TalkBoard Topics - Question: Does Toronto really need it's own Sub-Forum?

Considering that the Canada forum is somewhat under-populated with traffic (well it is Canada:p ) it makes little sense that Toronto should have it's own sub-forum...

Are you suggesting that the centre of the universe NOT have its own subforum?! :D

I did wonder about that. We are discussing geographic fora and subfora on another thread, and I wondered why Toronto (and not Montreal, or Vancouver) has a subforum.

Are you suggesting that the centre of the universe NOT have its own subforum?! :D

I did wonder about that. We are discussing geographic fora and subfora on another thread, and I wondered why Toronto (and not Montreal, or Vancouver) has a subforum. Really, why should Toronto have it's own sub-forum when a place like Tokyo(fill in any other center of the universe place) doesn't ? And I am NOT saying Tokyo should have it's own forum.....(as I was the one that instituted the name change of the Tokyo forum to Japan forum).

It looks like the majority of threads on page 1 of the Toronto subforum are about the airport, and not the city. Interesting.

No, I don't think it does to answer OP's question especially when other world capitals like NRT or CDG don't have their own and are IMHO far more deserving.

However those of us in the ROC (Rest of Canada) have grown so accustomed to this special preferential treatment bestowed upon Toronto as COTU (Centre Of The Universe) that I really hadn't thought to question it before now.

Perhaps someone on TalkBoard could bring this up for discussion on the private TalkBoard forum? Or, is this a case for Carol as Community Director, to just do this? I'd like to think it's something TalkBoard should handle, but...

I think it's an artefact from a time when airports had their own forums, so there were a few anomalies (UK & Ireland and London being two separate forums as well at one point) when airports were merged into destinations. We improved the UK forum by merging the two forums as many who could answer questions about London could also answer about the UK generally. It's also why cities like NYC and LA have separate forums too - they started out as airport forums too.

Are there any other under-performing geographic sub-forums that folks want us to look at?

Rather do them all at once if there are more.

That is a difficult one to answer. I wouldn't want to judge a forum based on post speed if it serves a need. For instance, the Germany forum gets quite a bit of traffic, but there are about 10 thread topics which repeat on a rather regular basis, so that doesn't really mean that it is more valuable than one like Argentina (just taking a random example)

Are there any other under-performing geographic sub-forums that folks want us to look at?

Rather do them all at once if there are more.

I'm willing to do them individually & think about this one if it makes sense.

Cheers.

Thank you for at taking the time to consider this.

There should be criteria set to qualify sub forums and forums quantitatively.. qualitative, is in the eye of the beholder.. Torontonians likely want a Toronto sub forum

So the proposed motion is:

The TalkBoard recommends that the Toronto subforum be eliminated and the threads therein be placed in the Canada forum.

Correct?

That would seem appropriate wording. Might be a good idea to start a thread in the Toronto/Canada forums to get the users' feedback?

What would be handy is a Sticky at the top of the merged Canada forum on Intl/US and US/Intl transit at YYZ YVR and YUL. There seems to more flight option US TPAC via YVR and US TALT via YYZ/YUL

So the proposed motion is:

The TalkBoard recommends that the Toronto subforum be eliminated and the threads therein be placed in the Canada forum.

Correct?

If we move forward with this, then the wording works for me.

That would seem appropriate wording. Might be a good idea to start a thread in the Toronto/Canada forums to get the users' feedback?

We could start a thread pointing them to this thread. Of course we also need to check out how the threads are going in the sub-forum before we do so, because as soon as someone says eliminate there will be lots of posts in the forum on new topics & saying its needed, as we've seen previously with a dif forum. ;) However, in this case it isn't eliminating an actual forum entirely but simply merging it into the parent forum.

Cheers.

If we move forward with this, then the wording works for me.



We could start a thread pointing them to this thread. Of course we also need to check out how the threads are going in the sub-forum before we do so, because as soon as someone says eliminate there will be lots of posts in the forum on new topics & saying its needed, as we've seen previously with a dif forum. ;) However, in this case it isn't eliminating an actual forum entirely but simply merging it into the parent forum.

Cheers.

Well I see about 4 posts per month in that forum.

Merging it into Canada will at least get some eyes on those posts!

If you want to post a link to this thread in your official capacity as SEC/VP, I think that would be cool.

If we move forward with this, then the wording works for me.



We could start a thread pointing them to this thread. Of course we also need to check out how the threads are going in the sub-forum before we do so, because as soon as someone says eliminate there will be lots of posts in the forum on new topics & saying its needed, as we've seen previously with a dif forum. ;) However, in this case it isn't eliminating an actual forum entirely but simply merging it into the parent forum.

Cheers.
Not necessarily. The British thought the merger of London with UK was actually a pretty good idea...

But yes - what you suggest is a possible outcome! ;) I do see, despite the protestations of those who liked at least one of the forums which had that outcome, it's still only generating a few threads a month.... Folks must get bored reading the same threads over and over and over again!

As a matter of courtesy we should probably alert those in Canada/Toronto this is being discussed & point them to this thread to provide their input, vs just letting them find out when they see a public announcement at the top of the forums when it's up for voting.

Give them a few days to provide input before doing the motion I would think. We've done that with other motions/provided heads up in the forums.

Cheers.

As a matter of courtesy we should probably alert those in Canada/Toronto this is being discussed & point them to this thread to provide their input, vs just letting them find out when they see a public announcement at the top of the forums when it's up for voting.

Give them a few days to provide input before doing the motion I would think. We've done that with other motions/provided heads up in the forums.

Cheers.

Those folks will DO AS WE COMMAND!!!!!!



Just joshin'!

You make an excellent point. Let's get the input from the Canada forum mods too. ^

You make an excellent point. Let's get the input from the Canada forum mods too. ^

Great minds & all that :D. I just PM'd the Canada forum mods asking for their input, and also their permission to post a 'heads up' thread in both the Canada & the Toronto forums, and providing a link to this thread.

Cheers.

As a matter of courtesy we should probably alert those in Canada/Toronto this is being discussed & point them to this thread to provide their input, vs just letting them find out when they see a public announcement at the top of the forums when it's up for voting.

Give them a few days to provide input before doing the motion I would think. We've done that with other motions/provided heads up in the forums.

Cheers.

Perhaps point the AC forum to this thread as well? Didn't the Canada forum come out of the 'off topic' posts in the AC forum which had no home at the time, if I recall?

Perhaps point the AC forum to this thread as well? Didn't the Canada forum come out of the 'off topic' posts in the AC forum which had no home at the time, if I recall?

When we're considering creating regional forums we don't normally post in the various FF programs asking for input AFAIK, although having an airline based in a region can contribute to a forum being created.

Cheers.

So the proposed motion is:

The TalkBoard recommends that the Toronto subforum be eliminated and the threads therein be placed in the Canada forum.

Correct?

Sounds fine to me..:)

So the proposed motion is:

The TalkBoard recommends that the Toronto subforum be eliminated and the threads therein be placed in the Canada forum.

Correct?

^ Go for it. :D

So the vote is on? Or input being sought?

Toronto, just like AC is regressing.. sigh..:)

As a matter of courtesy we should probably alert those in Canada/Toronto this is being discussed & point them to this thread to provide their input, vs just letting them find out when they see a public announcement at the top of the forums when it's up for voting.

Give them a few days to provide input before doing the motion I would think. We've done that with other motions/provided heads up in the forums.

We extremely polite Canadians greatly appreciate your thoughtful courtesy, Sharon. :)

The motion as drafted is good, though don't think we have to wake up the good folks on the AC forum to mention this. Just MHO, of course.

I"m guessing this is not sexy enough to merit a vote :p ?

I"m guessing this is not sexy enough to merit a vote :p ?

Actually I was waiting to hear from the Canadian mods their thoughts on the subject before posting in the Canada/YYZ forums to get the Canadians input. It's been a few days & no response, so will start a thread later & give it a few days to see if we garner any from those who frequent the forums, directing them to this thread. Then, if merited, we can bring it to a vote.

Cheers.

Close the 49th Parallel so that YYZ joins the U.S.!(Inside joke for Canadians!:D)

While you're at it, why aren't the Cities/Regions/Countries alphabetical in the listing?

Sorry, I've been travelling. I'm fine with this.

Simon

Same here, no issues.

I think that there should be some sort of sticky/link to the Toronto subforum from the AC forum as part of the problem is that the questions tend to get asked within an existing thread in the AC forum where it gets more hits and is therefore more likely to get more answers.

Also, after scrolling down the list past China and a few other geographical areas, one does assume that Canada is not listed...so +1 on making the listings alphabetical.

I think that there should be some sort of sticky/link to the Toronto subforum from the AC forum as part of the problem is that the questions tend to get asked within an existing thread in the AC forum where it gets more hits and is therefore more likely to get more answers.

I disagree. The forums are and should continue to be separate.

As I noted last October (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/1266047-forum-activity-statistics.html), Toronto was one of the forums that have a weak post rate. If users are OK with merging it, that's probably the right move.

Close the 49th Parallel so that YYZ joins the U.S.!(Inside joke for Canadians!:D)

While you're at it, why aren't the Cities/Regions/Countries alphabetical in the listing?

Some talk that Canada would become the next US state.. Include Mexico in the plan, the US would be able to take advantage of cheap resources and labor.. meaning the end for AC and Toronto as the center of the universe as we know it..

Too bad about the Toronto forum.. I was going to gather some info, as we're stopping over in TO on our way back to YYC from LHR this summer.

Too bad about the Toronto forum.. I was going to gather some info, as we're stopping over in TO on our way back to YYC from LHR this summer.

Nothing preventing you from asking for info in the Canada forum.

Nothing preventing you from asking for info in the Canada forum.

True.. and I was thinking that I could do that anyways.. but as much as I don't want to have a Toronto forum.. it would actually be useful to have all relevant Toronto topics organized in one place.. searching the key words, would have all sort of unrelated topics pop up..

I've been to Toronto a number of times as a single.. but never to Toronto married with kids.. plus I never did any sightseeing.. My wife asked me what I did when I was in Toronto, and mainly I was at religious conferences near the airport the 4 times I've visited there..

True.. and I was thinking that I could do that anyways.. but as much as I don't want to have a Toronto forum.. it would actually be useful to have all relevant Toronto topics organized in one place.. searching the key words, would have all sort of unrelated topics pop up..

I've been to Toronto a number of times as a single.. but never to Toronto married with kids.. plus I never did any sightseeing.. My wife asked me what I did when I was in Toronto, and mainly I was at religious conferences near the airport the 4 times I've visited there..

I am sure it Toronto or YYZ is in the title it will get noticed.

BTW - There are two very good SingMa restaurants in GTA now.

I am sure it Toronto or YYZ is in the title it will get noticed.

BTW - There are two very good SingMa restaurants in GTA now.

I shall cope.. plus there are other resources which I use to supplement research..

as much as I don't want to have a Toronto forum.. it would actually be useful to have all relevant Toronto topics organized in one place..

That reads like one massive contradiction. How can you not want the forum while wanting a useful YYZ forum? :confused:

That reads like one massive contradiction. How can you not want the forum while wanting a useful YYZ forum? :confused:

In theory and practice, is different.

That reads like one massive contradiction. How can you not want the forum while wanting a useful YYZ forum? :confused:

In theory and practice, is different.

Would the 2 of you take your on-going conversations to anotherthread....:p

That reads like one massive contradiction. How can you not want the forum while wanting a useful YYZ forum? :confused:

In theory and practice, is different.

Would the 2 of you take your on-going conversations to anotherthread....:p

Ahhh, the famous battle of AB! :D We are following with interest from YYZ.

Don't worry, there should be another thread coming along aaaaaaaannnnyyyyy minute now... ;)

Would the 2 of you take your on-going conversations to anotherthread....:p

Unlike Q at least we're staying on topic, which is the YYZ subforum. ;)

Don't worry, there should be another thread coming along aaaaaaaannnnyyyyy minute now... ;)

You rang? :D

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/1311384-comments-welcome-voting-underway-close-toronto-subforum.html

Cheers.

Would the 2 of you take your on-going conversations to anotherthread....:p

Ahhh, the famous battle of AB! :D We are following with interest from YYZ.

Q Shoe Guy is from AB? Where.. ?

Q Shoe Guy is from AB? Where.. ? :confused::confused::confused:

Q Shoe Guy is from AB? Where.. ?

I am talking about Tcook052 up the road from you.

I am talking about Tcook052 up the road from you.

Ok. the way you've got us three quoted and saying its the battle of Alberta made me look at Q shoe location.. no location..

So I thought you knew somehow Q shoe was from Alberta..

Ok. the way you've got us three quoted and saying its the battle of Alberta made me look at Q shoe location.. no location..

So I thought you knew somehow Q shoe was from Alberta..

Na, AB not big enough for three of you.

If you are staying over in YYZ on way home from summer in EU PM me.

Na, AB not big enough for three of you.

If you are staying over in YYZ on way home from summer in EU PM me.

Planning to stay over for 5 nights.. Probably book the York or whatever Fairmont is in Toronto..

Planning to stay over for 5 nights.. Probably book the York or whatever Fairmont is in Toronto..

That would be the Fairmont Royal York, very centrally located.

That would be the Fairmont Royal York, very centrally located.

Heard good things about it.. I think I can get a reasonable rate, and they seem to treat the elite members well there from what I hear.

Heard good things about it.. I think I can get a reasonable rate, and they seem to treat the elite members well there from what I hear.

It is a nice place and aging well. with Farimont status there is no question that you should stay there. It was the Toronto hotel for all the Royal visits.

You know, there is a Fairmont forum for hotel chatter...

On February 11, 2012, Talkboard passed 8-1:

"The TalkBoard recommends that the Toronto subforum be eliminated and the threads therein be placed in the Canada forum."

Voting yes: bhatnasx, cholula, goalie, jackal, kokonutz, nsx, RichMSN, SkiAdcock
Voting no: Spiff

On February 11, 2012, Talkboard passed 8-1:

"The TalkBoard recommends that the Toronto subforum be eliminated and the threads therein be placed in the Canada forum."

Voting yes: bhatnasx, cholula, goalie, jackal, kokonutz, nsx, RichMSN, SkiAdcock
Voting no: Spiff

Thanks for the update Sharon. ^

On February 11, 2012, Talkboard passed 8-1:

"The TalkBoard recommends that the Toronto subforum be eliminated and the threads therein be placed in the Canada forum."

Voting yes: bhatnasx, cholula, goalie, jackal, kokonutz, nsx, RichMSN, SkiAdcock
Voting no: Spiff

Sadly, Toronto will be nowhere in the FT Universe.. The will of TB has been disclosed, but bold moves and kudos to the TB for making courageous decisions.^

On February 11, 2012, Talkboard passed 8-1:

"The TalkBoard recommends that the Toronto subforum be eliminated and the threads therein be placed in the Canada forum."

Voting yes: bhatnasx, cholula, goalie, jackal, kokonutz, nsx, RichMSN, SkiAdcock
Voting no: Spiff

Thanks for taking care of this, glad things are moving forward on talkboard !^