JetBlue TrueBlue - B6 announce BOS-DFW

Finally!! B6 has continuation more expansion to DFW from BOS. So here the official announcement from B6.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/06/all-things-travel-jetblue-to-begin-service-from-boston-to-dallas/

At least this might bring AA's fares under $500 roundtrip.

At least this might bring AA's fares under $500 roundtrip.

Ya, AA will be big pissed on B6. B6 is coming into DFW. There goes some more tougher competition against AA. Maybe AA will matched the fares. Those customer who cannot afford to flying more than $500 RT. They will get a real special fare is $99 one-way trip.

Spirit Airlines just announced BOS-DFW too (and other new DFW routes). I guess competitors see AA's bankruptcy as a great time to enter AA's DFW fortress hub.

Virgin America added DFW a few months ago...DFW pricing will no longer be as AA dominated as it used to be on a number of routes.

This is a good move for B6, a business route out of BOS and for what it's worth AA is going to be distracted in bankruptcy the next 2 years. Good foothold for B6, I would expect maybe a few more frequencies if demand is good for them.

it is probably one of the worst announcements this week for AA exec's.

it is probably one of the worst announcements this week for AA exec's.

I assume that you are being sarcastic. ;)

I do believe that AA has a strong track record of defending its DFW hub Furthermore, the competition certainly makes the banruptcy case stronger -- makes a pressing case to reduce overall costs.

Finally, indeed.

Hopefully DFW-JFK won't be too far behind.

Well, it's official release from B6. Here they are:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/JetBlue-Boston-Service-Grows-prnews-2151659121.html?x=0

Enjoy!

Great news! I hate stopping over on the way down there.

Great news! I hate stopping over on the way down there.

I bet JetBlue will do LGA to BOS as well with those slots. Wouldn't be surprised on LGA to BOS, LGA to DCA, LGA to Chicago Ohare and I dunno what else will fit.

Makes sense so people flying from LGA can get to Dallas on a connection flight thru Boston.

I bet JetBlue will do LGA to BOS as well with those slots. Wouldn't be surprised on LGA to BOS, LGA to DCA, LGA to Chicago Ohare and I dunno what else will fit.You're talking about three VERY heavily competitive routes where the number of daily frequencies is in the dozens. There's no way that adding 8 more frequencies on any one, much less on the three combined, will result in something that is financially viable IMO.

Makes sense so people flying from LGA can get to Dallas on a connection flight thru Boston.
Flying an hour the wrong direction just to catch one of the three daily flights to DFW doesn't make sense at all.

My new theory (though I know it is not rational) for the LGA/DCA slots is to throw all of them at DFW and go up against AA hard-core (http://boardingarea.com/blogs/thewanderingaramean/2011/12/theres-probably-a-good-reason-im-not-a-route-planner/). It is enough frequencies to run real competition and solid enough markets with minimal other service that there could be room to make some real money. The hard part is that the stage length is high meaning fleet utilization and yield issues. But it sure would be entertaining.

This may be my BOS-based bias here, but I think that B6 is flying BOS-DFW not to "compete with AA," but to provide a destination for BOS-based business travelers.

The company has been repeatedly emphasizing how happy they are with their BOS numbers, if you read their conference call transcripts.

While many on here (understandably) do not like B6's FF program, I think the bigger issue for BOS-based travelers who are not so FF-obsessed is simply lack of destinations (e.g., ATL, MIA, STL, BNA, CLE, DTW) they serve. Adding DFW seems to fill a substantial hole in their network. Indeed, they mention in their press release that this was their #1 request from customers, so I assume that had to play a role in this decision.

I therefore have a hard time seeing them starting LGA-DFW, given that B6 is not exactly strong at either LGA or DFW. But it will be very interesting to see what they do with these slots.

I therefore have a hard time seeing them starting LGA-DFW, given that B6 is not exactly strong at either LGA or DFW. But it will be very interesting to see what they do with these slots.


They are quite strong at LGA. Flights to FLL,MCO, and PBI do extremely well. It's just going to be difficult to do LGA-DFW, agreed.

... but to provide a destination for BOS-based business travelers.
... Adding DFW seems to fill a substantial hole in their network.

I therefore have a hard time seeing them starting LGA-DFW, given that B6 is not exactly strong at either LGA or DFW.
So the NYC-based business travelers who have the same (lack of ) options to DFW don't deserve the B6 love?

It would depend on how much of the NYC-DFW traffic is O/D versus connecting but I bet a few turns daily from LGA would fill up OK.

And, even though they can claim they're doing it for their customers, they are also clearly attacking a competitor that has a monopoly on the route. Those are customers who the company hopes will now shift business. That's the goal every time a route is launched.

So the NYC-based business travelers who have the same (lack of ) options to DFW don't deserve the B6 love?

I don't think I said that, did I?

It would depend on how much of the NYC-DFW traffic is O/D versus connecting but I bet a few turns daily from LGA would fill up OK.

This is above my pay grade. I assume they'll use the LGA slots in whatever manner appears most profitable. It seems that their LGA flights currently are to leisure destinations. So DFW would seem to represent a shift in strategy.

And, even though they can claim they're doing it for their customers, they are also clearly attacking a competitor that has a monopoly on the route. Those are customers who the company hopes will now shift business. That's the goal every time a route is launched.

Sure.

Looks like DL is launching LGA-DFW and LGA-MIA as part of their LGA expansion. I would think that this decreases the likelihood of B6 launching this route.

Looks like DL is launching LGA-DFW and LGA-MIA as part of their LGA expansion. I would think that this decreases the likelihood of B6 launching this route.

Agreed.

I would still be suprised if B6 was considering LGA-DFW before JFK-DFW. For B, LGA is a strickly O&D station. JFK, you atleast get to have connecting traffic added to the mix.

Don't forget, either station also has AA competition.

I just booked B6 from DFW to BOS instead of flying WN with a connection at BWI. AA did not have a cheap fares and I was not leaving at 1am on Spirit.

Never flown on B6, but I have heard good things.

Does anyone know which terminal they will be flying out of at DFW?

I just booked B6 from DFW to BOS instead of flying WN with a connection at BWI. AA did not have a cheap fares and I was not leaving at 1am on Spirit.

Never flown on B6, but I have heard good things.

Does anyone know which terminal they will be flying out of at DFW?

It has not been announced yet, but I would guess it would be terminal E
with the other airlines besides AA. If B6 ended at terminal A,B,C then the AA & B6 merger rumors may heat up .

It has not been announced yet, but I would guess it would be terminal E
with the other airlines besides AA. If B6 ended at terminal A,B,C then the AA & B6 merger rumors may heat up .

The rumor mills can stay closed as I found this article that said JetBlue will be in Terminal E:

DFW International Airport Welcomes JetBlue Airways Service to Boston
Renowned low-cost carrier starts service in May 2012 with three daily flights

DFW AIRPORT, Texas, Dec. 7, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) International Airport today announced that JetBlue Airways will serving DFW with three daily flights to Boston Logan International Airport, starting next May. The arrival of JetBlue at DFW continues the Airport's momentum of adding new air service, following a record year in 2011.

"Landing JetBlue at DFW is tremendous news for our Airport and for the passengers we serve," said Jeff Fegan, CEO of DFW International Airport. "We are pleased to welcome an innovative and respected carrier such as JetBlue, and we are confident DFW travelers will enjoy the great service, flight options and low fares that JetBlue provides."

JetBlue will fly three times daily to Dallas/Fort Worth starting on May 1, 2012, utilizing 100-seat Embraer 190 aircraft. Tickets will go on sale on December 13, 2011.

"We're excited to bring our Boston customers what they've been asking for – more options for their business and leisure travel to Dallas/Fort Worth," said JetBlue's Vice President Sales and Revenue Management Dennis Corrigan. "Our three daily non-stop flights are scheduled at optimal times to maximize convenience, and with the recent addition of new gates and ticket counter space at Logan, customers flying in and out of Boston will experience easier travel than ever before."

JetBlue is based in New York with a hub at JFK International Airport, and also serves the largest share of passenger traffic at Boston Logan International Airport. Known for its customer service, leather seating and on-board amenities, JetBlue offers the most legroom in coach of any U.S. airline, and serves 68 cities with 650 daily flights system wide.

JetBlue will become the 20th passenger airline serving DFW when it launches service at Terminal E.

Spirit Airlines just announced BOS-DFW too (and other new DFW routes). I guess competitors see AA's bankruptcy as a great time to enter AA's DFW fortress hub.

Virgin America added DFW a few months ago...DFW pricing will no longer be as AA dominated as it used to be on a number of routes.

AA is doing a good job of dismantaling their DFW fortress on their own by cancelling DFW-BUR in February; a route run by B737/M80 with NO direct LCC competition.

AA is doing a good job of dismantaling their DFW fortress on their own by cancelling DFW-BUR in February; a route run by B737/M80 with NO direct LCC competition.

How does the cancellation of one destination equal the dismantling of the DFW hub!?

How does the cancellation of one destination equal the dismantling of the DFW hub!?

Its not just the end of one destination; well publicised are the DEL and BRU cancellations as well. It is one thing to draw down unprofitable routes; another to close a monopoly route on mainline equipment while dumping cheap tickets against a glossy competitor and dumping EQMs while at it.

Its not just the end of one destination; well publicised are the DEL and BRU cancellations as well.
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DEL is from ORD, not DFW. Ditto for BRU. AA isn't dismantling the DFW hub at all.

I bet JetBlue will do LGA to BOS as well with those slots. Wouldn't be surprised on LGA to BOS, LGA to DCA, LGA to Chicago Ohare and I dunno what else will fit.

Makes sense so people flying from LGA can get to Dallas on a connection flight thru Boston.

You're talking about three VERY heavily competitive routes where the number of daily frequencies is in the dozens. There's no way that adding 8 more frequencies on any one, much less on the three combined, will result in something that is financially viable IMO.

Wrong. If B6 can undercut the OUTRAGEOUS BOS-LGA fares SIGNIFICANTLY, they will get A LOT of traffic.

:confused:

DEL is from ORD, not DFW. Ditto for BRU. AA isn't dismantling the DFW hub at all.

Right. AA has flies ORD-DEL and not DFW. Soon, AA will be discontinued service.

Now, how about BOS-PHL?

Wrong. If B6 can undercut the OUTRAGEOUS BOS-LGA fares SIGNIFICANTLY, they will get A LOT of traffic.
If they are only selling the seats at a bargain price that doesn't make the route financially viable. And that's all I said. The company paid a ton of cash for these slots. They have to find a way to use them which will generate significant revenue, not just to sell lots of seats.
Now, how about BOS-PHL?
I'd be a bit surprised if PHL opens as a new station this year. Not completely shocked, but a bit surprised.

If they are only selling the seats at a bargain price that doesn't make the route financially viable. And that's all I said. The company paid a ton of cash for these slots. They have to find a way to use them which will generate significant revenue, not just to sell lots of seats.

I'd be a bit surprised if PHL opens as a new station this year. Not completely shocked, but a bit surprised.

Its been rumored that B6 is looking for a new station. There was talk late 2011 that they were looking very closely at opening at 1 of 3 possible locations, 2 were in the NYC area. Also, a new carrier is going to be coming to PHF.

Its been rumored that B6 is looking for a new station. There was talk late 2011 that they were looking very closely at opening at 1 of 3 possible locations, 2 were in the NYC area. Also, a new carrier is going to be coming to PHF.

ISP and PVD are the most promising right now based on public activities. PHF seems off the table as the airport authority is saying it isn't happening.

There is one other reason I feel jetBlue, as well as Spirit and Virgin, are coming to the Dallas market now and it is as much WN as AA. Wright goes away in 2 years. With AA involved in bankruptcy this may be a good way to get a Dallas foothold before WN opens DAL to nonstops to the NorthEast.

Today jetBlue launched DFW from BOS, wonder if they will ever go JFK-DFW. Was looking at possibly booking a flight for June and the flights are already relatively full, looks like this may work out nicely for jetBlue.

I am flying DFW to BOS in 5/13 and the seat map was pretty empty for a long time and I was able to get two credits as they dropped the price twice. I started at $149 and credits of $30. Now the price has doubled and the flight is 80% full.


I will report on my experience when I return.

I am flying DFW to BOS in 5/13 and the seat map was pretty empty for a long time and I was able to get two credits as they dropped the price twice. I started at $149 and credits of $30. Now the price has doubled and the flight is 80 full.


I will report on my experience when I return.

Really? That's empty? I thought the route wasn't doing so good. I think they will have reduced the frequency from 3rd to 2nd daily RT.

Well if you look into June there are plenty of days when the flights are already pretty full. I looked at one of the flights for today out of curiosity and noticed that the flight was about 20% full.

I just looked at a couple Wednesdays in May, and the seat maps are showing over 80% full.

I wasn't expecting that they would be flying a four-hour flight with the smaller (E190?) jets, and I didn't even know that these jets had that much range, but it's probably a good way to launch the service.

In my opinion the 190 is perfect for this route, just don't sit in row 11 with no recline. I'm 6'3 and felt a little tight without the recline. This was on TPA-HPN yesterday. I've flown AUS-BOS on the 190 and felt it was a nice ride.

B6 will do well on this route, I would assume there will be some additional frequencies added as it builds up.

I just looked at a couple Wednesdays in May, and the seat maps are showing over 80% full.

I wasn't expecting that they would be flying a four-hour flight with the smaller (E190?) jets, and I didn't even know that these jets had that much range, but it's probably a good way to launch the service.

B6 set the record about 4 years ago for longest flight by an E190. They did a dead head flight returning from a charter: ANC-BUF.

B6 set the record about 4 years ago for longest flight by an E190. They did a dead head flight returning from a charter: ANC-BUF.

Returning Palin's Leased Plane

Returning Palin's Leased Plane

Yup... I'm glad someone else remembers. :)

That's one long flight.

I read somewhere that they are going to the A320 in the summer when there is increased demand. I am flying DFW to BOS on Sunday and report the experience I have.

Flew the 6:50 flight this morning. Got to DFW at 5:30 to no line at check in but a TSA line stretched across the whole terminal. I went outside and went down to the next checkpoint where there was no line.

B6's one gate is E10

The flight was 95% full. I was in row 14 and had unexpected surprise of an extra more space row. On our plane row 1,12,13,and 14 were extra more space.

The flight was scheduled for 3hr 55min but we landed 45 min early talk about scheduled padding. I had no problem with small plane and would fly it again.

One nice touch was as we were leaving the entire staff was on the tarmac holding a banner that said y'all come back.

Flew the 6:50 flight this morning. Got to DFW at 5:30 to no line at check in but a TSA line stretched across the whole terminal. I went outside and went down to the next checkpoint where there was no line.

B6's one gate is E10

The flight was 95% full. I was in row 14 and had unexpected surprise of an extra more space row. On our plane row 1,12,13,and 14 were extra more space.

The flight was scheduled for 3hr 55min but we landed 45 min early talk about scheduled padding. I had no problem with small plane and would fly it again.

One nice touch was as we were leaving the entire staff was on the tarmac holding a banner that said y'all come back.

Most interesting, in my opinion, is that they've started adding the additional EMS seats to the E-190s.

I'm disappointed to hear that they are doing so in the middle of the plane. One of the big benefits of EMS (save the exit rows) on the A320s is getting off the plane first.

Most interesting, in my opinion, is that they've started adding the additional EMS seats to the E-190s.

I'm disappointed to hear that they are doing so in the middle of the plane. One of the big benefits of EMS (save the exit rows) on the A320s is getting off the plane first.

We are currently in the process of reconfiguring the 190 fleet to add rows 13 and 14 to the EMS section. We will not be selling rows 13 and 14 as EMS until the entire fleet has been reconfigured.

On my flight the traditional EMS rows were full in row 1 and row 12 had 2 B6 pilots.

I agree that if you are going to add more ems rows do it in the front of the plane.

Also surprised that a good number of people were connecting to clt,dca, jfk, and they even announced a couple going to dublin.

If we added EMS seats at the front of the aircraft , say rows 2 and 3 we would either have to take out a row or rows 4-11 would be down to around 28 or 30" of leg room. With the way the plane is configured, rows, seats, and exits the back section of the aircraft and 2 extra inches of leg room already. By putting the EMS in rows 13 and 14, rows 15-25 will now have the same leg room as rows 2-11. That's why the decision was made to add it to the middle of the aircraft. EMS was never designed to have the benefit of being the first off of the aircraft. It just worked out that way with the 320s. EMS was designed to give those who wanted it extra leg room and early access to the overhead bins. So more leg room and first on. Currently row 12 an EMS row on the 190's and we've had, at least from what I've heard, no complaints about it being in the middle of the aircraft.

DFW has been an awesome city for us right from the get go. She came out of the gates swinging. People wanted an alternative to AA and we are glad that they are giving us a try! Even if it means connecting in BOS!

DFW has been an awesome city for us right from the get go. She came out of the gates swinging. People wanted an alternative to AA and we are glad that they are giving us a try! Even if it means connecting in BOS!

Could we see some additional flights sooner rather than later?

Good for B6

Could we see some additional flights sooner rather than later?

Good for B6

Yes, they will able additional more flight. Maybe in the future. If those route is doing extremely very well. It will get more tougher competition against AA. Maybe you will see B6 will start more nonstop DFW-FLL/LAX/SFO/SEA/ORD/MCO and etc.

you may see additional flights to and from BOS or maybe an upgauge in equipment but I don't think we will be seeing flights to FLL or MCO anytime soon. Although I could be dead wrong. I'd like to see some additional flights out of DFW!

you may see additional flights to and from BOS or maybe an upgauge in equipment but I don't think we will be seeing flights to FLL or MCO anytime soon. Although I could be dead wrong. I'd like to see some additional flights out of DFW!

I think I would agree with you. Let's wait and see. If those route has done extremely very well. Later in the future, they will start more specific new route & additonal more new frequencies. You will find out sometime in the future.