed with me entirely. I feel no urge to look back at MM ...

If they would also make OV segments count in qualification as the SK/KF ones do... And would be nice to get the seat assignments while booking on OV back again as well.