Flying Blue (Air France, KLM, and Other Partners) - From Germany to Hawaii for 2.300€, good price?

Hello,

till 15th June you can book a round-trip from Germany to Hawaii on klm.de, airfrance.de and delta.de for around 2.300€ in Business-Class.
There is no promo for this offer.
You can even book this with a almost 24h-Stopp in (for example) LAX.

So my booking would look like that:

13.6. DUS-CDG-LAX / Air France A380
14.6. LAX-HNL (Honolulu) /Delta 767
19.6. HNL-LAX /Delta 767
20.6. LAX-CDG-DUS /Air France 777

Is this a good offer? Or do you think there can be a cheaper offer for Germany-Los Angeles-Hawaii in business?
And how long will this offer be online?

That is a good fare.

On your chosen dates, the cheapest in business is a DL ticket: DUS-AMS (on KL Cityhopper), AMS-SEA, SEA-HNL (in "First"); returning HNL-ATL (in "First"), ATL-DUS

€2,209

The cheapest non-Skyteam fare on your dates is with American

DUS-LHR (on BA), LHR-LAX (on BA), LAX-HNL (in "First").

same route on the return

€2,268

Thank you for your answer!
I know that there are fares which are even a little bit cheaper bur I want to fly with the A380, over LA and with Flying Blue. :cool:

But I still don't know how long this offer is online and if there are often offers like this (DUS-HNL)?
Because a flight from Germany to Hawaii over LA is very long and I think it wouldn't be nice to fly it in Economy, so I'm looking for very cheap business tickets.

I've just checked the fare rules on www.expertflyer.com and it states that tickets must be issued on/before February 7. (Beware - this fare could, however, be pulled prior to February 7)

The ticket is non-changeable, non-cancelleable, non-refundable - so be sure, if you buy it, that you will not need to change dates/times/routes.

Rules
Search: Departing DUS on 13/06/12 for HNL
Fare basis code ZPRDE
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AIR FRANCE STANDARD RULE - PROMOTION -
RESTRICTED BUSINESS CLASS FARES
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY
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AREA 2/AREA 3.
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN
FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIER$S BEST
JUDGEMENT.
OTHER CONDITIONS
THE FARE THAT APPLIES ON THE DATE OF PURCHASE
IS ONLY VALID FOR THE ENTIRE ITINERARY AND THE
SPECIFIC TRAVEL DATES MENTIONED ON THE TICKET.
ANY MODIFICATION MAY REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF AN
ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.
FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS-
THE TICKET/ OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / IS NOT VALID IF
THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT
BE HONORED IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE
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MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 280.00 PER
DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.
AND - EQUIPMENT SURCHARGE OF EUR 40.00 PER DIRECTION
WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR TRAVEL
IN TRAIN AIRCRAFT.
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THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN IRAN.
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SALES MAY BE PERMITTED WORLDWIDE
BUT TICKETS SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN WILL
QUOTE THE Q-SURCHARGE INSTEAD OF YQ FOR AF.
MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 280.00 PER
DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.
ORIGINATING EUROPE -
THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN IRAN.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
SALES MAY BE PERMITTED WORLDWIDE
BUT TICKETS SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN WILL
QUOTE THE Q-SURCHARGE INSTEAD OF YQ FOR AF.
FUEL SURCHARGE OF EUR 142.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE
ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.
ORIGINATING EUROPE -
EQUIPMENT SURCHARGE OF EUR 40.00 PER DIRECTION WILL
BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR TRAVEL IN TRAIN
AIRCRAFT.
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/AFTER 24JAN12 AND ON/
BEFORE 15JUN12.
SALES RESTRICTIONS FOOTNOTE RULE
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 07FEB12.

GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
--FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS--
THIS FARE IS ONLY VALID WHEN FLIGHT COUPONS ARE
USED IN THE SAME ORDER AS SHOWN ON THE TICKET
- IF ANY OF THE COUPONS IS NOT USED IN THE
SEQUENCE SHOWN ON THE TICKET A FARE READJUSMENT
WILL BE APPLIED AND THE FARE WILL BE RECALCULATED
BASED ON THE NEW JOURNEY REQUESTED
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ONLY AF/KL AIRPORT TICKET OFFICES ARE ALLOWED TO
PROCESS FARE RECALCULATION AND REISSUE AS
DESCRIBED IN GGAIRAF OUT OF SEQUENCE
PENALTIES CHANGES

ANY TIME
CHANGES NOT PERMITTED.

CANCELLATIONS

ANY TIME
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL.

ANY TIME
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF NO-SHOW.


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ANY TIME
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COMPONENT WILL BE REFUNDED UPON PAYMENT
OF THE PENALTY AMOUNT IF APPLICABLE
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HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR
CONNECTIONS.
AND - THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY
FOR STOPOVERS.
AND -
NOTE -
BETWEEN AND EXTRA
APPLICABLE
ROUTING MILEAGE ALLOWANCE
FRANCE SOUTH AMER 2600 ON AF
FRANCE MEXICO 2600 ON AF
EUROPE SOUTH AMER 2600 VIA FRANCE ON AF
EUROPE MEXICO 2600 VIA FRANCE ON AF
EASTERN AFRICA SOUTH ATL 1400 VIA FRANCE ON AF
WESTERN AFRICA SOUTH ATL 3800 VIA FRANCE ON AF
WESTERN AFRICA MEXICO 1100 VIA FRANCE ON AF
WESTERN AFRICA MID ATL 1300 VIA FRANCE ON AF
AFRICA SOUTH ATL 2800 VIA FRANCE ON AF
EXCLUDING
EASTERN AFRICA
WESTERN AFRICA
SOUTH AFRICA
THIS IS PERMITTED FOR TRAVEL ON AF ONLY.
TICKET ENDORSEMENTS THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED
- NON ENDO/ - AND - FARE RSTR COULD APPLY - IN THE
ENDORSEMENT BOX.
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11. ID REQUIRED - CHARGE
100 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH00.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH00.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
OR - 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 -
CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
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THOSE IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF COMMENCEMENT
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EXCEPTION - INFANTS WHO REACH THEIR 2ND
BIRTHDAY DURING THEIR TRAVEL WILL BE REQUIRED
TO OCCUPY A SEAT ON THE OUTBOUND AND INBOUND
FLIGHT.
THE CHILD FARE NEEDS TO BE APPLIED FOR THE WHOLE J
OURNEY
UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS EUR 150.00.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS AUD 216.00.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS CAD 210.00.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS CHF 210.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS GBP 130.00.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS HUF 41250.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS INR 9300.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS JPY 16950.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS SGD 276.00.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS USD 208.00.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS XOF 98250.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS XAF 98250.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS CZK 3600.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14. ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE PLUS NOK 1200.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
OR -
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
SERVICE CHARGE FOR UNACCOMPANIED CHILD
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.
AGENT DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.
ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.
MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS THIS FARE MUST NOT BE USED AS THROUGH FARE WITH A
DIFFERENTIAL AND/OR TO CALCULATE DIFFERENTIAL.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
THE FARE THAT APPLIES ON THE DATE OF PURCHASE
IS ONLY VALID FOR THE ENTIRE ITINERARY AND THE
SPECIFIC TRAVEL DATES MENTIONED ON THE TICKET.
ANY MODIFICATION MAY REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF AN
ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.
FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS-
THE TICKET/ OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / IS NOT VALID IF
THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT
BE HONORED IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE
SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET / OR ELECTRONIC
TICKET / .
FARE BY RULE NOT APPLICABLE.
GROUPS NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
TOURS NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
DEPOSITS NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
VOLUNTARY CHANGES IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
ANYTIME
CHANGES EXCEPT RBD NOT PERMITTED TO THE FARE
COMPONENT.
VOLUNTARY REFUNDS NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND.
NEGOTIATED FARES NOT APPLICABLE.
INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION
** ADDONS FOR INFORMATION ONLY **
FARE--RT
PUBLISHED AMOUNT CONVERTED AMOUNT
ADDON CITIES F/B CUR VIA NUC
ADDON ORG DUS-FRA W***** EUR 0.00 EUR 0.00
ATP ZONE 50 ADD-ON TARIFF AUSA/999
PUBLISHED FRA-HNL ZPRDE EUR 1806.00 EUR 1806.00

EUR CONVERTED TO USD USING BSR 1 USD - 0.7683 EUR

Note that this ZPRDE fare comes in at €1806 (excl. taxes), whereas the next cheapest fare on AF/KL/DL for this route, Z4LSDE, comes in at €4060!

someone said that BA/AA and US is matching this?
or was it the other way around? i.e. AF/DL are the ones matching?

Dunno who is matching who, but yes, AA/BA are offering this fare too.

Also available for a few euros more from NL, so perhaps it's available from other European starting points too.

perhaps it's available from other European starting points too.

BRU and LUX

If I recall well, there was quite some discussion in the DL forum recently - whether to fly LAX-HNL or ATL-HNL in DL's First/Business Elite and the consensus was that the hard product on ATL-HNL (i.e. flat beds) and also food is significantly better. I would be certainly tempted to fly CDG-ATL-HNL in J for 2300 euro.

If I recall well, there was quite some discussion in the DL forum recently - whether to fly LAX-HNL or ATL-HNL in DL's First/Business Elite and the consensus was that the hard product on ATL-HNL (i.e. flat beds) and also food is significantly better. I would be certainly tempted to fly CDG-ATL-HNL in J for 2300 euro.

go through ATL! The A330 is MUCH better. Out of LAX/SFO you have domestic F products to HNL.
Outstanding price! One of the lowest I have seen to HNL from Europe.

I've now booked Germany - Hawaii Business class roundtrip.

First Day: (Düsseldorf -) Paris - Los Angeles (with AF A380)
Next Day: Los Angeles - Honolulu (with Delta B767).

Now my question: Can I use the Delta Lounges in LAX and HNL? All flights are on one ticket.

And on the way back to Paris can I choose in LAX between Delta-, Korean Air and Air France Lounge?

I've now booked Germany - Hawaii Business class roundtrip.

First Day: (Düsseldorf -) Paris - Los Angeles (with AF A380)
Next Day: Los Angeles - Honolulu (with Delta B767).

Now my question: Can I use the Delta Lounges in LAX and HNL? All flights are on one ticket.

And on the way back to Paris can I choose in LAX between Delta-, Korean Air and Air France Lounge?

Do you have Skyteam status?

In LAX you can only use the lounge in the terminal your flight departs from. Keep in mind that the LAX AF lounge is considered the worse in the AF's whole network! :eek:

Do you have Skyteam status?

In LAX you can only use the lounge in the terminal your flight departs from. Keep in mind that the LAX AF lounge is considered the worse in the AF's whole network! :eek:
No status.
So I can go into the Lounge before the Delta Flight LAX-HNL because it's a "Business flight" on a Air France Ticket?

No status.
So I can go into the Lounge before the Delta Flight LAX-HNL because it's a "Business flight" on a Air France Ticket?


If you overnight in LA - you will not have access before your HNL flight.
It doesnt matter who issues the ticket - you need a same day intl connection

Again, no access in HNL, unless immediately connected to your LAX-CDG flight.

Delta, Korean and Air France are all in different terminals (not connected).
On the way out you will have access to whatever lounge AF uses in Terminal 2, not the ones in other terminals.

If you overnight in LA - you will not have access before your HNL flight.
It doesnt matter who issues the ticket - you need a same day intl connection

Again, no access in HNL, unless immediately connected to your LAX-CDG flight.


While this is indeed the letter of the law (you need to be connecting to/from a same day international SkyTeam flight), I thought that perhaps flights to Hawaii would not be considered as "domestic" given the distance involved (although of course technically it is a domestic destination). Alternately, I would argue that your stopover was less than 24 hours - and hope for a lenient lounge dragon!

Enjoy the trip! But even if you are turned away from the Delta lounge at LAX, don't worry and don't let it spoil the trip, it's not going to be a big part of the whole experience.