CommunityBuzz! - WineDo 5 - NYC Sunday June 3, 2012 post BRT

5th annual WineDo. There's room for 4 additional people.

Sunday June 3, 2012 at 7:00 (1900).

Cost will be about $82.

Place: North Square

Address: TBD

Here's the link to WineDo4 ... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/communitybuzz/1206422-winedo-4-sunday-june-5-2011-nyc-tribeca-post-brt.html
The menu can be read at post 154.



Some notes from WineDo 3. Take a look/see so you can get in the mood. WineDo 3 - Sunday June 13, 2010 New York City - Greenwich Village

While the linked thread may look to some that we're bragging about what we own , the WineDo is open to everyone. The only qualification is that you have to bring a bottle of (drinkable) wine. Estimated cost of dinner is $80, which includes tax and tip. The majority of wine last year ranged anywhere from $25 - $200 bottle. Everyone stepped up. This dinner is a great way to taste and discuss wine, in addition to miles, points, and etc.

24 Flyertalkers attended last year... and we had 38 bottles.

For WineDo 5, You're expected to bring a wine that cost a minimum of $35, and a maximum of whatever you like. This is our first price increase. If you'd like to bring something experimental, it will have to be in addition to the minimum cost wine. After some previous discussion, this seemed to be the best solution. Also, several people talked about stepping up. That's fine. But rather than sit all the fancy wine people together :p, dinner will still sort of be open seating.

We drank some great juice last year. I don't know how we can possibly top it. Flyertalkers never disappoint. If you're not a drinker, you're still invited. They sell beer and other beverages.

Our distinguised wine panel mjm and cordelli, will coordinate what's drinkable. Last year we enjoyed multiple bottles of red and white wine. We could use a nice champagne to start.

Can you join us?

So far: 20

dhammer Anderson Conn Valley 02 Eloge
Luvtworce +2 2008 Patit Creek Semillon Ice Wine from Walla Walla + Champagne Bertrand Senecourt Beau Joie Brut special edition
EastBay A Donkey and Goat 2006 Vieilles Vignes, 2006 Mendocino Syrah. Unfiltered
SFOTerry 1989 Paul Jaboulet Aîné Hermitage La Chapelle
SFOMo 1999 Ridge Syrah Lytton Estate (ATP)
HPN-HRL Madroña 2006 Cabernet Sauvignon Black Label
KathyWdrf 2007 Prager Riesling Smaragd Hollerin(possibility).
violist Cheval Blanc - payment has been arranged.

ldsant <<< can't make it

DLroads - can't make it, but is sending wine. ^ Bruno Paillard Champagne Premier Cuvee - Reims France + a 03 H'amara (sp?) The Cave from Israel.
Calcifer + 1 ;) 2007 Weingut Willi Bründlmayer Brut + Domaine du Closel Savennieres Clos Du Papillon 2007
Monitor Henry of Pelham Speck Family Reserve Pinot Noir 2007
Franny Riesling Icewine from Henry of Pelham
austin_res 09 Antica Chardonnay from Napa Valley
cordelli +1 Anderson Conn Valley 07 Eloge+ 2006 Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape Blanc
El_Chiflero 08 Domaine Monpertuis Châteauneuf-du-Pape E.A.R.L Vignettes Paul Jeune
jackal
mnmag

BOLD - PAID.


We're going to raise the stakes for WineDo 5. Dinner will be wine themed, just like they do on the wine boards. Most themed dinners still have a starter champagne and white, not to mention an after dinner sweet wine. If you know what you're going to bring, please post to the thread.

Please note, the affordable lunch or dinner is planned for Saturday on the Brooklyn Reality Tour. We get to experience coach and first class on the same weekend. :cool:

Place saver.

Thanks Dan
The girls and I are looking forward to another fun evening. Jane

Please add SFOMo and me to the list. ^

Not sure what we'll bring, but it will likely be red and dry.

Count me in!

Obviously, I can't miss this either!!! :cool:

In. Yes!

Tentatively in. I would be bringing a bottle of red from Artesa. BTW - BevMo! is having their 5 cent sale right now for those who may be interested.

For WineDo 5, You're expected to bring a wine that cost a minimum of $35, and a maximum of whatever you like.


Just a reminder.

I'd rather not get into conversations we've had in past threads, where we discussed price/quality issues on wine. WineDo 5 is trying to make sure that all attendees will drink well. That's the bottom line. Hopefully, the percentages will work in our favor; and if they don't, there's always WineDo 6 to tweak it. ;)

In. Yes!

Good. I need to clear my cellar of your wine. ;)
violist is bringing a Cheval Blanc. ^

I am probably going to bring an old vines unfiltered Mendocino Syrah - 245 cases made. Not 100% sure yet, and not sure if and what the "bonus bottle" will be - if there is one, it will probably be an "unusual" white (but not in the "scary unusual" manner) :D

I am probably going to bring an old vines unfiltered Mendocino Syrah - 245 cases made.

I love the fact that there are low production wines in the $35 category. My 2 favorites are Bedrock and Carlisle.

there's always WineDo 6 to tweak it. ;)

Where do I sign up for WineDo 6? ;)

Please hold two spots for Mr. and Mrs. Calcifer. :cool:

Sadly, it's a (cough) big college reunion that weekend and I'm committed to that.

As with the last few, WineDo 5 sounds like a winner already. ^

I'm in.

My first WineDo - so I'm excited, but a bit anxious.

I'm thinking of Dehlinger Chardonnay if a white. Or a bottle
of reserve Bethel Heights or William-Selyem Pinot Noir if a red.

But I'm really flexible and can change it if we're too chardonnay/pinot heavy.

(I'm visiting Willamette Valley and Santa Barbara before WineDo V, in case there's something there that folks are clamoring for).

I'm in.

My first WineDo - so I'm excited, but a bit anxious.

I'm thinking of Dehlinger Chardonnay if a white. Or a bottle
of reserve Bethel Heights or William-Selyem Pinot Noir if a red.

But I'm really flexible and can change it if we're too chardonnay/pinot heavy.

(I'm visiting Willamette Valley and Santa Barbara before WineDo V, in case there's something there that folks are clamoring for).

Don't be anxious. I've been to two, and it is a low key crowd with various levels of faux wine snobbery and expertise. :D Anything from Dehlinger would be well-received.

Don't be anxious. I've been to two, and it is a low key crowd with various levels of faux wine snobbery and expertise. :D Anything from Dehlinger would be well-received.

:-) Thanks. I was more anxious about the crowd and the venue and not knowing anybody versus my wine expertise. But good to know that Dehlinger is at least par for the course.

William-Selyem Pinot Noir if a red.


Good juice. ^

it is a low key crowd with various levels of faux wine snobbery and expertise. :D

Snobbery? :confused: Speak for yourself. :p

aacharya, the marriage of miles and points + wine = heaven. :cool:

:-) Thanks. I was more anxious about the crowd and the venue and not knowing anybody versus my wine expertise. But good to know that Dehlinger is at least par for the course.

I'm in for my first Wine Do, but I am anxious about the crowd.

I don't really know anything about wine, other than that I like drinking it. But one of my New Year's Resolutions was to learn and develop a more sophisticated palate, so this seems like a relatively non-threatening way to start. I'll need some advice on what to bring, otherwise I'll be randomly selecting a bottle in the $50 to $100 price range. Not my usual range as somehow I've never outgrown my college habit of drinking Two Buck Chuck or whatever is on sale.

I'm in for my first Wine Do, but I am anxious about the crowd.

I don't really know anything about wine, other than that I like drinking it. But one of my New Year's Resolutions was to learn and develop a more sophisticated palate, so this seems like a relatively non-threatening way to start. I'll need some advice on what to bring, otherwise I'll be randomly selecting a bottle in the $50 to $100 price range. Not my usual range as somehow I've never outgrown my college habit of drinking Two Buck Chuck or whatever is on sale.

I happened to be sitting at a table with some Canuck from the plains last year. ;) He had a wine palate as sophisticated as you might expect for someone who lives in a mix of oil and amber waves of grain. :D He had a fantastic time. ^ I drink a fair amount of wine - but sometimes my description of the wines I drink can be "mmm, that was yummy," or "icky, that tasted icky. Ewwww." So there's my sophistication for you.

Honestly, I wouldn't keep returning to Wine Do if it was anything different than a comfortable way to hang out with a bunch of folks and try 30-something bottles of wine. If you like drinking wine, and can tolerate a bunch of FTers for the length of a decent meal :D it is a great thing to attend.

ps - you should be a lot more concerned with your UA 2P status than your knowledge of wine :D :D :D

Save two spots for us. I think that I liked everything that I tasted last year.

We are likely to bring some of what we found on last summer's trip to Niagara but that is still TBD.

I'm in


Welcome aboard. :cool: The OP has a link to the WineDo thread from last year. It's good background info. FYI, I've been known to source from my cellar, a, I mean basement. ;) We have time to talk.

Bob, I listed you and Franny. I can't imagine how you'll top last years wine. ^

I'd like to join. I need a good reason to go to NYC ;)

I'll need to find a place in NYC to purchase wine as I cannot bring wine past airport security and I don't feel comfortable placing glass bottles in checked luggage.

...I don't feel comfortable placing glass bottles in checked luggage.If you have something that you would like to bring (maybe something neat that you found at Specs), check such as amazon.com for "wine pillow" or ask at your neighborhood store for the $2-3 disposable air chamber wine wrappers. :)

For any of you not wanting to bring more than a carry on, I suggest looking a some of the California wine shops that ship and have your wine meet you in NY. I am sure there is a local attendee or two that would help with an address.

NY wine prices are rather ridiculous and the selection is paltry in many cases. If you have time after arrival to go hunt for wine that is great, otherwise you may consider separate itineraries for you and your wine. ;-)

If you are OK checking a bag, or in this case a small box, you can go into almost any wine store, and I believe any UPS/FedEx store and get a styrofoam shipper. This is premolded styrofoam container which is encased in a standard cardboard box. I have traveled thousands and thousands of miles with these and they are beyond a doubt the best shipping option. And once in NY you chuck it in the bin and are less bogged down on your return trip.

Good luck,

Mike

For any of you not wanting to bring more than a carry on, I suggest looking a some of the California wine shops that ship and have your wine meet you in NY. I am sure there is a local attendee or two that would help with an address.


Good suggestion. NY is a state where we can ship wine, and most wineries here will ship 2 bottles for not much $. Many better wine stores also have shipping as a major part of their business.

Now for the caveat - a lot of wineries WILL NOT SHIP in extreme weather situations - it may be nice and warm outside to you, but the inside of that UPS truck might be boiling your wine. So, while the Wine Do will probably not be affected by this, you should still plan on shipping by early May if you decide to take this route.

For my final morning thought, for the totally clueless of what to bring, if you find anything imported by Kermit Lynch or North Berkeley Imports at the price point of this event, you will probably bring something that will be enjoyed by at least 90% of the attendees. (North Berkeley ships - I have no connection with them - they are just good and educated folks nearby home and have an interesting collection of French and Italian wines in a myriad of price points.)

Good juice. ^



Snobbery? :confused: Speak for yourself. :p

aacharya, the marriage of miles and points + wine = heaven. :cool:

Now I am excited!

EastBay1K - I hope to meet you as well. I was EastBay once. Not a 1K, more of the college flyer on the old NW transcons out of OAK back home.

Can you join us?

So far:

dhammer +1
Luvtworce +2
EastBay
SFOTerry
SFOMo
HPN-HRL
KathyWdrf
violist
ldsant
DLroads
Calcifer + 1 ;)
aacharya
WanderLuster
Monitor
Franny
austin_res
cordelli +1



I'd like to max out at ~24. This keeps the crowd friendly.

I'd like to join. I need a good reason to go to NYC ;)

I'll need to find a place in NYC to purchase wine as I cannot bring wine past airport security and I don't feel comfortable placing glass bottles in checked luggage.

I do it all the time. Wine shipper boxes. Or even a new invention I just bought - the wine crate. Padded rollerbag that fits a wine shipper.

Better get my name on the list before it fills up. Me plus one please.

For wine in checked luggage, I head to Home Depot, buy a length of 4 inch drain pipe, cut it into 13 inch or so lengths (if you don't have saw at home, head over to the molding section and use their miter boxes) and slip the bottles in there. The PVC pipe will keep it safe.

If anybody wants to ship to the area, I have a UPS store account in New York I use for all my wine deliveries you are free to use. Only from wineries or other merchants who can legally ship to New York, no personal shipments. PM me if you need the address.

Better get my name on the list before it fills up. Me plus one please.


I was saving 2 seats for one of the Founders of this event. ;)
I heard my 02 ACV Eloge is drinking well. We'll see. Decisions Decisions.

dh

Better get my name on the list before it fills up. Me plus one please.

For wine in checked luggage, I head to Home Depot, buy a length of 4 inch drain pipe, cut it into 13 inch or so lengths (if you don't have saw at home, head over to the molding section and use their miter boxes) and slip the bottles in there. The PVC pipe will keep it safe.

If anybody wants to ship to the area, I have a UPS store account in New York I use for all my wine deliveries you are free to use. Only from wineries or other merchants who can legally ship to New York, no personal shipments. PM me if you need the address.

What a fantastic idea. A shame I already have 10+ shippers in my attic for that use.

Oh, if anyone has an extra luggage tag, I'd love to buy it at the DO.

And if someone needs wine picked up from Santa Barbara or Portland - I'm visiting both wine regions before the DO.

So I am going to bring a Champagne Bertrand Senecourt Beau Joie Brut special edition. Long title, how it lives up to its look:)

So I am going to bring a Champagne Bertrand Senecourt Beau Joie Brut special edition. Long title, how it lives up to its look:)

Now that is what I call stepping up with a decent bottle. Two thumbs up!

Mike

So I am going to bring a Champagne Bertrand Senecourt Beau Joie Brut special edition. Long title, how it lives up to its look:)

If it does not, I promise never to drink it again, in protest! :D

I'm thinking a couple of Parker Rated 98's since we're getting all fancy. While I am not into his ratings at all, it just so happens that two of the wines I have had the pleasure of having recently both got high praise from him.

A white, and a Red.

2006 Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape Blanc
On the advice of one of the vendors we sometimes buy from we picked up some of this. Not knowing much about it other than what he recommended, all the ratings had not come out for it yet.

98 points Robert Parker "The limited cuvee of 100% old vine Roussanne (50% vinified in barrel and 50% in tank), the 2006 Chateauneuf du Pape blanc Vieilles Vignes is an extraordinary wine. Since the debut vintage in 1986, I have been unable to figure out how to predict this cuvee’s aging potential, but I tend to agree with most sommeliers who feel this wine needs to be drunk in its first 4-6 years of life, then not touched again until age 12-15. It is so amazing, I usually drink it as quickly as I can get my hands on a few bottles. The sensational 2006 possesses a wonderful honeysuckle note interwoven with marmalade, tropical fruit, peaches, and buttery pastry characteristics, and zesty acidity despite a thick, full-bodied, rich texture. It is difficult to find a better white Chateauneuf du Pape than Beaucastel. Extraordinarily rich and honeyed, it is ideal for drinking with intensely flavored culinary dishes."

We popped a bottle the week before the do last year and it was quite good (I actually had to go back in the thread to see if it was for the do). We brought a bottle to dinner a few weeks ago with friends and it was just crazy good, so much they went out to try and buy some, but the price had significantly increased so they had to pass. Though they are more than willing to invite themselves over to get another one of ours. If I was to list the top four or five whites I've ever had, this would certainly make the list.

For the Red

2007 Anderson's Conn Valley Vineyards Éloge (which if Dan brings the 2002 may make for a nice comparison)

It's probably no secret I love Todd's wines, and this one is no exception. While it's got decades of potential, the last time I had it it was drinking quite well. Who knows, maybe at WineDo 25 in 2032 I'll pop another bottle.

98 points Robert Parker - "The 2007 Eloge is a profoundly complex, extraordinary wine that is showing better out of bottle than it ever did from barrel. The final blend of 65% Cabernet Sauvignon, 25% Cabernet Franc and the rest Petit Verdot and Merlot reveals an inky/purple color as well as a gorgeous nose of graphite, creme de cassis, cedarwood, Christmas fruitcake, bay leaf and a damp forest floor-like character. It possesses sensational depth, a full-bodied opulence, admirable purity and a skyscraper-like texture and finish. This killer wine has not yet closed down, and it should drink well for 20-25 years."

That Beaucastel is magic. I am a big fan of that family's wines. And the Blanc is a treat.

ACV anything is wonderful ( There Chard is perhaps one of the two three best in Napa), and the Eloge is a really nice way to look a Bordeaux from afar. If you guys have the '02 and the '07, that is going to be one very enjoyable comparison.

I

2007 Anderson's Conn Valley Vineyards Éloge (which if Dan brings the 2002 may make for a nice comparison)

It's probably no secret I love Todd's wines, and this one is no exception. While it's got decades of potential, the last time I had it it was drinking quite well. and finish.

Looks like you made the decision easy for me. 02 ACV Eloge it is.
Speaking of secrets, it was cordelli that turned me on to ACV about 7 - 8 years ago.

Looks like the attendees are stepping up to the plate. ^

<bows with deep gratitude and respect.> ;)

Speaking of secrets, it was cordelli that turned me on to ACV about 7 - 8 years ago.


And it was SweetWillie's thread http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/diningbuzz/308365-one-finest-red-wines-ive-ever-had-ever.html that made us visit with Todd on our next trip out there after reading that thread.

Hmm, I can't top that. I could try with the Kosta Brownes I have, but I'm waiting a few years to build a decent vertical. Only three years in....

OK The girls and I are bringing a dessert wine, a 2008 Patit Creek Semillon Ice Wine from Walla Walla. Its only the 3rd time in 37 years that they were able to make an ice wine and it tasted divine:)

So I am going to bring a Champagne Bertrand Senecourt Beau Joie Brut special edition.

:cool:

OK The girls and I are bringing a dessert wine, a 2008 Patit Creek Semillon Ice Wine from Walla Walla. Its only the 3rd time in 37 years that they were able to make an ice wine and it tasted divine:)

:cool:

Hmm, I can't top that. I could try with the Kosta Brownes I have, but I'm waiting a few years to build a decent vertical. Only three years in....

We trust you to make the right decision. Isn't it nice that travel people can actually organize an impressive wine tasting. ;) :p

Last night I went to a wine dinner at Peking Duck House on East 53 street between 2nd and 3rd Avenue. I've been here before and the food is good.
I can bring down the cost to ~$65, vs $80 - $85 at Tribecca Grill and North Square.

When you think of duck, you usually think of champagne and pinot noir. I've attended 3 major dinners here with 40+ wine snobs that are as much fun as Flyertalkers. :p
I think WineDo5 is ready for a change.

The good thing is that there's no theme. I know I said that we should have a themed dinner, but at PDH, anything goes (subject to the vetting discussed upthread).

Sometime next week I'll make my phone calls and post the details. They have a variety of set menus. ^ http://pekingduckhousenyc.com/locations/locations.html

^ This is a pretty good place (at least the Chinatown location is) and we also like the Rieslings and Gewurtzes right in there with the Chompers and Pinot when it is Asian food. Count us in.

We'll go along with the rest, but that would not be my 1st choice.

Not that I have another suggestion. :rolleyes:

We'll go along with the rest, but that would not be my 1st choice.

Not that I have another suggestion. :rolleyes:

I'll second this (as to both parts).

Ok folks. Not to worry. Besides the 2 comments above + 1 e mail that I received, that makes 3 no votes. That's about ~15%.

Let's keep Tribecca Grill as a temporary option for now. The company trumps the restaurant. ^

dh

Ok folks. Not to worry. Besides the 2 comments above + 1 e mail that I received, that makes 3 no votes. That's about ~15%.

Let's keep Tribecca Grill as a temporary option for now. The company trumps the restaurant. ^

dhAlso fine with us although the cab fare down to there is a lot higher. ;)

Also fine with us although the cab fare down to there is a lot higher. ;)

What! You're not driving? :D

^ This is a pretty good place (at least the Chinatown location is) and we also like the Rieslings and Gewurtzes right in there with the Chompers and Pinot when it is Asian food. Count us in.

Agreed. I had entertained the notion of a Lopez de Heredia white as one of our bottles, just because it is fun and weird, but could certainly switch my choice to go better with the food.

Also fine with us although the cab fare down to there is a lot higher. ;)

This is more typical of the complaints I was expecting. :p

Count me as a + for duck.

Ok folks. Not to worry. Besides the 2 comments above + 1 e mail that I received, that makes 3 no votes. That's about ~15%.

Let's keep Tribecca Grill as a temporary option for now. The company trumps the restaurant. ^

dh

Dan, you know perfectly well that it's "Tribeca" with just one "c." :p

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, let me say that I'm fine with Peking Duck House, Tribeca Grill, North Square, or any of a zillion other possibilities.

(Anyhow the subway fare is going to be the same to any of them. ;) )

Seems that I made the same mistake in the past. ;)

No duck for wineDo5.

I'm up for Peking Duck House but I'm flexible.

The girls and I prefer Tribeca Grill or something like that. Does that count as 3 votes?? LOL :D

Last night I went to a wine dinner at Roy's in Pasadena. ;)

With my new found connection, I'm trying to work a deal at Roy's in New York. I'll let you know if I get lucky.

You know something we don't? AFAIK, Roy doesn't have a restaurant in NYC anymore. :confused:

Good call on Pasadena, though. ^

You know something we don't? AFAIK, Roy doesn't have a restaurant in NYC anymore. :confused:


Back to the drawing board. Last I went to Roy's in New York was post September 11th.

FYI, Pasadena is preparing for your arrival. ;)

Maybe the Roy Rogers at Penn Station is still open. :p

I'm reviewing a menu from North Square. If we can guarantee 24 attendees, the price will come in around ~$75.00. We did WineDo 3 in a private room. NS did a great job.
North Square is located just off Washington Square Park in the village (Greenwich Village). ;) http://www.NorthSquareNY.com/

Here's the menu from that dinner:

Appetizers pick one

Sesame Tuna
Endive Salad
Lobster risotto
Crab & Pear Salad
Lobster & Crab Cakes

Entrees pick one

Barbecue Braised Short
Herb Crusted Rack of Lamb
Filet Mignon au Poivre
Seared Sea Scallops
Roasted Chicken Breast

Desserts pick one

Vanilla Creme Brulee
Key Lime Pie
Brownie Sundae
Strawberry Rhubarb Shortcake


Coffee, tea and soda included


The Deco Room is located at the lobby level of the Washington Square Hotel.

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I'm waiting to hear back from Tribeca Grill.

I started a waitlist.

North Square is a great location. IM(nsh)O, it is a more comfortable venue than Tribeca Grill for this type of dinner, all things otherwise being equal. Either, however, is very good and at $80 mas o menos for these dinners is a great value. For the couple of currently available seats, for those who may be hesitant - I don't know what NYC corkage typically is, but lets figure $20 in these sorts of places, and there's no less than a bottle per person. 3 courses plus corkage plus tax and tip = $80 is really quite a deal.

This is the only FT event that I now go out of my way to attend. If I otherwise stumble upon a Do, a Done, or a Did, sometimes I'll pop in. I can't thank Dan enough for putting these together. (Dan, on the other hand, might say, Oh, Eastbay1K, you can thank me enough, but I know you will not be bringing THAT to WD :D )

As discussed on bizarro FT chat, I will be jumping in for Wine Do. As I incured a penalty last year, I will be bringing a very high end wine to make up for last year. :)

Just let me know what type to bring Pops. I will hunt down my new wine guy and have him get me something great.

I will hunt down my new wine guy and have him get me something great.

Trust me, new wine isn't going to be great :D :p You should look for a wine guy with a more comprehensive cellar! ;)

Trust me, new wine isn't going to be great :D :p You should look for a wine guy with a more comprehensive cellar! ;)

Me tenias que salir con esa baina? Lol:D

I've updated the OP.

Waitlist started.

I'll pass on editorial comments. :p

As discussed on bizarro FT chat, I will be jumping in for Wine Do. As I incured a penalty last year, I will be bringing a very high end wine to make up for last year. :)

Just let me know what type to bring Pops. I will hunt down my new wine guy and have him get me something great.


Bring a CdP. That's a red wine from France.

Bring a CdP. That's a red wine from France.

Found some good examples.

Anyone know of any good wine shops in New York?

Anyone know of any good wine shops in New York?

For this party, for out of town guests staying in central areas, this may be the best bet to find the right kind of wine for this party.

http://www.sherry-lehmann.com/

NY has ridiculous prices so if you can I recommend buying local to yourself and shipping it to a local before the party. The California shops online have much better selections and way more reasonably priced including shipping.

Mike

Anyone know of any good wine shops in New York?

This current thread in the New York forum should keep you busy. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/new-york-city/1331805-where-can-i-find-good-wines-nyc.html

That said, you can ship wine to my house if you'd like.

Reminder: The cost of admission is a $35 bottle of wine that will be vetted by the committee. :rolleyes: :p As I noted upthread, several people seem to be stepping up their game this year. ^

Bring a CdP. That's a red wine from France.

And a white :D

North Square is a great location. IM(nsh)O, it is a more comfortable venue than Tribeca Grill for this type of dinner, all things otherwise being equal. Either, however, is very good and at $80 mas o menos for these dinners is a great value. For the couple of currently available seats, for those who may be hesitant - I don't know what NYC corkage typically is, but lets figure $20 in these sorts of places, and there's no less than a bottle per person. 3 courses plus corkage plus tax and tip = $80 is really quite a deal.


Tribeca Grill responded to my e mail and said they'd get back to me next week.

North Square is a great location. IM(nsh)O, it is a more comfortable venue than Tribeca Grill for this type of dinner, all things otherwise being equal. Either, however, is very good and at $80 mas o menos for these dinners is a great value....

I agree with EB1K. Having our own private dining room at North Square made it special! I don't know if they would do that again, though. Normally, that room is the bar, isn't it?

I agree with EB1K. Having our own private dining room at North Square made it special! I don't know if they would do that again, though. Normally, that room is the bar, isn't it?

The room we were in last time had a private bar. It's not open otherwise. The restaurant does have a 'normal' bar area.

I've started posting the wine folks are bringing to the thread on the first page.
When you decide what you're bringing, please post to the thread.

Thanks.

Most likely (95%) A Donkey and Goat 2006 Vieilles Vignes, 2006 Mendocino Syrah. Unfiltered, 245 cases.

I may also bring a second wine, probably an "interesting (unusual) white" that likely doesn't meet this year's "entry $" but it will be an extra bonus bottle, and is guaranteed not to scare anyone away, nor make anyone vomit a little bit in his own mouth. ;) I have a few in mind.

Most likely (95%) A Donkey and Goat 2006 Vieilles Vignes, 2006 Mendocino Syrah. Unfiltered, 245 cases.


Wow, that's like ten cases per person. That's way too much to bring :D

Ugh. I just got wind of travel needs outside NYC that weekend. So I need to cancel. Though cordelli and dhammer53 - I'd love to meet for a mini-mini-DO one of these days.

And a white :D

and a pink...

http://i4.cdscdn.com/pdt/O/S/E/1/f/CHAPCDRROSE/rw/m-chapoutier-cotes-du-rhone-rose-2008.jpg

and a pink...


Actually Châteauneuf-du-Pape is only red or white. The rosé is from the Côtes du Rhône AOC which although geographically adjacent is not the same thing.

Wonderful, wonderful rosé from the Rhone region, so if one is to be brought all will be very pleased to be able to drink it I would think.

Mike

If we haven't already met our bubbly quota, how about a bottle of this as one of our two? It seems appropriate as we visited Brundlmayer's restaurant last week on our honeymoon. :cool:

http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=987343

If we haven't already met our bubbly quota, how about a bottle of this as one of our two? It seems appropriate as we visited Brundlmayer's restaurant last week on our honeymoon. :cool:

http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=987343

You can never have enough champagne/sparkling wine. This will even taste better since there's meaning behind it. :cool:

If we haven't already met our bubbly quota, how about a bottle of this as one of our two? It seems appropriate as we visited Brundlmayer's restaurant last week on our honeymoon. :cool:

http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=987343

I'll be in VIE a week after the Do, shoot me some details via PM please. :) Already booked for dinner at Steirereck the day I arrive, and then the next day a couple places in Wachau, but hey I am game.

We're going back to the private back room at North Square. Cost is $72 - $75. Last time we were here the cost was $81.

The menu will be like it was last time we were there. Check out post 62. The actual menu items will be different. YMMV.

dh

Now that I'll be in NY that weekend, I'll express interest in joining. Not quite ready to commit yet, though. Had fun in 2010!

Now that I'll be in NY that weekend, I'll express interest in joining. Not quite ready to commit yet, though. Had fun in 2010!

Attendance is not optional. Now, as for your commitment issues, well, I'm sure NYC has a specialist or two to help :p

We're going back to the private back room at North Square. Cost is $72 - $75. Last time we were here the cost was $81.

The menu will be like it was last time we were there. Check out post 62. The actual menu items will be different. YMMV.

dh

Yippeee!!! Good times. :)

Yippeee!!! Good times. :)

Kathy dancing on the tables. Woo hoo!

We're going back to the private back room at North Square. Cost is $72 - $75. Last time we were here the cost was $81.

The menu will be like it was last time we were there. Check out post 62. The actual menu items will be different. YMMV.

dh

That's great! I'm sure it will be as fabulous as it was in 2010.

One of these days I'll figure out my wine selection(s)...

Kathy dancing on the tables. Woo hoo!

Actually, that's a pretty frightening thought -- especially to me!!! :eek:

The list is slowly taking shape.

dhammer Anderson Conn Valley 02 Eloge
Luvtworce +2 2008 Patit Creek Semillon Ice Wine from Walla Walla + Champagne Bertrand Senecourt Beau Joie Brut special edition
EastBay A Donkey and Goat 2006 Vieilles Vignes, 2006 Mendocino Syrah. Unfiltered
SFOTerry
SFOMo
HPN-HRL Madroña 2006 Cabernet Sauvignon Black Label
KathyWdrf 2007 Prager Riesling Smaragd Hollerin (possibility).
violist Cheval Blanc
ldsant
DLroads
Calcifer + 1 2007 Weingut Willi Bründlmayer Brut +
WanderLuster
Monitor Henry of Pelham Speck Family Reserve 2007
Franny Riesling Icewine from Henry of Pelham
austin_res
cordelli +1 Anderson Conn Valley 07 Eloge + 2006 Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape Blanc
El_Chiflero CdP


Maybe
jackal

Franny has not yet decided but I will bring one of those Niagara Pinot Noirs, the Henry of Pelham Speck Family Reserve 2007.

Franny has not yet decided but I will bring one of those Niagara Pinot Noirs, the Henry of Pelham Speck Family Reserve 2007.

Bob, I drank this 3 years ago... 1998 Henry of Pelham Riesling Special Select Late Harvest Riesling

If your wine taste anything like the wine I drank, please sit next to me. :D

In that case, I guess I will ask Franny to bring that Riesling Icewine from Henry of Pelham that she found up there. I am not in NY so I can't yet give the details on that one.

That one does figure to taste something like the late harvest that you mentioned so you can sit next to her. :)

21 attendees so far. There's room for 3 additional.

The OP has been updated to reflect the list of wines and current attendees.

Hi Dan,

Thanks for transferring my main wine info to this thread. I also plan to bring some sort of Port (maybe New World Port, maybe "official" Port).

The earliest North Square can seat us is now 7:00 (1900).
They'll be preparing the room from an earlier party. Plan on arriving ~6:30 - 6:45.

dh

My arm has been twisted, so I shall now confirm my attendance at the Wine Do.

I don't have a selection ready to announce quite yet but will get to that in due course.

My arm has been twisted, so I shall now confirm my attendance at the Wine Do.

I don't have a selection ready to announce quite yet but will get to that in due course.

So noted. I trust you'll one up yourself from last time. No pressure. :p

2 seats left.

Kathy dancing on the tables. Woo hoo!

And I have photodocumentation of violist demonstrating some rather interesting skills with the silverware.

I couldn't find this thread when searching back in March. Alas, looks like I'll still be across the pond on June 3 :-( but the Corrison Cab I planned to bring should still be drinking nicely in time for Wine Do 6....

So noted. I trust you'll one up yourself from last time. No pressure. :p....I thought that the Dunham Syrah that jackal brought last time was pretty good. That Washington State stuff we have been taking from BOB W's wall o' wine in Anchorage or picking up in the Columbia Valley or Woodinville is IMO pretty good but I guess it is not to everybody's taste.

However, he really is willing and wanting to please and I will try to help make sure that he has something that you will like this time.

The "bonus bottle" -
Mercury Wine 2010 Alexander Valley Sauvignon Musque
125 Cases, 100% on skin fermentation

A most unusual white.

It is less than the "buy in" minimum, but it is the bonus bottle. So, feel free not to drink any :p

http://www.mercurywine.com/2010-sauvignon-musque.html

It is less than the "buy in" minimum, but it is the bonus bottle. So, feel free not to drink any :p



Last year we had more bottles than attendees. :o
Bonus bottles are encouraged, but not necessary.

Some dos and don'ts for WineDo 5:

Do: Short pours to start.
Do: Be aggressive and taste. Last year many attendees 'missed' out on some wines.
Do: Take notes if you'd like.
Do: Get up and walk to other tables.
Do: Ask questions
Do: Talk about the wine.

Can't think of any don'ts. :p

Estimated cost is ~$82. Roughly the same as WD 3 and WD 4. My earlier number of low $70's neglected the corkage.

I have to sign a contract guaranteeing 20 attendees. If you can't make it, now's the time to let us know.

Post 12,000.

dh

Last year we had more bottles than attendees. :o
Bonus bottles are encouraged, but not necessary.

Some dos and don'ts for WineDo 5:

Do: Short pours to start.
Do: Be aggressive and taste. Last year many attendees 'missed' out on some wines.
Do: Take notes if you'd like.
Do: Get up and walk to other tables.
Do: Ask questions
Do: Talk about the wine.

Can't think of any don'ts. :p

Estimated cost is ~$82. Roughly the same as WD 3 and WD 4. My earlier number of low $70's neglected the corkage.

I have to sign a contract guaranteeing 20 attendees. If you can't make it, now's the time to let us know.

Post 12,000.

dh

I would only add one "Don't"....

Don't stifle yourself.

In all the years of tasting wine I have done, and at all the tastings I have joined, there is one great truth that many infrequent wine tasters tend to forget.

That is that your palate, your thoughts. your comments, regardless of experience, vocabulary, or level wine geekiness are no less valid and no less deserving of being shared and heard. So people, treat yourselves to a great time and talk up the wine. It is a lot of fun and typically leads to some new inspirations next time you are in your favorite shop, wine aisle, etc.

Wish I was going to be there with all of you.

Mike

I would only add one "Don't"....

Don't stifle yourself.

In all the years of tasting wine I have done, and at all the tastings I have joined, there is one great truth that many infrequent wine tasters tend to forget.

That is that your palate, your thoughts. your comments, regardless of experience, vocabulary, or level wine geekiness are no less valid and no less deserving of being shared and heard. So people, treat yourselves to a great time and talk up the wine. It is a lot of fun and typically leads to some new inspirations next time you are in your favorite shop, wine aisle, etc.

Wish I was going to be there with all of you.

Mike

^
Agreed. "It is yummy" and "it is icky" are perfectly excellent descriptions. They also lead to follow-up questions. ;)

For those that aren't of the wine expert cloth, take it from me: any comment is a good comment. The only wine tastings I have ever done have been Wine DO and the one DO Dhammer53 did in April 2010. I have learned a lot as usually me and Lovtworce's daughter are the inexperienced ones of the group. I can't wait.


Pops: my Wine Guy found an awesome 2008 example of the cDp you asked me to bring. You will enjoy it as I got a nice preview. It was very tasty.

Pops: my Wine Guy found an awesome 2008 example of the cDp you asked me to bring. You will enjoy it as I got a nice preview. It was very tasty.

Please share the name of your find. I need to add it to the list.

The "bonus bottle" -
Mercury Wine 2010 Alexander Valley Sauvignon Musque
125 Cases, 100% on skin fermentation

A most unusual white.

It is less than the "buy in" minimum, but it is the bonus bottle. So, feel free not to drink any :p

http://www.mercurywine.com/2010-sauvignon-musque.html

Don't short sell bonus bottles. In 2009, this wine was a bonus bottle:

2004 Paradise Ridge Shiraz - USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley

Even though we tasted the Molly Dooker and Amon Ra, this cold, sparkling shiraz was the most fussed over, talked about wine. I've never tasted a wine like this. It had lots of bubbles. Great taste. Very dark purple. Jammy. This wine was the most fun of the evenings wines. 275 cs produced. (92 pts.)

Bottle #2: Domaine du Closel Savennieres Clos Du Papillon 2007.

Sorry, I should have gone red for #2 but I saw this and couldn't resist.
RIP Joe Dressner.

Since Calcifer decided on a French white, I thought that she would like to taste a type of Austrian red that she did not have time for on her recent trip to the white wine producing area of northwestern Austria.

It is a Grassl Rubin Carnuntum, something that is likely way below the price floor agreed on for this dinner but which is difficult to impossible to find around here and very typical of the breed. It is probably mostly zweigelt with some blaufrankisch and maybe a zootch of Merlot thrown in. I hope that she will like it.

Since Calcifer decided on a French white, I thought that she would like to taste a type of Austrian red that she did not have time for on her recent trip to the white wine producing area of northwestern Austria.

It is a Grassl Rubin Carnuntum, something that is likely way below the price floor agreed on for this dinner but which is difficult to impossible to find around here and very typical of the breed. It is probably mostly zweigelt with some blaufrankisch and maybe a zootch of Merlot thrown in. I hope that she will like it.

Thank you so much, monitor! Very much looking forward to it. I was looking at the Austrian reds in the store this afternoon but the few in stock were either far under the buy-in or farther over than I was comfortable with.

Bottle #2: Domaine du Closel Savennieres Clos Du Papillon 2007.


After careful review, wine priced at $34.99 will be considered $35.00. :D

Since Calcifer decided on a French white, I thought that she would like to taste a type of Austrian red that she did not have time for on her recent trip to the white wine producing area of northwestern Austria.

It is a Grassl Rubin Carnuntum, something that is likely way below the price floor agreed on for this dinner but which is difficult to impossible to find

monitor, bonus bottles have no minimum. ^ FYI, they have no maximum either.

Paypal information to follow later this week.

I don't drink nor eat (much), but will be in town that night and see some familiar names on that list. If any of you want to catch up pre or post boozing, let me know (I won't come along and take up valuable spots on the DO that could be used for more boozers :p)

I don't drink nor eat (much), but will be in town that night and see some familiar names on that list. If any of you want to catch up pre or post boozing, let me know (I won't come along and take up valuable spots on the DO that could be used for more boozers :p)

Dinner starts at 7 if you want to join in the fun. We'll probably finish in the 9:30 neighborhood. Feel free to come by for a pour of any leftovers mate. There may be a drop or 2 left, but with this crowd, you never know. :o

Paypal info just PM'd. If you didn't receive it, please advise.

Bolding in the OP reflects payment. As you can see, EastBay and jackal couldn't wait. ;) ^

Dinner starts at 7 if you want to join in the fun. We'll probably finish in the 9:30 neighborhood. Feel free to come by for a pour of any leftovers mate. There may be a drop or 2 left, but with this crowd, you never know. :o

Paypal info just PM'd. If you didn't receive it, please advise.

Bolding in the OP reflects payment. As you can see, EastBay and jackal couldn't wait. ;) ^

2 1/2 hours for that many bottles? You guys in some kind of hurry?

2 1/2 hours for that many bottles? You guys in some kind of hurry?

I hope not. A proper dinner of this nature should last no less than 3 hours. And somehow, I think that Jackal and myself will make sure that las ultimas gotas go to a good home.

I sent $ before I fled the country last week. I do notice, however, that my "bonus bottle" is not worthy of the master list. ;)

Others: "Why are you going to New York?"
Me: "For Dinner."

I never tire of that short conversation :)

And somehow, I think that Jackal and myself will make sure that las ultimas gotas go to a good home.

Sí, a mi casa.

I'm not sure what to make of dhammer53's comment about the Dunham I brought two years ago, since even the cheapest it could be bought for was 1.4 times the minimum buy-in (and just about equal to the current year's buy-in), and it seemed to get murmurs of approval when it was passed around.

In any case, though, whatever I do bring this year will definitely be colored red. The search for a suitable candidate now begins...

2 1/2 hours for that many bottles? You guys in some kind of hurry?

We have the room for 3+ hours.



I sent $ before I fled the country last week. I do notice, however, that my "bonus bottle" is not worthy of the master list. ;)



I'm not listing any of the bonus bottles since it's extra 'paperwork'; not to mention only a couple of people are bringing them.



I'm not sure what to make of dhammer53's comment about the Dunham I brought two years ago, since even the cheapest it could be bought for was 1.4 times the minimum buy-in (and just about equal to the current year's buy-in), and it seemed to get murmurs of approval when it was passed around.


I read monitors comment above. When I looked at the thread in question, I didn't see any comments. Maybe I missed it. Just for the record, I recently tasted an Anderson Conn Valley Chard, that a friend of mine couldn't believe that I didn't love. Wine is a YMMV thing. ;)

Dinner starts at 7 if you want to join in the fun. We'll probably finish in the 9:30 neighborhood. Feel free to come by for a pour of any leftovers mate. There may be a drop or 2 left, but with this crowd, you never know. :o

Lol. I highly doubt there would be any left. ;) I'm a strange New Zealander though, I don't drink wine (or any alcomohol). If there are french fries and coca cola being served, I'll happily get rid of both of those however. :rolleyes::p

I read monitors comment above. When I looked at the thread in question, I didn't see any comments. Maybe I missed it. Just for the record, I recently tasted an Anderson Conn Valley Chard, that a friend of mine couldn't believe that I didn't love. Wine is a YMMV thing. ;)

Perhaps I misunderstood your original comment ("I trust you'll one up yourself from last time. No pressure."). I recall there being some controversy at that DO about one of the wines not meeting the buy-in; I interpreted your comment as meaning you were recollecting me as being the subject of the controversy. I was not. That's all.

This thread is becoming more and more like a Frasier episode. :)

Can you join us?

So far: 20

dhammer Anderson Conn Valley 02 Eloge
Luvtworce +2 2008 Patit Creek Semillon Ice Wine from Walla Walla + Champagne Bertrand Senecourt Beau Joie Brut special edition
EastBay A Donkey and Goat 2006 Vieilles Vignes, 2006 Mendocino Syrah. Unfiltered
SFOTerry
SFOMo
HPN-HRL Madroña 2006 Cabernet Sauvignon Black Label
KathyWdrf 2007 Prager Riesling Smaragd Hollerin(possibility).
violist Cheval Blanc

DLroads - can't make it, but is sending wine. ^ Bruno Paillard Champagne Premier Cuvee - Reims France + a 03 H'amara (sp?) The Cave from Israel.
Calcifer + 1 ;) 2007 Weingut Willi Bründlmayer Brut + Domaine du Closel Savennieres Clos Du Papillon 2007
Monitor Henry of Pelham Speck Family Reserve Pinot Noir 2007
Franny Riesling Icewine from Henry of Pelham
austin_res
cordelli +1 Anderson Conn Valley 07 Eloge+ 2006 Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape Blanc
El_Chiflero CdP
jackal

BOLD - PAID.


Haven't heard back from all of you. I'm not signing the contract until I have all the funds. I PM'd Paypal information earlier in the week. If you didn't receive my PM, please advise.





Pops: my Wine Guy found an awesome 2008 example of the cDp you asked me to bring. You will enjoy it as I got a nice preview. It was very tasty.

Do tell. Do you need my Paypal info??


Perhaps I misunderstood your original comment ("I trust you'll one up yourself from last time. No pressure."). I recall there being some controversy at that DO about one of the wines not meeting the buy-in; I interpreted your comment as meaning you were recollecting me as being the subject of the controversy. I was not. That's all.

I think you missed my smilie face. Let's try it again. :rolleyes: :p Go back upthread and re-read what I wrote. I also doublechecked the thread from 2 years ago. I didn't comment on your wine. :o Afterall, we all know Washington State wines are ^

This thread is becoming more and more like a Frasier episode. :)

You want drama, check out the BRT 12 thread. People are dropping like flies. At least the fees have been covered. Hint hint. ;)

I think you missed my smilie face. Let's try it again. :rolleyes: :p Go back upthread and re-read what I wrote. I also doublechecked the thread from 2 years ago. I didn't comment on your wine. :o Afterall, we all know Washington State wines are ^

The comments--both ones positive in favor of the Dunham as well as the ones about the value of one of the wines brought--which, now that I think about it more, may have been the wine brought by my plus one that was suggested by esteemed cellarmaster BOB W, so I suppose I do share some culpability in that :o--were done in-person and not on the thread.

But glad to see my reading was mistaken. So, bygones have now been bygones. :)

DLroads - can't make it, but is sending wine. ^ Bruno Paillard Champagne Premier Cuvee - Reims France + a 03 H'amara (sp?) The Cave from Israel.



If anyone else that's not attending wants to send us their wine for tasting, we'd appreciate it. :o :D ^

The OP has been updated to reflect payment as of Thursday morning.

We have 4 unfilled seats. You still have time to sign up. We're going to be drinking some outstanding juice at WD5.

If anyone else that's not attending wants to send us their wine for tasting, we'd appreciate it. :o :D ^



I hope you will all enjoy it! I was planning to attend, but I have to be in New Orleans for other obligations. If anyone is from New Orleans, we can have a 'mirror DO' and have a toast the same time.


(Sp is fine, as it is phonetic write-up. It is Ha-me-a-ra in Hebrew, but the "e" of the "me" part is relatively weak in sound. Hebrew spelling: המערה
Cheers!)

I hope you will all enjoy it! I was planning to attend, but I have to be in New Orleans for other obligations.

Are you sure about this? ;)

Ok folks. There are 4 spots left at WineDo 5. We're on the hook for 20. If someone cancels, we'll have to anty up the difference.

It will be a shame not to share such good wine with as many attendees as possible. WD5 will be the best yet. :o

Are you sure about this? ;)

Ok folks. There are 4 spots left at WineDo 5. We're on the hook for 20. If someone cancels, we'll have to anty up the difference.

It will be a shame not to share such good wine with as many attendees as possible. WD5 will be the best yet. :o

I really enjoyed last year's event and would love to join again for this year. I am hoping to have my schedule firmed up early next week, and will be able to confirm then if there are still seats available!

Ok folks. There are 5 spots left at WineDo 5. We're on the hook for a total of 20 attendees. If someone cancels, we'll have to anty up the difference.



The OP has been updated. Someone just pulled out. We're going to have 19 for dinner. I'm on the hook for 20 since that was the minimum to get the private room. I've been working the wine boards and Milepoint. So far, no luck.
This mean everyone is on the hook for $4. Stay tuned.

dh

Lots-o-fun, folks. Certainly someone wants to join us. ^

Are you sure about this? ;)

Ok folks. There are 4 spots left at WineDo 5. We're on the hook for 20. If someone cancels, we'll have to anty up the difference.

It will be a shame not to share such good wine with as many attendees as possible. WD5 will be the best yet. :o

Sadly I do... at least I was able to change my flight and still make it to ride the dAArk side trimotor before heading to my meetings (few hundred $$$, hate multi-city pricing, but it was not cheaper with a throw away ticket) .

I just returned from France with some new wine bottles. If you like something you have and have spare bottles, I'd trade you a bottle.

I have just signed up!:cool:

I have just signed up!:cool:

:cool: ^

Please post what you're going to bring when you know.

SFOTerry & SFOMo will bring:

1989 Paul Jaboulet Aîné Hermitage La Chapelle
1999 Ridge Syrah Lytton Estate (ATP)

SFOTerry & SFOMo will bring:

1989 Paul Jaboulet Aîné Hermitage La Chapelle
1999 Ridge Syrah Lytton Estate (ATP)

I rather suspect the Jaboulet will take Wine of the Night honors. Outstanding choice! Has it been cellared well?

:cool:
:cool:

We trust you to make the right decision. Isn't it nice that travel people can actually organize an impressive wine tasting. ;) :p

Have you noticed that what appears to be the "final lineup" will have 35% of the attendees from Northern California? :eek: :p ^

I rather suspect the Jaboulet will take Wine of the Night honors. Outstanding choice! Has it been cellared well?

Will you be surprising us with your presence so you can sample same?

I rather suspect the Jaboulet will take Wine of the Night honors. Outstanding choice! Has it been cellared well?

Don't be so certain - it is supposedly in it's "dumb period". I may bring one that's been in the house for awhile. @:-)

I rather suspect the Jaboulet will take Wine of the Night honors. Outstanding choice! Has it been cellared well?He did it before, one night in San Francisco with a memorable Cote Rotie. ^

He does like those Rhones and Rhone blends. :)

Will you be surprising us with your presence so you can sample same?

How I wish. Oh man, how I wish.

Don't be so certain - it is supposedly in it's "dumb period". I may bring one that's been in the house for awhile. @:-)

1989 is drinking well now. Good acidity still an bright flavors. I recently did a 1988 vs. 1989 CdP tasting of twelve different bottles and it showed extraordinary performance now.

Going to my wine guy at 5pm to pick up my CuP...will keep u posted...

my CuP

I thought we were supposed to bring a whole bottle. :confused:

Going to my wine guy at 5pm to pick up my CuP...will keep u posted...

For $50, you will get a drinkable bottle of CdP; even at inflated NYC prices.

dh

For those coming by public transportation

103 WAVERLY PLACE, NEW YORK, NY

A, B, C, D, E, F, M Subways to West 4th Street, walk one block north, one block east

1 Subway to Christopher Street, walk north one block to Waverly Place, turn right and go down two blocks

N and R subway top 8th street, South one block to Waverly place, left and up five blocks.

What is everyone planning on wearing to the party?

What is everyone planning on wearing to the party?

Tuxedo. It's a well known fact that everyone dress up for WineDo.



Seriously, casual is fine. Same goes for shorts and a tee shirt.

Tuxedo. It's a well known fact that everyone dress up for WineDo.



Seriously, casual is fine. Same goes for shorts and a tee shirt.


I was going to, but the airline prospectively lost my tux! :o

Tuxedo. It's a well known fact that everyone dress up for WineDo.

Seriously, casual is fine. Same goes for shorts and a tee shirt.


Since the only folks other than the waitstaff in the room are other FTers, FTers are the only folks you need to impress with your attire. And it is my experience that most FTers are pretty undiscriminating when it comes to clothing. ;)

What is everyone planning on wearing to the party?

Personally, I always pack light -- carry-on only. In fact, I'm planning to bring an even smaller carry-on this time.

Therefore, I have to leave all my formal ball gowns (:rolleyes:) at home.

For me, minimalist packing = casual clothing.

Impressive line up. Sigh, I wish i could join everyone. Have to head home Sunday afternoon.

Thanks for the replies to my question. Like KathyWdrf I like to travel light. I plan on wearing a plaid button-down shirt with black jeans.

Thanks for the replies to my question. Like KathyWdrf I like to travel light. I plan on wearing a plaid button-down shirt with black jeans.

Well, I just spilled a glass of red wine on the one pair of decent pants I've taken on the trip, so it'll be jeans for me.

At least the pants went out in style. :)

Sunday June 3, 2012 at 7:00 (1900).

Cost will be about $82.

Place: North Square


Missing so far: 20

El_Chiflero CdP



I told El_Chiflero to bring cash, since he hasn't paypaled.

The earliest North Square can seat us is now 7:00 (1900).
They'll be preparing the room from an earlier party. Plan on arriving ~6:30 - 6:45.



We can meet in the bar, then they'll take us to the private room.



Some dos and don'ts for WineDo 5:

Do: Short pours to start.
Do: Be aggressive and taste. Last year many attendees 'missed' out on some wines.
Do: Take notes if you'd like.
Do: Get up and walk to other tables.
Do: Ask questions
Do: Talk about the wine.

Can't think of any don'ts. :p

I have to sign a contract guaranteeing 20 attendees. If you can't make it, now's the time to let us know.



Anything less than 20 people will require $4.00 additional. Just about everyone has paid. WineDo 6 will be at a location that doesn't require a minimum. :eek: :rolleyes:

I would only add one "Don't"....

Don't stifle yourself.

In all the years of tasting wine I have done, and at all the tastings I have joined, there is one great truth that many infrequent wine tasters tend to forget.

That is that your palate, your thoughts. your comments, regardless of experience, vocabulary, or level wine geekiness are no less valid and no less deserving of being shared and heard. So people, treat yourselves to a great time and talk up the wine. It is a lot of fun and typically leads to some new inspirations next time you are in your favorite shop, wine aisle, etc.



El_Chiflero[/B];18644792]Going to my wine guy at 5pm to pick up my CuP...will keep u posted...

Do tell. :confused: You've been promising the gang that you'd post. You tease better be good.

dh

How late does this go? I'm arriving LGA at 10pm; I could try to move it earlier (I've forgotten what the change fees are on US)...

It looks like the weather gods are going to cooperate. The Northern California contingent is very sensitive to weather that makes us uncomfortably shvitz every time we contemplate the outdoors.

How late does this go? I'm arriving LGA at 10pm; I could try to move it earlier (I've forgotten what the change fees are on US)...

Dinner starts at 7:00. I expect we'll be there to all hours of the night :D but more likely 10 - 10:30. If you PM me, I'll send you my cell.

When I got the e mail alert that this thread was bumped, I thought it was El_Chiflero posting about what he's going to bring.

...When I got the e mail alert that this thread was bumped, I thought it was El_Chiflero posting about what he's going to bring.El Chiflero is currently in hiding somewhere in New Jersey. :rolleyes:

It may be that he heard that the wine shops over there were much cheaper than those in the City and is going to make a quick hit on one of them while he was there. :D

So this is why no one is in LAX on Saturday?;)

Have fun everyone

So this is why no one is in LAX on Saturday?;)

There are many, many reasons not to be in LAX. ;)

5th annual WineDo.
So far: 20

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SFOTerry 1989 Paul Jaboulet Aîné Hermitage La Chapelle



Love their La Chapelle. Can't wait to try the 89. The 2003 has been wonderful every time we have had it.

Love their La Chapelle. Can't wait to try the 89. The 2003 has been wonderful every time we have had it.IME, when it comes to serious wine, SFOTerry does not fool around.

I have the bottle in my hand. As always, I will read the entire label so you know what it is.

2008 Domaine Monpertuis Châteauneuf-du-Pape E.A.R.L Vignettes Paul Jeune
14% Alcohol. I am going to love this wine.

2008 Domaine Monpertuis Châteauneuf-du-Pape E.A.R.L Vignettes Paul Jeune ^

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I take it you approve Monseiour(sp?) Terry?

IME, when it comes to serious wine, SFOTerry does not fool around.

I have the bottle in my hand. As always, I will read the entire label so you know what it is.

2008 Domaine Monpertuis Châteauneuf-du-Pape E.A.R.L Vignettes Paul Jeune
14% Alcohol. I am going to love this wine.

In the movie Miracle on 34th Street, during the last court scene, the Post Office delivers sacks of mail for Santa to the judge. The judge says if the USPS thinks that this man is Santa, who am I to argue.

If SFOTerry says this is a good wine, I believe him. :D

Going to be very good addition to the list. I think Dan may be in line with his glass first. :-)

Somebody take notes please. This is going to be a fest. :-)

Oh and to one and all present, twist Dan's arm to see about promising for next year too. I will see if I can do a bit better on the attendance score.

In the movie Miracle on 34th Street, during the last court scene, the Post Office delivers sacks of mail for Santa to the judge. The judge says if the USPS thinks that this man is Santa, who am I to argue.

If SFOTerry says this is a good wine, I believe him. :D

My wine guy was so ecstatic he literally said "whatever they bring will get blown out the water." He also said to decanter it for an hour for the best result. I don't know what decantering a wine will do so I'll leave it up to you all.

See you at dinner.

P.S. Will be going solo as my date can't make it. :(

My wine guy was so ecstatic he literally said "whatever they bring will get blown out the water." He also said to decanter it for an hour for the best result. I don't know what decantering a wine will do so I'll leave it up to you all.

See you at dinner.

P.S. Will be going solo as my date can't make it. :(

Your wine guy is more schmooze than sincerity I am afraid. It will be very good but more promise than delivery at this age. Decant it and it will open up and reveal itself for what it will be in 10 years. :) I leave all analogies to your collective minds. :)

My wine guy was so ecstatic he literally said "whatever they bring will get blown out the water."

Your wine guy is funny.

OK -- I'm bringing a 2000 Travaglini Gattinara to the dinner!

Bonus bottle: 2009 ZAP (Zinfandel Advocates & Producers) Heritage Vineyard Zinfandel (http://www.zinfandel.org/uploads/2009HeritageVineyardZinfandelFactSheet.pdf)

I think we may need to be sitting near SFOTerry. :cool:

Bonus bottle: 2009 ZAP (Zinfandel Advocates & Producers) Heritage Vineyard Zinfandel (http://www.zinfandel.org/uploads/2009HeritageVineyardZinfandelFactSheet.pdf)

Bonus? That is a rather creative use of the word with that bottle. :-) Quite a range of wines to be consumed.

Somebody take notes please.



Careful what you wish for. :p

OK -- I'm bringing a 2000 Travaglini Gattinara to the dinner!
I drank the 2003 a couple of years ago. I hope you didn't pay $35 for this wine, unless it's a magnum.

I think we may need to be sitting near SFOTerry. :cool:

Better re-think your idea. red velvet cake. ;)

Dan, thank you for organizing the best Wine Do EVAR. (Well, I wasn't at 1 or 2). The location was excellent, the food and service were great, the wines were - well, the first time there wasn't a single one where I went "oh my, I wish I didn't taste this" - in fact the lowest common denominator was a "not bad" and the best - well, thank you for allowing us to share your special bottles. And the company was great.

There is a reason why this is the only "Do" that is on my "I don't want to miss this" list - I know it takes a lot of time and effort, and by the looks of everyone there, we all not only appreciate your effort, but thoroughly enjoy ourselves.

And to everyone who attended and what you brought, thank you. It was a pleasure to see you (and most of you, again) and it sure looks like a good time was had by all.

And by the time the last few stragglers left, all but "las ultimas gotas" remained, so your contributions did not go down the drain in vain. :D

I have the bottle in my hand. As always, I will read the entire label so you know what it is.

2008 Domaine Monpertuis Châteauneuf-du-Pape E.A.R.L Vignettes Paul Jeune
14% Alcohol. I am going to love this wine.

And how did that compare with the fine Kirkland Shadow Nuf de Pup (nv) that jackal brought?;)

And how did that compare with the fine Kirkland Shadow Nuf de Pup (nv) that jackal brought?;)

Both of them were excellent. The CDP was my favorite red by with the Donkey and goat 2nd. Just an awesome time seeing so many old friends and meeting a few new faces.

Dan
Once again a wonderful time with good wines, good food and reconnecting with people I only see at this do. This is a definitely don't miss for my girls and I. Looking forward to next year. Thanks again:)

And how did that compare with the fine Kirkland Shadow Nuf de Pup (nv) that jackal brought?;)

:rolleyes:

Both of them were excellent. The CDP was my favorite red by with the Donkey and goat 2nd. Just an awesome time seeing so many old friends and meeting a few new faces.

The CdP was not my contribution, although I agree it was quite nice.

Mine was a Veuve Clicquot. :)

It was, once again, a totally amazing night.

As always, the most telling part of what a good time it must have been was was people poke their head through the curtain into the private room with a look of "I don't know what's going on in there, but everybody looks like they are having a blast"

There was not a single wine that I had (and I tasted I believe all but one or two of them) that I would not serve at home for a party. They were all good.

This year's event had such a range of wines, something for everybody.


Wine that smelled like bananas, which was actually quite good.
Older stuff from the 60's that would open as the night went on
The white Chateauneuf, which if you asked me to list the best whites I've ever had, it would be on the top three or five
The 12 year old Nebbiolo, a grape I love, but have never had a chance to have it after it's aged a few years. Without knowing what it was I would never have guessed what it was
Four totally different sparklings (actually think they were all champagnes). One with a wonderful peach flavor but still on the dry side, another very dry classic, and one magic one that had these big bubbles that disappeared as soon as it hit the pallet leaving the very clean crisp (really no yeast at all) flavor. And of course the ever wonderful Veuve Clicquot.
For a few years or so I have been a huge fan of one of the bottles that was there, but have never strayed from the 2003 vintage, because in part we were in the vineyards in france that year tasting the grapes on the vines. Trying the 1989 last night let me know that should I buy some more, I really need to put some down for the long term
The contrast between the range of wines, from the 1969(?) Cheval Blanc, very mellow and smooth, the fruit long converted into delicate flavor layers you have to taste with both your tongue and mind to pull out of the wine, to the modern in your face Zin, the comparison between the 2002 and the 2007 Eloges from Anderson Conn Valley, there was something for everybody.
What's better than Key Lime Pie and Ice Wine?
Wine from Israel, France, Austria, California, Walla Walla Washington, Canada (a really surprising Pinot no less, a wonderful light bright color for a pinot), and probably a few other places I'm leaving out.


There was certainly something for everybody with the wide range of wines available.

The food wonderful the service great, with the exception of some cork butchering because I don't think they have ever dealt with some of the older corks and of course wonderful company.

I think everybody left happy and even more important I think everybody left with a bit more knowledge about one wine or the other, something they need to find, etc.

I will tell a quick story about the white Chateauneuf for those who took pictures of the label to hunt down.

When it was offered to us by a rep at one of the places we occasionally buy wine from, it was on a futures basis, where you order the wine before it's bottled. It's a gamble as you don't usually know what it will be like unless you happen to have gone to the winery to taste it out of the barrel. We were buying blind in this case.

Over the time from when it was bottled and released it started getting incredible ratings from the various people. Each good rating and the price increased. Eventually to the point where now it is selling for four or five times what we paid for it. That's pure profit on the resellers they buy at a set price long before it ends up in the bottle but the moral of the story is don't hesitate. If you find something you like you need to commit if the price is good.

Speaking of wines that have may have appreciated in value, another one of the ones we enjoyed last night. Just came across this offer to sell from a couple weeks ago


1989 Paul Jaboulet Hermitage La Chapelle
33 btls available
Sale Price: $229/btl

WA 96

"This fabulous, blockbuster has been totally unevolved since bottling, but at the Jaboulet tasting, it was beginning to reveal some of its formidable potential. A saturated opaque purple color is followed by aromas of cassis, minerals, and hot bricks/wood fire. Super-ripe and full-bodied, with a massive mid-section, teeth-staining extract, and mouth-searing tannin, it is a monster-sized La Chapelle."-Robert Parker, 2000

Franny and I had a great time last night and would like to thank Dan for all of his efforts in putting everything together and also thank everybody who was there for bringing such interesting stuff for us to get a sniff of. It really was fun.

Mine was a Veuve Clicquot. :)That works^^

Franny and I had a great time last night and would like to thank Dan for all of his efforts in putting everything together and also thank everybody who was there for bringing such interesting stuff for us to get a sniff of. It really was fun.

Indeed. Now that she knows how much fun these Dos are, Franny wants itsaboutthejourney to know that he should be indebted to her for giving up her seat to him two years ago. ;)

That works^^

I only subject you to the Kirkland stuff. I bring out the good stuff when you're not around. :p

Indeed. Now that she knows how much fun these Dos are, Franny wants itsaboutthejourney to know that he should be indebted to her for giving up her seat to him two years ago. ;)



I only subject you to the Kirkland stuff. I bring out the good stuff when you're not around. :p

itsboutthejourney is not the only one that is forever indebted to Franny.:)

I seem to recall a Kirkland Select dinner which we put together a couple of years ago. 5 or 6 different bottles of Costco's finest were consumed, and, while not ever going to be served at the French Laundry, all in attendance felt they were happy with the juice. Your "Shadow":D is from that period. It will be interesting to see how well it has developed since then. We shall see in less than three weeks.

itsboutthejourney is not the only one that is forever indebted to Franny.:)

I seem to recall a Kirkland Select dinner which we put together a couple of years ago. 5 or 6 different bottles of Costco's finest were consumed, and, while not ever going to be served at the French Laundry, all in attendance felt they were happy with the juice. Your "Shadow":D is from that period. It will be interesting to see how well it has developed since then. We shall see in less than three weeks.

I'll take the Chateau Newfie da Pop that was served last night any day over my Costco juice resting nicely in your cellar, but I am still looking forward to another flight of Costco wines. ;)

The white CdP was surprisingly delicious. I rarely get excited by whites, but that is a white I would gladly drink.

Ditto, ditto, ditto.... (NO, I am NOT a Dittohead! :eek:)

Thanks, everyone!!!

North Square again next year? (I hope!)

Well, I hope to read all the tasting notes :)

Had some good ones in NOLA (took notes, need not worry). Had some great time on a 1929 trimotor (plane, not wine ;) )

Hopefully, next time!

Can you share a little about that very interesting Israeli wine? It was my first taste of any wine from the Middle East. ^

We were all amazed how HEAVY the bottle was!

Can you share a little about that very interesting Israeli wine? It was my first taste of any wine from the Middle East. ^

We were all amazed how HEAVY the bottle was!

Yes, it is HEAVY bottle indeed! I actually like the bottle (I had one that I used as a flower holder for a while). It shows an investment. The Cave 2003 was actually one of their very best. I am sad I got only 6 bottles at the time, but I am very happy this great group of people had the honor of having the last one.
I drank the wine in 2008, 2010 and in 2011 (I had an event in which the wine was popular and I had to take out two bottle in 2011). I gave one to a friend and his wife for their 30th anniversary. I liked it best in 2010 and 2011.

So, about the wine.

It's a single vintage wine, 65% cabernet sauvignon, and 35% merlot.
In terms of aging, the winery reports that the wine was aged for 26 months in French oak barrels and bottled in May 2006. [Then, it was further maturation period of five months in the bottle and tasted again before reaching the market... not that it matters to you, since it is now 2012...]. There were 15,000 bottles released, and a small set of them were Magnum and Double-Magnum.

I don't have my own tasting notes for this one from 2008. So, looking at the 2010 note (only one-two rows), I can tell you that I felt that the wine matured better, tasted the 'oak' (which I liked) and went very well with the dinner I had (nice aged steak...)

The winery itself is located on Horshan Mountain, in Northern/Central Israel
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The wineyard from which the grapes came from is located in the upper Galilee
between 620M-700M above sea level. I tried looking for a direct location on the map, but that was a bit hard.

The wine is, indeed, kosher (even strict kosher).

Some people reported that they prefer drinking it shortly after opening the bottle, and not wait for 15-20 minutes as other recommend. I am not sure about your decisions in the wine-DO, but it sounds like the wine was enjoyable and drinkable (I was concern because I do store it in a dry, dark and relatively constant low temprature at home, but I do not have a real cellar, nor even a real wine refrigirator...)

Indeed. Now that she knows how much fun these Dos are, Franny wants itsaboutthejourney to know that he should be indebted to her for giving up her seat to him two years ago. ;)


^^

Dan, thank you for organizing the best Wine Do EVAR... SNIP

And by the time the last few stragglers left, all but "las ultimas gotas" remained, so your contributions did not go down the drain in vain. :D
+1 to Dan for his efforts on our behalf.

I think my bottle had the most left when Dan & Violist & I left - I hope it was enjoyed by those who stuck around, as it was just as I remembered.

+1 to Dan for his efforts on our behalf.

I think my bottle had the most left when Dan & Violist & I left - I hope it was enjoyed by those who stuck around, as it was just as I remembered.

The "stragglers" (I was one of the last three) did justice to many of las ultimas gotas.

Where would we (the ones who could not make it) be able to find tasting notes and the full list of bottles consumed? (pretty please?)

Where would we (the ones who could not make it) be able to find tasting notes and the full list of bottles consumed? (pretty please?)

mjm has been after me to post my meager notes. I'll try to find a few minutes in the next few days.

The 20 of us had a great time. It's amazing that a couple of attendees flew in for WineDo 5. That's to my friend eastbay and luv + Megan for flying in.

DLroads, Your generousity was much appreciated. The champers was delicious. The Israeli wine was finally started towards the end of dinner. I've been drinking Israeli wine for several years, and some of it is actually drinkable these days. ;) FH, plenty of Israeli wine in the NY Metro area to sample.

We drank well, with little leftover wine. :eek:

My favorites were monitors Henry of Pelham and cordellis white CdP.

If we're to do WineDo 6 in a private room, we need to work hard to get to 20 people. The minimum is 24, but I got lucky (this time) and they reduced it to 20.

Ben and Priscilla worked seamlessly throughout the evening. ^ I did e mail the manager to let him know.

mjm has been after me to post my meager notes. I'll try to find a few minutes in the next few days.

The 20 of us had a great time. It's amazing that a couple of attendees flew in for WineDo 5. That's to my friend eastbay and luv + Megan for flying in.

DLroads, Your generousity was much appreciated. The champers was delicious. The Israeli wine was finally started towards the end of dinner. I've been drinking Israeli wine for several years, and some of it is actually drinkable these days. ;) FH, plenty of Israeli wine in the NY Metro area to sample.

We drank well, with little leftover wine. :eek:

My favorites were monitors Henry of Pelham and cordellis white CdP.

If we're to do WineDo 6 in a private room, we need to work hard to get to 20 people. The minimum is 24, but I got lucky (this time) and they reduced it to 20.

Ben and Priscilla worked seamlessly throughout the evening. ^ I did e mail the manager to let him know.

Glad you've enjoyed! saved me a spot for wine DO VI! Just don't schedule it between May 17-may 23, 2013, and I will be fine (annual professional meetings, I'll be out)
PA- monitor, feel free to fly a Henry of Pelham to Seattle. We can do a mini-DO there (maybe I'll fly something in as well...)

It was good to meet all of you and enjoy a gourmet dinner with great wines. In addition to the WineDo, I enjoyed some of the sights during my time in New York. Check out my trip report: http://stephentravels.blogspot.com/2012/06/new-york-june-2012.html

A few additional notes. Sorry, I really didn't go in to much detail this year.

I'm happy to say that participants of WineDo 5 tweaked it up a notch to make this dinner the best ever. Minimum bottle requirement was $35. We'll keep it at this level for next year. I'm not sure that I can deal with all the discussion again. ;) But hey... we did good.

Champagnes in the order they found me.

Beau Joie Betrand - nice bubbles. Lots of bubbles. Peachy. Enjoyable.

07 Brundlmayer Brut - Lots of bubbles. Different than the above. Funny, there were no bubbles on my tounge, then it went flat?:confused:

Bruno Paillard from Reims. Lighter color. Less bubbles than both of the above. Dry. Nutty. Creamat-ish. So far, this is the best champagne.

Vueve Clicquot Ponsardin Brut NV. Nutty. My #1 of the 4 champagnes. ^

Whites

'10 Mer Soleil silver unoaked chard from SLH. Enjoyable.

2007 Prager Riesling Smaragd Hollerin - Some minerals and just a little sweetness. Just what I expected from the producer. IMHO, this was the #2 white.

2006 Chateau de Beaucastle CdP Creamy golden color. Toffee nose. Full and rich. Yummy. It was the first empty bottle. Clearly the #1 white wine.

2010 Mercury Sauv Musque from the Alexander Valley in CA. This was a bonus wine, meaning it was a 2nd bottle from a participant. ;) This had a banana nose with an unusual taste.

I tasted the 2007 Savennieres Clos du Papillon. It was heavy but not heavy. Not to my liking.

2009 Antica Chard A little oaky. Not bad.

Reds

Battle of the 2002/2007 Eloge from Anderson Conn Valley in CA.
I thought the 2002 was a little musty. Everyone else felt otherwise.
The 07 Eloge was fuller and richer than the 02. Some heat that wore away. We popped and poured. The 02 was opened 90 minutes earlier. I thought the 07 was the #1 red.

The Cheval Blanc was almost 40 years old. It wasn't great, but it was more than drinkable. A classic. You couldn't afford to replace this wine today. It was made famous in the movie Sideways.

Donkey and Goat Syrah wasn't a heavy syrah. Pleasant surprise. It reminded me more of a California pinot noir.

1999 Ridge Syrah. This wasn't a heavy syrah either, Enjoyable.

1989 Herimatage. This wasn't in a dumb phase, as many of us were told to expect. :p

The CdP that we all made fun of upthread 08 Domaine Monpertuis Châteauneuf-du-Pape E.A.R.L Vignettes Paul Jeunewas actually enjoyable.

Sweet wines

2008 Patit Creek Semillon Ice Wine was very sweet. Like honey. Talk to 20 people, and 20 people will have different opinions on ice wine. This wasn't my style.

Henry of Pelham Riesling Icewine was incredible. I've tasted HoP in the past, and expected a real treat. It didn't disappoint. Hmmm. I wish you could have smelled the nose.

There were a couple of wines that I don't remember tasting; or, didn't write a note on. Not that these are notes. ;) :D

Thanks for the write up.

I'd swap the 1 and 2 for the whites, but they were really "time and place" wines for me - with a big piece of salmon with an appropriate sauce, I could have polished off a large glass* of the 2006 Chateau de Beaucastle CdP. As for the Prager, Kathy made a great find! :p I trust that if she comes next year I will also enjoy her selection.

(*you know, one of those 25 oz Riedel glasses, filled to the rim :D )

....As for the Prager, Kathy made a great find! :p I trust that if she comes next year I will also enjoy her selection....

:D

"Kathy" is an alias, of course. And BTW I enjoyed "my" find very much as well!!! :p

:D

"Kathy" is an alias, of course. And BTW I enjoyed "my" find very much as well!!! :p

At least you brought good juice two years in a row. ;) :p

At least you brought good juice two years in a row. ;) :p

I thought it was four years in a row.... but if not, you know whose fault it was!!! :p

Thanks for the write up.

I'd swap the 1 and 2 for the whites, but they were really "time and place" wines for me - with a big piece of salmon with an appropriate sauce, I could have polished off a large glass* of the 2006 Chateau de Beaucastle CdP. As for the Prager, Kathy made a great find! :p I trust that if she comes next year I will also enjoy her selection.

(*you know, one of those 25 oz Riedel glasses, filled to the rim :D )

Count me in for sure for the next one. I've gotten the bachelor party, wedding, and honeymoon all done. (In the process, lost so much good wine to so many good parties....oh that Martinelli Syrah).

dhammer - sorry I haven't been on the "other" site in a while.....

Is there another one of these coming up? I just moved to NY and would love to meet other people from Flyertalk around here!

Is there another one of these coming up? I just moved to NY and would love to meet other people from Flyertalk around here!
Franny and I have been thinking that an interim winter wine dinner at the place Dan first proposed last year, the Peking Duck House, would be just the ticket to kick off the holiday season.

Would sometime during the first half of December work?

Franny and I have been thinking that an interim winter wine dinner at the place Dan first proposed last year, the Peking Duck House, would be just the ticket to kick off the holiday season.

Would sometime during the first half of December work?

Yes! :)

(Unless I find a way to cheaply get the 12,800 miles I need for 1K that coincides exactly with the date you choose.)

Franny and I have been thinking that an interim winter wine dinner at the place Dan first proposed last year, the Peking Duck House, would be just the ticket to kick off the holiday season.

Would sometime during the first half of December work?

Works for me, too!:cool:

Yes! :)


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Monitor, it would be fun to have a mid-year WineDo. ^
I've attended several wine dinners at PDH with my friends from my wine bulletin board. ;)

Even though they say (whoever they are), pinot noir goes best with duck, I can tell you that champers and sweet wines are close seconds. Heck, my wine friends bring a hodgepodge of wines. :D

I'm in.

Chinese food of any description and wine is a bad starting place. Sorry. Anything to the contrary is just to be argumentative. Maybe chilled sherry but beyond that, the oil and spices kill the wine. There is a very good reason the kinds of food that developed where wine is made best developed the way they did.

And NY for a second wine Do in a year? Come on guys let try for something a little less handicapped in terms of decent wine options for those without cellars. May I be so bold as to suggest CA? It is after all the home of the best juice and much of the bet food in the US.

Late Dec. CA, I would love to join.

Come on guys let try for something a little less handicapped in terms of decent wine options for those without cellars. May I be so bold as to suggest CA? It is after all the home of the best juice and much of the bet food in the US.

Late Dec. CA, I would love to join.

Having spent a lot of time tasting CA wines, my opinion is that the quality has gone down as the price has gone up. The climate of most of the regions are producing wines that have been cooked by the sun before they ever see the press.

The food is top rate, but there are many, many wines a little to the north of CA that can and do beat the CA wines at a much more reasonable price.

Having spent a lot of time tasting CA wines, my opinion is that the quality has gone down as the price has gone up. The climate of most of the regions are producing wines that have been cooked by the sun before they ever see the press.

The food is top rate, but there are many, many wines a little to the north of CA that can and do beat the CA wines at a much more reasonable price.

Generalization much? The weather is but one factor. The viticulture is a bigger factor. And that is where much of Oregon and Washington fall down actually. The grapes, terroir and winemakers are not in alignment. CA has a significantly higher number of people who know what they are doing, possibly due to more people doing it though. I would say the various terroir in Oregon are going to be hard to beat in a few years (Pinot in its various permutations for sure) but they are still working towards that point.

Washington is simply lagging both OR and CA by a wide margin. Someday but not yet.

CA does suffer from some very unreasonable prices, grapes allowed to hang too long, and excessive science. But the last two of those negatives are not limited to CA, but rather the younger generation of viticulturists.

With the number of producers, testing of more areas of existing AVA such as Sonoma Coast, it is far too broad of a statement to make that CA wines have gone up in price and down in quality. With Screaming Eagle and Quintessa style wines, yes I agree. With much of the Pinot and Chardonnay it is simply not accurate to say that.

...Washington is simply lagging both OR and CA by a wide margin. Someday but not yet...But ever closer and closer to the point that some of the Bordeaux style blends produced up there are much to the taste of those of us who prefer their leaner, structured, and subdued characteristics to the fruitier style which, until lately, was most of what came out of Northern California.

But that is a discussion for another time and place and... Late Dec. CA, I would love to join....this certainly is worthy of discussion. Since I know little about such, perhaps mjm can make some suggestions. There are a number of active FTers out there who would certainly be interested in attending either in the City or up in the wine country. Get it going and we will be there.
Chinese food of any description and wine is a bad starting place. Sorry. Anything to the contrary is just to be argumentative. Maybe chilled sherry but beyond that, the oil and spices kill the wine. There is a very good reason the kinds of food that developed where wine is made best developed the way they did....There obviously is some disagreement here but, as mentioned, this also is a topic of discussion for another time and place.

So let those of us who are following this thread try to come up with a good date for the Peking Duck House wine dinner in early December before we create a thread here. The possible dates, due to certain fixed travel schedules, are December 3-5 or 15-16. We would be OK with any of those five days.

Post your thoughts on the date right here.

So let those of us who are following this thread try to come up with a good date for the Peking Duck House wine dinner in early December before we create a thread here. The possible dates, due to certain fixed travel schedules, are December 3-5 or 15-16. We would be OK with any of those five days.

Post your thoughts on the date right here.

I believe +1 and I would be available any of those dates. I would personally prefer it not be on a weeknight, but can be flexible.

But ever closer and closer to the point that some of the Bordeaux style blends produced up there are much to the taste of those of us who prefer their leaner, structured, and subdued characteristics to the fruitier style which, until lately, was most of what came out of Northern California.

But that is a discussion for another time and place and... ...this certainly is worthy of discussion. Since I know little about such, perhaps mjm can make some suggestions. There are a number of active FTers out there who would certainly be interested in attending either in the City or up in the wine country. Get it going and we will be there.
There obviously is some disagreement here but, as mentioned, this also is a topic of discussion for another time and place.

So let those of us who are following this thread try to come up with a good date for the Peking Duck House wine dinner in early December before we create a thread here. The possible dates, due to certain fixed travel schedules, are December 3-5 or 15-16. We would be OK with any of those five days.

Post your thoughts on the date right here.

Always amused by the assertion about WA wines. Wishful thinking still I am afraid. OR just quietly makes so seriously awesome Pinots and a selection of truly splendid whites too.

Quicelda Creek for example? Ha! a flabby oaky disaster of a wine. As bad as Screaming Eagle. Only a R. Parker could like that stuff. I think that again the characterization of CA wines is highly inaccurate but unless you guys come and taste them you will maintain the opinion they are all made by Opus or Caymus. A pity really. But I think it is worth noting that CA has a significantly more developed wine production scene and that to posit that WA cabs a I am very sure nobody thinks OR is a Cab (i.e. Bordeaux blend basis) producing state.

Have a Canadian acquaintance here in Tokyo that thinks Canada makes wine worth comparing to both Europe and the West Coast.

As for Chinese food and wine, no there is no disagreement. It is simply not wine food. People may offer other opinions but they would be wrong. Pairing wines is so much more than individual tastes after all.

I think we should drink to the strengths of the region. In my mind the Pinots an Chards are some of the best of CA these days. Plus it is easier to drink a lot of as opposed to Cab.

Somewhere in the City would be grand as far as I am concerned. Getting up to wine country is a hike if we are flying in for a dinner.

The last week of Dec. is great so anytime then that is good for you guys.

Washington is simply lagging both OR and CA by a wide margin. Someday but not yet.



http://www.sfgate.com/wine/wineselections/article/Washington-s-reds-find-a-sweet-spot-3831847.php

Not to take this too far OT (but I just did), mjm, you might enjoy this article.

As far as Chinese food and wine, I recently had an unforgettable experience @ HKG. Not in a good way, but in a "story I'll never forget" way.

As for Chinese food and wine, no there is no disagreement. It is simply not wine food. People may offer other opinions but they would be wrong. Pairing wines is so much more than individual tastes after all.


Aha! A personal attack against millions of people. But I suppose truth is an affirmative defense. :D

So let those of us who are following this thread try to come up with a good date for the Peking Duck House wine dinner in early December before we create a thread here. The possible dates, due to certain fixed travel schedules, are December 3-5 or 15-16. We would be OK with any of those five days.

Post your thoughts on the date right here.

I could potentially do any of those dates, but may prefer Dec. 15-16. I will defer to others!:)

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So let those of us who are following this thread try to come up with a good date for the Peking Duck House wine dinner in early December before we create a thread here. The possible dates, due to certain fixed travel schedules, are December 3-5 or 15-16. We would be OK with any of those five days.

Post your thoughts on the date right here.
The weekend works much better for me that time of year, with Saturday the 15th being easiest for me. If it doesn't work out that way I'll do my best to attend...

http://www.sfgate.com/wine/wineselections/article/Washington-s-reds-find-a-sweet-spot-3831847.php

Not to take this too far OT (but I just did), mjm, you might enjoy this article.

As far as Chinese food and wine, I recently had an unforgettable experience @ HKG. Not in a good way, but in a "story I'll never forget" way.

I liked this line:

"we encountered bottle after bottle that had a combo too often sadly elusive in California: an immediate sense of pleasure and the potential to grow and mature with age."

Scratching my head about what the Washingtonian wine was that won the Taste of Paris. Or which WA wine was represented at all. In the second time around several years later even.

As I say, their wanting it to be so does not make it so. Time, not passion, creates the reputation they seek. Patience is necessary.

So on to the question of a California wine dinner. Surely it makes more sense than NY? Come on out folks, I am traveling 5124 miles to get there. Jump on a transcon and join me. :-)

I believe +1 and I would be available any of those dates. I would personally prefer it not be on a weeknight, but can be flexible.

Looking forward to seeing Mr. and Mrs FH on December 15/16.




As for Chinese food and wine, no there is no disagreement. It is simply not wine food. People may offer other opinions but they would be wrong. Pairing wines is so much more than individual tastes after all.



The featured dish will be Peking Duck. Don't you think a good pinot works? I've been to wine dinners at PDH with my wine friends... and they bring the kitchen sink. Those are people in the know. :p

I am traveling 5124 miles to get there.
Riders on the BRT will recognize 5124 as my boyhood home address.

The featured dish will be Peking Duck. Don't you think a good pinot works?

Oh silly Dan, is there anything a good pinot doesn't work with besides Drano on toast?

Looking forward to seeing Mr. and Mrs FH on December 15/16.

The featured dish will be Peking Duck. Don't you think a good pinot works? I've been to wine dinners at PDH with my wine friends... and they bring the kitchen sink. Those are people in the know. :p

Riders on the BRT will recognize 5124 as my boyhood home address.

No, it does not work. Hoisin sauce and greasy duck, dominate the palate and do not allow the Pinot to accentuate the food. 3 years in China, and a passing familiarity with wine, trust me, this is non-starter.

People who enjoy wine will find any occasion to drink it so based on what I have seen of the Berserker dinners pictures at PDH, the eclectic selection of wine and the people standing around instead of sitting, I think they are there for the wine, company, limited corkage fee and volume of food. They are not there for the pairing of the wine and Chinese food. Nobody who knows wine does that. NB: Duck and wine is gorgeous, but must be prepared in a way that the flavors mingle with the wine rather than dominate it.

NB: Duck and wine is gorgeous, but must be prepared in a way that the flavors mingle with the wine rather than dominate it.

Recommendation please?

Recommendation please?

duck a l'orange, simple roasted duck, BBQed (as in slowly cooked on a Weber sans sauce), etc.

The North Square Duck from the last visit (not the wine do) and the Riesling we had that night was an incredible pairing, with the sauce of the duck picking up all the fruit of the wine.

I make a duck and mushroom dish that's pretty much duck poached in wine for hours on end, it's great with wine. If I get a flush of the shitakes this fall I know where I'm getting the duck

The North Square Duck from the last visit (not the wine do) and the Riesling we had that night was an incredible pairing, with the sauce of the duck picking up all the fruit of the wine.

I make a duck and mushroom dish that's pretty much duck poached in wine for hours on end, it's great with wine. If I get a flush of the shitakes this fall I know where I'm getting the duck

Mmm... Riesling. With two trips to Austria this summer I have re-fallen in love with this wine.

Recommendation please?

duck a l'orange, simple roasted duck, BBQed (as in slowly cooked on a Weber sans sauce), etc.

No. Not preparation. :D What's your professional opinion of which wine works best with Peking Duck? We know how you feel, but suggest a wine or wines that would taste good with PD. Humor the non-expert crowd. :p

No. Not preparation. :D What's your professional opinion of which wine works best with Peking Duck? We know how you feel, but suggest a wine or wines that would taste good with PD. Humor the non-expert crowd. :p

Cold beer. I would not waste good wine on Chinese food. If I were going to drink wine with something Chinese I would go a bit spicier and bring a nice chilled sherry, both light and amber varieties.

Riders on the BRT will recognize 5124 as my boyhood home address.

Riders with good memories. That does not describe me. :o

Is there another one of these coming up? I just moved to NY and would love to meet other people from Flyertalk around here!

Would attend if in Manhattan.

mjm is having fun with this group. Narrow POV, but fun to read never the less.

Dec. is out for me. Early next year will be my next visit to NYC.

Have fun all!!

mjm is having fun with this group. Narrow POV, but fun to read never the less.

Dec. is out for me. Early next year will be my next visit to NYC.

Have fun all!!

Having fun, well actually I am amused, if that is the same thing. Not narrow, accurate. But that is how I roll. :)

Having fun, well actually I am amused, if that is the same thing. Not narrow, accurate. But that is how I roll. :)

22-16. I'm prepared to cut you some slack for 2 more days. ;)

Always amused by the assertion about WA wines. Wishful thinking still I am afraid. OR just quietly makes so seriously awesome Pinots and a selection of truly splendid whites too.

Quicelda Creek for example? Ha! a flabby oaky disaster of a wine. As bad as Screaming Eagle. Only a R. Parker could like that stuff. I think that again the characterization of CA wines is highly inaccurate but unless you guys come and taste them you will maintain the opinion they are all made by Opus or Caymus. A pity really. But I think it is worth noting that CA has a significantly more developed wine production scene and that to posit that WA cabs a I am very sure nobody thinks OR is a Cab (i.e. Bordeaux blend basis) producing state.

Have a Canadian acquaintance here in Tokyo that thinks Canada makes wine worth comparing to both Europe and the West Coast.

As for Chinese food and wine, no there is no disagreement. It is simply not wine food. People may offer other opinions but they would be wrong. Pairing wines is so much more than individual tastes after all.

I think we should drink to the strengths of the region. In my mind the Pinots an Chards are some of the best of CA these days. Plus it is easier to drink a lot of as opposed to Cab.

Somewhere in the City would be grand as far as I am concerned. Getting up to wine country is a hike if we are flying in for a dinner.

The last week of Dec. is great so anytime then that is good for you guys.

Just stick with Sonoma (Green or Russian River Valley) and you'll never go back to the inflated Napa pricing (except for V. Arroyo or Lava). I think comparing California to Oregon is unfair if we go Napa v. Willamette. And Washington is only good due to the bargains one gets for very solid wine (Mark Ryan, Delille and Januik are exceptions there). But even Willamette has the hyper-inflated Domaine Serene.

I've visited Oregon eight times this year already (the infamous LGA-PDX MRs), and California three times, if folks want specific winery thoughts.

Having fun, well actually I am amused, if that is the same thing. Not narrow, accurate. But that is how I roll. :)I guess that we will need to get him a bottle of the Col Solare or a Protagonist next month when we are out there and let him roll that stuff with some of his Napa bombalinos when he invites us to his wine dinner in San Francisco or Oaktown. :cool:...Dec. is out for me.... And what do you mean that Dec is out for you? Last I heard AS goes up and down the west coast hourly.

Meanwhile it appears that this crowd really would like the NYC winter wine dinner to happen on December 15. That means it is time to try to find a place that wants the likes of us on a Saturday night. Stay tuned.

And what do you mean that Dec is out for you? Last I heard AS goes up and down the west coast hourly.I spent time this summer re-tracing some of our stops from the Sideways DO and visited some new places along the way. I also spent time over Labor Day weekend with my daughter who lives in Agoura Hills, outside of LA. We spent a day visiting several places, so I've done my CA stops for this year.

If you wanted to wait until January, I would be interested.

Also, I don't need more miles in the bank in '12. I will need all the help I can get in '13.

I am a (very slight) possible for Saturday Dec. 15 for another wine dinner in NYC. Depends on the availability of a cheap airfare.

I would much prefer a Saturday or Sunday night in the Bay Area (including wine country) in Nov./Dec.! :p

I find the Peking Duck + wine debate fascinating! How about a light, crisp Sauvignon Blanc to contrast with (rather than compete with) the rather greasy hoisin-sauced PD?

I am a (very slight) possible for Saturday Dec. 15 for another wine dinner in NYC. Depends on the availability of a cheap airfare.

I would much prefer a Saturday or Sunday night in the Bay Area (including wine country) in Nov./Dec.! :p

I find the Peking Duck + wine debate fascinating! How about a light, crisp Sauvignon Blanc to contrast with (rather than compete with) the rather greasy hoisin-sauced PD?The logistics for NYC depend on the availability of a suitable venue.

The logistics for SFO depends on mjm.

And I agree a high acid wine like maybe the Sauvignon Blanc can work with such dishes as the duck and hoisin.

22-16. I'm prepared to cut you some slack for 2 more days. ;)

Now that is just mean. :)

I find the Peking Duck + wine debate fascinating! How about a light, crisp Sauvignon Blanc to contrast with (rather than compete with) the rather greasy hoisin-sauced PD?

Kathy,
I find hoisin sauce, fat, and rich flavors are tough with SB. I prefer herbal accented dishes, salads, shellfish even, or possibly very bland (somewhat fatty is fine if a fish) with SB. The duck would not be right.

I guess that we will need to get him a bottle of the Col Solare or a Protagonist next month when we are out there and let him roll that stuff with some of his Napa bombalinos when he invites us to his wine dinner in San Francisco or Oaktown.

Well I am not entirely sure I know what a Bombalino is, but if I were to pick a Napa wine that were a bit restrained yet to pour it might be a Ch. Montelena Estate or a ACV estate Cab. Both will get softer over the years, but are terrific when young. Had Stags Leap Cask 23 from the late 90’s recently, and wow!

I am curious to try these young wineries’ you suggest, as I am always curious about wine. I wonder though if they really are ready to step out on the stage yet. The ratings I see show them to be full of promise, but as yet lacking on performance.


Just stick with Sonoma (Green or Russian River Valley) and you'll never go back to the inflated Napa pricing ….

I would agree for great Chards and many Pinots, but one cannot find great Cab in Sonoma but can indeed in Napa. Horses for courses basically.


Date for a dinner in the City: 12/30 would be a great day.

it might be a Ch. Montelena Estate.Really?? I visited the winery last July and found nothing that impressed. Perhaps someone has been "Bottle Shock"ed....:eek:

Really?? I visited the winery last July and found nothing that impressed. Perhaps someone has been "Bottle Shock"ed....:eek:

Could not find anything at a winery that produces the Chard. that won the Taste of Paris? Really. Need to rethink your plate a bit I would say.

The Estate Cab. is also widely known as a great example of a time capable CA cab. Again, palate refinement may be in order. It does take time. Keep exploring and tasting. :)

...Date for a dinner in the City: 12/30 would be a great day.Start a thread when you have a time and place and put me down +1.

Start a thread when you have a time and place and put me down +1.

Roger that sir.

Could not find anything at a winery that produces the Chard. that won the Taste of Paris? Really. Need to rethink your plate a bit I would say.

The Estate Cab. is also widely known as a great example of a time capable CA cab. Again, palate refinement may be in order. It does take time. Keep exploring and tasting. :)

It could be that the OP was not impressed with anything - maybe expected too much from them?

I would agree for great Chards and many Pinots, but one cannot find great Cab in Sonoma but can indeed in Napa. Horses for courses basically.


Date for a dinner in the City: 12/30 would be a great day.

Fair enough. But I never like drinking too many cabs on my wine benders. Kills the palate. I do make an exception when going to Phelps.

The logistics for NYC depend on the availability of a suitable venue.

The logistics for SFO depends on mjm.

And I agree a high acid wine like maybe the Sauvignon Blanc can work with such dishes as the duck and hoisin.

I would highly recommend trying to stay out of NYC for Saturday night December dinners. That's the "preferred" weekend for big holiday parties who want to avoid December 22nd.

Then again, I live in NJ, and could go any day to the city. So I'm a bit biased...but still....

Could not find anything at a winery that produces the Chard. that won the Taste of Paris? Really. Need to rethink your plate a bit I would say.

The Estate Cab. is also widely known as a great example of a time capable CA cab. Again, palate refinement may be in order. It does take time. Keep exploring and tasting. :)

The Estate Cab is currently selling for $142.50 per 750 bottle on their website. Not exactly an everyday drinker.......However if you have a spare bottle to send me, I'll give you my address.

and I have spent many years refining my palate all over the world.