If you book on that site the flights will have IATA code I2, if
you book on the iberia site they will have the IB code.
Whatever that means for earning miles/Avios is anybody's guess.
They will launch 4 international routes and 2 domestic ones to begin with
more in Spanish here
http://www.eleconomista.es/interstitial/volver/jeepbw/empresas-finanzas/noticias/3650795/01/12/La-huelga-no-acobarda-a-Iberia-y-lanza-su-low-cost-con-codigo-de-vuelo-propio.html
and here
http://www.lavozdigital.es/cadiz/v/20120119/jerez/iberia-express-negocia-aterrizaje-20120119.html
Según explicó el diputado, «podríamos hablar de hasta dos en España, que podrían ser Galicia o País Vasco y al menos cuatro en Europa». Sánchez mencionó como posibles destinos Berlín, Brujas, Londres y París.
KIXJNB
Feb 8, 12, 1:20 am
How are the three different brands differentiated, I wonder...
Iberia mainline, alright
Vueling, low-cost (but usually also with IB codeshare - sometimes the same time slot gets operated by IB, sometimes VY, e.g. Berlin...)
IberiaExpress - "the airline with the cheaper flights"
Is there more to it than being a tool to torture the trade unions?
Confused:confused:
Koby
Feb 9, 12, 5:18 am
How are the three different brands differentiated, I wonder...
Iberia mainline, alright
Vueling, low-cost (but usually also with IB codeshare - sometimes the same time slot gets operated by IB, sometimes VY, e.g. Berlin...)
IberiaExpress - "the airline with the cheaper flights"
Is there more to it than being a tool to torture the trade unions?
Confused:confused:
I have been asking myself the same question.
The way I see it: Vueling used to be (at least for the Iberia part) Clickair, which was Iberia's plan to get out of El Prat (BCN) and leave those pesty Catalans with low cost flights only. :)
And I think they now start IB Express to also move part of their MAD operations to a low cost model. (I assume they cannot simply move them to Vueling, for legal and other reasons.)
Just my guess, as I have no inside knowledge.
Hannibal Lecter
Feb 9, 12, 4:01 pm
IberiaExpress, same thing as Iberia but pilots and crew with lower salaries.:-)
Iberia doesn't own more than 49% of Vueling maybe that is why they decided to
start a new company, in addition IBEXP will have 2 classes.
Thanks to Spanairs bankruptcy they are certainly in a position to pick and choose, this article says that 3400 pilots has applied
IberiaExpress, same thing as Iberia but pilots and crew with lower salaries.:-)
You might be right, because I don't really see any difference for the passengers. They will still have a Business class, and Economy on IB is already as basic as it gets right now.
more4less
Feb 12, 12, 11:26 am
Economy on IB is already as basic as it gets right now.
which cannot be more...
Hannibal Lecter
Mar 8, 12, 2:27 pm
This is supposed to be the first plane, a 20 year old A320 which has been renovated (or at least re-painted ;) )
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/484/capturadepantalla201203xb.pnghttp://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7307/capturadepantalla201203y.png
IB is almost a budget airline with the fact that you have to pay for a glass of water on board the plane for EU trips under 3 hours.
I2 require you to pay for luggage ...
I do not like neither IB nor I2. Both a little better than complete rubbish.
Koby
Mar 24, 12, 8:24 pm
I do not like neither IB nor I2. Both a little better than complete rubbish.
^ +1
Couldn't have said it better myself. :D
jonnye
Mar 25, 12, 8:08 am
So when will we know for sure if this will be confirmed 2-class aircraft? I just spent a whole lot of $$ booking our family vacation to southern Spain for the summer in Business (x5) and i'm a little worried to see my connecting flights (albeit 55min with economy seating / middle seat blocked) turn into an 'EasyJet' style stampede.
(After reading Press Release (http://es.oneworld.com/news-information/oneworldnews/details/?objectID=28746)from OneWorld - it answered my above question)
Also - do we know if there's a change to the Avios earning structure on these flights? I know it’s only 20TPs (BAEC) each way - but every TP counts!
:confused:
colmc
Mar 25, 12, 12:54 pm
If booked with an IB code, TP's will be just as they would be with Iberia "proper"
asterion
Mar 25, 12, 9:00 pm
[QUOTE=Hannibal Lecter;18162222]...
it could be worse... They could have used the older MD-80s instead
Hannibal Lecter
Mar 28, 12, 12:18 am
The site is live now, the prices are low there's supposed to be some kind
of introductory offer, and it says that you will earn Avios with Iberia
but nothing about TPs and Avios with other airlines...
However, as a difference to Vueling this airlines is a member of OW
http://www.iberiaexpress.com/en/?language=en
anngi
Mar 28, 12, 8:06 pm
The prices aren't that low on the routes they have priced so far.
Higher pricing than Vueling.
Hannibal Lecter
Apr 5, 12, 6:11 am
Here's on significant difference
Pitch in Iberia Express business class will be 30in whereas mainline is 34in. Economy has 28in of pitch whereas mainline has 31in.
Pitch in Iberia Express business class will be 30in whereas mainline is 34in. Economy has 28in of pitch whereas mainline has 31in.
28 in Economy! :eek: Wow... that hurts (yes, literally)... :(
Hannibal Lecter
Apr 6, 12, 4:45 am
I made a dummy booking on iberia.com, MAD-ALC return,
it looks like you will have to pay for luggage even if the flight
has an IB code, and there seems to be no exception for IB Plus elites :td:
Flight IB
Operated by Iberia Express
Baggage
In hold: On payment
JDiver
Apr 6, 12, 3:26 pm
As for American Airliners, those wishing to credit IB and affiliate flights to AAdvantage can check this page (http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/earnMiles/travel/airlines/iberia.jsp).
As of Jan 1 2011:
Earn miles when flying on Iberia marketed and operated flights for travel on an eligible published fare ticket. Miles are also earned on Iberia codeshare flights operated by oneworld carriers and oneworld affiliates.
Travel on Iberia and affiliate airlines counts toward qualifying for AAdvantage elite status membership.
oneworld Affiliate Airlines
Air Nostrum
Iberia Express
1) Iberia Flights between Spain and the U.S./Puerto Rico and Mexico
Travel on/after January 1, 2011 ALL published fare classes earn at least 100% Base / Elite Qualifying miles.
2) On all other Iberia flights other than in 1) F, C, D, I, J, R and Y earn 1 Base / Elite Qualfying mile flown (and 1.5 Elite Qualifying Points per base mile); Discount Economy B, H, K, L, M, Q, V, W, Z, A earn 60% EQM and 1 EQP per mile awarded; Deep Discount Economy G, N, O, P, S, E earn 60% of miles and 0.5 points per mile awarded.
3) Minimum mileage guarantee for travel on flights under 500 miles (minimum of 500 miles for shorter flights, but EQP are calculated on fare class flown and actual distance flown).
Additional elite status bonus miles for AAdvantage Executive Platinum and
AAdvantage Platinum members and AAdvantage Gold members (status bonus redeemable miles are awarded).
**Includes travel on Iberia Express effective March 25, 2012
Hannibal Lecter
Apr 7, 12, 4:06 am
As for American Airliners, those wishing to credit IB and affiliate flights to AAdvantage can check this page (http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/earnMiles/travel/airlines/iberia.jsp).
**Includes travel on Iberia Express effective March 25, 2012
Even if it doesn't says so it's highly unlikely you'll earn anything if the flight code is I2, you won't earn anything with BAEC
Executive Club Members cannot collect Avios or Tier Points on flights sold under Iberia Express I2 code
http://www.iberiaexpress.com/en/?BV_SessionID=@@@@1094087752.1333064922@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccejadfgfmhegdfcfngcfkmdfhmdfln.0&language=en
Avios cannot be redeemed on flights operated by Iberia Express.
Concerto
Apr 7, 12, 3:46 pm
But we can collect on Iberia's programme, right, for flights on Iberia Express with the I2 code?
Akiestar
Apr 14, 12, 2:16 am
IB is almost a budget airline with the fact that you have to pay for a glass of water on board the plane for EU trips under 3 hours.
I flew LIS-MAD on IB last Tuesday and asked for a glass of water. I wasn't charged a cent.
I flew LIS-MAD on IB last Tuesday and asked for a glass of water. I wasn't charged a cent.
Unless it was 'tap' water?
Last time I flew them in 2009 the information page in onboard magazine states very clearly that you will be charged for soft drinks including water for flights less than 3 hours. Since then I never flew them again.
intub8r
May 12, 12, 2:40 pm
Hi all, I am new to this board and typically a UA/*A flyer, but I have to book some domestic trips within Spain this summer and would like to ask for help.
Specifically, we are flying MAD-SVQ (Sevilla)-MAD on June 4-14.
The IB website gives me many options at all different price points. I know the ones marked "Express" are operated by Iberia Express, with all of its caveats.
Here are my questions:
1. Is there a way to tell in advance (before purchasing the ticket) if the flight will be marked as IB or I2? Does that make a difference for earning miles on AA? (It seems according to the post above that it does not.)
2. Is there a way to tell what fare bucket the ticket is booking into?
3. Truly, is there no baggage allowance for even one checked bag on Iberia Express? What about for oneworld elites? I am hoping to be ExPlat on AA (OW Emerald) by the time we fly. Will that make a difference?
Thank you in advance for your help!
Hannibal Lecter
May 12, 12, 2:55 pm
Hi all, I am new to this board and typically a UA/*A flyer, but I have to book some domestic trips within Spain this summer and would like to ask for help.
Specifically, we are flying MAD-SVQ (Sevilla)-MAD on June 4-14.
The IB website gives me many options at all different price points. I know the ones marked "Express" are operated by Iberia Express, with all of its caveats.
Here are my questions:
1. Is there a way to tell in advance (before purchasing the ticket) if the flight will be marked as IB or I2? Does that make a difference for earning miles on AA? (It seems according to the post above that it does not.)
2. Is there a way to tell what fare bucket the ticket is booking into?
3. Truly, is there no baggage allowance for even one checked bag on Iberia Express? What about for oneworld elites? I am hoping to be ExPlat on AA (OW Emerald) by the time we fly. Will that make a difference?
Thank you in advance for your help!
If you book on http://www.iberia.com/ it'll be like a normal Iberia flight with IB code.
If you book on http://www.iberiaexpress.com/en/ the flight will get a useless I2 flightcode= no miles, pay for luggage and seat selection.
intub8r
May 14, 12, 10:38 am
Thank you! Ticketed yesterday onto 075- ticket stock, which from everything I could find indicates Iberia. Does I2 have different ticket number? Also, seats were assigned by the computer in advance.
Do you think that oneworld status will allow me to get any bag fees waived?
DevilsX
May 14, 12, 8:06 pm
I flew ATL-BRU last month on 4 segments with AA (ATL-LGA, then JFK-BRU, coming back the opposite way). The JFK-BRU segment was codeshare for Iberia and I had to do a missing mileage credit request. I flew economy and got about 3K for the IB segment and 5K for all the other AA segments. Hope this helps.
smcaro
May 17, 12, 12:56 pm
Vueling Iberia Codeshare AND no avios on Ba! So beware...
I booked Iberia flight on their web and the plane was Vueling. For near complete rubbish airlines ( IB, I2 and VY), it didn't matter, but then BA exec club refused me Avios on an IB coded plane, for the Vueling lap... So there you are, I guess IAG is not what it should be yet.
Also a BA Gold does not get a second bag free as IB plus passengers do....
chongcao
May 25, 12, 12:13 am
To Iberia group of airlines:
You are the best prove of there is never the worst but ever worse
FormalHall
May 26, 12, 10:40 am
smcaro, can you confirm that an Iberia codeshare operated by vueling doesn't earn avios on BA? This isn't made very clear on their website. I believe a workaround could be to credit to an iberia plus account (which does accept vueling) and then transfer your avios 1:1 between iberia plus and BAEC, which is now apparently doable online.
Hannibal Lecter
Jun 9, 12, 2:54 pm
smcaro, can you confirm that an Iberia codeshare operated by vueling doesn't earn avios on BA? This isn't made very clear on their website. I believe a workaround could be to credit to an iberia plus account (which does accept vueling) and then transfer your avios 1:1 between iberia plus and BAEC, which is now apparently doable online.
Yup
Hannibal Lecter
Jun 9, 12, 2:55 pm
I've noticed that some routes will revert to Iberia, eg MAD-ALC end of october, wonder what that means?
maybe it's because they haven't updated the timetables.
george 3
Jun 12, 12, 8:04 pm
28 in Economy! :eek: Wow... that hurts (yes, literally)... :(
Damn right it hurts. I almost had to get off a Venice-Barcelona flight last summer. Fortunately, an exit row seat opened up, otherwise, I could not fit my legs (I'm 6'5") anywhere. Vueling = Grueling.
ESpen36
Jul 8, 12, 10:35 am
Flew AGP-MAD-JFK...first segment on IB Express, second segment on mainline IB. Cabin crew on the shorthaul segment had nametags that said "Iberia Express," but the drinks flowed freely in the main cabin. I don't remember if food was for sale.
Had to do a manual mileage request, but I eventually got miles for both segments. ^
george 3
Jul 25, 12, 11:43 am
Flew AGP-MAD-JFK...first segment on IB Express, second segment on mainline IB. Cabin crew on the shorthaul segment had nametags that said "Iberia Express," but the drinks flowed freely in the main cabin. I don't remember if food was for sale.
Had to do a manual mileage request, but I eventually got miles for both segments. ^
Everything was for sale on my GRX-MAD IBExpress flight last week. And for such a short hop, I don't think they made one sale nor did they expect to by the speed with which the cart was retired.
Hannibal Lecter
Nov 7, 12, 5:31 am
Iberia Express arbitration ‘back to square one' after court ruling
The Spanish High Court has overturned the original arbitration process that nominally ended the conflict between Iberia and pilots union SEPLA, saying it was technically flawed and should be restarted.
Reacting to the decision, SEPLA tells Flightglobal that the ruling "brings us back to square one" and that industrial action coordinated with other unions remains a likely outcome.
Its dispute with the Spanish flag carrier revolves around Iberia Express, a low-cost subsidiary set up by parent company International Airlines Group (IAG) last year to optimise Iberia's short-haul network and reduce operating costs.
The creation of Iberia Express prompted several days of strike action by SEPLA over pay and working conditions last winter.
In an effort to resolve the conflict, the Spanish government had appointed an arbitrator, Jaime Montalvo, to mediate between the parties. His ruling in May - which upheld the legality of creating Iberia Express but laid down certain conditions - was subsequently appealed by the airline.
Issuing its judgement on that appeal, the High Court now says the arbitration process was flawed because Iberia Express was not present at the hearing. The subsidiary should have been involved, magistrates say, because the arbitrator's decision affected its recruitment policy.
Iberia declined to comment on the latest developments, though a spokesperson says the High Court ruling is "in-line with" what Iberia Express had been pursuing.
Analysts believe restarting the arbitration process could ultimately benefit the parent company, because SEPLA is prohibited from staging strikes while mediation is underway. This creates scope for IAG to unilaterally push through restructuring at Iberia and Iberia Express.
The High Court says arbitration will restart after both parties have heard Iberia Express's arguments.
It emphasises that the root causes of the dispute remain an ongoing concern, adding that the current ruling does not by itself resolve the matter. A formal agreement over the establishment and operation of Iberia Express must still be reached, it says.
SEPLA says it still considers the creation of Iberia Express "illegal" and it questions whether Iberia's weak financial performance justifies the deep-rooted restructuring pursued by IAG.