Asiana Club - New earning demotion for flying Air Canada

Thanks to post # 17. We got a new earning table updated March 9, 2013

Here's the new table:

Air Canada

Business J 125%

Discounted Business C, D, Z 100%

Economy Y, B, M, U, H, Q, V, W, S 100%

Discounted Economy
*N, *G, *P, *E, *A, *T, *L, *K
*International routes excluding Canada ↔ U.S 50%

Discounted Domestic Economy (Tango fares)
N, G, P, E, A 0% (no miles)
Domestic routes within Canada ↔ U.S

Award Fare
O, I, F, X 0% (no miles)

Minimum mileage C, Y 500 (※ J : 625 / N,G,P,E,A : 250)

There maybe confusing info on domestic Tango N,G,P,E,A, of 0 miles yet get minimum 250 (!?)

My best educated guess is this. Discounted domestic routes (Tango fares) within Canada earns flat 0 miles. Discounted domestic routes (Tango fares) between Canada and US earns 50% of status miles with if credited to Air canada. So it may mean you may earn 50% status miles with Asiana for discounted domestic fares (Tango) between US anda Canada if you credit it to Asiana and explains the minimum 250 status mileage earn for N, G, P, E, A fares.

http://us.flyasiana.com/Global/US/en/homepage?fid=CLUB15200

Effective Jan 1, 2012, there is a new earning table for Air Canada.

J - 125%
C, D, Z - 100%

Economy International (outside US/Canada)
Y, B, M, H, L, Q, S, U, V, R, W, K, T, N, G, P, E, A
- only 50%

Economy Domestic (within US/Cnaada)
N, G, P, E, A, K, T
- flat rate 250 miles

Y, B, M, H, L, Q, S, U, V, R, W
- only 50%

Award fares
O, I, F, X
- 250 miles !??

Not sure if the error in the chart but award tickets earn miles too:confused:

http://us.flyasiana.com/Global/US/en/homepage?fid=CLUB15200

Just noticed that as well. I thought there were some fares that earned 100% EQM before this change. Oh, well! I guess I just have to credit to UA or US whenever I fly AC metal from now on.

LAX

Effective Jan 1, 2012, there is a new earning table for Air Canada.

J - 125%
C, D, Z - 100%

Economy International (outside US/Canada)
Y, B, M, H, L, Q, S, U, V, R, W, K, T, N, G, P, E, A
- only 50%

Economy Domestic (within US/Cnaada)
N, G, P, E, A, K, T
- flat rate 250 miles

Y, B, M, H, L, Q, S, U, V, R, W
- only 50%

Award fares
O, I, F, X
- 250 miles !??

Not sure if the error in the chart but award tickets earn miles too:confused:

http://us.flyasiana.com/Global/US/en/homepage?fid=CLUB15200

That basically makes it impossible to credit AC flights to OZ.

That basically makes it impossible to credit AC flights to OZ.

Except maybe the award flights?!:D

LAX

Super disappointing -

Was restrictive last year but this makes it even more impossible to earn status within AC metal.

AC recently demoted their 35000/year status mile Star Gold level to Star Silver. They then added a 50000/year status mile tier and a 75000/year status mile tier along with their highest 100,000/year status mile tier.

I think Asiana want to prevent any Air Canada Aeroplan members with a mere 35000 status miles and travel only domesticlly to flood to Asiana.

I am based in Canada but most travel is trans-pacific. It means no more flying with Air Canada through trans-pacific routes but instead route with United through San Francisco/Los Angeles and to the final Asian destination.

The good side for Asiana is if I do route through San Francisco/Los Angeles, I could technically board Asiana for the trans-pacific flight. I hope Asiana get their UA connecting agreement (codeshares) right because right now I can't get on a Asiana flight without paying a premium. It is treated as a seperate fare...

AC recently demoted their 35000/year status mile Star Gold level to Star Silver. They then added a 50000/year status mile tier and a 75000/year status mile tier along with their highest 100,000/year status mile tier.

I think Asiana want to prevent any Air Canada Aeroplan members with a mere 35000 status miles and travel only domesticlly to flood to Asiana.

I am based in Canada but most travel is trans-pacific. It means no more flying with Air Canada through trans-pacific routes but instead route with United through San Francisco/Los Angeles and to the final Asian destination.

The good side for Asiana is if I do route through San Francisco/Los Angeles, I could technically board Asiana for the trans-pacific flight. I hope Asiana get their UA connecting agreement (codeshares) right because right now I can't get on a Asiana flight without paying a premium. It is treated as a seperate fare...

Not sure if that is OZ's motivation, but why does OZ not have similar policy for US-based frequent flyer? My guess is that the tightening comes from AC, not OZ. In any event, AC is definitely not an option when crediting to OZ since 50% (or even 0% :eek:) is a huge penalty to take unless the fare is ultra-cheap.

LAX

AC recently demoted their 35000/year status mile Star Gold level to Star Silver. They then added a 50000/year status mile tier and a 75000/year status mile tier along with their highest 100,000/year status mile tier.

I think Asiana want to prevent any Air Canada Aeroplan members with a mere 35000 status miles and travel only domesticlly to flood to Asiana.

I am based in Canada but most travel is trans-pacific. It means no more flying with Air Canada through trans-pacific routes but instead route with United through San Francisco/Los Angeles and to the final Asian destination.

The good side for Asiana is if I do route through San Francisco/Los Angeles, I could technically board Asiana for the trans-pacific flight. I hope Asiana get their UA connecting agreement (codeshares) right because right now I can't get on a Asiana flight without paying a premium. It is treated as a seperate fare...
Just drive to SEA.
It's not that long.

This doesnt affect me, but just curious if this kind of thing is allowed under *A rules for earning and redeeming reciprocity among carriers?

I think that is dependent on whether the FFP has a minimum segment to earn Top Tier status or even a higher mileage amount (Miles and More) depending on country of residence to qualify for Top Tier.

AC has a 5 segment or 10,000 EQM minimum and I believe UA has a 4 segment minimum.

An AC forum regular contacted OZ about this, and they responding that it is a mistake. From the AC forum...

There's an error on OZ's website, I contacted them and this is what they replied with:

Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting Asiana Club - Asiana Airlines Regional Headquarters, the Americas.

We apologize for the confusion. We have contacted our headquarters to get it fixed on our website. The following booking classes on Air Canada accumulate 100% of the miles on an Asiana Club account:

Y, B, M, U, H, Q, V, W, S, T, L, K

Thank you for your inquiry.

Best,

Asiana Club
Asiana Airlines Regional Headquarters, the Americas
Tel: 1-800-227-4262
Fax: 213-380-1688 / 213-365-9226
email: usasianaclub@flyasiana.com

Pretty much tango+ gives 100% I think

This doesnt affect me, but just curious if this kind of thing is allowed under *A rules for earning and redeeming reciprocity among carriers?
It is generally up to the operating carrier to state what fares they will credit the FFP Airline. In this case I believe AC said no to these fares and then OZ made a commercial decision to pass this onto it members.
I have found it common that cheaper or not so cheap fares are no longer crediting to other *A programmes, some do for the operating carrier FFP or not at all.:td:

given the updated chart, the new question for me is whether the domestic tango fares actually do get 250 miles. i might even try it out anyway when i do my next <500mile segment on AC. i'm sure i'll survive without the extremely generous 101 aeroplan points.

given the updated chart, the new question for me is whether the domestic tango fares actually do get 250 miles. i might even try it out anyway when i do my next <500mile segment on AC. i'm sure i'll survive without the extremely generous 101 aeroplan points.

That would be useful to credit YVR YYJ....

It was a mistake when they updated the chart for AC. If you go to the site right now, the chart has been updated again to reflect the following earning for AC flights:

J 125%
C, D, Z 100%
Y, B, M, H, L, Q, S, U, V, R, W, *K, *T 100%
N*, G*, P*, E*, A*
*International routes excluding Canada ↔ U.S 50%
O, I, F, X 250
N, G, P, E, A
*Domestic routes within Canada ↔ U.S

Effective Jan 1, 2012
*N, *G, *P, *E, *A : 100% → 50%

http://us.flyasiana.com/Global/US/en/homepage?fid=CLUB15200

It was a mistake when they updated the chart for AC. If you go to the site right now, the chart has been updated again to reflect the following earning for AC flights:

J 125%
C, D, Z 100%
Y, B, M, H, L, Q, S, U, V, R, W, *K, *T 100%
N*, G*, P*, E*, A*
*International routes excluding Canada ↔ U.S 50%
O, I, F, X 250
N, G, P, E, A
*Domestic routes within Canada ↔ U.S

Effective Jan 1, 2012
*N, *G, *P, *E, *A : 100% → 50%

http://us.flyasiana.com/Global/US/en/homepage?fid=CLUB15200

The bolded change still makes flying AC metal difficult when crediting to OZ.

LAX

Hey, first post on Asiana forum! Nice to be in a new program!
i'm gonna qualify for Diamond after 1 year 2 months (just in time after my Elite Aeroplan was over...would have been way sooner if they didn't change so often their earn mileage on air canada)
They did change a lot the earning table lately, making some subtle changes that really affects both domestic and international flights...
I flew Canada-Costa Rica on Air Canada on Tango plus at that time, and they changed their table 1rst november 2012...flew end of november and yes even with a tango plus fare you get 50% of miles...
Then, flew domestic flight, still on Tango plus (or flex now) but for some reasons that was booked in T class...50% of miles for a fully paid rate that would have earned me 100% miles on air canada...
Only plus thing is even on T fare, i got the 500 miles minimum in Y...

Well, i don't know if it's coming from Asiana or Aeroplan/Air Canada but it's getting hard to hit good status in so many programs now...
Still pretty happy hitting Diamond with Asiana...
Even if it's not as good for $ for miles, i like the flexibility of the awards...

Here's the new table:

Air Canada
(2003. 3. 1) Business J 125%
C, D, Z 100%
Economy Y, B, M, U, H, Q, V, W, S 100%
*N, *G, *P, *E, *A
*International routes excluding Canada ↔ U.S 50%
*T, *L, *K
No - Miles O, I, F, X 0%
N, G, P, E, A
*Domestic routes within Canada ↔ U.S
Minimum mileage C, Y 500 (※ J : 625 / N,G,P,E,A : 250)
Effective Jan 1, 2012
*N, *G, *P, *E, *A : 100% → 50%

Effective Nov 1, 2012
*T, L, K : 100% → 50%


Also, i have some questions since i'm new with Asiana!
If i registered decembre 2011, and just got to 40 000 miles, it means i'll have the 'early' qualification for Diamond until december 2013, and then still keep the Diamond until december 2015 ???
If that's the case, might be a really good program for someone interested mainly in Star Alliance Gold and not so much in upgrades...

Also, i'm trying to find infos about the 'coupons' on the website, but it's hard!
If i got it , i already have a 'gold' coupon of 5000 miles rebate for an award?
Is it valid for a star alliance redemption?
Then i'm gonna get 50% percent coupon rebate for an upgrade but i saw it might also be a 10 000 rebate for a regular award??? Same question, is it valid for star alliance? And can you combine the 5000 + 10 000 ?

Thanks a lot!

Also, i have some questions since i'm new with Asiana!
If i registered decembre 2011, and just got to 40 000 miles, it means i'll have the 'early' qualification for Diamond until december 2013, and then still keep the Diamond until december 2015 ???
If that's the case, might be a really good program for someone interested mainly in Star Alliance Gold and not so much in upgrades...

Also, i'm trying to find infos about the 'coupons' on the website, but it's hard!
If i got it , i already have a 'gold' coupon of 5000 miles rebate for an award?
Is it valid for a star alliance redemption?
Then i'm gonna get 50% percent coupon rebate for an upgrade but i saw it might also be a 10 000 rebate for a regular award??? Same question, is it valid for star alliance? And can you combine the 5000 + 10 000 ?

Thanks a lot!

Welcome to the forum! I'll try and answer as many of your questions as possible in bullet point form:

- That's correct, you're in your first qualification period right now, so you are qualifying for 2013-2015. Due to Asiana's early qualification period, however, you will already benefit from *G status from the point you met the qualification criteria. You're correct in your assessment that Asiana's FFP is great for reaching status. I believe it's the easiest program other than Aegean.

- I've never actually managed to use a coupon so far, but I think they're only valid for OZ flights, not *A, and only for flights you yourself are taking (I recently tried to use a coupon when booking an award flight for someone else, and they wouldn't let me).
- The 50% coupon should also be usable for 10,000 miles (in case you don't want an upgrade but an award ticket). When I called about using a coupon, they only wanted to credit me 5,000 miles though. They might have thought I was talking about the gold coupon - I called the reservations number in Korea and got an agent with mediocre English.
- You can't use the coupons cumulatively

Thanks for all your answers Jon503! Really appreciated!
The 'virtual' card when i log on asiana shows exp date in 2014...we'll see when they ship my new Diamond card...
Should i call to make sure they send it? (just been reading some post that it might not be automatic?)
Thanks again!
I'll let you know if i ever try to book an award with a coupon!

Can't hurt. It takes them a while to send it, so it may well arrive on its own, but there have been cases of it not arriving. I got impatient with my card as well and called. They told me they had already sent it, but would send another one anyway. The original one took 3 weeks to arrive in the end, and somehow I got not two, but 3 cards! This was the silver card, btw. My gold and diamond cards arrived quickly without a hitch. I had those sent to an address in Korea though, so that might have expedited matters.