TalkBoard Topics - Motion Passed: Close Toronto Subforum

Moved by kokonutz and seconded by nsx:

"The TalkBoard recommends that the Toronto subforum be eliminated and the threads therein be placed in the Canada forum."

This vote will close on February 20, 2012 at 4:31 pm or after all TalkBoard members have registered their vote, whichever comes first.

Per the TalkBoard Guidelines:

A motion shall pass if at least two-thirds of the yes or no votes cast by TalkBoard members are ‘yes’ and a majority of the total TalkBoard membership votes 'yes.'

The purpose of posting voting topics in the public TalkBoard Topics forum is to solicit member feedback on any motions that are up for a vote and to allow for comments after a vote is made. It is at the sole discretion of the individual TalkBoard members whether they choose to post in the public discussion thread, there being no requirement to do so.

So while there is already a thread and discussion on this general topic and it is safe to assume that TalkBoard members have reviewed that thread, this thread is about this specific motion.

Please feel free to post questions, comments or any other sort of feedback in this thread, or in the other discussion thread http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/1306930-question-does-toronto-really-need-its-own-sub-forum.html

Seems sensible, given the absence of people defending it.

I do believe that it is critical that when a forum proves itself to be under-utilized it be rolled up.

In this case, there is a convenient recipient of the existing threads. Given the posting history, the Canada forum will serve Toronto as well if not better than its own forum.

IMHO.

I do believe that it is critical that when a forum proves itself to be under-utilized it be rolled up.

In this case, there is a convenient recipient of the existing threads. Given the posting history, the Canada forum will serve Toronto as well if not better than its own forum.

I completely agree. Merge away, TB. ^

I completely agree. Merge away, TB. ^

Please be aware that, imho and if past is prologue, it will likely take a full 2 weeks for this decision to be announced one way or the other.

But I will stop posting in this thread when the outcome is no longer in doubt. :)

But I will stop posting in this thread when the outcome is no longer in doubt. :)A true rabble-rouser. ;)

Please be aware that, imho and if past is prologue, it will likely take a full 2 weeks for this decision to be announced one way or the other.

I am aware of the process involved and didn't think it would happen overnight but was merely stating my support for it happening in due course.

As someone who has been posting travel assistance to YYZ on a regular basis in the last few year I am sure that merging Toronto into rest of Canada will not be any problem like the London info being part of the UK thread.

I do believe that it is critical that when a forum proves itself to be under-utilized it be rolled up.

In this case, there is a convenient recipient of the existing threads. Given the posting history, the Canada forum will serve Toronto as well if not better than its own forum.

IMHO.I completely agree. Merge away, TB. ^Redux ^

I am aware of the process involved and didn't think it would happen overnight but was merely stating my support for it happening in due course.

No worries, I was just joshin' around. :)

A fortnight awaits
For closure of the forum
This Eff Tee Haiku

Please be aware that, imho and if past is prologue, it will likely take a full 2 weeks for this decision to be announced one way or the other.

But I will stop posting in this thread when the outcome is no longer in doubt. :)
:) Because at least you believe that everyone has a right to know when a motion has been decided. :D
A fortnight awaits
For closure of the forum
This Eff Tee Haiku

Bad... Really bad... :D

Out, out, damn spot !

I'm fine with a merge as well. One less click to make lol

Quick! Someone! Post in opposition to this proposal! Give us some DRAMA to work with, here!!!

(This subject has been bounced around a few different FT forums for several days now and not a soul has made so much as a squeak of dissent. I'll give the membership a little while longer to, er, fully respond before casting my vote in stone, though. ;))

Im neutral, but keeping the Toronto sub forum will make it easier for people searching past topics specific to Toronto to find it easier. Also for those responding to Toronto only topics, it's easier to see which threads are Toronto related as its in a separate forum.

On the otherhand, some people post Toronto related questions in the Canada forum, so perhaps its best to just merge it into there. Threads are likley to get more attention, as less people go into the sub forum from the Canada wide forum im guessing.

Quick! Someone! Post in opposition to this proposal! Give us some DRAMA to work with, here!!!

(This subject has been bounced around a few different FT forums for several days now and not a soul has made so much as a squeak of dissent. I'll give the membership a little while longer to, er, fully respond before casting my vote in stone, though. ;))

Guys, you are dealing with Canadians. ;)

Guys, you are dealing with Canadians. ;) Wait until my next closure suggestion !:p

Guys, you are dealing with Canadians. ;)

I wasn't going to say it, but...

It's not a stereotype if it's true. ;)

don't care one way or the other. as much as people claim the search feature on this board does not work, it works fine and it does not seem too hard to punch in YYZ or Toronto and voila...

we who live in Toronto are used to people wanting to loop us all into Canada even though we are at the centre of the universe as far as Canada is concerned...:D

Guys, you are dealing with Canadians. ;)

or just people who have some common sense?

Hm. Maybe to generate some actual heat I'll propose making the Canada forum a sub-forum of Travel&Dining: Destination >> United States

;) <ducking>

Merge it with the Canada forum.
If YYZ gets it's own forum, why not YUL, YVR, YYC, YEG, YWG, YHZ?
YYZ is part of Canada and should be treated like such.

Hm. Maybe to generate some actual heat I'll propose making the Canada forum a sub-forum of Travel&Dining: Destination >> United States

;) <ducking>

Thank you! You're giving me something to work with, now. Seconded! :p

(So said by the person from Alaska, which is often viewed by the world as a Canadian province...)

Back to the original proposal:

Seeing how intensely worked up these Canadians are over this intensely controversial proposal, I will now defy their reckless, irresponsible demands to keep the forum up and and shall vote in favor of the motion. ;)

Quick! Someone! Post in opposition to this proposal! Give us some DRAMA to work with, here!!!

(This subject has been bounced around a few different FT forums for several days now and not a soul has made so much as a squeak of dissent. I'll give the membership a little while longer to, er, fully respond before casting my vote in stone, though. ;))

Sorry to dissapoint Jackal, but . . .

...I vote to merge the tribes (err. . . forums) into one happy Canada family o'tips, questions and info. :D^

~FAI PDX Flyer :)

Sorry to dissapoint Jackal, but . . .

...I vote to merge the tribes (err. . . forums) into one happy Canada family o'tips, questions and info. :D^

~FAI PDX Flyer :)

Since this is a YYZ, Canadian forum issue - this resolution should be called a REFERENDUM! :D

Since this is a YYZ, Canadian forum issue - this resolution should be called a REFERENDUM! :D

In honour of it being a Canadian forum issue, I am referring to it as a "PRO-cess" rather than a "praw-cess" :) @:-)

In honour of it being a Canadian forum issue, I am referring to it as a "PRO-cess" rather than a "praw-cess" :) @:-)

:D :D

Cheers.

In honour of it being a Canadian forum issue, I am referring to it as a "PRO-cess" rather than a "praw-cess" :) @:-)
Oh, don't start that up agayn. :rolleyes:

:p

Time to close it now
yet we wait two weeks for vote
Obey rule, haiku

...we who live in Toronto are used to people wanting to loop us all into Canada even though we are at the centre of the universe as far as Canada is concerned...:D

Oh my. Your fellow patriots in Vancouver and Montreal may not quite agree. Heck, I have a business colleague in Windsor that would not agree. :p

For this American, anything North of the Border is awesome, and I enjoy ALL of it. I won't plug any favorites.

I've perused the Toronto threads, and enjoy that city, having traveled there extensively in the last 30 years. If the category remains, great. If not, I'll live. Whatever the mods want to do is fine with me. I'm just glad the board is here.

Merge it with the Canada forum.
:td:If YYZ gets it's own forum, why not YUL, YVR, YYC, YEG, YWG, YHZ:confused:?
YYZ is part of Canada and should be treated like such.

This is, w/o doubt, the dumbest idea I ever read on F/T.

Let's start with the (obvious) answer to this question. YYZ is a major transit airport, esp. for Americans travelling to Europe. They are not all familiar with YYZ, and turn to FT for assistance.

The most recent post on the YYZ sub-forum was 2 hours ago. The most recent post about YVR on the Canada forum was almost a week ago:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/canada/1310900-craft-beer-yvr.html

FT has a # of other sub-forums in major O&D and transit points e.g. LAX, SFO, ORD, JFK.

The latest census data for YYZ shows a population of 5.6 million, an increase of 9.2 %. Why a sub-forum? The answer is obvious!

Time to close it now
yet we wait two weeks for vote
Obey rule, haiku


Efficiency wanes
As teddy sails from the pram
Check out this link-y! (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/1308496-discussion-suggestion-talkboard-motion-pass-fail-results-reported-real-time-3.html)

Efficiency wanes
As teddy sails from the pram
Check out this link-y! (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/1308496-discussion-suggestion-talkboard-motion-pass-fail-results-reported-real-time-3.html)

Tick tock tick tock tick....
As the clock runs down we sit
But things may change, soon

Time to close it now
yet we wait two weeks for vote
Obey rule, haiku

Efficiency wanes
As teddy sails from the pram
Check out this link-y! (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/1308496-discussion-suggestion-talkboard-motion-pass-fail-results-reported-real-time-3.html)

Tick tock tick tock tick....
As the clock runs down we sit
But things may change, soon

You all have way too much time on your hands. :D

You all have way too much time on your hands. :D

You may find yourself
living in a shotgun shack.
Let the days go by....

You may find yourself
living in a shotgun shack.
Let the days go by....

:D A shotgun shack? I'd rather live with a carbine mag or some such. :D

Is a vote even needed to close a forum?

According to this post:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/11201697-post2.html

9. At the end of each year, the TalkBoard President will ask the FlyerTalk Host for end-of-year forum activity metrics. Each February, the TalkBoard shall review the least-used forums for possible closure, based on the end-of-year metrics. Members should not expect public notice in advance of proposals to close forums due to the potential for manipulation of the metrics.

I see no mention of a vote, and it specifically says, "Members should not expect public notice in advance of proposals to close forums." Have the rules changed? What are the metrics for the Toronto forum?

Is a vote even needed to close a forum?

According to this post:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/11201697-post2.html



I see no mention of a vote, and it specifically says, "Members should not expect public notice in advance of proposals to close forums." Have the rules changed? What are the metrics for the Toronto forum?

Proposals require votes. All this is saying is that we will likely not have public discussion before we make a proposal to shut a forum.

Proposals require votes. All this is saying is that we will likely not have public discussion before we make a proposal to shut a forum.

Although we did make an exception in this case, since we knew the Canadians would be well-behaved and wouldn't manipulate the system. :p

You all have way too much time on your hands. :D

My specialty is really not haiku
But I've been known sometimes to write a post
Much like the likes of William Shakespeare would--
That is, pentameter compose of iambs. ;)

(That government is best which governs least, so if this is what your TalkBoard is doing all day, you're in good hands. :D)

Maybe it should be retitled: "Forced to Go To Toronto: A Survival Guide"

On February 11, 2012, Talkboard passed 8-1:

"The TalkBoard recommends that the Toronto subforum be eliminated and the threads therein be placed in the Canada forum."

Voting yes: bhatnasx, cholula, goalie, jackal, kokonutz, nsx, RichMSN, SkiAdcock
Voting no: Spiff

Tech at IB will handle this early in the week.

Tech at IB will handle this early in the week. Thanks ^!