Hawaii-based Airlines - Consolidated "Hawaiian Airlines HNL-JFK service" Thread

Starting with a sale fare of about $450 r/t ai . Seats are extremely limited at this fare. Look for fare to hit early November 16.

It's great to have more non-stop competition to NYC area.

Starting with a sale fare of about $450 r/t ai . Seats are extremely limited at this fare. Look for fare to hit early November 16.

It's great to have more non-stop competition to NYC area.

HA050 HNL1505 - 0655+1JFK 332 D
HA051 JFK1000 - 1500HNL 332 D

http://airlineroute.net/2011/11/16/ha-hnljfk-jun12/

Very clever (and attractive) pricing for the month of June (must book by November 20):

Coach - $212+tax (NYC area code)
First - $808+tax (HNL area code)

http://www.hawaiianair.com/Specialoffers/Pages/NewYork-Flights.aspx?pid=New-York_Hawaii_homepage-pos1_20111115

HA050 HNL1505 - 0655+1JFK 332 D
HA051 JFK1000 - 1500HNL 332 D

http://airlineroute.net/2011/11/16/ha-hnljfk-jun12/

Wow!! Finally!! Just about time! I am so extremely, extremely happy to hear the news. Hopefully, HA will be done extremely very well. I bet they are exciting to take on HA nonstop JFK-HNL. Is that on weight restriction due to strong high headwinds gusts.

Any idea on what terminal in JFK they will be using and who they got the slot from?

^ Good question. I'll bet it will probably be in the United/British Airways terminal and take a spot from United.

TS

According to the article announcing JFK-HNL, HA wants to do more East Coast flying: link (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203611404577041710390977418.html).

Mr. Dunkerley said New York is the first in a line of Eastern U.S. cities the airline aims to serve in coming years. "All the big cities on the East Coast are on our list," he said.

Any speculation as to where?

According to Census 2010, the EC cities (I'm going to use Eastern time-zone) in the top 50 are as follows

NYC, PHL, JAX, IND, CLT , CMH, DTW, BWI, BOS, IAD, MIA, ORF, RDU, ATL, CLE


I'm going to go get some popcorn and sit back and watch the experts speculate as to where HA will go next on the East Coast.

Thanks!

The second I saw this I booked it for June for me and my gf.

Everyone knows that RT between JFK and HNL for $450 or less is a hell of a deal. I highly recommend that you book this IMMEDIATELY without thinking twice.

And Hawaiian Airlines is quite good. ^

I just booked two in F using AAdvantage miles for next August.:D

Mahalo, HA! ^^^

^ Good question. I'll bet it will probably be in the United/British Airways terminal and take a spot from United.

TS

Nope. T5 at JFK according to my reservation. That's the JetBlue terminal IIRC. Very nice.

sweet deals....

Wow, I'm shocked!!! I guess I'm wrong from time to time. All HA needs to do is have a codeshare with B6 to feed some incremental passengers to the flight and they're golden.

There shouldn't be any weight restrictions on the A330.

I just booked two in F using AAdvantage miles for next August.:D

Mahalo, HA! ^^^

FYI, HA uses recliner seats on this route. Unless you really prefer non-stop, you might want to check out AA throgh ORD or DFW instead. Otherwise in Y, HA looks much better then AA's product.

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Now if only HA would step up and improve their onboard premium product with some appropriate long haul seating, that would make then complete. Bad thing for HA too is that they can only rely on O/D traffic but perhaps they'll expand codeshares with an airline to feed this flight.

Any idea on what terminal in JFK they will be using and who they got the slot from?

My guess will be at T5 and gate 27. They will have reconfigured the gate 27. If Port Authority will have to approved it. They wll able fitted it inside the gate.

Thank you for the suggestion. But I've been doing AA LGA-DFW/ORD-HNL 3 times a year in F for 11 years now.

The saving of 2 1/2 to 3 hours each way, not dealing with the weather in one more airport or missed connections (there's been a few) trumps a dubious weggie seat that my wife doesn't like much anyway. And a little bit of Aloha would be a nice touch too. :)

I'm going to go get some popcorn and sit back and watch the experts speculate as to where HA will go next on the East Coast.


Indeed.
As I've posted in other threads, I'll be ecstatic when they hit Chicago.
But NYC is great. No complaints.

My 3rd preference would be MCO. This way I've got NY, FL, and IL covered!
All my Major Business hubs covered by my favorite Airline? NY, Chicago, Florida, and Southern Cal/Vegas (already covered)? Yikes!
Happy days! :D

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Now if only HA would step up and improve their onboard premium product with some appropriate long haul seating, that would make then complete. Bad thing for HA too is that they can only rely on O/D traffic but perhaps they'll expand codeshares with an airline to feed this flight.

Aren't they getting some more 332s in the early part of 2012...maybe they're finally gonna step up with a new interior config....

Nope. T5 at JFK according to my reservation. That's the JetBlue terminal IIRC. Very nice.Very nice indeed.

I am sure that IAD and Chicago would be next on their sights. Being that they are already close to the only other direct flight (UA/CO) from the NYC area, I wouldn't doubt they will also go after the Chicago and Washington DC area as well.
I'm left to wonder when they will start JFK - LAS - HNL service. That would seem logical as well.

TS

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Interesting... Saw this in the MR deals- always exciting to see new routes. When was the last time JFK-HNL n/s was served?

Yesterday my confirmation indicated departure of HA (JFK/HNL) being at Terminal 5 --- Today just checked to imput my ff # and noticed the Terminal for departure and arrival is Terminal 4 @ JFK.

I wonder how long those deals will last ? NYC-Hawaii for $450 is a steal!

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Interesting... Saw this in the MR deals- always exciting to see new routes. When was the last time JFK-HNL n/s was served?

I read on another forum that it was ATA with an L1011 late 90's .

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Now if only HA would step up and improve their onboard premium product with some appropriate long haul seating, that would make then complete. Bad thing for HA too is that they can only rely on O/D traffic but perhaps they'll expand codeshares with an airline to feed this flight.

Aren't they getting some more 332s in the early part of 2012...maybe they're finally gonna step up with a new interior config....

No reports of any yet?

I read on another forum that it was ATA with an L1011 late 90's .

Correct but, it just very short time. They doesn't have a last longer.

Any idea of what special events may happen on the inaugural from JFK? Certificate, etc?

Any idea of what special events may happen on the inaugural from JFK? Certificate, etc?

Yes, they will have a special inaugurate ceremony at the gate. You can see water salute where A330 is on taxiway. You will take a picture the water cannon salute. You will see it.

I'm sure the layovers will be popular with HA crews. ^

I had a friend that wanted me to with them on this first flight do people think it will be worth it? .....

I have heard good things about HA longhaul service In Y



Anyone unique planned onboard?

I'm sure the layovers will be popular with HA crews. ^

No, actually, some entire crews will have spent the night and they will able resume flying long-haul flight back to HNL. They have to change the crew during 9 hours in-flight.

I had a friend that wanted me to with them on this first flight do people think it will be worth it? .....

I have heard good things about HA longhaul service In Y



Anyone unique planned onboard?

From your colleague here in DC who was raised in Hawaii flying HA, I say yes, go for it. The Aloha spirit goes a long way, even to JFK. :)

Yesterday my confirmation indicated departure of HA (JFK/HNL) being at Terminal 5 --- Today just checked to imput my ff # and noticed the Terminal for departure and arrival is Terminal 4 @ JFK.

Awesome! Potentially good connections with VS at T4 to LHR. :p

Talk all around JFK this morning is that HA will be using T5 for both arrivals and departures. PANYNJ even has it listed on their website

Hawaiian Airline Flt 51 Details (http://timetables.oag.com/fe_tt//nyc/details.asp?FromToTextOn=off&txtDepID=NYC-JFK&chkFree=off&lang=EN&FromToType=dropdown&txtDYNAMIC_FROM=&txtDYNAMIC_TO=&txtDep=New+York+John+F+Kennedy+International+Apt&chkSearchedForConnex=&txtStartDirection=&optFlightDirection=From&chkMarketed=off&out2ID=&txtFlightDirection=From&submit1.x=44&submit1.y=10&chkReturn=&txtArr=Honolulu%2C+HI%2C+USA+-+All+Airports&txtArrOriginalName=Honolulu%2C+HI%2C+USA+-+All+Airports&Leg2ID=&SIDESTEP_Product_ID=00000018&DHTML_CODELOOKUP=False&txtArrID=HNL&preferredVisible_date=5+Jun+2012&preferred_date=6%2F5%2F2012&preferred_time=Any&preferred_airline_count=3&out1ID=&txtAirline1=&txtAirline1ID=&txtAirline2=&txtAirline2ID=&txtAirline3=&txtAirline3ID=&chkDirect=on&outpreferred_time=&outpreferred_date=&Leg1ID=1312087&d=)

Talk all around JFK this morning is that HA will be using T5 for both arrivals and departures. PANYNJ even has it listed on their website

Hawaiian Airline Flt 51 Details (http://timetables.oag.com/fe_tt//nyc/details.asp?FromToTextOn=off&txtDepID=NYC-JFK&chkFree=off&lang=EN&FromToType=dropdown&txtDYNAMIC_FROM=&txtDYNAMIC_TO=&txtDep=New+York+John+F+Kennedy+International+Apt&chkSearchedForConnex=&txtStartDirection=&optFlightDirection=From&chkMarketed=off&out2ID=&txtFlightDirection=From&submit1.x=44&submit1.y=10&chkReturn=&txtArr=Honolulu%2C+HI%2C+USA+-+All+Airports&txtArrOriginalName=Honolulu%2C+HI%2C+USA+-+All+Airports&Leg2ID=&SIDESTEP_Product_ID=00000018&DHTML_CODELOOKUP=False&txtArrID=HNL&preferredVisible_date=5+Jun+2012&preferred_date=6%2F5%2F2012&preferred_time=Any&preferred_airline_count=3&out1ID=&txtAirline1=&txtAirline1ID=&txtAirline2=&txtAirline2ID=&txtAirline3=&txtAirline3ID=&chkDirect=on&outpreferred_time=&outpreferred_date=&Leg1ID=1312087&d=)

Yes, some members on entire a.net was right about HA will operation in T5 and they will be at gate 27.

From today's Star-Advertiser, it seems the promo on this route went well:

Hawaiian spokesman Keoni Wagner said Thursday that response to the scheduled four-day, $212 one-way fare special for the New York route was "phenomenal" and that tickets for the June promotion period were sold out in less than 12 hours.

"By 2 p.m. (Wednesday) we had sold more than 8,000 seats -- enough to fill 27 A330 aircraft," he said. "A majority of the tickets were purchased in Hawaii, but there was strong response on both ends of the route."

Awesome news.

Checking the prices further into the future they seem comparable with the other direct flight in the region (UA/CO). At least now i have two choices to choose from. Drive 40 minutes to Newark and take UA/CO with E+ or 5 minutes to JFK and go Hawaiian.

TS

Hey guys! First off, I am a newb - this is my first post though I have been following FT for a bit. Maybe someone can help me...

I was so excited to see this awesome sale because my fiance and I were planning to get married in Hawaii in June so I snagged this as soon as I saw it. However, I waited 2 hours before officially booking, and I was only able to book 2 one way tickets for $210 each from JFK to HNL on June 7. However, I assumed I could book reward travel back... I called AA & they do not have much availability for saver pass miles (only on June 18, which might be too long- we were looking to only stay until the 14, 15, or 16 because it might be too expensive... plus work, etc.).

Now my question is- what's a girl to do? Do I hope to find another sale for a June return or does anyone have any mileage redemption ideas for me?

Here are some specifics:
Need 2 tickets
Would like to fly HNL-JFK or EWR on June 14-16ish
I have ~ 45k UA/CO miles
~ 90K AA miles.

Any help will be super appreciated! I could even go as far as making JFK a stop over and using miles to continue on to an international destination at a later time :)

Congratulations on your upcoming marriage!

As for what to do, as a NYer who travels to Hawaii often snagging awards in June on AA is not easy. However, let me suggest for coming back to the NY area you look at taking AA from HNL to either DFW, ORD or LAX and then connecting to any one of the three NYC airports (EWR/LGA/JFK). Also, for 75K miles, you can get 2x Mile Saver awards in First/Business (cabin depends on flight) for 37.5K miles each ticket one-way, but your weekend desire for travel will be a problem. Departure on a Monday - Wednesday will give you a better shot. Also, look at buying a one-way ticket and using the miles for upgrades, but that will also require some cash for the upgrade in addition to the cost of the ticket.

I suggest you subscribe to ExpertFlyer.com which does a good job in searching both awards and upgrades on AA and coach awards on HA, if you don't already have one. They have a free 5-day trial. AA AAdvantage miles can be used for award travel on HA under their All Airline award scheme but award inventory is limited. For HA flights, the coach award inventory using AA miles is T inventory and can be searched on ExpertFlyer as well.

As for a sale fare on HA during that period, that is very doubtful as they already sold out their promotion for June.

Use your AA miles on HA.
Oh, right no availability sorry....

You can also try using AA miles on Alaska HNL-SEA-EWR although availability for that is probably hard to find too.

Does anyone realize that the F cabin on this plane is about as bad as the UA 767-300 ghetto bird? Unless they reconfigure the seating the F seat is actually narrower than the UA 767. I'd try this new HA flight in coach but don't see how it could have a better F product than the CO flight.

Congratulations on your upcoming marriage!

As for what to do, as a NYer who travels to Hawaii often snagging awards in June on AA is not easy. However, let me suggest for coming back to the NY area you look at taking AA from HNL to either DFW, ORD or LAX and then connecting to any one of the three NYC airports (EWR/LGA/JFK). Also, for 75K miles, you can get 2x Mile Saver awards in First/Business (cabin depends on flight) for 37.5K miles each ticket one-way, but your weekend desire for travel will be a problem. Departure on a Monday - Wednesday will give you a better shot. Also, look at buying a one-way ticket and using the miles for upgrades, but that will also require some cash for the upgrade in addition to the cost of the ticket.

I suggest you subscribe to ExpertFlyer.com which does a good job in searching both awards and upgrades on AA and coach awards on HA, if you don't already have one. They have a free 5-day trial. AA AAdvantage miles can be used for award travel on HA under their All Airline award scheme but award inventory is limited. For HA flights, the coach award inventory using AA miles is T inventory and can be searched on ExpertFlyer as well.

As for a sale fare on HA during that period, that is very doubtful as they already sold out their promotion for June.

Thank you so much for your suggestions! Will definitely check it out & keep you updated :)

You can also try using AA miles on Alaska HNL-SEA-EWR although availability for that is probably hard to find too.

Good call! Will try that right away =)

Glad to hear of the new HA JFK-HNL route!

Currently waiting in LAS for the redeye to HNL and then connecting to LIH. Had a one and a half night stopover in LAS and caught a comedy magic show and walked down the strip. Doing an end-to-end with a frequent flier HA ticket. a SkyAuction RCI condo in Princeville and a cheap Expedia DL-Luxor package. Coming back I've got a 6 and a half hour layover in LAS. I'll probably be able to check my luggage straight through but I'll probably have to check-in a second time for myself in LAS (unless HA can combine the two tickets at the airport).

Would prefer just to take the HA JFK-HNL. If it's anything like the CO EWR-HNL flight, it should be fun. Still would have to get from BDL to JFK (probably train or airport limo; think BDL just has non-stop to EWR or LGA) but that's much easier than my normal creative bookings to get to Hawaii.

Hawaiian allows Pualani members to hold tickets for 2 days :)
The original holds were supposed to expire at 11:59 pm HST on the 18th. They were cleared sometime between 1:40 and 5:30 am. Not sure exactly when as I gave up at 1:40 am and logged back on at 5:30 am. Seats opened up on some days.

Found that for some days selecting a one way returned the cheap seat, but on other days, it didn't, even though the cheap seats were available. Booking a roundtrip got me relatively cheap (not the $212 ones :td:) seats both ways.

The holds reserved on the 19th will expire at 11:59 HST on the 21st. Good luck!

I really admire HA for sticking with a minimum number of domestic-style F seats.^^ No need to take up 1/3 of the aircraft for F seats which produce very little incremental revenue. The market for HA is the tourist, who doesn't want to spend their life savings on airline seats. Good job, Hawaiian!

As for JFK, I predict a codeshare agreement with B6 announced in early 2012.

Which lounge will they be using for F pax?

Which lounge will they be using for F pax?

Not sure. If it's T5 as rumored, don't think there is a big airport lounge other than the landside Moroso Lounge with somewhat funky furniture: http://t508.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/best-view-in-the-house-645-am/

HA does have codeshare alliances with other carriers so it's possible they might allow F class passengers into their lounge in another terminal. Although due to security considerations an independent landside lounge like the Oasis or the the Lounge in T4 might be easier to access (and are definitely accessible using a Priority Pass card).

It will be nice to have another option for a non-stop from the NYC area that's not CO :)

It will be nice to have another option for a non-stop from the NYC area that's not CO :)
But Mary, how will we get there from NJ?

Maybe it's time to move to LI.

Hey, I grew up not too far from JFK and used to watch the planes on approach. I'll just go back to Brooklyn and find my way from there :)

how will we get there from NJ?

Wait for the #7 train to make it to Secaucus. Yeah, that's gonna happen.

-David

Except I live at least an hour away from Secaucus :D

My original plan works best ^^ Visit the inlaws and then take the 15 minute drive to JFK ;)

Except I live at least an hour away from Secaucus :D

My original plan works best ^^ Visit the inlaws and then take the 15 minute drive to JFK ;)

kill two birds with one stone? :D

good plan. You know I grew up in the five towns, right?

-David

No, I didn't. Howdy neighbor :) I'm originally from Mill Basin ^^

Hi all,
Is anyone else on this board attending the launch party Monday nite in NYC? If so, please pm me - I will definitely be there!

Cheers,
J-H

Hi all,
Is anyone else on this board attending the launch party Monday nite in NYC? If so, please pm me - I will definitely be there!

Cheers,
J-H

I wish!

Whats's being launched

Dear J-H ,



I hope you’re well. Hawaiian Airlines CEO Mark Dunkerley invites you to join him and members of his executive team to celebrate the upcoming launch of nonstop services from New York City to Honolulu and learn about new developments over cocktails and Hawaiian entertainment. I’ve copied the details of the event below. Please reply directly to this email to RSVP.

WHAT: Hawaiian Airlines (NASDAQ: HA) is hosting a celebratory cocktail mixer, featuring live Hawaiian music and hula, to celebrate their upcoming launch into the East Coast market this spring.

Mark Dunkerley, President and CEO of Hawaiian Airlines, and several members of his executive team will be available to discuss this exciting new route launch and related news.

I bet they are serving free meals on this flight in Y unlike EWR-HNL.

I'm sure they will serve meals in Y. Next time I am going in Y to HNL I will absolutely take HA over CO/UA, however HA's F seat does not look worth it at all compared to CO

Yes, full meals in Y and also they will be selling paid upgrades - also confirmed no EUA plans in sight.

Not sure. If it's T5 as rumored, don't think there is a big airport lounge other than the landside Moroso Lounge with somewhat funky furniture: http://t508.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/best-view-in-the-house-645-am/

HA does have codeshare alliances with other carriers so it's possible they might allow F class passengers into their lounge in another terminal. Although due to security considerations an independent landside lounge like the Oasis or the the Lounge in T4 might be easier to access (and are definitely accessible using a Priority Pass card).

The space shown in that photo is airside, not landside, and it is not a "lounge" in the sense that access is limited to only some people. It is just part of the terminal at the end of the central pier with good views.

I believe that the wide-body is only able to use the gate at the end of the "high" number pier so that won't be a particularly convenient place to sit but it also isn't more than a 5 minute walk.

Just booked two in first for JFK-HNL during the holidays. Great deal, using miles. Looking forward to my first longhaul flight on HA ^

Looks like it will be T5 and no lounge at JFK, so probably not worth arriving too early. Would appreciate any suggestions about what to order to eat/drink on board -- will with a few other friends and we'll want to make the most of it!

Now just waiting for HA to start nonstop LON-HNL…

While I am psyched to have HA in the NY market, especially as I contemplate taking the family to LIH this summer, I'm less enthused about the timing of the flights, especially on the return to JFK.
The flight leaves HNL at 3 p.m., which gets you in around 7 a.m. That's all well and good if you can plop into your seat and hit the hay. I'm not one of those people. Nor can I contemplate encouraging my kids to go to to sleep. If they were still on Hawaii time, they might conk out five or six hours into the flight, but then have to be roused three hours later to get off. Knowing me, I might nod off on final approach.
All this is by way of saying the now-UA HNL-EWR has better timing, leaving at 7:25 p.m. With a little pharmaceutical help and your circadian rhythms, you're more likely to get in some Zs on that trip.
As much as I like HA, contemplating the fallout from the potential extended jet lag of that trip, especially from a 5- and 7-year-old, gives me pause. I hope they might contemplate some timing adjustrments going forward.

While I am psyched to have HA in the NY market, especially as I contemplate taking the family to LIH this summer, I'm less enthused about the timing of the flights, especially on the return to JFK.
The flight leaves HNL at 3 p.m., which gets you in around 7 a.m. That's all well and good if you can plop into your seat and hit the hay. I'm not one of those people. Nor can I contemplate encouraging my kids to go to to sleep. If they were still on Hawaii time, they might conk out five or six hours into the flight, but then have to be roused three hours later to get off. Knowing me, I might nod off on final approach.
All this is by way of saying the now-UA HNL-EWR has better timing, leaving at 7:25 p.m. With a little pharmaceutical help and your circadian rhythms, you're more likely to get in some Zs on that trip.
As much as I like HA, contemplating the fallout from the potential extended jet lag of that trip, especially from a 5- and 7-year-old, gives me pause. I hope they might contemplate some timing adjustrments going forward.

I'm sure the Hawaiian flight time is designed to allow early connections out of JFK and not around sleeping comfort.

I'm sure the Hawaiian flight time is designed to allow early connections out of JFK and not around sleeping comfort.

Also, an early arrival and departure from JFK means that delays are much less likely.
Aircraft utilization is probably significant as well, as an earlier departure and an earlier arrival into HNL probably works well if they are going to use the aircraft on Asia flights.

I'm sure the Hawaiian flight time is designed to allow early connections out of JFK and not around sleeping comfort.

That makes eminent sense. However, if the premise of the arrival time is to link up with B6 flights up and down the Eastern Seaboard, I think it's safe to say there's another bank of flights leaving to those destinations several hours later.
If UA could land a few hours later at EWR, where I suspect more than a few people also have to connect at the hub, HA could do something similar at JFK.
It may not be designed for sleeping comfort, but I suspect I wouldn't be the only miserable passenger, especially if I had to make a connection after a 9-hour plus flight.

The timing of the flight on the JFK-HNL leg is fantastic, though, and of course that depends on when the aircraft arrives at JFK…

I purchase First Class tickets on the JFK / HNL / JFK flight for this June.
At the time it was not possible to book the connecting Interisland flight -- IT problems at HA.
I finally got around to booking the Interisland --- the fares are outrageous.
I travel at 3 times a year --- and I have never seen fares this high ---
for 2 round-trip tickets HNL / LIH it is just under $600.00 (in coach).

Obviously HA doesn't miss Aloha Airlines. ( I do -- pricing reasons only).

Cheers!!!!!

While HNL/JFK may leave early, still nice to have another NS option.

I purchase First Class tickets on the JFK / HNL / JFK flight for this June.
At the time it was not possible to book the connecting Interisland flight -- IT problems at HA.
I finally got around to booking the Interisland --- the fares are outrageous.
I travel at 3 times a year --- and I have never seen fares this high ---
for 2 round-trip tickets HNL / LIH it is just under $600.00 (in coach).
Obviously HA doesn't miss Aloha Airlines. ( I do -- pricing reasons only).

Cheers!!!!!

Just curious, what June dates/times?

I purchase First Class tickets on the JFK / HNL / JFK flight for this June.
At the time it was not possible to book the connecting Interisland flight -- IT problems at HA.
I finally got around to booking the Interisland --- the fares are outrageous.
I travel at 3 times a year --- and I have never seen fares this high ---
for 2 round-trip tickets HNL / LIH it is just under $600.00 (in coach).

Obviously HA doesn't miss Aloha Airlines. ( I do -- pricing reasons only).

Cheers!!!!!

Do you need very specific dates/times? HA website has saver fares for $72.30 (limited flights) and fares under $100 for quite a few flights on the random days I checked in June that I just checked. HA fares are high, but $600 for 2 round-trips in coach is really high.

As I mentioned I found the fares for our June trip ( 6/8-12) higher than in the past.......
We have the 3:46 from HNL to LIH
and on the return the afternoon connection from LIH to HNL for the flight to JFK.

On the flight HNL to LIH I took the fare (an additional $10) in case we miss the the 3:46 and have to wait for the next flight -- without a penalty. We travel light and make quick connections ---to get to LIH as soon as possible.

Recently I have been taking AA from either JFK/EWR to LAX the evening before and then the morning flight from LAX directly to LIH. I think I really prefer this instead of the non stop to HNL and then the Interisland.

On the return LIH / LAX / JFK on AA 30 ---

After all the years of doing this trip -- I think after this trip I will go back to the overnight / early morning LAX connection especially having just paid a tad under $600 for 2 Interisland flights.

Best

Upgrade question: I both 2 coach tickets during the $221 one way sale in Nov... was wondering how to upgrade those to first class with miles? Can you use partner miles for an upgrade??

Upgrade question: I both 2 coach tickets during the $221 one way sale in Nov... was wondering how to upgrade those to first class with miles? Can you use partner miles for an upgrade??

I'd also appreciate any HA upgrade advice/info from regulars, especially for the JFK/HNL route, such as using EF to check inventory.

Upgrade question: I both 2 coach tickets during the $221 one way sale in Nov... was wondering how to upgrade those to first class with miles? Can you use partner miles for an upgrade??

I know you cannot use AA miles for upgrades on HA, only for reduced (restricted inventory availability) award seats in first or coach.

I don't know about other partner program miles.

Looks like the nonstop Hawaiian airline will be at T5. Sort of interesting considering it could have been placed at other terminals as well since they have a lot of agreements with other airlines. Plus JetBlue never came out with Hawaii flights on their own even though it is in the USA and would have be a destination they could have done themselves.

So who here will be on the launch flight? Seems like a great summer getaway flight for a lot of people and I can picture those flights flying full.

I could have pictured Hawaiian Airlines at T1, T4 or T7 instead of T5. Interestingly JetBlue will only have 1 non JetBlue Airline at its terminal.

Not complaining as to terminals, it just means connection flights from Hawaiian Airlines to JetBlue will be easiest and those using them from other airlines will have to change terminals.

Posted on Hawaiian's entry awhile back and didn't realize there was a lot of posts on this. Looks like JFK to HNL is a success even before the flight is ready.

Question: Did any airlines have non stop flights to HNL before or is Hawaiian Airlines the first?

Looks like the nonstop Hawaiian airline will be at T5. Sort of interesting considering it could have been placed at other terminals as well since they have a lot of agreements with other airlines. Plus JetBlue never came out with Hawaii flights on their own even though it is in the USA and would have be a destination they could have done themselves.

So who here will be on the launch flight? Seems like a great summer getaway flight for a lot of people and I can picture those flights flying full.

I could have pictured Hawaiian Airlines at T1, T4 or T7 instead of T5. Interestingly JetBlue will only have 1 non JetBlue Airline at its terminal.

Not complaining as to terminals, it just means connection flights from Hawaiian Airlines to JetBlue will be easiest and those using them from other airlines will have to change terminals.

Posted on Hawaiian's entry awhile back and didn't realize there was a lot of posts on this. Looks like JFK to HNL is a success even before the flight is ready.

Question: Did any airlines have non stop flights to HNL before or is Hawaiian Airlines the first?

Non stop pricing seems to be only slightly more than connection pricing and obviously they had limited seating for the promo rate to spur up publicity on this route.

Regular prices are in line with competitors and only slightly more, but Hawaii flights are still pricey as always.

Congrats to those on promo pricing but I doubt we will see that again.

Question: Did any airlines have non stop flights to HNL before or is Hawaiian Airlines the first?

I know PA (Pan American) had nonstops from JFK, I think up to the 1980s. AA may have too at some point. UA has them now from EWR.

Any thoughts on what the best seats in FC are? I don't think I've ever been on a A330.
It says meal service is 'lunch' and snacks for this flight. Doesn't that seem a little cheap? It's about an 11.5 hour flight.

That's what UA does on their non-stop. However, the snack is a bit more food than a regular snack.

I always bring 2 meals worth of food with me, whether I'm sitting in Y or F. It is a long flight, and I've seen people, in Y, get so hungry they look like they can eat the seats. :D

flying this route, is there a lounge for F pax?

That's what UA does on their non-stop. However, the snack is a bit more food than a regular snack.

I always bring 2 meals worth of food with me, whether I'm sitting in Y or F. It is a long flight, and I've seen people, in Y, get so hungry they look like they can eat the seats. :D

Do they heat the sauce for you? ;)

:D :D :D

I was really impressed with their F fare for JFK-MNL at being only $3400 which is at least $1500-$2500 less than most other airlines.

flying this route, is there a lounge for F pax?No, at least not at the JFK end.

I was really impressed with their F fare for JFK-MNL at being only $3400 which is at least $1500-$2500 less than most other airlines.
The fare is much lower because the product is much less impressive. It is similar to Copa charging much less for folks connecting to South America because it involves flights on 737s with notably less awesome premium cabin configurations.

Back on-topic, I just did OLCI for the inaugural tomorrow. I'll be in 14J. Super excited. :D :cool:

I just did OLCI for the inaugural tomorrow. I'll be in 14J. Super excited. :D :cool:

TR please!

Back on-topic, I just did OLCI for the inaugural tomorrow. I'll be in 14J. Super excited. :D :cool:

God Speed. Let us know how it goes. The seat map shows its nearly half full with todays inaugural economy seat @ $250 one way.

I fly out on that same routing tomorrow. I would have done today but i don't much care for a flight full of cameras. Tuesdays flight looks rather full.

Back on-topic, I just did OLCI for the inaugural tomorrow. I'll be in 14J. Super excited. :D :cool:

Aloha and have a good flight! :)

Keep us up to date I am looking forward to a trip report as I am flying this to HNL in January.

Having flown HA Business class recently on several flights, IMO the only drawback is the seat. The onboard service meets or exceeds the current offering from the competition.

flying this route, is there a lounge for F pax?

No, there is no F class lounge. The entire T5 at JFK does not have a lounge.

Keep us up to date I am looking forward to a trip report as I am flying this to HNL in January.

Yes, please do. I would love to read the trip reports details and you will enjoy the flight.

My flight is tomorrow =) Anyone else?

My flight is tomorrow =) Anyone else?

Good for you. Hope you had a great flight. See you when you come back.

Trip report is now online, summarized in a thread here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hawaii-based-airlines/1353930-board-inaugural-ha51-jfk-hnl.html

or available in all the gory detail here (pre-flight):
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/thewanderingaramean/2012/06/aloha-nyc-hawaiian-airlines-launches-jfk-hawaii/

and here (in-flight):
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/thewanderingaramean/2012/06/aloha-nyc-on-board-the-inaugural-flight-jfk-hnl/.


There are also a few videos (hula dancers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-v911Xvj-c), prayer for the route/partnership (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SBaF_lhFuM), water canon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5clHQC_1GEA) & take-off roll (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulx8LaZcjU8)) available on YouTube.

Thank you! Looking forward to my flight in a few months.

I'd like to use some AA award miles to book this route but I'm in Baltimore. Could I fly out from either BWI or IAD to JFK and then fly this route to HNL? If so, do you have to call AA to make this reservation? I don't see how you can do it from AA.com.

I'd like to use some AA award miles to book this route but I'm in Baltimore. Could I fly out from either BWI or IAD to JFK and then fly this route to HNL? If so, do you have to call AA to make this reservation? I don't see how you can do it from AA.com.

HA is a partner with B6 (Jet Blue). Check to see if there is a B6 flight from BWI to JFK. You can fly with them and connect to the HA flight in the same JFK terminal (T5). Another alternative is to take Amtrak from BWI or BAL (Baltimore Penn Station) to NYP (New York Penn Station). Then from there take the Long Island Railroad to Jamaica Station and then Air Train to JFK T5.

It's difficult and expensive to get a BWI-JFK flight with a lot of the legacy carriers unless the airline has a online deal or limited offer.

I'm in Baltimore too, and I booked a HA award JFK-HNL for next February. I booked Delta up to JFK (~6 AM flight) for $90 all-in, and then I'm taking the Amtrak home ($49) because I couldn't find a direct flight home at a reasonable time for a reasonable price.

My Baltimorean neighbors: I just checked the B6 website and they do not offer "feeder" service from BWI to JFK. I thought they once offered flights between the two cities. I guess not now. You're better off getting whatever flight you can between the cities or take Amtrak as they have frequent train service.

Has anyone seen a business class review of the service posted anywhere?

Would also love a TR from first, wondering especially about row one legroom......

Just returned from a First Class RT JKF / HNL on HAL. (50/51)
The onboard crew(s) are very excited about this flight ---
I found the meal service on the JFK / HNL flight to be very enjoyable.
We had seats 1 A & B both segments.
We both found the seats to be uncomfortable for 1st class ----

On the return flight HNL / JFK they boarded the flight at Gate 25 --- and did not have air hooked up to the aircraft -- needless to say the cabin was hot...
after boarding the flight --- the captain turned on the aux engine for air...
then we took a 45 minute delay as they waited for sign off papers..
Again the meal service was good -- but the seat is not the best for an overnight rest AND since we were seated up front near the galley --- the crew did alot of talking and moving of carts --- and never dimmed the galley lighting ---
then 2 hours prior to landing they begin the breakfast service....actually I think it would be best to limit the offering to juice/muffin/coffee and forget the fruit plate - the scrambled egg and the potato / pepper plate.
There is only 5 hours between services....

Since I have tried their service I still find American to offer a more comfortable seat in 1st class to Hawaii. I haven't flown CO/of UA fame in several years but they also had a very comfortable seat.

Is that your own review? I'm confused because you just asked for one.

If you are copying/quoting somebody else, please cite the source and say that.

-David

Is that your own review? I'm confused because you just asked for one.

If you are copying/quoting somebody else, please cite the source and say that.

-David

Might that have been Pucnit instead of pungo?

Just returned from a First Class RT JKF / HNL on HAL. (50/51)
The onboard crew(s) are very excited about this flight ---
I found the meal service on the JFK / HNL flight to be very enjoyable.
We had seats 1 A & B both segments.
We both found the seats to be uncomfortable for 1st class ----

On the return flight HNL / JFK they boarded the flight at Gate 25 --- and did not have air hooked up to the aircraft -- needless to say the cabin was hot...
after boarding the flight --- the captain turned on the aux engine for air...
then we took a 45 minute delay as they waited for sign off papers..
Again the meal service was good -- but the seat is not the best for an overnight rest AND since we were seated up front near the galley --- the crew did alot of talking and moving of carts --- and never dimmed the galley lighting ---
then 2 hours prior to landing they begin the breakfast service....actually I think it would be best to limit the offering to juice/muffin/coffee and forget the fruit plate - the scrambled egg and the potato / pepper plate.
There is only 5 hours between services....

Since I have tried their service I still find American to offer a more comfortable seat in 1st class to Hawaii. I haven't flown CO/of UA fame in several years but they also had a very comfortable seat.

So how was the legroom in that bulkhead seat? I'm booked in 1B also, thanks!

Might that have been Pucnit instead of pungo?

ah, I see. My mistake. :)

Thanks,
-David

Row 1 (A & B) as all Row 1 seats seem to have the best leg room.
The other rows are very tight especially if the person in front of you reclines their seat.

I was disappointed in the comfort of the seat itself and the leg rest. It appears HA decided to install a "cheap" product ----

Row 1 (A & B) as all Row 1 seats seem to have the best leg room.
The other rows are very tight especially if the person in front of you reclines their seat.

I was disappointed in the comfort of the seat itself and the leg rest. It appears HA decided to install a "cheap" product ----

Right, thanks -- heard the seats are a bit hard, but will deal with it for the non-stop.....

Just returned from 50/51 RT to NYC.

Overall feeling of this service is mediocre. It's certainly nice to have direct service available and the timing of the flights is very good. New-ish plane is nice and the HA feel is an experience that others can't copy. Flight 50 has two meal services with the second being the ghetto turkey sandwich. Flight 51 also has two meal services starting with an egg burrito and finishing with a slightly better turkey sandwich in the standard box presentation. Drinks service is plentiful and water was constantly being offered during the flight. Crew rest seats seemed to be the last two rows of the plane with the crew taking 2 hour breaks. I think i saw the pilots taking crew rest in row 3B but i didn't follow up on that.

The crew is friendly and helpful and this could be a combination family members on board(there were many aunties and uncles) or a new route that affords them a full day of play while HA puts them up in Manhattan.

The A330 is a very bumpy aircraft and turbulence was very prevalent throughout both legs. We were seated in the forward cabin 11-13 which was certainly quiet but without air vents this cabin is notoriously warm. We experienced a warm cabin bordering on hot on both legs which didn't help to sleep or to offset the effects of turbulence. It would be much wiser for them to keep the cabin cold on long flights like this.

IFE is now a pay for service which is unfortunate for those of us used to being provided free movies on HA flights. The IFE is touch screen, i was "lucky" enough to have passengers behind me that felt the need to ram their fingers into the screen all flight.:mad: It was most likely operator error that caused them to keep doing this as i had no issues managing through the IFE free sections. A light touch and patience for 2 seconds while it registers your selection was all that it needed.

Legroom is nonexistent as I have a 31" inseam and my knees were touching most of the flight. It was worse if both passengers reclined. This makes for a long 10 hour flight. I did walk the aircraft and towards the back around row 40 seemed to have more leg room as the aircraft curved to the tail.

While i appreciated the new service romanticism i think i will opt for E+ on UA and travel HNL-EWR if i need to go to NYC in the future on a paid flight. If i need to use my stash of miles i will consider this flight again but i really think that i would need to be in F cabin to make the flight a little more tolerable.

Hope this helps give an idea of the E cabin.

Mahalo thehoax for the E cabin report. I'll be on the flight on Thursday.

Read that two drinks is the benefit for Hawaiian Gold. Do you have to show a card? I'm hoping a glass of red wine will help me sleep. Hmm, if it's turbulent though that may not be a good idea. Is the seatbelt light on for most of the flight?

Read that two drinks is the benefit for Hawaiian Gold. Is the seatbelt light on for most of the flight?

Aloha Stravels,

Sadly the seatbelt was on quite a bit on this trip...both directions. I would say over half of the leg. They aren't too worried about enforcing it if you need to get up and move around.

The two drink rule is still in effect for Gold and Platinum. I don't normally drink on the flights but i did this time. Mostly for the same reasons you indicated. I didn't bring the card because...well...i never really do. Have them take the number off your boarding pass. Sometimes they don't like doing that but i don't offer to pay...so they end up typing the number in. I think they have grown used to swiping the cards and not having one makes them freeze up a bit.

FYI- the IFE does have a USB port. I didn't attempt to charge anything but you can use it for audio. I only tested it out for a moment as i didn't want to be tethered to the IFE.

Have fun out there! The weather should be up into the 90's this week so be prepared for T storms. The timing of the HA flights is great for avoiding weather delays on takeoff although they do have to jockey around the country quite a bit to avoid them. We went across Tenn, OKC, PHX, LAX and came across the pond on the way home.

We went across Tenn, OKC, PHX, LAX and came across the pond on the way home.

Wow - what a routing - that had to add at least 1.5 hours to the flight. I do agree with you - unless flying F, United with E+ is a better option unless you have a smaller build.

Sorry to dig this old thread up, but can anyone tell me if the 40,000 HawaiianMiles First Class Saver o/w award for the Continental US-Hawaii applies to the JFK-HNL flight? Seems like relatively few miles for such a long flight...

Sorry to dig this old thread up, but can anyone tell me if the 40,000 HawaiianMiles First Class Saver o/w award for the Continental US-Hawaii applies to the JFK-HNL flight? Seems like relatively few miles for such a long flight...

Yep. It sure does!

Relative to the rest of HA's frequent-flyer redemption rates, I'd say this is an excellent use of miles for the amount (40,000) and distance travelled (~5,000 miles).

Sorry to dig this old thread up, but can anyone tell me if the 40,000 HawaiianMiles First Class Saver o/w award for the Continental US-Hawaii applies to the JFK-HNL flight? Seems like relatively few miles for such a long flight...

Yes, and if that inventory is available you can also get it for 37,500 Advantage miles through AA.

Does anyone know the deal with the cost and movie selection for using the in seat entertainment system? I am travelling with small children in December and I called the airline and i can't get any info about whether you pay per movie, what movies they show, how much it is, etc. Any tips appreciated!

Just returned from 50/51 RT to NYC.

Overall feeling of this service is mediocre. It's certainly nice to have direct service available and the timing of the flights is very good. New-ish plane is nice and the HA feel is an experience that others can't copy. Flight 50 has two meal services with the second being the ghetto turkey sandwich. Flight 51 also has two meal services starting with an egg burrito and finishing with a slightly better turkey sandwich in the standard box presentation. Drinks service is plentiful and water was constantly being offered during the flight. Crew rest seats seemed to be the last two rows of the plane with the crew taking 2 hour breaks. I think i saw the pilots taking crew rest in row 3B but i didn't follow up on that.

The crew is friendly and helpful and this could be a combination family members on board(there were many aunties and uncles) or a new route that affords them a full day of play while HA puts them up in Manhattan.

The A330 is a very bumpy aircraft and turbulence was very prevalent throughout both legs. We were seated in the forward cabin 11-13 which was certainly quiet but without air vents this cabin is notoriously warm. We experienced a warm cabin bordering on hot on both legs which didn't help to sleep or to offset the effects of turbulence. It would be much wiser for them to keep the cabin cold on long flights like this.

IFE is now a pay for service which is unfortunate for those of us used to being provided free movies on HA flights. The IFE is touch screen, i was "lucky" enough to have passengers behind me that felt the need to ram their fingers into the screen all flight.:mad: It was most likely operator error that caused them to keep doing this as i had no issues managing through the IFE free sections. A light touch and patience for 2 seconds while it registers your selection was all that it needed.

Legroom is nonexistent as I have a 31" inseam and my knees were touching most of the flight. It was worse if both passengers reclined. This makes for a long 10 hour flight. I did walk the aircraft and towards the back around row 40 seemed to have more leg room as the aircraft curved to the tail.

While i appreciated the new service romanticism i think i will opt for E+ on UA and travel HNL-EWR if i need to go to NYC in the future on a paid flight. If i need to use my stash of miles i will consider this flight again but i really think that i would need to be in F cabin to make the flight a little more tolerable.

Hope this helps give an idea of the E cabin.

Sounds like we had a bit of a better experience than you when we did JFK-HNL in August. The flight was full, but we never felt cramped. Even though we had brought food on with us, the novelty of actually being served meals was not lost on us and our kids. The food was passable and filling. The IFE charges were a bit annoying; I wished they were a tad more ample. But considering it was a 10-hour flight, nobody got that antsy. Having a lot of aloha with the cabin crew get us primed for two weeks on the islands also helped.
We didn't fly HA back, as the arrival time in JFK would have thrown our body clocks horribly out of whack still on Hawaiian time. I realize they're trying to connect with JetBlue flights, but still don't see why they couldn't link up with another bank of flights later in the morning, like UA does in EWR. Instead we were able to use 20K one-way awards to go LIH-SFO-JFK, with the final flight being a red eye, enabling the kids to sleep most of the way. BTW, if you try something like that, HA is pretty much the only airline selling one-way tickets for a little more than half the RT price. All of the others wanted to basically charge the same or more as a RT. Similarly, UA enabled us to book one-way awards for just 20K; everyone else wanted full freight, as if it was a RT.
I'd happily fly HA long-haul again. And if you do so, also worth it to spring the $79 for the Visa card, so you can tack on the miles to the trip to the 35K sign-up bonus. We'll see if Bank of America waives the fee when I call to cancel. Along those lines, I should note that reps for the airline are not only pushing that card in the HNL inter-island terminal, but also push the Bank of Hawaii version. And though they're probably not supposed to do this, they'll encourage you to sign up for one card even if you have the other, in order to get the sign-up bonus. You'll just have to determine how often you'll be going to the islands to make it worth your while. We took a pass.

Does anyone know the deal with the cost and movie selection for using the in seat entertainment system? I am travelling with small children in December and I called the airline and i can't get any info about whether you pay per movie, what movies they show, how much it is, etc. Any tips appreciated!

Looks like you have a few options on the A330:

http://help.hawaiianair.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1841

Scroll down to the A330 Coach - North America section. FC is all free.

Looks like you have a few options on the A330:

http://help.hawaiianair.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1841

Scroll down to the A330 Coach - North America section. FC is all free.

Is there an actual list of movies available? I'm thinking of taking some of my own but that will be useless if they have what I want available. Fees don't matter, I'm going FC.

Is there an actual list of movies available? I'm thinking of taking some of my own but that will be useless if they have what I want available. Fees don't matter, I'm going FC.

The website is far from intuitive, but here's the list:

http://www.hawaiianairlines.com/Services/movies

Is there an actual list of movies available? I'm thinking of taking some of my own but that will be useless if they have what I want available. Fees don't matter, I'm going FC.

I remember counting about 12 - 15 or so different movies on the FC in-seat system on my JFK HNL route. Some new, some old.

Do you pay by movie in coach or is it one price?

The website is far from intuitive, but here's the list:

http://www.hawaiianairlines.com/Services/movies

Thanks for the link. Choices seem a little skimpy so I guess I'll bring a couple of my own. It's a LONG flight.

Do you pay by movie in coach or is it one price?

For new-release movies, it's pay per movie ($7.99).

There are a few movies included in the $6.99 Games/TV IFE package, but they're all older (2005 and prior) flicks.

Is there a way to check and/or adjust seat selections on HA website? When I view my itinerary is simply says that seats will become available 24hrs prior to departure, but would be great if i can just check on the available seats every now and then in case something better opens up. Most other airlines let you always login and adjust seat selections, I dont see how to do so on HA.

Is there a way to check and/or adjust seat selections on HA website? When I view my itinerary is simply says that seats will become available 24hrs prior to departure, but would be great if i can just check on the available seats every now and then in case something better opens up. Most other airlines let you always login and adjust seat selections, I dont see how to do so on HA.

They tell you the same thing if you call. It's annoying.

Is there a way to check and/or adjust seat selections on HA website? When I view my itinerary is simply says that seats will become available 24hrs prior to departure, but would be great if i can just check on the available seats every now and then in case something better opens up. Most other airlines let you always login and adjust seat selections, I dont see how to do so on HA.

Try checking periodically as seats usually open up. Or, an easier way is to set seat alerts on Expert Flyer. Not sure if it works the same way as the interisland flights, but if it does, seats will open if there are cancellations. Also, they block seats for tour groups that seem to open up a few days prior; Hawaiian blocks a considerable number of seats that even their elite flyers cannot access. At the 24-hr mark seats usually open up. I'm sure the HA experts can provide more definitive information.

I was able to call HA a few months before travel and select seats in F.

Also, I just flew the route from JFK to HNL in F. It was my first time in longhaul F on HA. Found the seats to have not enough recline and not enough legroom. Was great for working, eating and watching movies but I would have to take another carrier if I needed to sleep. Oh, and I really enjoyed the food and the high quality of service from the FAs.

I was able to call HA a few months before travel and select seats in F.

Also, I just flew the route from JFK to HNL in F. It was my first time in longhaul F on HA. Found the seats to have not enough recline and not enough legroom. Was great for working, eating and watching movies but I would have to take another carrier if I needed to sleep. Oh, and I really enjoyed the food and the high quality of service from the FAs.

My experience exactly after two r/t's. but it is still better than AA through DFW with an additional 3 hours each way and the additional airport, take off and landing, poorer food and in-flight entertainment. More recline, more leg lift and just an inch or two of pitch would do HA well in F.

My experience exactly after two r/t's. but it is still better than AA through DFW with an additional 3 hours each way and the additional airport, take off and landing, poorer food and in-flight entertainment. More recline, more leg lift and just an inch or two of pitch would do HA well in F.

Ditto, outstanding service, pretty good meals in F, but the "foot rest" in 1C/G was useless, bringing mini roller next time for bulkhead foot rest.

Still think the NS flight well worth dealing with seats....

Ditto, outstanding service, pretty good meals in F, but the "foot rest" in 1C/G was useless, bringing mini roller next time for bulkhead foot rest.

Still think the NS flight well worth dealing with seats....

I am taking this flight in early March. Wife and I are booked in 1H, 1J. Are these the best FC seats on the flight? There are many seats still not assigned so I could change if I should. What do you think?

I am taking this flight in early March. Wife and I are booked in 1H, 1J. Are these the best FC seats on the flight? There are many seats still not assigned so I could change if I should. What do you think?

Others may disagree, but I prefer bulkhead seats, no one reclining into you, just board early to get bin space

On HA 50/51 A332 the bulkhead legroom is fine. 1 H/J has more galley exposure than 1 A/B and while there is a curtain, sometimes it's left open which can be bothersome at night because of galley lighting.

Recommend 1 A/B for a couple, for solo flyers who don't prefer a window, 1 C/G as you can get up without disturbing seat mate.

PS -- there are AC outlets in FC seats and having your own entertainment options is most refreshing.......

Others may disagree, but I prefer bulkhead seats, no one reclining into you, just board early to get bin space

On HA 50/51 A332 the bulkhead legroom is fine. 1 H/J has more galley exposure than 1 A/B and while there is a curtain, sometimes it's left open which can be bothersome at night because of galley lighting.

Recommend 1 A/B for a couple, for solo flyers who don't prefer a window, 1 C/G as you can get up without disturbing seat mate.

for the informative reply. I looked and all the other row 1 are gone. I'll just have to tough it out. Really looking forward to getting to Hawaii from Connecticut!

http://www.jaunted.com/story/2013/2/26/112340/567/travel/JetBlue's+Terminal+5+at+JFK+is+Getting+a+Lounge!+W ith+Showers!+And+Free+Booze!

Announced today...JFK T5 will have a lounge from Airspace near gate 24. Lounge access is via a fee for all jetBlue passengers as well as Hawaiian passengers and Aer Lingus passengers when Aer Lingus starts using T5. The lounge opens in May.

http://www.jaunted.com/story/2013/2/26/112340/567/travel/JetBlue's+Terminal+5+at+JFK+is+Getting+a+Lounge!+W ith+Showers!+And+Free+Booze!

Announced today...JFK T5 will have a lounge from Airspace near gate 24. Lounge access is via a fee for all jetBlue passengers as well as Hawaiian passengers and Aer Lingus passengers when Aer Lingus starts using T5. The lounge opens in May.

If this stays in line with the one recently opened at BWI, those with American Express Platinum cards will be able to utilize the lounge for free.

If this stays in line with the one recently opened at BWI, those with American Express Platinum cards will be able to utilize the lounge for free.

That would be nice, however one free adult beverage does not "Free Booze" make, still, a welcome option.....

I'm looking for one way first class for next year and the fare is double the amount for each way on a round trip itinerary. How do I get around this?

I'm looking for one way first class for next year and the fare is double the amount for each way on a round trip itinerary. How do I get around this?

What is the date?

Feb. 15,2014. I can't book until next week but have been checking to get ballpark figures.

I didn’t realize they penalize one-way fares, ouch. See 40k FC OW award available on 2/8, If 2/15 is the same and you have HA miles or Amex MR points think it would be worth saving $2423.

Does anyone know what is the flying time once we lift off?

"Does anyone know what is the flying time once we lift off?"

9 hours + or - both ways. Just flew it in early March. Nice flight.

"Does anyone know what is the flying time once we lift off?"

9 hours + or - both ways. Just flew it in early March. Nice flight.

Thanks.. Flying HA out FC on points and United FC back into EWR. Too bad no interest access.

Does anyone know what is the flying time once we lift off?

Might look at FlightAware for recent flight times...

Might look at FlightAware for recent flight times...

thanks for that link. That was interesting. Some days as long at 11 hours 18 minutes and other days an hour quicker

planetracker - your 9 hours give or take must be going HNL to JFK. I saw some date as quick at as little over 8 hours..

Thanks for the help..

Hello everyone. I've been using the forum to learn a great deal about some of the airlines, hotels and rewards programs that are out there. I'm a very heavy business traveler and relatively minor pleasure traveler.

That being said, I've been planning a honeymoon trip to Hawaii for some time now and I'm going in the summer of 2014. (Yes, a long way off but I've always felt that when you book airfare and hotels entirely on points and miles one should start planning ahead) Once the JFK-HNL route was announced I made the decision to plan for that flight. There's been a TON of information that I've gained from this thread and other but I've had some questions, some very specific, that I've been unable to find answers for. As such, I've spent a good deal of time speaking to the airlines and I wanted to share what I've learned for others as I've learned so much here. Granted, many of you veterans may know a lot of this information, but I figured if I couldn't find the answers online....some other people may not be able to either.

So, my future wife an I plan on flying first class from JFK to HNL. We don't live in NYC but we are served by one of JetBlue's minor markets so we can get great flights, direct from our home to NYC. When I saw the HA/JB partnership I thought...AWESOME. Well, as some of you may know....as much as being in the same terminal and being able to book together is cool, there are some issues.

HA will, undoubtedly, release their schedule much sooner than JB. I figured, cool....I can book my JFK/HNL leg first through HA, then later on book my leg to JFK with JB and have the itineraries linked so I don't have to exit security and re-check in at JFK. Can't be done. If you do not book the ENTIRE flight through HA, at the same time, they cannot make the JB leg a "Connecting" flight and one must pick up one's luggage. As it was explained to me, this means a few things:

1) You cannot book the two flights at different times without having to pick up your luggage.

2) You cannot book both legs with miles without having to pickup your luggage.

I was kind of disappointed especially after I went through every possible combination of booking times, ticketing airline and mile types used but, I suppose it's somewhat understandable since JetBlue are not "Partners" in the sense that some other airlines groups are.

In any case, I know my friend was adamant that it could be done and he was shocked when I explained this to him so....I figured there may be others out there wondering the same thing.

That leads me to my question, however, that someone with better previous knowledge may be able to answer. As I said, I plan on flying this route first class....with miles. I've been looking at the available seats every couple of days just to keep apprised of what happens. Typically, I always find the 80K mile, first class seats available. Just recently, I noticed a very sharp drop in availability with the seats still available for cash (as I know airlines do). So, my question is whether or not any one has any concrete info on how HA reserves, releases or limits the 1st class award availability for this flight. Unfortunately for me, we're kind of set on leaving on a Monday flight and returning on Thursday the following week. I plan on watching for dates to open up like a hawk but, if there are screwy rules with availability even an 11 month plan ahead won't help.

Any info would be appreciated and thank you in advance.

Have you tried booking only one seat to see what the availability is? I've seen the in the past (no scientific data) that there usually is only one award seat at the lowest tier. You may book one at the low and one at the high...good luck

I figured, cool....I can book my JFK/HNL leg first through HA, then later on book my leg to JFK with JB and have the itineraries linked so I don't have to exit security and re-check in at JFK. Can't be done.
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In any case, I know my friend was adamant that it could be done and he was shocked when I explained this to him so....I figured there may be others out there wondering the same thing.


Hawaiian stopped interlining bags on separate tickets about a year ago.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hawaii-based-airlines/1335327-ha-connecting-flight-bag-charges-major-change-inter-line-policy-effective-6-1-a.html

Plenty of carriers still do it.