SkyTeam - Skyteam Y Mileage Upgrade Denied...by DL
fiveninerzero
Nov 10, 11, 12:03 am
I am booked in Y on an upcoming flight from ICN to ATL. The flight is a DL codeshare operated by KE, a Skyteam member. I was so excited to learn that the option existed, however, it is evidently only valid for a flight that is both marketed and operated by that carrier. DL upgrade policy does not apply as well.
I look at it this way: If the flight was booked with a KE flight number, then I could get an upgrade through the Skyteam upgrade program. If the flight was on DL metal with a DL flight number, then I could use the SkyMiles upgrade program. I guess this is what grey area is called.
http://www.skyteam.com/en/Why-SkyTeam/Frequent-Flyer-Program/Earn-and-Redeem-Miles/
mtkeller
Nov 10, 11, 1:22 am
Have you asked if they're willing to change the ticket to the KE flight number? I know that agents have been known to change the flight number between DL and AF when needed to get a Premium Voyageur->Affaires upgrade go through.
I guess this is what grey area is called.
Actually, the rules for the SkyTeam Mileage Upgrade Program are very clear (http://www.SkyTeam.com/en/Why-SkyTeam/Frequent-Flyer-Program/Earn-and-Redeem-Miles/):
1. Purchase an international, published, full-fare Economy Class reservation on one of the participating SkyTeam Member airlines. The flight must be marketed and operated by the same SkyTeam carrier, as code-share flights are not permitted.
As mtkeller had already mentioned, you do have an option of [re-]booking using a non-codeshared flight number.
fiveninerzero
Nov 10, 11, 10:28 am
[re-]booking using a non-codeshared flight number.
Not necessarily a bad idea, but my employer requires me to use US flag carriers with the only exception being codeshares such as this one.
olivedel
Nov 10, 11, 8:55 pm
Not necessarily a bad idea, but my employer requires me to use US flag carriers with the only exception being codeshares such as this one.
Sorry about that... I did not know that some companies would put so dum... ugh sorry... patriotic rules in their travel policies!
Sorry about that... I did not know that some companies would put so dum... ugh sorry... patriotic rules in their travel policies!
These rules likely flow-through from http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_America_Act
wtigerFF
Nov 11, 11, 1:12 pm
These rules likely flow-through from http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_America_Act
That's exactly the reason. Companies which work on gov't contracts will not be reimbursed for costs unless they use a US carrier, even if it's more expensive. I was surprised the first time I was permitted to fly LH as long as it looked like a UA flight.
mtkeller
Nov 11, 11, 3:22 pm
That's exactly the reason. Companies which work on gov't contracts will not be reimbursed for costs unless they use a US carrier, even if it's more expensive. I was surprised the first time I was permitted to fly LH as long as it looked like a UA flight.
So now that it's ticketed and paid, have you tried persuading DL to change the flight number you're booked under? (Or do you have to turn in boarding passes in the end that will need to reflect the DL flight number?)
HawaiiO
Nov 11, 11, 10:44 pm
Not so bad to be on KE Economy as their Economy class is very nice.
Lots of legroom 34" and the IFE is very good with a big AVOD screen.
Food is nice too.
DHalltheway
Nov 12, 11, 12:25 am
Not so bad to be on KE Economy as their Economy class is very nice.
Lots of legroom 34" and the IFE is very good with a big AVOD screen.
Food is nice too.
It is very hard to convince anyone that Y is not bad considering they had their eyes on J.:p
standardgirl
Nov 22, 11, 8:03 am
It is very hard to convince anyone that Y is not bad considering they had their eyes on J.:p
to make the matter even worse, the ticket was bought and issued in Y booking class which means that a lot more money was paid for no difference than a heavily discounted economy seat...
bescobar
Nov 29, 11, 12:24 am
With a full fare Y ticket you have the option to change flights.
Instead of a non stop ICN to ATL, why not take a DL metal flight (DL 646) to NRT or a DL code share on KE metal (DL 7877) and then to the trans pac to ATL on Delta metal, DL 280, and grab your upgrade, or take the DL metal (DL 158) from ICN to DTW and a domestic DL flight into Atlanta. The comfort of business class on the trans pac is, IMHO, well worth the connection vs non stop flight.
fiveninerzero
Dec 4, 11, 6:37 am
With a full fare Y ticket you have the option to change flights.
Instead of a non stop ICN to ATL, why not take a DL metal flight (DL 646) to NRT or a DL code share on KE metal (DL 7877) and then to the trans pac to ATL on Delta metal, DL 280, and grab your upgrade, or take the DL metal (DL 158) from ICN to DTW and a domestic DL flight into Atlanta. The comfort of business class on the trans pac is, IMHO, well worth the connection vs non stop flight.
That's similar to what I finally ended up doing. I used expert flyer to find my Z upgrade options, found 1 seat open on the DTW return, called DL, booked that, and then got waitlisted for F on the ATL-DTW sector. Thanks to Y, the upgrade finally cleared despite it being greater than 5 days out.
I ended up sucking it up on the inbound sector, flying in KE Y. It was very uncomfortable.
Douglas
Apr 17, 12, 4:44 am
I have been searching for a consolidated list of mileage requirements for Skyteam upgrades. Any way to find out without having to call?