Firstly this a wonderful website with lots of information for beginners without the need to pay excessive $$$ just to post. Thank you FlyerTalk I highly appreciate it, other websites could learn from your example.
As the topic title suggests, I write reports during my travels and have always used my phone (5MP Camera/8MP Camera) to take photographs of the flight and service. I now am looking at ideas to find a camera that would do the job alot better and improve the standard of my photographs.
I am also into photography so I am trying to decide to buy a DSLR instead of a normal pocket size Point and Shoot? I can take videos with my phone which come out in very good quality.. now the option is for taking photographs!
My budget is around ~ £400ish no more. What kind of suggestions do you think I should take into account and what would you recommend?
Genius1
Aug 22, 11, 4:37 pm
I would go for a prosumer camera, with the compactness of a compact but with the quality approaching DSLR without the need to change lenses and carry them around.
I can highly recommend the Canon PowerShot G12. For some sample photos, have a look at my HKG trip report (link in signature).
PK777
Aug 22, 11, 4:47 pm
Hi Genius1,
Thank you for your reply.
Yes the two I am looking at are Nikon or Canon. Both are front runners at the moment interms of quality and value for money.
I'll check out your trip report now and get back to you. ^
airmotive
Aug 22, 11, 4:52 pm
Your post essentially said, "I want to buy a Canon PowerShot SX30 IS" (or save a few quid for an earlier model).
(I carry several kilos of DSLR camera and lenses, AND a PowerShot clipped to the outside of my carry-on in a padded case.;) )
mamoonkay
Aug 22, 11, 4:59 pm
Hi guys,
Firstly this a wonderful website with lots of information for beginners without the need to pay excessive $$$ just to post. Thank you FlyerTalk I highly appreciate it, other websites could learn from your example.
As the topic title suggests, I write reports during my travels and have always used my phone (5MP Camera/8MP Camera) to take photographs of the flight and service. I now am looking at ideas to find a camera that would do the job alot better and improve the standard of my photographs.
I am also into photography so I am trying to decide to buy a DSLR instead of a normal pocket size Point and Shoot? I can take videos with my phone which come out in very good quality.. now the option is for taking photographs!
My budget is around ~ £400ish no more. What kind of suggestions do you think I should take into account and what would you recommend?
Thank you flyertalk.
sbm12
Aug 22, 11, 5:25 pm
As the topic title suggests, I write reports during my travels and have always used my phone (5MP Camera/8MP Camera) to take photographs of the flight and service. I now am looking at ideas to find a camera that would do the job alot better and improve the standard of my photographs. If you're just taking shots of in-flight meals and such I'm not sure that spending 400 quid on a camera is a worthwhile investment.
I am also into photography so I am trying to decide to buy a DSLR instead of a normal pocket size Point and Shoot? I'd seriously consider either just a P&S or a slightly upgraded model like the G12 versus a SLR unless you know you want the SLR flexibility. The image quality you get will improve as the sensor gets larger. The interchangeable lenses are of less value than a decent sensor.
PK777
Aug 22, 11, 5:43 pm
If you're just taking shots of in-flight meals and such I'm not sure that spending 400 quid on a camera is a worthwhile investment.
I'd seriously consider either just a P&S or a slightly upgraded model like the G12 versus a SLR unless you know you want the SLR flexibility. The image quality you get will improve as the sensor gets larger. The interchangeable lenses are of less value than a decent sensor.
Hi sbm12,
Thank you for your reply.
The camera would be used for the holiday snaps, various events and day travels with friends not just in-flight trip reports. ;) I want a good camera with all the added features of a DSLR.
This is the first time I have heard of the Canon G12 and it looks amazing. I am currently surfing Youtube and the reviews are positive. The shape is a little off putting though. I want to have a camera that takes amazing photographs, easy to take around offers a number of different modes and has a good zoom!
I think I have been looking at this all wrong. It seems the camera makers are making high end P&S without the need for it to look like a D-SLR.
What are the competitors? Its seems the other option is the Nikon P7000 or Canon S95? How about an entry D-SLR like the Nikon D3100/5100?
sbm12
Aug 22, 11, 6:03 pm
The S95 is in a different market than the G12. I wouldn't compare the two if you really want to get to that level of control of the camera functions.
And, while I can definitely appreciate that a better camera can help in some circumstances to take better photos, do not expect that the camera is all that matters. There is a rather large human quotient in that equation.
cordelli
Aug 22, 11, 7:26 pm
The only way to get the benefits of a DSLR is to buy a DSLR.
That being said, I don't think one camera is the answer, I would go for two. Get the DSLR you want when you are ready for it, but also consider one of the lower cost point and shoots for the times you don't want to carry around the DSLR. I would even recommend one of the fully waterproof models, this way even in the pouring rain you can snap some shots.
Understand I am in no way saying that an inexpensive point and shoot can in any way replace a DSLR. But there are times, probably many of them, you either don't have the need for a DSLR or can't drag one around.
PK777
Aug 22, 11, 7:50 pm
The only way to get the benefits of a DSLR is to buy a DSLR.
That being said, I don't think one camera is the answer, I would go for two. Get the DSLR you want when you are ready for it, but also consider one of the lower cost point and shoots for the times you don't want to carry around the DSLR. I would even recommend one of the fully waterproof models, this way even in the pouring rain you can snap some shots.
Understand I am in no way saying that an inexpensive point and shoot can in any way replace a DSLR. But there are times, probably many of them, you either don't have the need for a DSLR or can't drag one around.
Hi Cordelli,
Thank you for your reply.
You know what I was thinking exactly the same thing. After doing a bit of research I thought to myself how often am I going to be able to carry round that huge DSLR all day when I am out with some of my mates.. I would prefer to have a Bridge end P&S which I could carry around with me on the way to work or on my days off. Something like a Canon S95/90 or SX220/230 HS would do the job perfectly.. if anyone has any other recommendations.. let me know so I'll give them a search.
I think the only time I am going to pull out my DSLR is when I am going to attend a wedding/event/concert when I am going to fully utilise the features and get some high end quality shots in.
Also, when your on holiday, carrying around a DSLR can become quite a burden and a P&S would probably be suited better for that role. I think as I am need of both I would oft for the P&S for now and look out for a DSLR in the near future when I fully realise the need for one. How does that sound?
sbm12
Aug 22, 11, 8:54 pm
The only way to get the benefits of a DSLR is to buy a DSLR.I think that this statement deserves some qualification.
There is no doubt that the only way to get ALL the benefits of an SLR is to buy an SLR. But many of the benefits - say more manual control over exposure, aperture, and shutter speed - can be had in some of the more basic or advanced P&S cameras, depending on what you are looking to get out of it. Some of the non-DLSRs even have the larger sensor, I believe.
Carrying two cameras does give you the benefit of having both options at your disposal and I often do just that (though not lately since my small camera broke and I haven't replaced it). But that's not necessarily the best approach for someone looking to better understand photography and take better photos.
As for the comfort factor of how the camera feels in your hand, try a big box store (e.g. Best Buy or whatever the equivalent is in the UK) or similar to give a few models a try and then figure out the best vaule for acquiring the one you like.
PK777
Aug 22, 11, 10:33 pm
As for the comfort factor of how the camera feels in your hand, try a big box store (e.g. Best Buy or whatever the equivalent is in the UK) or similar to give a few models a try and then figure out the best vaule for acquiring the one you like.
We have many too for example, Currys, Comet and Tesco. All of these retailers offer a chance to try them out before you buy.
I have been looking around for some bridge-end P&S cameras and here are some I am considering/researching:
This list is a bit of apples and oranges. The Canon S95 and Nikon P300 are somewhat comparable (though, for me, the lack of RAW recording would disqualify the P300 off the bat) as are the four others, but these two groups are tough to compare head-to-head.
You should probably make up your mind as to what are your key criteria first. If you want a wide zoom range, you probably want to go superzoom. If you appreciate compactness, good low light shooting, and superior image quality, you are probably better off with a with a high-end compact P&S (don't get me wrong, the superzooms produce very good quality under good conditions). No matter which group you go for, I would recommend getting a camera that has a RAW recording option as RAW gives you much more editing headroom.
I don't know the superzooms well enough to give any specific recommendations. Your group of four seems reasonable enough, though.
If you wish to go more to the compact direction, you should take a look at the Canon S95 and also the Panasonic Lumix LX-5. Slightly larger but with even more control are e.g. the Canon G12 and the Nikon P7000.
In my experience (and your mileage may certainly vary) a good wide angle is far more important in most situtations than extreme telephoto range. In this is coming from someone who owns a Nikkor 80-400 mm zoom...
Main primary camera is a Nikon D300 DSLR with a vertical grip. It is a fantastic camera, but it is something of a monster size and weight wise (4 pounds with a medium lens). I also carry a Canon S90 (an older version of the S95) as a secondary camera.
Cheers,
T.
PK777
Aug 23, 11, 10:47 am
Hi Thalassa,
Thank you for your reply and input. The search for the perfect bridge end P&S become even harder.
Yes, the list above is a bit of a mix. The Nikon and S95 are indeed in a group of their own, I believe they are more pro-digital, whereas the other four are more travel zoom cameras. The two groups can not be compared because they both offer different things.
As you might have read in my first post, I am looking at taking the camera everywhere on a daily basis and I think the size and weight of carrying such a huge piece of equipment (DSLR) would put me off taking it with me if I am out and about in town. The only time I would consider taking a DSLR is when I am attending an event/concert/wedding where I can really use all the features of the DSLR.
When I am going on holiday, a compact but with features (i.e. manual control etc) would prove to be more benefical. I was watching several Youtube just to get an impression of what to get.
The Canon G12 (apart from the shape looks pretty amazing) but the S95 seems to almost do the same thing if not better. Then I compared the S95 to the SX230/220 (even though the this camera does not fall into the same group as the G12/S95) it still looks a pretty amazing camera!
I need to do some research on the Nikon P7000 and the Lumix DMC-LX5 I have not looked into those models yet.
Jay71
Aug 23, 11, 12:46 pm
My camera options consist of the following: Canon G7, Nikon D5000, and cell phone (HTC Desire). I'm no photo expert by any means; just someone who likes to document our travels but also appreciates nice pictures.
We use the G7 for the bulk of our travel. Although bulky for a compact, I still think its relatively pocketable for easy access for a random shot and has many of the features/functions I'd be looking for in a DSLR. The main issue we find is shutter lag.
Obviously the D5000 as with any DSLR is that it's bulky. While I generally prefer to use the D5000 to take pictures, I find that that I need to either hang it off my neck or be in situations where I can just have it out & readily accessible to best utilize it. Depending on the travelling situation, that's not necessarily what I want to do or is the case. Potentially having to carry multiple lens is a bit of a pain too.
And of course of the odd not that important picture (or video) which I just want to share with someone, the camera on the phone serves me just fine, particularly in situations where I don't remember to bring the G7.
dankwonjr
Aug 23, 11, 1:05 pm
Ive always recommended the Panasonic DMC - LX5 if youre looking for a high quality pocket camera.
Super sharp and fast lens made my Leica. The Leica version of the exact camera is nearly double
$439 on Amazon as of today.
jacknyoc
Aug 23, 11, 1:18 pm
i've been dealing with the same question for over a year...something to supplement and take the place of my Nikon D200 kit on days when I don't want to carry it around but want good shots.
I went with the Canon S95 late last year...although a long-time Nikon dslr and Lumix p&s guy...and can only give the S95 a huge thumbs up.
I just got back from a few days of city walking and shooting with both...shot more with the S 95; got as good as and often times better results with the S 95; reminded me once again that I could easily do a full day here and a full day there with just the S 95 and be perfectly happy. Not having the long zoom actually is helpful to me and forces me to think more about the shot.
anyway, + 1 + for the S 95...
good luck
japaik
Aug 23, 11, 1:56 pm
another vote for the s95 - or the s100 or whatever ends up replacing it soon.
PK777
Aug 23, 11, 5:17 pm
i've been dealing with the same question for over a year...something to supplement and take the place of my Nikon D200 kit on days when I don't want to carry it around but want good shots.
I went with the Canon S95 late last year...although a long-time Nikon dslr and Lumix p&s guy...and can only give the S95 a huge thumbs up.
I just got back from a few days of city walking and shooting with both...shot more with the S 95; got as good as and often times better results with the S 95; reminded me once again that I could easily do a full day here and a full day there with just the S 95 and be perfectly happy. Not having the long zoom actually is helpful to me and forces me to think more about the shot.
anyway, + 1 + for the S 95...
good luck
Thank you jacknyoc for your reply.
Yes, I am looking into the S95 it def seems to be very popular at the moment. Just over £300 in the UK I might consider it, it is the same price of a DSLR Entry Level but I do not feel I need a DSLR at the moment so should not really compare it to that. The Canon S95 def seems to be a real contender in the high-spec portable camera range.
I am looking at the S95 as well as the Canon G12 and the X230HS. Also the Nikon P300 and P7000 and the Panasonic Lumix LX5? It is proving to be quite hard!
PK777
Aug 23, 11, 8:49 pm
Ok guys it looks like im leaning towards one of the following:
I have watched a number of Youtube videos and read a number of review websites and all three are top in their particular groups.
Any one of these cameras I can see going with me everywhere without a thought. They all offer similiar results just some better than others. Any advice?
rkkwan
Aug 23, 11, 8:58 pm
Ok guys it looks like im leaning towards one of the following:
I have watched a number of Youtube videos and read a number of review websites and all three are top in their particular groups.
Any one of these cameras I can see going with me everywhere without a thought. They all offer similiar results just some better than others. Any advice?
Even though the S95 and SX230 HS are similarly sized and priced, the two are quite different. The S95 has a significantly larger sensor and can save file in RAW. The larger sensor means lower noise in high ISO setting. RAW caters to those who like to do post-processing on computer. On the other hand, the SX230 HS has a much wider zoom range.
The Panasonic LX5, while a bit larger than the Canons, its features and function are quite similar to the S95. In fact, its predecessor LX3 was so successful and popular that Canon released the S90 (predecessor to S95) to compete with it, though in a smaller package.
PK777
Aug 23, 11, 9:08 pm
Thank you rkkwan for your reply.
Yes those are some of the features I am comparing to see which one tops them all. I think the S95 comes up on top of both the SX230 and the LX5 overall. Alot of people are also ditching their G12 to go for the S95!!
Will I need to buy a software package to edit my photos that are in RAW format? Or can I use Live Photo Gallery?
rkkwan
Aug 23, 11, 9:11 pm
Thank you rkkwan for your reply.
Yes those are some of the features I am comparing to see which one tops them all. I think the S95 comes up on top of both the SX230 and the LX5 overall. Alot of people are also ditching their G12 to go for the S95!!
Will I need to buy software package to edit my photos that are in RAW format? Or can I use Live Photo Gallery?
G12 and the S95 have similar tech specs. Just in different packaging. Some will prefer the G's ergonomics, while others will prefer the S's smaller size.
You can use Canon's software that comes with the camera, or a number of 3rd party software to process the RAW files. I believe Live Photo Gallery can show Canon's RAW files, but not sure if you can process them.
PK777
Aug 24, 11, 8:50 am
G12 and the S95 have similar tech specs. Just in different packaging. Some will prefer the G's ergonomics, while others will prefer the S's smaller size.
You can use Canon's software that comes with the camera, or a number of 3rd party software to process the RAW files. I believe Live Photo Gallery can show Canon's RAW files, but not sure if you can process them.
Thank you rkkwan. The search continues for the ideal bridge-end P&S! :D
PK777
Aug 24, 11, 6:53 pm
It looks like it is going to be either the Canon S95 or the Canon SX230 HS. I had a look at the prices the S93 is £320 compared to the SX230 which is £199. That's a huge difference of just over £100. Is the extra £££ worth it? I was quite suprised to see such a huge difference! Now I wonder if I really want to pay the excess if it is only going to slightly improve my images? What do you think?
Also sorry to sound naive, but this is actually the first time I have seen many people make a fuss about shooting in RAW, does it take more room to store than JPEG. Also I have used Live Gallery to edit my photos how much more better will my pictures get if I use Canon own software?
I also like the scene setting in the Canon's for example, Toy Camera, Fish-Eye, Minature etc. They look really useful and fun to use! ^
Thalassa
Aug 25, 11, 11:46 am
It looks like it is going to be either the Canon S95 or the Canon SX230 HS. I had a look at the prices the S93 is £320 compared to the SX230 which is £199. That's a huge difference of just over £100. Is the extra £££ worth it? I was quite suprised to see such a huge difference! Now I wonder if I really want to pay the excess if it is only going to slightly improve my images? What do you think?
Also sorry to sound naive, but this is actually the first time I have seen many people make a fuss about shooting in RAW, does it take more room to store than JPEG. Also I have used Live Gallery to edit my photos how much more better will my pictures get if I use Canon own software?
I also like the scene setting in the Canon's for example, Toy Camera, Fish-Eye, Minature etc. They look really useful and fun to use! ^
Whether the S95 is worth the extra price depends on your needs and preferences. I would take the S95 over the SX230 but I cannot really say whether you should do the same. With these two cameras you are comparing relatively different feature sets and strengths.
Your comment about RAW is not naive. I don't know the exact numbers but I'd guess more than 99% of all the digital photos in the world are taken as JPEG. RAW is something that professional photographers and enthusiasts/serious hobbyists use. RAW does take more storage space, often by a factor of 2-3.
I cannot comment on any Canon software, but processing RAW images with a package like Adobe Lightroom (or Apple Aperture) does give a lot of control over how the image looks.
At the risk of oversimplifying, I'd say that the SX230 is the better choice if you want to take some easy, nice, fun and good quality photographs and share them with your friends (or readers in the case of trip reports). If you take an interest in the act of photography and crafting the resulting photos and are willing to spend time on the process, then the S95 might be the better choice.
And, taking really rather a leap here, based on your description of your use case and intended use of the camera, I'd guess that you might be happier with the SX230. But this is speculation on my part.
Cheers,
T.
PK777
Aug 27, 11, 1:53 pm
Hi T,
Thank you for your reply.
Ive been having a look in great deal into travel zoom/pro digital cameras and I think at the moment I shall buy the SX230 HS. I think it does the job perfectly for me at the moment.
But I def want to get a high spec camera to use when I have the time and have the extra £££ to do some serious photography.
Thank you all for your help... Big ^ to all those that contributed! :D