JetBlue TrueBlue - B6 eyeing 150 dailies service at Logan, expansion PVD & ORH

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2011/09/22/jetblue-eyeing-worcester-providence.html?ana=yfcpc

B6 eyeing 150 dailies expansion after JetBlue will acquire all gates space at terminal C. When UA will moved out of terminal C. Could be considering to expanded more specific new route from Logan. Due to New York airspace is full right now. There is no more new slots restrictions left.

Gotta think that ORH will take a lot to happen. No real easy access off of highway, and lots of weather issues there too. Will it qualify for Essential Air Service program? Hardly rural, but not far from rural areas. How have other airlines managed flying out of there? Probably more likely that Massport offers some sort of incentive.

As far as getting all of Terminal C, I imagine they'd leave the one gate that Cape Air operates out of since they partner (if it even reaches that level) with them on bookings.

Delta did some (subsidized, IIRC) flying out of ORH maybe ten years ago. There's a decent-sized proximate market but all the Logan + Big Dig investments actually improved access significantly and made BOS a far better place to fly.

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2011/09/22/jetblue-eyeing-worcester-providence.html?ana=yfcpc

B6 eyeing 150 dailies expansion after JetBlue will acquire all gates space at terminal C. When UA will moved out of terminal C.

I cannot imagine Jet Blue will get United to give up its C gates unless United is first able to get additional A gates (presumably from Delta?). After all, as Jet Blue says, what's important is continuous gates.

Does anyone know how all this works? Since Logan only has a finite number of gates and not much room to expand, does a different airline have to give up gates for an airline to gain more?

For that matter, how do airlines even get gates? Do they take out fixed-term leases from Massport? Are gates available for bid when a lease-term ends? If there's periodic bidding, what security do airlines have when investing in adding service?

Delta did some (subsidized, IIRC) flying out of ORH maybe ten years ago. There's a decent-sized proximate market but all the Logan + Big Dig investments actually improved access significantly and made BOS a far better place to fly.

Yes, it was very, very short time ORH-ATL but, DL is discontinuation it. They didn't work out very well.

In the 70's, DL had ORH-MHT-BOS service on DC-9's. I think the plane came from LGA, but not sure.

in the 80's and 90's, Piedmont, USAirways, and CO all had mainline jets into ORH. I loved the old terminal that was retrofitted with ground level jetways. There was so much promise for ORH that the new terminal was built.

But all the mainlines pulled out!

I cannot imagine Jet Blue will get United to give up its C gates unless United is first able to get additional A gates (presumably from Delta?). After all, as Jet Blue says, what's important is continuous gates.


I imagine that United will want to co-locate with CO at Terminal A due to the completion of their merger. Right now the two airlines are being operated separately but I once they combine, they might see some opportunities to consolidate the number of gates they have at BOS.

UA and CO will definitely need to consolidate at BOS. The question is where.

There are some significant benefits to the gates in C that UA has vis a vis the aircraft they can handle. Depending on what the new UA has in mind for their BOS service giving those up could be trouble in the long run.

The talk from management is that UA doesn't want to move from C because they negotiated the lease rate during bankruptcy and the rates are dirt cheap compared to the other locations in Boston.

Another rumor is that 2 new (domestic) cities may be announced in 2012 with initial service to Boston and JFK service to possibly follow later. One rumor I have heard from management and the other just speculation. Both are cities that have been on our radar for some time. :p

;) I'll let you guys have fun with those 2 rumors

UA and CO will definitely need to consolidate at BOS. The question is where.

There are some significant benefits to the gates in C that UA has vis a vis the aircraft they can handle. Depending on what the new UA has in mind for their BOS service giving those up could be trouble in the long run.

Assuming AirTran moves from C to E (where WN is), there will be a few more gates for B6.

I don't know details about UA's agreement in terminal C, but I think terminal A has enough space to add UA.

I would think that terminal A could have UA, DL and AS. Terminal C could have B6 and Cape Air. And terminal E could have WN/FL (and international airlines).

I would assume the B2 (AA side) is less crowded than it used to be with AA's service cuts in BOS. A smaller airline could potentially move in there to make some space in another terminal.

I am curious to see how this plays out.

The talk from management is that UA doesn't want to move from C because they negotiated the lease rate during bankruptcy and the rates are dirt cheap compared to the other locations in Boston.

Another rumor is that 2 new (domestic) cities may be announced in 2012 with initial service to Boston and JFK service to possibly follow later. One rumor I have heard from management and the other just speculation. Both are cities that have been on our radar for some time. :p

;) I'll let you guys have fun with those 2 rumors

Well, where did you hear this? Is that rumors or something like that? I thinking B6 will considering 2 new domestic route from BOS-BHM or RNO. I knows what exactly JFK airspace is full due to the congestions. They won't give up anymore new slots restrictions. There is no more new slots. I think there is enough room at T5. I wasn't assuming if there is a chance to start more new route from JFK.

Assuming AirTran moves from C to E (where WN is), there will be a few more gates for B6.

The problem here is that AirTran's gates are in what was "Terminal D" and are not accessable (or at least easily accessable) through the rest of the C gates...of course B6 is already in the two main sections of C, though I believe work is underway to link them.

The Terminal D gates are now used by WN and completely sealed off from Terminal C. Air Tran now uses the old CO gates that were vacated when CO moved to A. Those gates are along the walk to Terminal D. We are suppose to be taking those gates as well from FL but I haven't been to work in a couple of months so I'm not fully up-to-date and don't know if that is still the plan.

The problem here is that AirTran's gates are in what was "Terminal D" and are not accessable (or at least easily accessable) through the rest of the C gates...of course B6 is already in the two main sections of C, though I believe work is underway to link them.

The Terminal D gates are now used by WN and completely sealed off from Terminal C. Air Tran now uses the old CO gates that were vacated when CO moved to A. Those gates are along the walk to Terminal D. We are suppose to be taking those gates as well from FL but I haven't been to work in a couple of months so I'm not fully up-to-date and don't know if that is still the plan.

Doesn't WN fly out of Terminal E, the old Northwest gates? Terminal D actually doesn't exist there's just A, B, C and E. I believe that at some point E will be renamed D. The gates that were D were made a part of C, and I think it's those C gates that AirTran flies out of (at least that was the case last September when I last flew AirTran). You are correct though, those particular gates are completely seperate from the rest of Terminal C and have different security lines.

A couple months ago, the word was that COUA was going to B2 (with Massport creating a airside connection between B1 and B2 for COUA-US connections), AA was going to A, and B6 was taking the UA gates at C...

WN does fly out of Terminal E. Those old D gates where tacked on to Terminal E. When NW moved out WN, or Massport, I believe Massport, tore down the wall between D and E and extened the concourse to give WN those old D gates, E1A-E1E. Logan Terminal Map (http://www.massport.com/logan-airport/inside-airport/Pages/logan-interactive-maps.html). Terminal C now consistes of the UA and B6 Piers, which are now connected via a joint checkpoint and the current FL gates which have their own seperate checkpoint

Doesn't WN fly out of Terminal E, the old Northwest gates? Terminal D actually doesn't exist there's just A, B, C and E. I believe that at some point E will be renamed D. The gates that were D were made a part of C, and I think it's those C gates that AirTran flies out of (at least that was the case last September when I last flew AirTran). You are correct though, those particular gates are completely seperate from the rest of Terminal C and have different security lines.

A couple months ago, the word was that COUA was going to B2 (with Massport creating a airside connection between B1 and B2 for COUA-US connections), AA was going to A, and B6 was taking the UA gates at C...

Why not have expansion more gates space? Why can't have expanded more new terminal or satellite terminal? Can't they have enough leak the gate space? That way it will freeing up some gate space at entire Terminal A, B, C, D.

Why not have expansion more gates space? Why can't have expanded more new terminal or satellite terminal? Can't they have enough leak the gate space? That way it will freeing up some gate space at entire Terminal A, B, C, D.

Is there space to expand? The airport seems pretty tightly hemmed in with the harbor, highways and tunnels, hotels, etc.

Is there space to expand? The airport seems pretty tightly hemmed in with the harbor, highways and tunnels, hotels, etc.

Not to mention, by the time everyone was done getting paid off, and all lawsuits settled, we'd be able to say "scotty beam me up" and moments later we'd be at our destination. :cool:

Is there space to expand? The airport seems pretty tightly hemmed in with the harbor, highways and tunnels, hotels, etc.


It sounds, from the above posts, like the additional space would be created at the bottom of the "U" that is terminal B and would join the AA side with the US side of the terminal.

Not to mention, by the time everyone was done getting paid off, and all lawsuits settled, we'd be able to say "scotty beam me up" and moments later we'd be at our destination. :cool:

You say that, huh? :p You can called me Scotty if you like. Sure, why not? Can they have expanded more terminals space and need to constructed more new concourse, too.

I would be very confused if AA abandoned their facilities in Terminal B, but recognize that UA and CO need to relocate somewhere.

The rumor about an air-side connection between the two parts of B may be related to the construction project that has kept half the parking garage in B closed for months. This would be the cheapest and least complicated place to create such a connection.

I don't know if this means anything/is a change, but the Logan airport page that describes the US/AC side of Terminal B has an interesting address:
http://www.massport.com/logan-airport/inside-airport/Pages/logan-interactive-maps.html#/terminal/B/zone/Departures-UA