Hawaii-based Airlines - Hawaiian's US expansion strategy

I think I have this figured out now. I was clearly wrong about them expanding further into Asia/Pacific before the US East Coast.

Anyway, apparently their expansion strategy is to fly to any city that has an L&L Drive Inn.

http://g.co/maps/7y8zq

-David

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From what I heard, HA has a number of the major US East Coast cities on their list. Providing that JFK bookings remain strong, perhaps we'll see a new city towards the end of 2012? DC would be nice, as they are currently without service to Hawaii. How about Orlando?

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From what I heard, HA has a number of the major US East Coast cities on their list. Providing that JFK bookings remain strong, perhaps we'll see a new city towards the end of 2012? DC would be nice, as they are currently without service to Hawaii. How about Orlando?


DC would be amazing ...... United gave dc the ghetto treatment on service to Hawaii as it is now the only hub without service.......:(

Anyway, apparently their expansion strategy is to fly to any city that has an L&L Drive Inn.

http://g.co/maps/7y8zq

-David

But of course! L&L is the only Hawaiian restaurant in NYC, close to South Street Seaport on Fulton St.

DC would be amazing ...... United gave dc the ghetto treatment on service to Hawaii as it is now the only hub without service.......:(

Yes, HA nonstop service from DC would be the big sleeper of a market about to be awaken. ^

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I like the logic but not sure HA wants a bloodbath with AS over ANC- after all we do have two L&L's right now :cool: (not the same as in the islands though :( )

Like the idea though ^

Who needs market research when you have the L&L strategy? :D

-David

http://hawaiianbarbecue.com/live/locations/store-locator/

Following L&L would mean adding destinations like:

Salt Lake City
Colorado Springs
Dallas
Anchorage
Auckland

http://hawaiianbarbecue.com/live/locations/store-locator/

Following L&L would mean adding destinations like:

Salt Lake City
Colorado Springs
Dallas
Anchorage
Auckland
And if you add cities/states that previously had L&L BBQs, you'd be looking at BDL and many other expansion airports as well.

And if you add cities/states that previously had L&L BBQs, you'd be looking at BDL and many other expansion airports as well.
:D

But wait, they are trying again in Connecticut in Trumbull! So does this mean I get direct HA service from BDL to HNL soon?
http://hawaiianbarbecue.com/live/locations/connecticut/
The couple they opened in Connecticut a few years ago closed. I actually had a Mahi-Mahi plate lunch at the Manchester location. Wasn't that great.

Seriously, there's an outside chance that a snow-diverted HA plane trying to land at JFK, could land up at BDL instead. We even used to occasionally bag a Concorde.

But wait, they are trying again in Connecticut in Trumbull! So does this mean I get direct HA service from BDL to HNL soon?

Only if they are unable to land at the Trumbull Shopping Center. :D (Trumbull?)

-David

http://hawaiianbarbecue.com/live/locations/store-locator/

Following L&L would mean adding destinations like:

Salt Lake City
Colorado Springs
Dallas
Anchorage
Auckland

How about FLL, TPA, ATL, DTW, BOS, MCO, IAD. I think those route should be done extremely very well. There is no competitive at all. HA will have a considered to start more direct flight from HNL-FLL/ATL/DTW/BOS/IAD/MSY and etc.

PHL isn't far from NYC, but it's closer to EWR, while fairly few folks would drive from PHL to JFK or vice versa. It's a US hub, ranks 5th in population in the US as a city or a MSA (DC is 24th as city, 7th as MSA) and while JFK competes with EWR for NYC-area pax, PHL would compete for NE PA, central/south NJ, etc.

PHL isn't far from NYC, but it's closer to EWR, while fairly few folks would drive from PHL to JFK or vice versa. It's a US hub, ranks 5th in population in the US as a city or a MSA (DC is 24th as city, 7th as MSA) and while JFK competes with EWR for NYC-area pax, PHL would compete for NE PA, central/south NJ, etc.

Actually, this is slots restrictions. Because it was problem the congestion. I don't think it's happening anytime soon. EWR has lots of the congestions and they won't bring it in. EWR is getting more extremely overcrowded. Right now, there is no room or added more gate space.

Is HA reaching here? After all the East Coast has plenty of service from nearly every major airport to caribbean sun spots by a mix of LCC, legacy, and foreign carriers, all with flight times 1/2 to 1/3 less than that on a N/S East Coast to HNL.

Additionally, the caribbean offers all inclusive resorts and cruise ports, practically unavailable in Hawaii.

Who is the market for this kind of service?

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Is HA reaching here? After all the East Coast has plenty of service from nearly every major airport to caribbean sun spots by a mix of LCC, legacy, and foreign carriers, all with flight times 1/2 to 1/3 less than that on a N/S East Coast to HNL.

Additionally, the caribbean offers all inclusive resorts and cruise ports, practically unavailable in Hawaii.

Who is the market for this kind of service?

Let's not forget Hawaii residents and cargo to the mix. The latter probably the more lucrative of the two.

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Let's not forget Hawaii residents and cargo to the mix. The latter probably the more lucrative of the two.

Cargo? What exactly does the NYC metropolitan area produce that is in need for Hawaii? Likely cheaper and more efficient consolidating HNL bound freight on the west coast on a Kalitta B747.

Hawaii is a tiny population base to begin with, and I'd be willing to bet Hawaii expats are all concentrated in CA, Utah, and Vegas.

I'm calling it now; this route will be lucky to survive 18 months, with the aircraft eventually reallocated to Asia/Australia. AA is canning the year-round status of ORD-HNL; If they can't make a hub fed route like this work, how will HA?

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Let's not forget Hawaii residents and cargo to the mix. The latter probably the more lucrative of the two.

Cargo? What exactly does the NYC metropolitan area produce that is in need for Hawaii? Likely cheaper and more efficient consolidating HNL bound freight on the west coast on a Kalitta B747.

Hawaii is a tiny population base to begin with, and I'd be willing to bet Hawaii expats are all concentrated in CA, Utah, and Vegas.

I'm calling it now; this route will be lucky to survive 18 months, with the aircraft eventually reallocated to Asia/Australia. AA is canning the year-round status of ORD-HNL; If they can't make a hub fed route like this work, how will HA?

Nothing has to be produced in NYC metro for it to fly on the HA flight. Can be anywhere on the East Coast. Also, from your reference to ex-Haw residents, I take it that you're only thinking about people flying TO HNL, but there are a good number of people in the State with its 1.3M population who may use this route to get to NYC and points up/down the East Coast. Lots of chatter here about how people will/may/can now fly to NYC because of this flight.

Also HA may feed the routes from its Asia/S.Pac inbounds, if the cx is right.

I'm not saying the route will survive. Just that there's a lot more traffic (or traffic opportunities) than suggested in your original post.

I think the HNL-JFK route will do well. Continental has done the EWR-HNL route for many years and it's been quite successful. Would much prefer to go from the east coast to Hawaii via an east coast hub rather than the current HA western cities. Think it will do particularly well in the winter when flights to anyplace with a warm climate are often filled to capacity.

I think the HNL-JFK route will do well. Continental has done the EWR-HNL route for many years and it's been quite successful. Would much prefer to go from the east coast to Hawaii via an east coast hub rather than the current HA western cities. Think it will do particularly well in the winter when flights to anyplace with a warm climate are often filled to capacity.

We are talking about 1 flt a day from a massive hub with connecting traffic and hundreds of people cashing in miles weekly to take their exotic dream vacation, versus dozens of caribbean flights a day out of the eastern seaboard.

I'm just not convinced hundreds of additonal people weekly are going to pony up substantial airfare when there is a cheaper alternative 1/3 of the flight time away.

We are talking about 1 flt a day from a massive hub with connecting traffic and hundreds of people cashing in miles weekly to take their exotic dream vacation, versus dozens of caribbean flights a day out of the eastern seaboard.

I'm just not convinced hundreds of additonal people weekly are going to pony up substantial airfare when there is a cheaper alternative 1/3 of the flight time away.

True, but that's only from a NY perspective. HA can get tremendous feeder connecting traffic from elsewhere like Europe, using JFK as a hub. They don't need to rely solely on local NY outbound traffic to capture a market.

Does anyone know which Terminal in JFK they will fly out of? It would be great to see them in T8.

Does anyone know which Terminal in JFK they will fly out of? It would be great to see them in T8.

My HA reservation confirmation for August says T4 which is the international terminal. I agree T8 (AA) would be nice with all the AA feeder traffic and use of the Admiral's Club, especially since you can use AA miles for awards tix on HA. Even T5 for B6 connections would be nice. However, T4 mid-morning should be relatively empty for departure and 7am on arrival should be a breeze.

HA can get tremendous feeder connecting traffic from elsewhere like Europe, using JFK as a hub. They don't need to rely solely on local NY outbound traffic to capture a market.

I agree, but only if HA is able to sign decent codeshare agreements and offer decent fares with someone like B6 and/or some non-aligned international carriers that have flights timed properly with HA's single daily flight.

My worst nightmare was that JFK codeshare would end up like the old "codeshare" with HP/US at PHX, where the fares were totally non-competitive and the once-daily schedule was inconvenient. In addition, HA didn't even codeshare its late night flight from LAS, which was perfectly timed with HP/US former nighttime bank at LAS.

In addition, HA didn't even codeshare its late night flight from LAS, which was perfectly timed with HP/US former nighttime bank at LAS.

Interesting observation! I've flown US/HA redeye PHL-LAS-HNL. I know what you're talking about...:cool: