Frontier Airlines EarlyReturns - MKE summer competitive schedule FL / WN

Doesn't look like much especially new or interesting for summer 2012 versus 2011 from FL / WN. A few points of note:

(a) 1x added to BOS and MCO (BOS at 4x is a new high, MCO at a combined 5x matches 2010 IIRC)

(b) FL not bringing back BWI...is only 3x WN

(c) FL is flying 2x MKE-PHX including a red-eye, which was announced for last summer but never started. WN is 1x MKE-PHX compared to 2x last summer.

(d) Other year-over-year changes are things we already know about...WN 2x to DEN, CRJ's to OMA/DSM/STL/IND/PIT/CAK replaced by 2x mainline each to DSM, STL and CAK.

(e) Loosening of the traditional east-west banks. Instead of a whole set of westbound departures at about 8:45am (for example) to catch feed from the east there is LAX and LAS at that time, but SFO is at 10:50am, PHX is at 7:05am, and the two SEA flights are both later PM (5:25pm and 7:45pm).

It does not appear any code-sharing or significant interaction between FL and WN is on the near horizon yet, and MKE is largely status quo. Removing BWI on the east but adding PHX on the west makes the east-west connecting complex more balanced.

The only reaction to Frontier cuts appears to be the single added MKE-BOS frequency. No change to markets like LGA, SEA, DCA, MSP, and certainly no new markets like PIT, BNA or PHL.

I also see WN added DEN - CAK in direct competition with F9. I guess this shows that CAK interests WN right now and they see potential.

Same with DEN-DAY. One 717 to Denver competing against two F9 319s.

While not related to WN/FL, Delta announced today that they will reinstate MKE-JFK service beginning June 2012. Flights will be timed to offer international connections at Delta's JFK hub.

It will be interesting to see if Delta adds MKE-LGA next Spring once the slot swap is finalized.

While not related to WN/FL, Delta announced today that they will reinstate MKE-JFK service beginning June 2012. Flights will be timed to offer international connections at Delta's JFK hub.

It will be interesting to see if Delta adds MKE-LGA next Spring once the slot swap is finalized.

This is great news and provides better international connectivity eastward. MKE may not be as important as it was to NW, but it still appears to be on DL's radar screen.

While not related to WN/FL, Delta announced today that they will reinstate MKE-JFK service beginning June 2012. Flights will be timed to offer international connections at Delta's JFK hub.

It will be interesting to see if Delta adds MKE-LGA next Spring once the slot swap is finalized.

NW use to go nuclear whenever there was direct competition at MKE. DL seems to be waiting it out, then adding capacity. DL and WN see a whole lot of weakness in F9 right now. Summer 2012 will be interesting.

While not related to WN/FL, Delta announced today that they will reinstate MKE-JFK service beginning June 2012. Flights will be timed to offer international connections at Delta's JFK hub.
This service didn't stick around too long the first time DL started it up, but hopefully it'll do better this time around with the larger CR9.

Glad to see MKE-JFK coming back. It always kind of dumbfounded me that DL couldn't make that work, considering the heavy DL/NW base and the broad international schedule at JFK.

I understand why MKE-SLC is trouble, with yields west out of MKE so crappy. But international yields out of MKE are not.

While not related to WN/FL, Delta announced today that they will reinstate MKE-JFK service beginning June 2012. Flights will be timed to offer international connections at Delta's JFK hub.

It will be interesting to see if Delta adds MKE-LGA next Spring once the slot swap is finalized.

That's great news. All my friends automatically assume that they should drive to Chicago for international flights. Direct service to JFK will offer them more choices as Delta's JFK hub has more non stop destinations then ORD

It is also nice to see that FL is not ending their west coast flights. I am headed back to MKE for the first time in a year and I was happy to find a non stop flight for a reasonable price. If we can only get WN to start OAK-MKE. Flying out of SFO is such a hassle

Glad to see MKE-JFK coming back. It always kind of dumbfounded me that DL couldn't make that work, considering the heavy DL/NW base and the broad international schedule at JFK.

I understand why MKE-SLC is trouble, with yields west out of MKE so crappy. But international yields out of MKE are not.

Also flying that long on an RJ is not pleasant . I have flown that route before on my way to SEA and I did not like it. Delta should at MKE-LAX. Their hub at LAX is growing along with international connections to places like Sydney. No offense but LA is much more of a business and leisure destination then Salt lake City:D I would also like to see WN add seasonal MKE-SAN. Does anyone think that a case can be made for seasonal MKE-PDX?

Also flying that long on an RJ is not pleasant . I have flown that route before on my way to SEA and I did not like it. Delta should at MKE-LAX. Their hub at LAX is growing along with international connections to places like Sydney. No offense but LA is much more of a business and leisure destination then Salt lake City:D I would also like to see WN add seasonal MKE-SAN. Does anyone think that a case can be made for seasonal MKE-PDX?

Nice to hear from you again, Tim. It's been a while.

As for DL's reinstated MKE-JFK, this time around it's being flown with a larger CRJ-900, which is larger and has a first class cabin (offering one of the best first/coach ratios for upgrades). This is an improvement over the last time, when it was only a small, cramped CRJ-200.

I'd like to see DL return to MKE-LAX, but I don't see that happening as long as FL/WN is on the route.

I'd like to see DL return to MKE-LAX, but I don't see that happening as long as FL/WN is on the route.

Once SWA absorbs AirTran it looks like one stop service. Unfortunately.

Once SWA absorbs AirTran it looks like one stop service. Unfortunately.

Just a guess on your part, right? Unless there's some hard evidence out there.

You never know...they just might keep it.

I hope somebody keeps it.

I hope somebody keeps it.

I agree.

The SWA schedule shows one stop service. AirTran showing its non stop through July. The suuppsed integration is to have occured by then.

It's no secret SWA does'nt do a large amount of long haul flying. The West Coast AirTran flight is always full. However, when your selling seats at $199.00 RT, How much profit is there?

If I were a betting man, whiich I am not, I think one stop, same aiircraft, service will be the norm. Southwest is doing a great job of keeping everyone in the dark.

The SWA schedule shows one stop service. AirTran showing its non stop through July. The suuppsed integration is to have occured by then.


The integration you're talking about is the single operating certificate being received. All that really means is that they slap a sticker on the side that says operated by Southwest. AirTran, as a brand, will continue to exist until 2014. Every FL flight you book (assuming it's not a WN codeshare which will happen eventually) will continue to have business class, wifi, assigned seating, etc. FL is not going away all at once. It will just be shrinking slowly as they transfer planes from FL to WN.

All of that doesn't mean WN/FL will forever fly MKE-LAX but since it is in the schedules for FL you can be certain it will be flown next summer on a 737 in FL paint with business class and all.

Nice to hear from you again, Tim. It's been a while.

As for DL's reinstated MKE-JFK, this time around it's being flown with a larger CRJ-900, which is larger and has a first class cabin (offering one of the best first/coach ratios for upgrades). This is an improvement over the last time, when it was only a small, cramped CRJ-200.

I'd like to see DL return to MKE-LAX, but I don't see that happening as long as FL/WN is on the route.
Nice to hear from you as well and everyone else :)
If Milwaukee truly wants to turn itself around they will need a viable airport. If Southwest and Frontier totally gut MKE that will not help Milwaukee's future. Lets wait and see with Southwest and Airtran. MKE is in their control now, Frontier has pretty much conceded the MKE market. While east coast markets important Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles are also very important business markets. The Bay area itself is home to the second largest fortune amount of 500 companies outside of NYC.

It will be interesting to see if Delta adds MKE-LGA next Spring once the slot swap is finalized.

Delta announced a major expansion of LGA service today. Two of the new routes include MKE and DEN.

Given the growing possibility that both Frontier and Southwest could exit MKE-LGA, it's probably smart for Delta to jump on this route now.