Other North & South America Frequent Flyer Programs - California Pacific Airlines

As of 09/09/2011, they achieved the first of several milestones in achieving certification. Word is they will have 2 class service, free checked bags and wifi-aboard, primarily serving larger intra-California markets, LAS and PHX.

What type of FF should they offer? Their own branded, or just piggy-back off the AS or B6 FF plans?

My take? mix in the smaller intra-CA markets like BFL, FAT, Redding, RNO, SBA, SLO that ExpressJet served, and abandone the idea of a proprietary FF plan in favor of piggy-backing the AS or B6 plans.

As of 09/09/2011, they achieved the first of several milestones in achieving certification. Word is they will have 2 class service, free checked bags and wifi-aboard, primarily serving larger intra-California markets, LAS and PHX.


I've been watching CP Air's developments, and I can't wait to fly with them. It will give some more competition on the OAK-PHX route.


What type of FF should they offer? Their own branded, or just piggy-back off the AS or B6 FF plans?


I don't like point based programs, as its easier for the airline to devalue the program. The AS program would give pax a more robust set of partners from the onset . While B6's FFP, with no airline partners, is a total waste of time. However, I would rather see them use AA's program as a first choice.

I've been watching CP Air's developments, and I can't wait to fly with them. It will give some more competition on the OAK-PHX route.



I don't like point based programs, as its easier for the airline to devalue the program. The AS program would give pax a more robust set of partners from the onset . While B6's FFP, with no airline partners, is a total waste of time. However, I would rather see them use AA's program as a first choice.

The pushback from the legacy carriers is that unionized pilot and FA groups see potential agreements with these type of airlines as a way to eventually codeshare or outsource flying.

By piggybacking onto an established FF program, you eliminate an obstacle to building a client base. Historically, legacy carriers use their FF programs to shield their eilte fliers from being poached by new upstarts, even if the newer entrant offers a better on board product.

The pushback from the legacy carriers is that unionized pilot and FA groups see potential agreements with these type of airlines as a way to eventually codeshare or outsource flying.

By piggybacking onto an established FF program, you eliminate an obstacle to building a client base. Historically, legacy carriers use their FF programs to shield their eilte fliers from being poached by new upstarts, even if the newer entrant offers a better on board product.

I think AS' Mileage Plan will be the most likely outcome. While I would rather have AA's AAdvantage, their management doesn't think outside the box.

I wonder which terminal they will use in PHX? Probably T3.

I think AS' Mileage Plan will be the most likely outcome. While I would rather have AA's AAdvantage, their management doesn't think outside the box.

With AS disembowling QX and putting future regional flying up for bid, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cal-Pac position themselves for future contract flying, especially to intra-CA markets ignored by UA/AA. That is a long way off, however.

With AS disembowling QX and putting future regional flying up for bid, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cal-Pac position themselves for future contract flying, especially to intra-CA markets ignored by UA/AA. That is a long way off, however.

That would be awesome. I can support a new carrier and get miles that have a real value.