Hilton HHonors - Hilton Times Square versus The Waldorf=Astoria®

Hey Gang,

Thanks for all the previous suggestions... both here and in email. We will be going to NYC for the US Open and the theatre over Labor Day.

Have it narrowed down to two properties... and I have stayed at neither one. Can you let me know which you would choose:

1. Times Square Hilton

2. Waldorf Astoria

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks

William

I personally would try the TS Hilton, although I haven't stayed there either. The location would seem to be better for walking to Broadway theaters and the area in general would be more fun (IMHO) and more casual. Of course it depends on what you are looking for.

I have stayed at the Waldorf only twice for business meetings and both times I was a bit disappointed. The first time was years ago and I was given a small room that could have used some renovation. I was put off by their "dress code" for public areas. They gave out a little booklet that advised what apparel was inappropriate for the lobby, etc. (sports caps, etc.) I actually changed out of jeans and a t-shirt into slacks and a sweater just to leave my room to get a newspaper. I much prefer a place where I don't feel out of place if I want to dress casually. That, of course, is a matter of choice.

The second time at the Waldorf, I politely told the desk clerk at check-in that I would like a non-smoking room (as was specified in my reservation) because I have an allergic reaction to cigarette smoke. He nodded without saying anything and gave me a key to a small room that had ashtrays all over and the smell of cigarettes. When I went back to the front desk to try again, the attitude was that they just didn't care. I offered to wait for a non-smoking room to be cleaned and they finally found one that would be available in a couple of hours. I was more disturbed by the poor service attitude than by what could have been just an innocent mistake.

The bottom line for me was that the Waldorf seemed a bit pretentious and overpriced, and that the service was not great. If you enjoy a more casual atmosphere, William, I would think the TS Hilton would be better than the Waldorf (it certainly couldn't be worse.) If you like dressing up a lot and a more elegant atmosphere and admittedly some beautiful artwork on the walls, the Waldorf might be your cup of tea.

Thanks for the advice WestCoaster.

William

I was at the WA 3 weeks ago. Took someone's advice and sent a fax to the general mgr., stating that I was gold and our friends were silver & seeing NYC for the first time. Well for a $179. value price, my husband & I got a 2 room/2 bath suite at the Waldorf. My friends got a huge 2 room suite at the Towers, complete with chandeliers and gold appointed huge bathroom. There was also a bottle of sparkling water and a tray of petit fours awaiting us in our suite. I now love the Waldorf, the treatment there was elegant and everyone was so helpful.

I would definitely stay at the Waldorf - I've 14 nights there this year. I switched after having 18 nights this year at the TS Hilton. While the TS Hilton is a better location the staff is lousy and they yet to respond to any of my correspondence. The Waldorf is actually closer to 5th Ave if you are a shopper.

The Waldorf is exceptional in it's service. Jacqueline at the diamond desk is the best I have ever seen. On my last trip I took my wife, had asked Jacqueline if there was something special she could do - arrived at my upgraded room to find champagne, fresh strawberries and cream. I'll stay there anytime I am in New York.

I've stayed at both several times. IMHO: Go with TS Hilton unless you are Diamond.

Waldorf is good for people watching, but *very* expensive for anything other than food. If you are not a Diamond or have prior trips there, it will be difficult to get a room upgrade -- and many regular rooms are quite small.

TS Hilton is closer to theatre and restaurant row with easy access to subways throughout Manhattan, e.g. where the action is. Room quality is excellent and even regular rooms are large (by NY standards).

I have yet to have problems with staff or service @ TS Hilton. Of course, different people have different experiences.

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I'd essentially be selecting based primarily on the more desirable location for you! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I have to agree about Jacqueline at the Diamond desk at teh Waldorf. And she also ties bow-ties...

The Waldorf is a MUCH nicer hotel than TS, which is just another run-of-the mill business hotel, same as every other one on the planet.

Yes, the Waldorf is a bit "nicer," IMHO, but the Waldorf Towers, now known as the Conrad, is the one that is much nicer! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Nearly like apples & oranges & tangerines, in certain respects, when you try to compare them! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I'm staying at the Times Square Hilton on a GLONP in mid-April. I had booked one night early at a rate of $260, but just now noticed I could stay at the Waldorf for that night for $50 cheaper.

What's your opinion? If I stay at the Waldorf for one night, I get an extra stay credit, plus get to try out the hotel, but have to hassle with the move between hotels. We will be flying into LGA and I have never (gasp!) been to NYC before.

Also, while you are reading this, do you have any favorite places to go for a good steak?

I'd go for the Waldorf!

I'd go for the Palm!

Email me if I can be of any further help! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I was at the Times Square and the staff is the rudest I've encountered in NYC. Rooms are quite nice – you don’t specify if you’re Gold or Diamond but I would guess an upgrade wouldn’t be a problem. You can always email or call the hotel (email me if you need more details).

However, I would definitely opt for the Waldorf – the “pain” of switching really depends on how much bags you have (you might be travelling with kids, in which case you could stay put at the TS).

You get to try a truly mythical hotel and you might get a nice surprise with upgrades (check the other thread to know what to expect http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif).

Let me know if you have any specific questions on either property.

Thanks Canista - actually you already gave me the TS contact last week! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

No kids this time, but right now my plan is to stay at the Waldorf the first night, then switch to the Times Square for my GLONP. (maybe better location, plus no availability at the Waldorf.)

I'm (only) Gold, so I will keep my fingers crossed for an upgrade (an email to the GM shouldn't hurt).

Can't argue with the Palm. I like Smith & Wollensky too. Both are nearby, and the Waldorf is closer to both. Essa bagel is very good NY deli nearby on Third Avenue. I'm sure the hotel could give you directions.

Peter Lugers is supposed to be the best steakhouse in NY but its in Brooklyn and they only take cash.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by johnndor:
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif too many emails... too little brain power! Sorry http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

There's a very good Ruth's Chris steakhouse near Times Square at 51st St and 7th Ave(on 51st).

While the above posters mentioned the #3, 4 and 5 places to go for steak, they all missed #1... SPARKS.
#2 is Peter Lugers in Brooklyn.

At least this topic is worthy of discussion.

Dan

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by johnndor:
I'm staying at the Times Square Hilton on a GLONP in mid-April. I had booked one night early at a rate of $260, but just now noticed I could stay at the Waldorf for that night for $50 cheaper.

What's your opinion? If I stay at the Waldorf for one night, I get an extra stay credit, plus get to try out the hotel, but have to hassle with the move between hotels.</font>

Just did the opposite of what you are suggesting this past weekend. It really was not a hassle. Cab will cost $5

It was my first time at the Times Square Hilton, liked it for its location to many theatre events. But being around constant tourists got old, so I was glad to get to the Waldorf. The only problem I had w/the Times Square property is the BS arguement over obtaining another breakfast voucher for my wife.

Ruth's Chris...Yum! That's my favorite place for a great steak dinner.

I've thought of trying Ruth's Chris'... they have one in town in KC. I have tried Morton's (and loved it) and hear that some like Ruth's better.

forgot the add the steak house rec.

I LOVE STEAK!

Go to Peter Lugar's steak house in Brooklyn.
It is the quintessential wood table, rude surely waiters, but a tremendous piece of meat every time steakhouse. Peter Lugar's Steakhouse, 178 Broadway, Brooklyn NY:
Despite the somewhat seedy Brooklyn digs and the less than opulent atmosphere,
Lugar's is always on the short list of best steaks in America. They go to the meat market every day and pick out the meat themselves, and are obsessive about the
quality of their food. After their meat is selected by Lugar's staffers, it's aged in
their on-site aging rooms using a secret process. This adds a unique flavor to the
already excellent meat. Lugar's even makes their own steak sauce!

WARNING on Ruth's Chirs steaks, they put butter on their steaks which I dislike greatly as IMO the true taste of the steak does not come out. I have been three times and each time they have neglected to leave off the butter. Ugh http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

I haven't stayed at Times Square, but the rooms at the Waldorf are extremely spacious. My only counsel would be to ask for a room that faces outside rather than one that looks across towards another wing of the hotel-this is a peeve of mine-I like to leave my drapes open without having others look into my room. You should ask to be upgraded to the Towers section, where, aside from slightly nicer furnishings, they use Penhaligans toiletries, which I think contain some of the freshest scents I have used in hotel bathing products. Finally, you will have a much shorter cab ride back to LGA from the Waldorf, especially if you are leaving on a weekday, when cross-town traffic can be horrific.

The Ruth's CHris in NYC was the site of the second Catman DO Two (2000.)

As for the butter: you should ask at the beginning of the order NO BUTTER&gt; If they put butter send the steak back. IF you are not satisfied the place will (at least on two occassions wtih less than purrfect service) the steak for free.

But generally they will follow your request (as they do when I ask for New York Strip, Medium well, charr broiled, New Orleans Style -- that's very spicy.)

Have to confess I was not that impressed with Lugar's. Good food but rude service, and it's hard to pack a lot of cash to pay for the meal. Plus the floors are slippery and twice I have slipped on the floor. (once with workmates who filmed the scene.)

Sparks' is excellent. SO is Ruth's. Morton's can be mixed.

As for the hotels: Waldorf is very nice but give teh Hilton Times Sq a try. At least when I stayed there (and other friends) it has been one of the best hotels in service and facilities I've seen (no Executive Lounge though http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif )

Enjoy and if you want any company post on Community. There are plenty of NYC area FLyertalkers who might be free for dinner.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jmorris:
I haven't stayed at Times Square, but the rooms at the Waldorf are extremely spacious. </font>


Some rooms are as small as a closet in the Times Square Hotel too (or seem like it), so not all rooms are spacious.

Looking for advice - I've read many threads on both properties but ......

I am planning a trip to NYC for Christmas 2002. Will arrive on Sat 21st & leave the following weekend. Seeing rates of $199 @ Waldorf & $256 @ Times Square for "King Deluxe Room" during this period.

I will plan to pay for a couple of nights and use HH points for the rest during this stay.
Where do you recommend I should stay, bearing in mind I'm a HH Diamond and will be wanting an upgrade http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif
I've stayed at the TS before, but wondered what type of room I might expect in the Waldorf, and if it would be much more special at Christmas ?
Your thoughts .....

my vote is for the waldorf astoria.........

but if u plan to eat or drink in the hotel bring lots of MONEY!!!!!!!!!

dont plan on getting club access because its very small will give to 2 drink txts for the bar worth about(40)dollar value

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by pppfun:
my vote is for the waldorf astoria.........</font>

Having been to the Waldorf around Christmas time, my vote is for the Waldorf as well.

Just can't imagine that the Times Sq location could come close to the atmosphere of the Waldorf.

Thanks for the advice - I was leaning towards the Waldorf (I always lean that way http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif), it looks like it may be the best option - seen it in many movies, so sounds like it may be the best option ......

"Lets just say it isn't the Waldorf"
or
"Lets just say it isn't Park & 50th"

Those are two standard lines I use to describe less than stellar accomodations the world over - quite candidly, the Waldorf=Astoria is the standard by which you should judge other hotels around the world - especially as a Diamond.

Keep in mind that the Hilton Hotel corporation has managed the hotel since 1947 (they bought the property entirely in 1974) - it is the FLAGSHIP of the Hilton brand. Consequently - the staff of the Waldorf=Astoria are instructed to take very good care of Diamond VIP's - and I have never been dissatisfied. Quite honestly, if you aren't treated very well at the Waldorf -why bother qualifying for Diamond at all?

Believe me - staying at the Waldorf as a Diamond makes all of those unpleasant stays in godforsaken places like Spokane, Washington and El Paso, Texas worth it.

The Waldorf was Conrad Hilton's favorite for good reason - call 212.355.3000 and ask them to ring Diamond reception (yes they have such a thing) and tell them you are coming to New York for Christmas and would like to be assured of the best possible accomodations. I am sure they will do everything possible to accomodate you.

Thanks hotlancer !

I will certainly take advantage of your information and call the Diamond reception.

Looks like I have made up my mind (or it's been made up for me http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif)

I will let you know how I get on ......

I stayed at both places several times. Depending on what you want to do, either place may be better for you.

Best room available
Times Square: clean, new 44th floor living room & bedroom suite with stereo, wet bar, jacuzzi, and sweeping view of south Manhattan & NJ.

Waldorf: Oh, la la! As a lowly Gold, I've yet to get one of those.

Standard room Quality
TS (with no upgrade): Clean, new, comfortable, and decent size.

Waldorf (with no upgrade): Very small. Beware of the petite rooms where you can't walk on either side of the bed.

Location
Times Square: Perfect for Broadway shows (which play even on 12/25) and nearby subway access all over town. Right next to Madame Tussad's Wax Museum & across the street from BB King's.

Waldorf: 3 blocks from minor subway line, several blocks to Grand Central station. Tough winter walk to Times Square, 5th Ave shopping. You're looking a taxi rides most if not all of the time.

People watching
TS: Eh.

Waldorf: Wow!

Breakfast
TS: Free for Diamonds.

Waldorf: Free only with lounge access, which requires upgraded room. (Otherwise, you'll get a few drink coupons.) Some nearby bagel shops are better than Waldorf, and more of an NYC experience.

Other Food prices & quality
TS: Room service is Reasonable by NYC standards. The restaurant is quite good, gets positive write-ups.

Waldorf: Outrageous prices. There are convenience stores across the street. Worth the trip so you don't spend the equivilant of a Broadway show ticket for a bottle of water. Some nearby bagel shops are better than Waldorf's room service breakfast, cost 1/10 as much, and are true NYC experiences.

The restaurants are high-scale decent, but there are better places of similar type nearby. i.e. Steak: Bull & Bear on property is good, but Smith & Wollensky 2 blocks away is much better.

All of the above is MHO. e-mail me if you'd like more info.

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One more thought: Waldorf truly decorates the hotel for the holidays. It is beautiful.

Everyone should stay at the Waldorf=Astoria at least ONCE IN THEIR LIFETIME so that they know exactly what the fuss is all about.

And incidentally - I load up on snacks from the President's Club at EWR so that I am not tempted to use the in-room bar or dine at the hotel itself. There are many fine restaurants within walking distance - The Palm is just a few minutes away on Second Avenue - Angelo & Maxies is almost across the street.

Aren't ALL hotel restaurants very expensive anyway?

Thanks to everyone for all the replies here !! This is excellent info - really helps me to make that decision .....
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Last year my wife and I were in the Waldorf on Christmas. We used the point stretcher points and stayed three days for nothing.

The Times Square area was very crowded with mass es during the day, so if I had to choose the two I would definately go with the Waldorf. The service was excellent.

If anything the place was a bit stuffy in terms of wealth, but it was fun and definately a nice place.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ontheroad:
Waldorf: 3 blocks from minor subway line, several blocks to Grand Central station. Tough winter walk to Times Square, 5th Ave shopping. You're looking a taxi rides most if not all of the time.
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ontheroad has an excellent summary of the advantages and disadvantages of the two hotels. I have learned to use the subway from the Waldorf. The details escape me at the moment, but we found that if you exit the hotel by Oscar's you can on the subway with a one block walk (may be time/day restricted) and get back with a one and a half or two block walk. Getting to Times Square and other destinations is not as bad I thought it was going to be.

Of course, you are not near the theaters and such and shouldn't be misled. By the way, the theater packages from the Waldorf (or just the desk in the lobby) can be great deals for hard to get shows.

Charles

I'm also planning to stay at the Waldorf Astoria Dec 19th - 22nd Dec as part of my Christmas shopping expedition!

At the moment I am a lowly Gold, I will be one stay short this year for Diamond http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif (Do you think Hilton will let me off if I prove that I will be doing well in excess of 28 stays next year?), so what can I expect as a Gold at this property?

Is it worth phoning/mailing the hotel in advance as the shopping trip is a special 21st birthday present to my sibling?

Thanks,
Richard

It's definitely worth contacting the hotel directly before hand. I did this as a Gold and got upgraded to an excellent two-room suite!

Is there an e-mail address or phone nubmer to contact them?

Thanks,
Richard

I, too, am planning a stay at the W-A and would be grateful if anyone could provide email or phone # of the GM so I can contact them in advance.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RichardMannion:
Is there an e-mail address or phone nubmer to contact them?

Thanks,
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Richard -- You've got mail. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by sheetz:
I, too, am planning a stay at the W-A and would be grateful if anyone could provide email or phone # of the GM so I can contact them in advance.</font>

You've got mail too. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

If you've never stayed at the Waldorf, go for it. The Hilton Times Square is in a great location in terms of Broadway, but the hotel is uninspiring. I'm also not crazy about 42nd street. I like the fact that it has been revitalized, but it's a bit too much like Las Vegas. The Waldorf is a class-act.

Thanks, Eugene!

Johnndor:

We will be staying at the Waldorf for 2 days at Christmas. When I made the reservation, told them I was Gold VIP, but no one mentioned anythng about an upgrade right then and there. How did you manage it?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by LAX UA 1K:
ontheroad has an excellent summary of the advantages and disadvantages of the two hotels. I have learned to use the subway from the Waldorf. The details escape me at the moment, but we found that if you exit the hotel by Oscar's you can on the subway with a one block walk (may be time/day restricted) and get back with a one and a half or two block walk. Getting to Times Square and other destinations is not as bad I thought it was going to be.

Of course, you are not near the theaters and such and shouldn't be misled. By the way, the theater packages from the Waldorf (or just the desk in the lobby) can be great deals for hard to get shows.

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Being a NY native ill explain the subway lines.The 51st/lex station is the station across the street the 6 train on the lex line stops there.That will take you downtown via grand central,and 14st union square to the final stop of brooklyn bridge which is right by city hall.Or uptown on lex making all local stops to the bronx.Connection to the express 4/5 trains can be made at 42nd for southbound travel towards downtown/brooklyn and at 59th st (bilevel station) to go uptown/bronx.The 51st/lex station is also connected to the E/V station at the citicorp building 53rd/lex.The E train will take you now to chambers st via times square(used to end at the wtc now ends a few blocks away)going southbound and will take you to jamica,queens going eastbound.The V train will take you to queens going eastbound and to 2nd ave/houston st going southbound via herald square,the west village area,soho.If you have any more questions about the trains just drop me an email.
-howie

The Waldorf should be your choice above all else. Christmas time in NYC, however, is busy at any hotel, so your upgrade chances may not be any better at one property vs. another. But as a Diamond, you should get very good recognition at the Waldorf and experience a truly wonderful stay. Be sure to bypass the main registration desks and head for the Diamond Reception room at the far end. One of the well-versed Associates there will take good care of you.

Since becoming Diamond earlier this year, I have stayed at no other Hilton property. I'm averaging 10-15 nights per month (across several stays) at the Waldorf, including one right now. The maid just stopped into my 2 room suite to turn down the bed.

As a Diamond, you can reasonably hope for an upgrade to what they call a 'mini suite'. It's a bedroom (king or 2 doubles) with TV and bathroom, as well as a separate living room also with a TV and bathroom. The LR has a pull out sofa and desk, too. This is what I usually get on my stays. Otherwise, a nicely appointed large corner room.

Enjoy!

I am scoring a night at the Waldorf for 21k points (Point Stretchers) at the end of July. Not a bad weekend getaway. They do have these point stretchers, but it can be hard to get the CSR to tell you what days are valid. At first he told me that I have to give him a date and he will tell me if it is OK. Then I persisted and finally he put me on hold and returned a few minutes later with a string of valid dates.

You can actually get the point stretcher dates off the hilton web site.

Here is how to do it...

- go to hilton.com
- search for your hotel
- when the hotel shows up, select more to get to the hotel's main page
- click on hhonors

W=A reports the following dates for 2002 point stretchers

July 21-27
August 18-24

My wife and just returned from a 4-day stay at the Waldorf. It was delightful.

To followup on "stockmanjr" and "ontheroad" subway report:

a: there is an Exit/Entrance at 51st and Lexington (one block from the Waldorf) at this Subway Entrance you get the #6 DOWNTOWN subway to Grand Central Station, just ONE stop.

You must be very careful about Downtown VS Uptown subways.

b: at Grand Central Station (to go to Times Square) you get the #7 UPTOWN subway to Times Square.

Just the reverse on the way home, it is a little confusing the first or second time you ride the subway.

Another suggestion, ask the Concierge about a Metro card for Public Transportation.

Thinking about staying in one or the other for Thanksgiving. I know the Waldorf is a great landmark hotel, but wonder if I will be in one of the "staff" closet rooms with an airshaft view when claiming an award. Anyone ever stay at the Hilton Times Square?
Thanks!



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UA Premier - HH Gold vip

I am a lowly Gold and was upgraded to a suite at the Waldorf when I used an award stay this past April. I also got breakfast coupons for one of the restaurants downstairs, which saved us about $17 each.

Thanks! The Waldorf it is!

I twill be a great Thanksgiving, especially if I get bumped on Nov. 27!

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Looks like many of you have gotten upgrades by calling the hotel in advance. Can you tell me who you talk to and just what you say?
I would love an upgrade at the Waldorf!

Thanks!

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Definitely the Waldorf.

What kind of upgrades have others gotten at the Waldorf as Diamond? Anything besides the mini suites i.e. is there a next category up if available? Can anyone compare the Waldorf to the Waldorf Towers? What advantages are present with staying in the Waldorf Towers? Also any particular method used to get the suite upgrade at the Hilton TS?

I just stayed at the Hilton Times Square last night, and after staying at the Waldroff in Februray, I would book the Hilton over it any day. The Waldroff was more money, the room they gave us fit into the Bathroom at the Hilton, and the Hilton gives you your choice of free breakfast or 500 points, and a bottle of water. The Waldroff offered us a free drink.

For subways, the Shuttle from Grand Central to Times Square is usually a better option then taking the 7 train.

The Waldorf will give you two drink coupons for any of their bars *OR* free breakfast in Oscars restaurant each day of your stay.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PHL:
The Waldorf will give you two drink coupons for any of their bars *OR* free breakfast in Oscars restaurant each day of your stay.</font>

We were specificailly told we sould not get breakfast, only people on the executive floor got breakfast, our choices were a free bottle of water, or a free drink in one of their bars, one free drink for the entire stay, not one per day. Breakfast was not an option.

The lobby was beautiful and all the other things that make the Waldrof famous, but as a place to stay it's not impressive at all, at least the room and treatment we got wasn't.

The person you talked to is sorely mistaken. It's a published benefit that Gold's and Diamonds get the free breakfast in the lounge, or in lieu of the lounge in the hotel restaurant.

I have received this benefit in numerous stays there over the past several months. They give the drink coupons(2) by default, but never raise an issue when I request the breakfast.

If that happens again(if you go back), speak directly to a supervisor.

They are not always well-versed on the rules...

I went to the rest. for the (cold) buffet, and was told I could apply the voucher "value" towards the hot buffet... from the menu, it should have been only a few dollars.

However, the cashier insisted that the "value" of the voucher was only maybe $17, despite the cold buffet on the menu at $24 (prices approximate, can't remember). So, I paid, but asked again at checkout, where the nice man removed the entire charge from my bill. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Dear FTers!

I have a conundrum, I am planning a nice trip to New York, and trying to choose between Waldorf Astoria and Hilton Times Square. The rates are very similar, and real quation is what to choose?
Here is a background:
A couple and a friend (two rooms), in late 20s, early 30s, looking for find dining, entertainment, great clubbing!
Thanks for your help!

Times Square!
Great location, right by scads of theatres; also near herds of people.

I would also try the DoubleTree in Times Square. Better location than Times Square Hilton (TSH). You almost have to go through an alley to get to the elevators to TSH.

Times Square or the Doubletree. Wht Waldroff, in my mind, is way overrated, and they don't care if you have status or not. When I have to stay over in the city I'll try for the Times Square first.

for LOCATION: Hilton Time Square can not be beaten. In the middle of everything on 42nd Street just off Time Square.

looking for CLASS: Waldorf Astoria is a classy old hotel on the Upper Eastside in a very nice neighbor, and very easy to go Downtown by subway.

Have stayed at both and enjoyed my stays at both.

Waldorf is actually Mid-town East, as it sits at 50th and Park. Upper East side really doesn't start until 59th(the southern Perimeter of Central Park).

It really can't be beat for service-especially if you get a good rate there. Jan-Feb rates were as low as $159 at one point when I was making my bookings a month or two ago. Mar-Apr start going up, as the meetings and conventions start filling it up again.

Gold upgrades are a mixed bag. I've heard people get treated very well as Gold, while others got a very small room. The place could have easily been filled, though. And, after meeting the GM and talking to him for a good 30-40 minutes, he assured me that they very strictly adhere to the HHonors guest program.

I'm told that there are, on average, 50-70 Diamonds on any given night. There are about 1200 rooms of so many varying sizes, that they can usually upgrade someone to *something* larger than they booked. But not always.

As a Diamond I am routinely upgraded to a Concierge or Mini suite on one of the top 3 floors. But that could be because I'm a weekly guest and they have my profile on file. (prefer 25-27, never 17 or 19, etc.) If it's your first visit, call ahead and speak to reservations about your options as a Gold. They may offer you an upgrade on the spot if the projections for the week are low.

And, don't forget to ask for your breakfast coupons if they don't give you a room on 25 or higher(those guests can use the lounge on 26). The coupons are good for 2 breakfast's daily in Oscar's restaurant.

Okay - Times Square, for the tourist, is fine I suppose. But it's noisy, crowded and just plain annoying (my opinion). Yeah, it's close to the theaters, but the Waldorf isn't too far from those locations either. Maybe a nice walk in the warmer weather, but in the cold Winter a cab ride is close and cheap.

There also are many great restaurants a short walk over to 2nd Avenue from the Waldorf that are more local, and definitely not tourist traps that you commonly find in Times Square.

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He's lying

I just got back from an award stay at the Waldorf-Astoria (our 7th anniversary and I wanted to do something special).

As a gold on an award reservation, they put us in an "ambassador suite" in the towers(31F) - this was a great room! I never even mentioned our anniversary nor did I have to ask for an upgrade.

The hotel was everything we expected it to be. I wasn't expecting an upgrade after reading the horror stories here on FT, but it made our stay very special.

My only complaint is that the lounge on 26 got very crowded for Sunday morning breakfast - the folks who came in after us couldn't find a place to sit!

asnovici, I am inferring from your post that Times Square is closer to action, shows, transportation hub throughout Manhattan.

Putting aside HHonors stuff and things I've described in previous posts, the fact is that there is plenty to do around Times Square just steps outside the TS Hilton, where from the Waldorf you have to go many blocks for anything other than some nice restaurants.

MHO

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Would any kind forum folks have an opinion on these two hotels. It's been a long time since we've been to New York.

The Hilton Time Square is very nice. Rooms are large, and service is good. Their restaurant (forgot the name now) is wonderful.
Waldorf would be nice if you get upgraded to the Waldorf Towers. Otherwise the Time Square would be my preference. Waldorf is one big hotel, and I find it too crowded and noisy (unless, as I said, you get into the Towers, then you have your own separate entrance and elevators, etc.).
Both locations are in convenient locations, so it's a toss.
Unless I can count on an upgrade to the Towers, or am willing to pay for it, I'd say the Time Square is a better bet.

Do you think that the Hilton times square would be a little more luxurious than the Doubletree Times Square?

The DT is the DT Suites, right? Then yes, I'd say so. While DT as a suite hotel will offer more room, etc., IMO Hilton Time Square is definitely more luxurious and is more than adequate space-wise for one or two persons. In fact, we stayed there as a family of four and it was not a problem. Note: Hilton TS has those sensor activitated mini-bars, that basically if you even touch a can of soda you end up getting charged... :rolleyes:
I've seen some favorable reviews of the DT though, and if space is an issue, then you might like to consider that property (see for example, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130269&highlight=Suites+Times+Square ). I'd go for the Hilton, though.

BTW, if you take a cab to the Hilton TS, make sure the driver knows it's the TS and NOT the Hilton NY. Better yet, have the address with you.

Having stayed at the W=A a couple of times I'm ready to try the Hilton TS. The W=A folks seem to be getting exceedingly stingy about things like lounge access, breakfast coupons, etc.

I know it wasn't part of the topic, but I'd put in for the Millenium Hilton. It has great access to the subway and PATH over to NJ. It's quieter and not in all the tourist congestion. On top of it, I was upgraded to suites on both stays a few weeks ago (3/27 and 4/3). On 4/3, my mother and I were upgraded to the Mayoral Suite on the 55th floor. I couldn't believe that since I had a rate of $159 for the night....

What's your status level? As a diamond I totally love the Waldrof, as a Gold I hated it (indeed, I wasn't going to book it but all the others were full and they started the suite thing).

If you want a larger two room suite, then go for the doubletree. If that's not an issue, then the Hilton. I like both, I have a stay in each coming up in the next two weeks (no good priced rooms at the Waldrof).

Would any kind forum folks have an opinion on these two hotels. It's been a long time since we've been to New York.

Personally, I think they are two different beasts. The Waldorf=Astoria is wonderful if you like the "old world" feeling, and especially if you are upgraded to a nice suite. (I've read here that there are some small, bad rooms there but I haven't experienced those myself.)

The Hilton Times Square is much newer, much fresher, more modern design. Very nice too, in a different way. I love the Hilton Times Square location too.

I'll also agree with the recommendation for the Millenium Hilton if you don't mind staying downtown and directly across from the World Trade Center site. Very new, very nice, good chance for upgrades.

Just my 2 cents.

Yes, the Waldorf and the Hilton Times Square are on 2 opposing ends of the spectrum in my opinion. The Waldorf is more grand and has a more opulent feel to it, though i found the rooms to be very old and lacking freshness. The Hilton Times Square is clean, fresh more simple/modern. The rooms are more airy/bright (bigger windows, so there's more natural light). Both locations are good, depending on what you plan to do. I agree that the Millenium Hilton is very nice and new, but it's far from all the activity.

Take a look at some pictures of these hotels. They might help you make your decision.

Hilton Time Sq: http://www.hotelscoop.com/hotelDetail1a.php?Hotelid=4031

Waldorf: http://www.hotelscoop.com/hotelDetail1a.php?Hotelid=4139

Other New York Hiltons: http://www.hotelscoop.com/bestOfNewYork.php

and I prefer the Hilton Times Square - more of a 'boutique' hotel, new, large rooms, comfortable.

The W=A is big, older, has a great japanese restaurant, and a nice bar. The millenium is fine, but I've had rooms there that I could get to cool in the middle of winter. The doubltree TS, is great if you need a suite.

I could only get free rooms at the Doubletree Times Square. Hope I won't be disappointed. Any suggestions for restaurants nearby?

I'm very partial to The Palm. Its branch on the west side, Palm West, is close by. A surprisingly good (and relatively inexpensive, compared to the Palm) joint is Lundy, which is itself a pretty well known establishment. I'd also suggest the restaurant at the Times Square Hilton (forgot its name now, but it's very nice).
Finding a good restaurant in NYC would be an easy task, at any event. Enjoy!

One of my favorite places in the area is the Hourglass Tavern (http://digitalcity.com/newyork/dining/venue.adp?vid=10612). It's cozy, inexpensive, and serves good food. Contrary to some what some reviews say, they do take credit cards.

I'll be at the Doubletree Sunday.

Lots of good stuff nearby, all depends on what you are looking for. I love the ChopHouse, part of the Heartland Brewery there in Times Square. If you fancy some BBG, then ther eare a couple of places (OK, nowhere near as good as mentioned in the best BBQ threat, but the city doesn't allow many smokers, so you take what you can get). There is an active thread in the New York area on some Turkish in the area.

You will have no trouble finding food, and without a doubt the Palm is an excellent choice.

and I prefer the Hilton Times Square - more of a 'boutique' hotel, new, large rooms, comfortable.

The W=A is big, older, has a great japanese restaurant

Indeed the Japanese restaurant is good, but don't pass up the Bull & Bear for the city's best steak. Highly underrated, yet some of the best cuts of beef outside of Kansas City.

Can anyone recommend some jazz places near Times Square or nearby?

Lucky enough to have 3 free nights with Hilton and have a choice Hilton in Times Sq. or Waldorf. What does Flyertalk think of the Waldorf? I've been to the Drake in Chicago, another "grand" old hotel and it was not that grand - certainly not than a newer hotel.

Please let me know what you think, should I do the Waldorf or Times Hilton?

Cheers,

GBT

Lucky enough to have 3 free nights with Hilton and have a choice Hilton in Times Sq. or Waldorf. What does Flyertalk think of the Waldorf? I've been to the Drake in Chicago, another "grand" old hotel and it was not that grand - certainly not than a newer hotel.

Please let me know what you think, should I do the Waldorf or Times Hilton?

Cheers,

GBT

I have stayed in neither. Been to the Hilton for dinner. Not bad. But based purely on if I had that choice, I'd take the Waldorf. Even if it isn't good, I'd like to know it first hand :).

I stay in both all the time. I wouldn't count on much at the Waldrof unless you were diamond and it was not your first visit. If you meet those conditions, you can get some totally incredible rooms, but if you don't, then you may end up in a room where you can lay in bed and touch both walls, at the same time. Seriously.

I prefer the Waldrof because I've been there before and I'm diamond and they give some very nice upgrades, but my very close second choice is the Hilton TS.

If you have diamond status its the waldorf

if you dont if ypou liek new stay in ts, like old stay waldorf, like times square craziness stay ts, like sedate park and madison ave stay waldorf, like overcrowded lobbies both will meet your need

Welcome to FlyerTalk, GreenbeanTvlr. As these are both Hilton properties, I am going to move this thread in to the Hilton forum. You've had some good input already; I think you'll find even more within that forum. Also, I encourage you to read some of the existing threads on both properties.

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I had really nice room in the waldorf as a lowly silver. :)

carlyle is right though... the two places are _different_. The waldorf is the waldorf, and that's neat, but the hilton is nice too. I found the waldorf to be a nice example of a tired style of hotel that doesn't really appeal to me... a very nice example, but not really different than any of the other dozen such examples I've stayed in. The hilton seemed like a nice example of a generic business hotel that happens to front onto times square. Now I tend to stay at the chelsea hotel. Character and history in spades, even if it is a bit rough around the edges... and the middle and every other bit ;)

Unless it's the first trip to new york and you're really keen to be in times square, I'd go with the waldorf just to be able to say you've stayed at the waldorf.

Lucky enough to have 3 free nights with Hilton and have a choice Hilton in Times Sq. or Waldorf. What does Flyertalk think of the Waldorf? I've been to the Drake in Chicago, another "grand" old hotel and it was not that grand - certainly not than a newer hotel.

Please let me know what you think, should I do the Waldorf or Times Hilton?

Cheers,

GBT
i stayed at Waldorf many times. Recently the upgrade is very difficult. If you get upgraded to executive floor they have a nice lounge. If you get upgraded to the towers you would be in heaven!!!
you have to try hard and insist for the upgrade. you will get a wortless coupon foir drinks. :mad:
You have achoice of Hilton and Towers that is a remodeld hotel and has very large executive floor.

I've stayed at the Waldorf twice with no status and at the TS as a Diamond (and at other Hilton properties in NYC).
I'm going back to NYC in a couple of weeks and staying at the Waldorf (this time as a Diamond).

Even with no upgrade it would be my first choice.

i stayed at Waldorf many times. Recently the upgrade is very difficult. If you get upgraded to executive floor they have a nice lounge. If you get upgraded to the towers you would be in heaven!!!
you have to try hard and insist for the upgrade. you will get a wortless coupon foir drinks. :mad:
You have achoice of Hilton and Towers that is a remodeld hotel and has very large executive floor.

As a gold who stays at the Waldorf Towers a few times a year, they have been very good with upgrades. I have had much success with suite upgrades at the property, but, they seem to value repeat guests and loyalty quite a bit. I would choose the Waldorf over the TS hilton, though, my experience is really just limited to the Towers.

Also, I am not really sure "why" the above poster said the drink coupons are worthless. My last stay, they gave me 6 coupons for drinks [since Towers has breakfast in the lounge] --- these are worth quite a bit since my Martini's run around $15 each... IMHO, I PREFER the drink coupons over a breakfast any day.... when in NYC rather grab a great local bagel over a hotel breakfast any day :D

Which hotel would be more fun for a girls weekend out? We want to go shopping and see the city. We've all been to NYC many times. Thanks.

I really liked the Hilton and it's proximity to Times Square. However, we were given a "regular" room at first and we had to insist on an upgrade because the rooms were very old and dated. We were moved to an executive floor room when one became available and it was a world of difference. I don't know if you hold any status with Hilton, but if you are Gold or above, then you should check out the Hilton. If you don't have status and will be stuck with a "regular" room, then the Waldorf Astoria has nicer basic rooms than the Hilton and it's not that much farther away.

You might consider the Doubletree Metropolitan. While the rooms aren't massive, the hotel is a recent full rehab. Location is excellent... just across the street from the Waldorf.

Lately their pricing has been very good, also.

The Waldorf wins hands-down, IMO, in terms of elegance. Go there if you can swing it!

My Hilton status is silver - so not much status, but I thought if it's the only clout I had with NYC hotels, it might get our four rooms something.

If you are looking for best value for the money, then I'd say the Mellenium is the way to go, though silver won't get you much more then the paying room at any of them.

The waldrof won't get you much unless you have status and you have been there before, but it's a real elegant place. The hilton TS has a great location, and the rooms are pretty good. Also consider the Doubletree Suites in Times square, the rooms are very good there, and pricing can be OK.

As noted, the DT on Lexington has had some incredible pricing, I was just there Monday, but the rooms are tiny.

I agree with cordelli and take a look at the DT Suites at Times Square. I'd take the cookies and DT Suites over the Hilton at Times Square unless there is a major price difference.

If you have any Hilton status, I'd definately look at the Waldorf=Astoria. BTW, I've noticed a $50.00 Bloomingdale's Shopping Package at $239.00 with a double bed there, a rate lower than most their rates for a stay there. The nearest rate to that I believe was $224.10 which was a Net Direct Pay Now rate. The date I checked was 3 July 2006 (although they haven't set the shopping packages according to advertising beyond 30 June 2006 yet).

The Millinium Hilton keeps their prices reasonably low compared to the rest of the Hiltons in NYC, and corner rooms with a view that you can not beat. Of course its lower Manhattan.

Now of course if you have the big bucks and want to stay "Hilton" brand... go with the Waldorf Towers!

S/F
-John

...If you have any Hilton status, I'd definately look at the Waldorf=Astoria. BTW, I've noticed a $50.00 Bloomingdale's Shopping Package at $239.00 with a double bed there, a rate lower than most their rates for a stay there. The nearest rate to that I believe was $224.10 which was a Net Direct Pay Now rate. The date I checked was 3 July 2006 (although they haven't set the shopping packages according to advertising beyond 30 June 2006 yet).

The Millinium Hilton keeps their prices reasonably low compared to the rest of the Hiltons in NYC, and corner rooms with a view that you can not beat. Of course its lower Manhattan.

Now of course if you have the big bucks and want to stay "Hilton" brand... go with the Waldorf Towers!

S/F
-John

I still can't get over the amazing range and great shopping at Century 21, opposite the WTC site and close to the Millenium Hilton. In your situation, I'd probably prefer the W.A. too, and use the subway to get to C21!

As noted, the DT on Lexington has had some incredible pricing, I was just there Monday, but the rooms are tiny.

As a diamond were you given an upgrade on your room? I thought they might give diamonds a jr. suite for example which I would assume would be large.

I stayed at the DT on Lexington last October MorganB. We had a Jr. Suite with a balcony, but unfortunately the Balcony was closed (door locked leading outside) during that time period for renovations. The room was a decent size, but the bathroom was one of the smallest I've ever seen for a DT, or a hotel in NYC.

As a Gold back then, we got breakfast coupons for the buffet breakfast. I can't tell you about upgrades because we reserved the room on a Government rate of $208.00 before DT caught on that they had placed those rooms at the Government Per Diem rate. Now they seem to go for an arm and a leg.

S/F
-John

As a diamond were you given an upgrade on your room? I thought they might give diamonds a jr. suite for example which I would assume would be large.

No, just breakfast, never had an upgrade there, it's the only NY property I've stayed in and gotten the room I paid for.

It's the go to hotel for what you get, a decent clean room, continental breakfast (you can upgrade to hot for $6 or so) at a very good price.

There is a small boutique hotel off of Times Square at 43rd, called The Casablanca. Rooms aren't huge, but they are clean with very nice bathrooms. The rates are reasonable as can be and you get a wine/cheese reception from 5-9 and a great continental breakfast in the morning (not to mention jars of oreo's and chips ahoy for the late night munchies).

Thanks for the info Johnny and Cordelli. I hopefully have a little vacation time coming up and was considering this location as a reward stay but I like room upgrades :). Might go with the W=A or stick with the Millenium.

I couldn't find the Waldorf 239 for room offer. It seemed the cheapest rate was 269. Does anyone know if I had someone else book our four rooms with diamond status card, we might get upgrades? My HH is only silver. Thanks.

Don't believe that will work.

I couldn't find the Waldorf 239 for room offer. It seemed the cheapest rate was 269. Does anyone know if I had someone else book our four rooms with diamond status card, we might get upgrades? My HH is only silver. Thanks.

During a recent stay at the WA it was made very clear to me on check in that they have over 100 diamonds at the property a night and being a diamond does not impress them. The chance of an upgrade even as a diamond is remote at best. so as a silver I would not hope for anything at the Waldorf. Personally I would not go back to the Waldorf, (and they know this, as I made my dissatisfaction clear, they have offered me a stay on them to try again) other than their name and history, there is currently not a lot to rave about. The service is mediocre at best and the room I was given as a diamond was nothing special. My recommendation, stay somewhere else and stop by and just see the Waldorf, maybe have dinner at the bull and bear steakhouse there, it is phenomenal. Any charm you get from the property you can get in a visit and stay better somewhere else.

I agree with the prior post on the W=A. If I were choosing I'd stay at the DT Times Square or the Millenium Hilton at the WTC.

Another DT vote

I really liked the Hilton and it's proximity to Times Square. However, we were given a "regular" room at first and we had to insist on an upgrade because the rooms were very old and dated. We were moved to an executive floor room when one became available and it was a world of difference. I don't know if you hold any status with Hilton, but if you are Gold or above, then you should check out the Hilton. If you don't have status and will be stuck with a "regular" room, then the Waldorf Astoria has nicer basic rooms than the Hilton and it's not that much farther away.
I think you are talking about the Hilton NY, not the Hilton Times Square that OP asked about.

Unless you want to shop in times square, I'd stay at the Waldorf over the HTS.

Really, I've never had a problem getting an upgrade at the W=A... now of course this year my status has sunk to a lowly Gold, so I'm not expecting anything special this upcoming visit in April.

That $239 with the Bloomingdale's $50 card I seen was only for that one specific date (3 July 2006) with a double bed. That rate was even cheaper than "bed assigned at check-in" rate. Of course I half suspect, the double bedded room is in a closet. I hadn't checked any other dates besides the 3rd. Right now I'm leaning at the DT Times Square myself for 3 July.

Now please realize, the W=A become less expensive during the summer months, then goes through a sharp turn (becoming more expensive) come September/October time frame throughout the rest of the year, then drops again the following January. So anyone looking for a $239 rate with the Bloomingdale's Shoppers Deal at the moment will probably be out of luck.

S/F
-John

P.S. I should have replied on an earlier post of someone who complained they couldn't just reserve a Saturday night at the W=A. W=A as it get closer to the subject weekend closes out just Saturday night stays. In order to get just a Saturday night stay with the W=A you have to reserve mega months in advance. Contrary to this though is sometimes as the date gets closer, they will open up Saturday night stays up, only if they are trying to fill rooms, that would go otherwise empty.

If I were you I would use Priceline and bid $115 on midtown east. You will probably get the Grand Hyatt or the Intercontinental.
Times Square is really gross and lame and no real New Yorkers ever go there. That being said the Hilton Times Sq is not a bad a property! One thing that sucks though is that you have to ride two elevators to get to your room.
If you use www.easyclicktravel.com sometimes you can get awesome rates on the Affinia Dumont which is a great hotel. It shows up as one of their opaque hotels where you dont see hotel until after you book. To get around this paste the URL of the hotel description page into this tool: http://www.betterbidding.com/show.php/autocom/custom/page/EasyClickTravel_Reverse_Look-up

Also, if you dont like the hotel you get with easclicktravel.com, they are refundable within 72 hours. Thanks.

Priceline also is very good for Midtown West. I usually bid $110 there. I spend about 40 nights a year in Priceline hotels. Another good one is Millenum Hilton. You can usually get this for $155 with Priceline especially on weekends.

During a recent stay at the WA it was made very clear to me on check in that they have over 100 diamonds at the property a night and being a diamond does not impress them. The chance of an upgrade even as a diamond is remote at best. so as a silver I would not hope for anything at the Waldorf. Personally I would not go back to the Waldorf, (and they know this, as I made my dissatisfaction clear, they have offered me a stay on them to try again) other than their name and history, there is currently not a lot to rave about. The service is mediocre at best and the room I was given as a diamond was nothing special. My recommendation, stay somewhere else and stop by and just see the Waldorf, maybe have dinner at the bull and bear steakhouse there, it is phenomenal. Any charm you get from the property you can get in a visit and stay better somewhere else.

^ Bull and the Bear is awesome, I have always enjoyed having dinner there.

Regarding the Waldorf, we stay at the Waldorf Towers 2-3 times per year; and have had very good success with upgrades on all of our stays. Of course, this might have more to do with being a "repeat guest" than Hilton Honors. This has been while being a HH Gold. Our next stay at the Towers will be as a Diamond, though, I don't really expect anything to change. Also, the Waldorf Towers is a rather small hotel [in comparison to the W-A] --- so, this might make the difference. I always email a week or so before arrival (same person each time), and am often quite happy to see that my reservation is updated (with the upgraded room status) online. Last time, we got really lucky, and were upgraded to a 2 bedroom suite for our New Years Eve stay. ^

Could some of you who indicated that you have stayed at both the HTS and the W=A please compare/contrast the breakfasts at both? For example, does either have dishes that the other doesn't have, etc.? Also, perhaps also any comments on the Doubletree TS buffet breakfast?

I have a reservation in late spring for five nights at HTS. W=A would be quite a bit more. I had given some thought to a split stay, staying at W=A Sat and Sunday, then remaining time at HTS but not sure if it would be worth the extra inconvenience and expense. If the W=A buffet breakfast was as good, say, as the Hilton Prague breakfast, I'd be interested, especially if the W=A breakfast buffet was considerably better than the HTS breakfast. So your comments on your own experiences?

Also, I understand that HTS does not have an executive lounge. However, when I called them to confirm this, mentioning that I was Gold, they did say (If I did not misunderstand) something about sandwiches in the deluxe room. Did I misunderstand?

Hope this post isn't OT. :confused: I thought about starting another thread, but hate to add to all the threads on NY Hilton hotels. Also hate to bring up the subject of food to the detriment of all other issues (smile) but, hey, we've all got our priorities. :) :) ;) :p

We stayed a the Doubletree TS and really enjoyed the location. Didn't eat one meal there but the location was great, the security was great. Bed was comfy, room was big. Service was good. All my requirements.

Six friends are going to stay at the Waldorf this month and I would appreciate any (not gourmet and not really pricey - not all of us are married to plastic surgeons) restaurant sugestions or broadway suggestions. I went last year, so it's not like I never go to New York but it would be nice to get some input for the surrounding area.

It's hard to compare breakfasts, as they don't have the same things all the time. When the Hilton TS has their warm fruit for the waffles or french toast, it's more then worth pushing people out of the way for.

On the other hand, the Waldrof has the best waffles I've ever had, when they have them.

The waldrof won't get you much unless you have status and you have been there before, but it's a real elegant place...


Just wondering why you say "AND have been there before"? What difference does having been there before make compared to status?

(I ask because I have a reservation there next week and although I have Diamond status, I've never been there before)

Just wondering why you say "AND have been there before"? What difference does having been there before make compared to status?

(I ask because I have a reservation there next week and although I have Diamond status, I've never been there before)

Repeating customers get better treatments.

I'm a Diamond and booked a 1-king bedroom "luxury tower room" at a special Romance Package rate (which includes sparkling wine at arrival and full American breakfast for two.)

Will this hotel upgrade me into a larger suite or am I pretty much stuck in this room? (not that it's a bad thing.)

My nightly rate for this package during this time is about $740 w/taxes.

I'm a Diamond and booked a 1-king bedroom "luxury tower room" at a special Romance Package rate (which includes sparkling wine at arrival and full American breakfast for two.)

Will this hotel upgrade me into a larger suite or am I pretty much stuck in this room? (not that it's a bad thing.)

My nightly rate for this package during this time is about $740 w/taxes.

IIRC, luxury tower room is located in The Waldorf Tower, which is different from the Waldorf=Astoria.

Since I started this thread, I thought I would finish it with a few comments. The hotel really tried hard to accomodate six ladies in for a weekend of culture and dining. Yes, it is an older hotel but the location is wonderful, lots of history and pretty well maintained. I had the best apple pie and crab cakes in the bar at the Bull and Bear. Breakfast staff was very congenial. Housekeeping staff was very good. It's a busy hotel but much more fun than the Doulbletree Times Square which is where we stayed last time. Really just a very nice experience.
I felt like I was in London. Older hotel but pleasant staff. What more can you expect unless you're paying lots more per night?

Can we use the 5/10/15 nights offer at the Waldorf? Or would anyone recommend another hotel to stay at for the free nights.

Can we use the 5/10/15 nights offer at the Waldorf? Or would anyone recommend another hotel to stay at for the free nights.

You can use the 5/10/15 cert. at W=A, but not the Waldorf Tower.

Could some of you who indicated that you have stayed at both the HTS and the W=A please compare/contrast the breakfasts at both? :p

I've just returned from New York and HTS so can now answer my own question, for any of you who want the breakfast information:

Breakfast at HTS, free to elites, maybe $16 or so otherwise. In a lobby area, American-style breakfast with scrambled eggs, slices of a frittata (sp?), link sausages, bacon, fried hash-brown potato triangles, sliced fruit, sweetened/fruit-flavored yogurt, packaged bagels, a tray of lox, oatmeal, also orange juice, coffee, tea. At end of meal you are presented a bill with a chance to add tip to your room charge. Quality is better than at a Hampton Inn, and the HTS staff are very nice.

Breakfast at W=A is at Oscar's, a brasserie on the Lexington side of the W=A. You DO NOT have to be a guest to have breakfast here. Charge is something like $24 for breakfast buffet (or can order off a menu) or $25 lunch buffet. Sun-Fri for breakfast, Mon-Fri for lunch. (Confirm this before going.) Breakfast buffet, bowl of scrambled eggs set out, bacon, link sausage, maybe lox (I've forgotten), cottage-fried (and very greasy) potatoes, a casserole entitled Croque Monsieur casserole (dried out), waffles, fruit, hard rolls, and unsweetened sour yogurt, also European-style pastries, studded with currants. I appreciated the sour yogurt.

If you are at HTS and want to try the Oscar's menu, you can take subway shuttle over to Lexington line, then uptown one stop, walk back one block, and you are there.

Comment: Both breakfasts were good. Neither was what I think of as a Hilton destination breakfast. If you've ever been to, say, the Hilton at Prague, you'll know what I mean. Also, here in the U.S., for American-style comfort and calories, the Embassy Suites brand. Still, the HTS breakfast was appreciated, and as always, at least Hilton does breakfast. The nearest neighbor of the HTS, the Westin TS, offers only a cold breakfast, and that only to their elites (or did last year, anyway). But there is also a McDonald's a few shops away from the HTS, and on the nearest side street (Eighth Avenue?), a small sandwich/take-out shop called Euro-Pan, or Europan, I think, which for snacks is sublime.

Overall comment: The W=A is just too much for me, too much paneling, too busy, but that is only one person's comment. HTS is a good hotel, very quiet and efficient. (Elsewhere, over in the Destinations/New York forum/subforum, in the existing thread "Finding a Good Hotel in NY_Newbie," I'm posting a comparison FWIW, in case anyone is interested, between the HTS overall and its nearest neighbor, the Westin NY TS.)

I really liked the Hilton and it's proximity to Times Square. However, we were given a "regular" room at first and we had to insist on an upgrade because the rooms were very old and dated.
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I find this VERY hard to believe. The Hilton Times Square has been open only a few years. How could ANY of the rooms be "old" and "dated?"

I will book a one night award stay in NYC for later this month and am torn between the Waldor=Astoria or Hilton Times Square. Which would you choose?

As a Hilton Diamond Honors member I would think perhaps I'd be upgraded for a exec floor room or have Lounge Access. Not sure if the W=A offers such treatments to Diamond members.

Can anyone advise on this subject who has experience with these properties?

I will book a one night award stay in NYC for later this month and am torn between the Waldor=Astoria or Hilton Times Square. Which would you choose?

As a Hilton Diamond Honors member I would think perhaps I'd be upgraded for a exec floor room or have Lounge Access. Not sure if the W=A offers such treatments to Diamond members.

Can anyone advise on this subject who has experience with these properties?

There is a great number of reports on both properties. Pls. utilize the search function. In an nutshell: No lounge access for the W=A, upgrade is a lottery. Don't know about Hilton TS.