I work in Suadi and can have no Israel stamps in my passport or will be denied entry.
If I transit Tel Aviv can they do the throw away paper (visa/chop/stamp thingy)for sure like on Allenby crossing from Jordan
If there is any chance of an entry stamp I cannot return to work.
All advice esp from those who done this and re-entered KSA welcome
Thank you in anticipation
Houminer
Sep 4, 11, 2:59 am
If I transit Tel Aviv can they do the throw away paper (visa/chop/stamp thingy)for sure like on Allenby crossing from Jordan
Several posts state that it is a possible to get the stamp on a piece of paper and not in the passport.
Why are you transiting through TLV?
I would do anything to avoid this transit (it would probably be worse than LHR or FRA...)
JDiver
Sep 4, 11, 10:13 am
Welcome to FlyerTalk!
We've moved your query to the Middle East Forum, much more likely to get some attention and instructive replies than the El Al Matmid Forum.
I also recommend using Advanced Search: from the main Forum page, right on menu: click on Search This Forum, select show threads and click on Advanced Search, search for keyword Israel and search by thread titles only directly below, showing threads only at the bottom. Some threads here discuss various issues regarding visas and entry permits into Israel.
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joshwex90
Sep 4, 11, 11:08 am
I am new here so sorry if an old question.
I work in Suadi and can have no Israel stamps in my passport or will be denied entry.
If I transit Tel Aviv can they do the throw away paper (visa/chop/stamp thingy)for sure like on Allenby crossing from Jordan
If there is any chance of an entry stamp I cannot return to work.
All advice esp from those who done this and re-entered KSA welcome
Thank you in anticipation
You can get a piece of paper stamped, but there are reports that now, they simply won't stamp the passport upon request. Why are you transiting TLV though?
Thumper
Sep 7, 11, 9:46 am
I can confirm first person that border crossings are advised to not stamp a passport upon request. The notice reads that this is in consideration of some travelers' "other destinations".
This was as of August 25 that I can confirm this.
joshwex90
Sep 7, 11, 9:51 am
Are you transiting TLV or entering via Allenby? Those are 2 (very) different points of entry!
Thumper
Sep 15, 11, 12:27 am
I can confirm first person that border crossings are advised to not stamp a passport upon request. The notice reads that this is in consideration of some travelers' "other destinations".
This was as of August 25 that I can confirm this.
The information I have stated above pertains to the Allenby Bridge, where I saw it done within the past 3 weeks.
YVR Cockroach
Sep 16, 11, 4:58 pm
The Jordanians will stamp your passport and any immigration officer in the region will know you transited through Israel. Where else could someone entering or leaving Jordan at that border crossing be going to?
joshwex90
Sep 18, 11, 5:26 am
The Jordanians will stamp your passport and any immigration officer in the region will know you transited through Israel. Where else could someone entering or leaving Jordan at that border crossing be going to?
OP stated "like on Allenby crossing from Jordan." That means Israeli immigration officers, not Jordanian ones. And Israelis will not stamp passport upon request.
TWA884
Sep 18, 11, 1:21 pm
OP stated "like on Allenby crossing from Jordan." That means Israeli immigration officers, not Jordanian ones. And Israelis will not stamp passport upon request.
That's correct. However, the OP is concerned about being readmitted into Saudi Arabia where (presumably) he works. He needs to be cautioned that his passport will contain evidence that he crossed into Israel regardless of whether there is an Israeli entry stamp.
joshwex90
Sep 18, 11, 4:15 pm
That's correct. However, the OP is concerned about being readmitted into Saudi Arabia where (presumably) he works. He needs to be cautioned that his passport will contain evidence that he crossed into Israel regardless of whether there is an Israeli entry stamp.
Not if he's not crossing into Jordan. He's crossing into Israel from Jordan. Jordan won't stamp on exit. Israel won't stamp on entry. Where's the evidence he was in Israel?
TWA884
Sep 18, 11, 5:56 pm
Jordan won't stamp on exit.
How sure are you about that point?
YVR Cockroach
Sep 18, 11, 7:36 pm
How sure are you about that point?
Just getting the OP to roll the dices and takes his chances... :D
joshwex90
Sep 19, 11, 5:03 am
How sure are you about that point?
I'm very sure about that. HOWEVER, what I forgot to take into account was that ordinarily, Jordan does stamp on exit. Which means, when you show up to Saudi Arabia with a Jordan entry stamp but no exit stamp, they'll be suspicious that you visited Israel.
(Practical thought: upon entry to Saudi Arabia, do they really scan the passport that intensely, to see entry but no exit from Jordan?)
jahason
Sep 22, 11, 3:26 am
Jordanians will stamp a piece of paper on request when entering Israel across Allenby Bridge and when returning. So there is no evidence of visiting Israel from Jordan.
If the plan is to fly into Israel, cross the Allenby Bridge and then fly out of Jordan, I am not sure how that can work.
joshwex90
Sep 22, 11, 3:36 am
Jordanians will stamp a piece of paper on request when entering Israel across Allenby Bridge and when returning. So there is no evidence of visiting Israel from Jordan.
If the plan is to fly into Israel, cross the Allenby Bridge and then fly out of Jordan, I am not sure how that can work.
Will they stamp a piece of paper in AMM as well?
jahason
Sep 22, 11, 8:44 am
Will they stamp a piece of paper in AMM as well? That I don't know.
YVR Cockroach
Sep 22, 11, 12:20 pm
Will they stamp a piece of paper in AMM as well?
Doubt it. Jordan isn't a pariah state and you need to buy the JOD 10 visa (at least at the airport). Nice picture of the "treasury" at Petra.
p.s. I've read that some Israeli immigration officials deny the paper stamp request. All the OP has to do is run across such an official and game over.....
joshwex90
Sep 22, 11, 4:14 pm
Doubt it. Jordan isn't a pariah state and you need to buy the JOD 10 visa (at least at the airport). Nice picture of the "treasury" at Petra.
Not sure what the relevance of pariah state is.. This isn't OMNI/PR. :rolleyes: This is a practical thread about immigration issues between Israel and her neighbors.
And no idea what you're talking about with the treasury or "treasury" in Petra.. :confused:
p.s. I've read that some Israeli immigration officials deny the paper stamp request. All the OP has to do is run across such an official and game over.....
And they have been fired for failing to comply with the OFFICIAL POLICY. That has happened in the past. Not since Israel changed the policy. Please show me RECENT EXAMPLES of this happening..
YVR Cockroach
Sep 22, 11, 7:02 pm
Not sure what the relevance of pariah state is.. This isn't OMNI/PR. :rolleyes: This is a practical thread about immigration issues between Israel and her neighbors.
Amongst Arab states, it is.
And no idea what you're talking about with the treasury or "treasury" in Petra.. :confused:
Obviously you haven't flown into AMM.
And they have been fired for failing to comply with the OFFICIAL POLICY. That has happened in the past. Not since Israel changed the policy. Please show me RECENT EXAMPLES of this happening..
I went looking for any "treasury" entry stamp into Jordan,
but don't seem to have one, probably because I entered
at the land crossing near Eilat.
These stamps are from a Tel Aviv-Eilat-Petra-Allenby-Jerusalem crcuit.
It doesn't help the OP, as I did NOT request stamp on paper.
Except to show what NOT to get...
I have since changed passports anyway,
...which could be an option for OP in AMM if things don't work out,
but actually, no, that doesn't sound good...
That's from over a year ago. They honor the requests in TLV, and at all border-crossings. I just confirmed that from friends at TLV
Thumper
Sep 24, 11, 6:47 pm
p.s. I've read that some Israeli immigration officials deny the paper stamp request. All the OP has to do is run across such an official and game over.....
I'm not certain if two people confirming the fact that this is not true means any more than one, but this story seems to not want to die.
First hand experience, in the Allenby Bridge terminal August 27, this is not the case.
donnabella
Sep 27, 11, 5:54 am
p.s. I've read that some Israeli immigration officials deny the paper stamp request. All the OP has to do is run across such an official and game over.....
British Foreign Office travel advice still warns of this
Entry Requirements - Visas
You do not need a visa to enter Israel. On entry, visitors are granted leave to enter (by means of a stamp in the passport) for a period of up to three months. In the past the Israeli immigration authorities have agreed to stamp landing cards, where available, and not passports, but since September 2006 they will rarely agree not to stamp your passport. If your passport is not stamped on entry and you have no other evidence of legal entry into Israel, you are likely to face problems travelling around Israel, particularly at any crossing points into the OPTs. If you work in Israel without the proper authority, you can be detained and then deported, a process that might take several months.
There have been incidents when the Israeli authorities at the Allenby Bridge crossing and at Ben Gurion airport have limited certain travellers' freedom to travel within Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. The Israeli authorities have not provided clear information about which categories of travellers can expect to be subject to these restrictions and about the practical effects of the restrictions.
British Foreign Office travel advice still warns of this
Entry Requirements - Visas
You do not need a visa to enter Israel. On entry, visitors are granted leave to enter (by means of a stamp in the passport) for a period of up to three months. In the past the Israeli immigration authorities have agreed to stamp landing cards, where available, and not passports, but since September 2006 they will rarely agree not to stamp your passport. If your passport is not stamped on entry and you have no other evidence of legal entry into Israel, you are likely to face problems travelling around Israel, particularly at any crossing points into the OPTs. If you work in Israel without the proper authority, you can be detained and then deported, a process that might take several months.
There have been incidents when the Israeli authorities at the Allenby Bridge crossing and at Ben Gurion airport have limited certain travellers' freedom to travel within Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. The Israeli authorities have not provided clear information about which categories of travellers can expect to be subject to these restrictions and about the practical effects of the restrictions.
Yes, you have posted this numerous times in the forum. The US State Department also says visiting Jerusalem can be "dangerous." Well, no more dangerous then driving in Manhattan. This is meant as a worse-case scenario. As in the last thread, you don't seem to take stock in the current reality (this has been checked by numerous sources through a variety of methods at multiple border-crossings, with no issue in regard to not stamping).
donnabella
Dec 7, 11, 12:49 pm
Not sure what the relevance of pariah state is.. This isn't OMNI/PR. :rolleyes: This is a practical thread about immigration issues between Israel and her neighbors.
And no idea what you're talking about with the treasury or "treasury" in Petra.. :confused:
And they have been fired for failing to comply with the OFFICIAL POLICY. That has happened in the past. Not since Israel changed the policy. Please show me RECENT EXAMPLES of this happening..
:rolleyes: Reviving an old thread to show one case. Thank you
donnabella
Dec 8, 11, 9:03 am
:rolleyes: Reviving an old thread to show one case. Thank you
No problem, anything else I can help you with?:D
alanR
Dec 8, 11, 1:32 pm
If you cross by land from Israel to Jordan there is no way you are going to avoid having evidence of a visit to Israel as even if you avoid getting stamped on entry / departure by Israel and Jordan doesn't stamp your pre-bought visa on entry you still have the problem of having your passport stamped when you leave Jordan.
If you start in Jordan (and get a nice Jordanian entry stamp on your visa) you can cross over King Hussein Bridge into Israel and return before the visa expires then you won't have evidence of a trip to Israel - assuming Israel doesn't stamp your passport.
Despite the claims of other people both Israel and Jordan DO stamp passports even if you request them not to.
For someone working in Saudi Arabia it's foolish (ie totally stupid) to risk visiting Israel, let alone Israel and Jordan in one trip as the cost of things going wrong are too high - at the very least you would have to get a new passport (which must be issued outside the ME) and you would have to get your SA visa renewed (which may be refused).
Thumper
Dec 10, 11, 6:03 pm
Despite the claims of other people both Israel and Jordan DO stamp passports even if you request them not to.
I love this thread, that won't die.
alanR, are you offering first hand experience? I am curious, as I am offering first hand experience as someone who, as recently as August 2011, worked at the Allenby crossing (on the israeli side). As a customer service, tourist relations issue, I would be interested in a description of the passport control worker who denied your direct request not to stamp your passport.
If you are more comfortable, send me the description and details (they are obviously in your passport now) so we can narrow down who needs to be retrained.
If this is not first hand knowledge but something you heard, then I can accept that our people are, in fact, following the direct orders of the the Israeli government to honor our guests requests.
joshwex90
Dec 10, 11, 6:09 pm
I love this thread, that won't die.
alanR, are you offering first hand experience? I am curious, as I am offering first hand experience as someone who, as recently as August 2011, worked at the Allenby crossing (on the israeli side). As a customer service, tourist relations issue, I would be interested in a description of the passport control worker who denied your direct request not to stamp your passport.
If you are more comfortable, send me the description and details (they are obviously in your passport now) so we can narrow down who needs to be retrained.
If this is not first hand knowledge but something you heard, then I can accept that our people are, in fact, following the direct orders of the the Israeli government to honor our guests requests.