Hawaii-based Airlines - New HA Hub at OGG

Hawaiian Airlines announced a new hub in Maui (OGG) to ease operations statewide. They are expanding inter-island service to OGG, reinstating certain flights between OGG and the Big Island, reinstating OGG-LIH service in both directions, introducing new mainland west coast services to OGG (e.g. LAX-OGG) and retiming other mainland-OGG flights.

See:

http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=82818&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1647908&highlight=

This is the talk of the local media outlets today. I just hope this doesn't mean HNL-KOA/ITO becomes a forced HNL-OGG-KOA/ITO routing.

This is the talk of the local media outlets today. I just hope this doesn't mean HNL-KOA/ITO becomes a forced HNL-OGG-KOA/ITO routing.

lol, let's keep your world oahu centric. :D It would really suck if you had to fly out of your way and stop on an island you didn't want to go to or stop at in order to get to your destination, right? Welcome to our world.

I doubt that's going to be the effect, but rather, they are finally recognizing that there's a significant amount of traffic that doesn't need to transit HNL, and they can probably charge a premium for it for now, and be in place to fight off any competition that might arrive from the mainland (or considering coming over from the mainland). I just hope this doesn't stretch the inter-island fleet too thin again.

I wonder if they are going to take more gates at OGG. Right now they have the 3 best interisland gates, but there's no more room where they are for more interisland gates. I think they would have to expand to the right side gates. I guess it will be interesting to see what happens there.

-David

I think this is great news! Whether it is for the vacationer from the mainland or the local resident who would like to travel non stop to the other islands without having to go thru HNL.

My question, when will HA open up the schedule for interisland travel that will show the added non stops to LIH and KOA/ITO? I would love to change my interisland flight from LIH to OGG if I could avoid HNL.

My question, when will HA open up the schedule for interisland travel that will show the added non stops to LIH and KOA/ITO? I would love to change my interisland flight from LIH to OGG if I could avoid HNL.

I think the press release states that expanded inter-island service on those routes begin on March 11. Perhaps you can look at an online timetable on HA's website now to see if those schedules are already loaded.

Tonywestsider, thanks...I could not find any dates. The only thing I could find was "over the next several weeks". March 11th doesn't work for me but it is still great news otherwise.

lol, let's keep your world oahu centric. :D It would really suck if you had to fly out of your way and stop on an island you didn't want to go to or stop at in order to get to your destination, right? Welcome to our world.
Not really Oahu-centric... Simply, me-centric. ;)

As if OGG's runway wasn't in rough enough shape. Perhaps they're preparing for when they finally need to take the long runway out for a couple months for resurfacing.

Not really Oahu-centric... Simply, me-centric. ;)

lol. of course. Same here. :D

-David

As if OGG's runway wasn't in rough enough shape. Perhaps they're preparing for when they finally need to take the long runway out for a couple months for resurfacing.

I don't see how they are going do that at all. The short runways are too short aren't they? Only small/light aircraft use them.

The only thing I can see is that they will do it all in small sections at night.

-David

Hawaiian Airlines announced a new hub in Maui (OGG) to ease operations statewide. They are expanding inter-island service to OGG, reinstating certain flights between OGG and the Big Island, reinstating OGG-LIH service in both directions, introducing new mainland west coast services to OGG (e.g. LAX-OGG) and retiming other mainland-OGG flights.

See:

http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=82818&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1647908&highlight=

And at the same time Hawaiian pulled PDX-OGG. Seems backwards. I think Most flyers in PDX would rather see the HNL flight pulled and if they need to connect, connect in OGG instead. Alaska is picking up a bunch of business, they are adding a second fight every other day in late spring it appears. Hawaiian might as well just completely pull out of PDX; in the long run they won't find it sustainable with the local airline as competition if they can't keep the OGG flight going.

And at the same time Hawaiian pulled PDX-OGG. Seems backwards. I think Most flyers in PDX would rather see the HNL flight pulled and if they need to connect, connect in OGG instead. Alaska is picking up a bunch of business, they are adding a second fight every other day in late spring it appears. Hawaiian might as well just completely pull out of PDX; in the long run they won't find it sustainable with the local airline as competition if they can't keep the OGG flight going.

Must we be so dramatic? US operates a number of flights to all the major Hawaiian airports and is the hometown airline here in PHX. HA maintains one flight per day PHX-HNL and does just fine here. I'm sure that PDX is the same way. Due to HA's much larger aircraft size, HA doesn't have the flexibility that AS has.

Must we be so dramatic? US operates a number of flights to all the major Hawaiian airports and is the hometown airline here in PHX. HA maintains one flight per day PHX-HNL and does just fine here. I'm sure that PDX is the same way. Due to HA's much larger aircraft size, HA doesn't have the flexibility that AS has.

Not trying to be "dramatic," instead just stating the simple facts. Call it whatever you want if it makes you feel better.

5/23 is just under 5000 ft long, I'm not sure on the exact specs for the 717's but I believe they could land and depart on that runway, but it would be pretty tight.

As if OGG's runway wasn't in rough enough shape. Perhaps they're preparing for when they finally need to take the long runway out for a couple months for resurfacing.

Actually, this is 6,000 length feet. It was very short runway. There is no construction more new runway expansion.

5/23 is just under 5000 ft long, I'm not sure on the exact specs for the 717's but I believe they could land and depart on that runway, but it would be pretty tight.

Yes, it's 4990', and runway 2/20 is 6995'

5/23 is too short for any mainland bound flight, right? (757, 767, 777, ...)

Though the 757s can take off on pretty short runways, don't know if 5,000' is enough.

Anyway it will be interesting to see how they decide to rebuild 2/20 if/when ... (we know the FAA is starting to make noise about it.)

-David

My local airport, PVD, is facing runway extension now. Very long process. It has been maybe ten years since they started discussions. If there are no more protests, we could have a longer runway by 2015.

PVD is very similar to OGG. If runway extension happens, the work would have to be done at night. There is no other choice.

I believe one of the ideas was for them to take 2/20 out of service completely for a few months to expedite the process and have the mainland flights land in kona or hilo. Then they would use 717's and RJ's to ferry passengers to maui landing on 5/23, not sure if that's gonna be the case or if they will do the night time repairs but either way something should be done before the runway completely falls apart.

I believe one of the ideas was for them to take 2/20 out of service completely for a few months to expedite the process and have the mainland flights land in kona or hilo. Then they would use 717's and RJ's to ferry passengers to maui landing on 5/23, not sure if that's gonna be the case or if they will do the night time repairs but either way something should be done before the runway completely falls apart.

That would be ridiculous, and it would kill the economy here. Plus Maui has a ton of mainland flights, I doubt any one airline could handle that, and who would pay for ferrying people over? That's just not going to happen, it's ridiculous.

Repairs (and extensions) aren't the issue, the feds don't want to patch it anymore, they say OGG needs a new runway, so they will have to do it in small sections at night when they finally get around to actually doing it. Or build a completely new runway, which would face all sorts of local opposition and take years to approve and longer for the inevitable court challenges, so I doubt that will happen any time soon either.

Anyway, it will be interesting to watch the planning process.

The Maui Now article mentions extending the other runway. http://mauinow.com/2011/12/12/faa-to-maui-kahului-runway-%E2%80%9Cmust-be-replaced%E2%80%9D/

ah, there's a meeting on Monday 1/23 ... http://mauinow.com/2012/01/16/kahului-runway-rehabilitation-focus-on-upcoming-meeting/

-David

If the runway is not repaired/expanded, the Feds will ultimately shut it down. The NIMBY's will be jumping for joy that they have "saved" Maui from the threat of modern life. No Super Ferry, no planes, no tourists, no jobs. Way to go. :td:

Gald the NIMBYS just aren't in Rhode Island. The problem in R.I. is that when they built PVD in 1929, they put it in a field in the City of Warwick. Well, the City of Warwick has grown up around the airport. With runway extension on the horizon, they will have to buy houses, businesses, move roads, etc. Should the airport be moved? Maybe. But if it did, the City of Warwick would be without a huge resource for revenue (car rental agencies, hotels, etc)

As for OGG, there really isn't anything around it. They can add length to both runways without a major issue. I can understand the locals being upset. When we first went to Maui in 1994, it was amazing. The last time we were on Maui was 2008 (then again in 3 weeks), it was built up. Still a beautiful place to be but not the Maui I first saw. The thing is alot of stuff is shipped via the airlines. If they don't at the very least repair the main runway, alot of folks will suffer with hirer shipping costs. As we know most of the mainstays come in via ship.

The question has to be raised, do the Feds want a longer runway or a repair job? They can go hand in hand but they are two different animals with different approaches. Over here, the Feds wanted the longer runway.

If the runway is not repaired/expanded, the Feds will ultimately shut it down.

That's not going to happen either. Let's keep it real. :)


The question has to be raised, do the Feds want a longer runway or a repair job? They can go hand in hand but they are two different animals with different approaches. Over here, the Feds wanted the longer runway.

The only thing the Feds are saying is that they don't want to fund any more repaving (patching) for 2/20, they say that 2/20 needs to be replaced/rebuilt. I don't think this is about an extension, other than one of the alternatives for the rebuild would be to extend the short runway (5/23) so it can handle the traffic that 2/20 normally handles during the rebuild. Anyway, we'll find out Monday night or shortly thereafter.

I don't know if I can make it to that meeting, but we will at least get some news posted about the alternatives being discussed.

-David

That's not going to happen either. Let's keep it real. :)



The only thing the Feds are saying is that they don't want to fund any more repaving (patching) for 2/20, they say that 2/20 needs to be replaced/rebuilt. I don't think this is about an extension, other than one of the alternatives for the rebuild would be to extend the short runway (5/23) so it can handle the traffic that 2/20 normally handles during the rebuild. Anyway, we'll find out Monday night or shortly thereafter.

I don't know if I can make it to that meeting, but we will at least get some news posted about the alternatives being discussed.

-David

I never underestimate what the Government is capable of doing :)

Glad you are going to the meeting as I'm off island right now. Please keep us informed. IMHO, the smart thing is to rebuild the runway and extend it so that the newer planes can get in without weight restrictions.

http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/557363/Runway-options-would-halt-Mainland-flights-for-weeks.html?nav=10 details the different options being considered.

In my personal opinion lengthening both runways would be the best solution adding flexibility to the airport and improving traffic flow.

http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/557363/Runway-options-would-halt-Mainland-flights-for-weeks.html?nav=10 details the different options being considered.

In my personal opinion lengthening both runways would be the best solution adding flexibility to the airport and improving traffic flow.

+1^

Good 15 minutes of video from the meeting explaining the runway issues and the options.

http://mauinow.com/2012/01/24/video-kahului-runway-rehab-options-aired/

the car rental center thing is a complete Hawaii DOT boondoogle in my opinion. no idea why they need it here. This is not a big city airport.

What about other alternatives, like building a new runway parallel to the existing 2/20? Wouldn't that be less disruptive than the other options, or what about night construction and replace in place?

The EIS is going to take forever, none of these options are going to happen any time soon.

link to the dot slides (pdf) on this HI DOT page: http://hawaii.gov/dot/news/kahului-airport-runway-improvements-informational-meeting-presentation-available-1

-David

Good 15 minutes of video from the meeting explaining the runway issues and the options.

http://mauinow.com/2012/01/24/video-kahului-runway-rehab-options-aired/

the car rental center thing is a complete Hawaii DOT boondoogle in my opinion. no idea why they need it here. This is not a big city airport.

What about other alternatives, like building a new runway parallel to the existing 2/20? Wouldn't that be less disruptive than the other options, or what about night construction and replace in place?

The EIS is going to take forever, none of these options are going to happen any time soon.

link to the dot slides (pdf) on this HI DOT page: http://hawaii.gov/dot/news/kahului-airport-runway-improvements-informational-meeting-presentation-available-1

-David

But you're talking common sense and politicians don't understand that:(

Agree about the EIS and there shouldn't even be one since it's ALREADY an airport.:confused: But the usual suspects will gum it up I'm sure. I still say extending the main runway and putting a short extension on the other is the pono way go.

But you're talking common sense and politicians don't understand that:(



hehehe:D

5/23 is just under 5000 ft long, I'm not sure on the exact specs for the 717's but I believe they could land and depart on that runway, but it would be pretty tight.

I found this:

At sea level (standard day) with maximum weight, the B717-200 needs approximately 5800' to takeoff and 4800' to land.

Looking at the specs for sea level, that quote seems about right.

We just today booked non-stop HA-33 & HA 34 LAX to OGG & back for 1st week of July. Appears to be a 767-300 which needs about 7,900 feet to take off.

We just today booked non-stop HA-33 & HA 34 LAX to OGG & back for 1st week of July. Appears to be a 767-300 which needs about 7,900 feet to take off.That's for maximum takeoff weight (MTOW). HA's planes hardly ever takeoff at the maximum weight limit; thus, they can takeoff and land using a shorter runway. Here's a link to a PDF by Boeing entitled "767 Airplane Characteristics for Airport Planning" that shows the distances, weights, and flap settings for takeoffs and landings...:cool:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/767.pdf

We just today booked non-stop HA-33 & HA 34 LAX to OGG & back for 1st week of July. Appears to be a 767-300 which needs about 7,900 feet to take off.

Several airlines operate 763s to Maui. (UA used to operate 777-200s, including a non-stop to Chicago.)

The runway construction planning is just starting. It will take a while to get to the actual construction phase.

-David

That's for maximum takeoff weight (MTOW). HA's planes hardly ever takeoff at the maximum weight limit; thus, they can takeoff and land using a shorter runway. Here's a link to a PDF by Boeing entitled "767 Airplane Characteristics for Airport Planning" that shows the distances, weights, and flap settings for takeoffs and landings...:cool:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/767.pdf

NICE info!
I figured the 7,900 feet must be a max. situation since no runway on Maui is near that long. Still the crew must get a little nervous putting the throttles all the way up when taking off with a full passenger load on a relatively short runway. I know I do!. Even here in Pittsburgh they have 11500 feet and 10500 feet runways and the planes are usually much smaller than the 767.
We thought about taking Delta to JFK, the new HA A330-200 from JFK to HNL and then Island Air to OGG but the flight time is just too much for us at one time.
We'll be staying overnight near LAX both directions. Much more relaxing and I may get to see my brother that lives in LA.
BTW, the 6 nights at the Sheraton in Maui & the HA flights are both free using the credit card points that I learned about here on FlyerTalk. Great resource!

NICE info!
I figured the 7,900 feet must be a max. situation since no runway on Maui is near that long. Still the crew must get a little nervous putting the throttles all the way up when taking off with a full passenger load on a relatively short runway. I know I do!. Even here in Pittsburgh they have 11500 feet and 10500 feet runways and the planes are usually much smaller than the 767.Nearly all airlines have "operations agents" or "load control agents" that ensure that the passenger, cargo, and fuel loads are balanced and within operational and legal limits, so that an aircraft can take off safely from a particular airport. With all of the checklists and paperwork that HA pilot's are required to do before takeoff, they're more likely to be bored than nervous. :cool:


We thought about taking Delta to JFK, the new HA A330-200 from JFK to HNL and then Island Air to OGG but the flight time is just too much for us at one time.
We'll be staying overnight near LAX both directions. Much more relaxing and I may get to see my brother that lives in LA.
BTW, the 6 nights at the Sheraton in Maui & the HA flights are both free using the credit card points that I learned about here on FlyerTalk. Great resource!
Although I would've preferred that HA establish a new hub on the Big Island instead of Maui, having one at OGG should make it more convenient and relaxing for folks arriving from the continental U.S. :)

Now if we could just get an east coast non-stop to OGG.
That would be awesome!

hopefully if JFK-HNL does well they will consider JFK-OGG, that would be great!

The Kahului Airport (OGG) master plan is online ...

http://kahuluiairport.rmtowill.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/KAHULUI_AIRPORT_MASTER_PLAN_AND_NCP_Mar_13_2012.pd f

They are talking about 9,300' runways 2-20 and parallel runways and buying a bunch of land.

There's a nice trail behind the airport that I used to ride my bike on, a lot of people use it. Basically a lot of that land they wan to take I think is all parkland right now. So that's basically a pipe dream.

-David

The Kahului Airport (OGG) master plan is online ...

http://kahuluiairport.rmtowill.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/KAHULUI_AIRPORT_MASTER_PLAN_AND_NCP_Mar_13_2012.pd f

They are talking about 9,300' runways 2-20 and parallel runways and buying a bunch of land.

There's a nice trail behind the airport that I used to ride my bike on, a lot of people use it. Basically a lot of that land they wan to take I think is all parkland right now. So that's basically a pipe dream.

-David
Seems rather conservative on anticipated growth of tourism?

I just skimmed the Master Plan for OGG. Very interesting that they want to build a parallel runway. Lookng at the projection for passenger traffic, my guess they would use the shorter of the two runways for interisland flights and the longer runway for the heavies coming and going to the mainland. Similar to what HNL does with the runway close to the terminal and the reef runway.

As for the length of the runway versus the aircraft, I would agree that for the 767 and the 777, either plane would need a long runway in order to get off of the ground safely. That said, I have flown OGG to DFW and OGG to ORD on an AA 767. One can imagine that the aircraft is full of passengers, luggage and cargo. Plane got off the ground with runway to spare. I get more nrevous coming into OGG. I have been on aircraft that have used all of the runway to stop. Even the interisland flights that land too far down the runway.

We have the same thing here in Rhode Island with PVD. They want to extend the runway so flights can get to the west coast. We need the longer runway more so for the summer time. When the temperature is high along with the humidity, apparently lift sucks. Planes right now do fly non stop to Las Vegas, Denver and Phenix.

Seems rather conservative on anticipated growth of tourism?

I thought so too, but it could be the scale of the graph. Then again, they show a peak from a few years ago, and never really getting back to that peak? So, yeah, I don't understand what's going on there either.

And if that's actually true, why do they need a rental car center and an additional parallel runway and all that land they intend to use?

And they mentioned doing the rental car center thing now, if they go with the "no close" option on the runway 2-20 rebuild.

-David

We have the same thing here in Rhode Island with PVD. They want to extend the runway so flights can get to the west coast. We need the longer runway more so for the summer time. When the temperature is high along with the humidity, apparently lift sucks. Planes right now do fly non stop to Las Vegas, Denver and Phenix.

Yeah, PVD has always had visions of tons of flights to the West Coast, if they could just lengthen the runway a few hundred feet! ;)

Back in the day -- early 80's -- landing at PVD entailed landing quickly and applying all available braking capability and, then, turning off at the end of the runway! It was particularly fun on rainy and snowy days!

Hopefully, OGG can get their runway up to par for longer transpacific flights.

30 Day Comment Period Opens on Kahului Airport Access Road

http://mauinow.com/2012/03/26/30-day-comment-period-opens-on-kahului-airport-access-road/

Looks like it forks off of Dairy Rd and goes behind Maui Marketplace (Lowe's, Office Max), crosses Hana Hwy, and heads straight into the airport.

Formeraa, nothing has changed at PVD. Sometimes you get the pilot who "misjudged"his or her landing position and ends up stopping just before the end of the runway. As for rainy/snowy days, forget it. If they don't land just past the numbers your thrown into the seat in front of you when they are braking. You know what I mean. One time several years ago while flying DL on a 757, it was raining while landing. The pilot landed too far down the runway. By the time we stopped he or she had just enough room to turn the nose onto the taxiway without having to back up. A little nervous on that. Our most recent trip into OGG was the same thing and that was on a HA 717. Pilot landed too far down the runway. Even with all of the braking, barely had enough room to turn the nose onto the runway.

30 Day Comment Period Opens on Kahului Airport Access Road

http://mauinow.com/2012/03/26/30-day-comment-period-opens-on-kahului-airport-access-road/

Looks like it forks off of Dairy Rd and goes behind Maui Marketplace (Lowe's, Office Max), crosses Hana Hwy, and heads straight into the airport.

Noticed the usual NIMBY'S (Sierra Club, Maui Yesterday) are already beating the drum of destruction on any changes. Sheesh, get a life, preferably somewhere else like maybe Molokai. This is already a 2 lane rut (route) through the cane fields around Puunene Sugar Mill and travelled by a TON of cars every day. It bypasses all the Malahini traffic down Dairy since most visitors don't know it exists. Making it a 4 lane access road is an intelligent thing to do...which is why the ecofreaks oppose it.

This is already a 2 lane rut (route) through the cane fields around Puunene Sugar Mill and travelled by a TON of cars every day. It bypasses all the Malahini traffic down Dairy since most visitors don't know it exists. Making it a 4 lane access road is an intelligent thing to do...which is why the ecofreaks oppose it.

That's not the access road. I drive that road often, since I live upcountry. They really need to repave it again.

The new access road is going to create a new intersection with Hana Hwy, and it looks like Dairy road will be re-oriented to turn into the road that accesses Walmart and Home Depot and then intersect with the new access road. There isn't much you can discern about it, other than that picture from Maui Now, as I can't find a damn thing about it on state DOT or airports web site.

-David

That's not the access road. I drive that road often, since I live upcountry. They really need to repave it again.
-David

What, you don't like buying new shocks?:D I'm still assuming that that road will be part of the access route, but you're right, can't really figure it out from what we've seen so far. And what a shame, if perennial gadfly Isaac Hall had just butted out a few years ago, we would't be in this mess today as the runway extension would already be done

Ah, now I see. Finally read the maui News article from Tuesday and see how the access road will go. My two cents: Put in the stop lights at Hana Hwy and get this sucka built!

this? http://mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/560006/Plans-floated-to-aid-flow-of--airport-traffic.html

$25 Million for an intersection with a traffic light?

Highway overpasses?


Check out the intersection options on p23:

http://oeqc.doh.hawaii.gov/Shared%20Documents/EA_and_EIS_Online_Library/NEPA%20and%20Other%20Documents/Kahului%20Airport%20Access%20Road,%20Phase%20I.%20 ADA.pdf

this? http://mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/560006/Plans-floated-to-aid-flow-of--airport-traffic.html

$25 Million for an intersection with a traffic light?

Highway overpasses?


Check out the intersection options on p23:

http://oeqc.doh.hawaii.gov/Shared%20Documents/EA_and_EIS_Online_Library/NEPA%20and%20Other%20Documents/Kahului%20Airport%20Access%20Road,%20Phase%20I.%20 ADA.pdf

Remember, this is Hawaii. Unless Maui is radically different from the Big Island, it takes three times as much money and five times as much time as elsewhere to do any road or highway improvements. By the time they finish, it will likely be obsolete.

Remember, this is Hawaii. Unless Maui is radically different from the Big Island, it takes three times as much money and five times as much time as elsewhere to do any road or highway improvements. By the time they finish, it will likely be obsolete.

No brah, it's the same. They've been repaving Honapi'ilani Hwy on the west side since last fall. It's done from Kapalua to Honokawai BUT the "temporary" lower speed limit signs of 35 MPH construction zone are still up. Usual shibai.

this? http://mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/560006/Plans-floated-to-aid-flow-of--airport-traffic.html

$25 Million for an intersection with a traffic light?

Highway overpasses?


Check out the intersection options on p23:

http://oeqc.doh.hawaii.gov/Shared%20Documents/EA_and_EIS_Online_Library/NEPA%20and%20Other%20Documents/Kahului%20Airport%20Access%20Road,%20Phase%20I.%20 ADA.pdf

That wasn't mentioned in the discussion quoted in the Maui News.

That wasn't mentioned in the discussion quoted in the Maui News.

But the Maui News article you mentioned gave us the link to be able to find the DOT files. ^

Reading the file, it sounds like they won't do the overpass .. which I think is a good thing for Maui. We don't have anything like that here, and nobody really wants it. The option with the loops would be good.

-David

But the Maui News article you mentioned gave us the link to be able to find the DOT files. ^

Reading the file, it sounds like they won't do the overpass .. which I think is a good thing for Maui. We don't have anything like that here, and nobody really wants it. The option with the loops would be good.

-David

I agree after re looking.

I just flew HA inter-island and really enjoyed the ability to fly HNL-OGG (stopover) then OGG-KOA (stopover) then KOA-HNL. It was good to do the OGG-KOA without having to go via HNL. I didnt notice any construction going on at OGG but I wasnt paying attention to the runway, more on the beautiful Maui scenery :)

Now if only they could put the ferry back in action :D and then we could skip the whole airport check in/TSA waste of time etc.

there's no runway construction yet. They have to talk about doing it for a few years, then figure out how to pay for it, then talk some more, then sleep on it, ...

-David

there's no runway construction yet. They have to talk about doing it for a few years, then figure out how to pay for it, then talk some more, then sleep on it, ...
And then have a ceremony to bless it.

And then have a ceremony to bless it.

E ko mo mai!:D

And then stop construction when they find something buried.

So, any actual word on the May 1 baggage change debacle?

Per HAs website, it was delayed until 6/1/12.

http://www.hawaiianair.com/help/Pages/Interline-Baggage-Statement.aspx