Argentina - Domestic and International Flight Cancellations

Due to the continuing volcanic eruption and the spreading of the ash cloud, many domestic flights have been canceled and international service to EZE has also been affected.

Cancelaciones de vuelos. La Autoridad Nacional de Aviación Civil ordenó el cierre de los aeropuertos de Bariloche, Neuquén, San Martín de los Andes, Viedma, Comodoro Rivadavia, y Puerto Madryn.

Por su parte, la secretaría de Transporte de la Nación organizó un "comité de crisis" que informará cada dos horas sobre el estado de los aeropuertos, las cancelaciones de vuelos y el suministro de combustible para las aeronaves".

Aerolíneas Argentina impuso un cronograma de suspensión de vuelos hasta el domingo para viajes desde Buenos Aires a Bariloche, Chapelco, Esquel, y hasta el jueves para los destinos de Trelew, Neuquén, Viedma, Río Gallegos, El Calafate, Ushuaia, Río Grande, Comodoro Rivadavia, Bahía Blanca, Santa Rosa y San Rafael.

Asimismo, la empresa informó hoy que "las operaciones nocturnas a Santiago de Chile y Mendoza también serán suspendidas hasta el jueves 9 inclusive".

La compañía explicó que "los pasajeros afectados por estos vuelos podrán dejar sus pasajes abiertos por un año de la fecha de emisión pudiendo actualizarlos sin penalidad alguna".

Además, la empresa Lan Argentina informó sobre la cancelación de diez vuelos a las ciudades de Bariloche, Neuquén, Bahía Blanca, Comodoro Rivadavia y Mendoza. Las aerolíneas Delta, American, GOL, TAM y United suspendieron también sus servicios de hoy y mañana desde Ezeiza hacia Atlanta, Miami, Santiago de Chile, Río de Janeiro y San Francisco.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1379323-bariloche-ya-no-caen-cenizas-volcanicas-pero-aun-sigue-el-estado-de-emergencia (en castellano)

More here (http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/69396/aeroparque-ezeiza-flights-cancelled-due-to-ash-cloud)...in English.

What a mess.... the weather folks are saying that the ash is already over Buenos Aires, but that if anything will be noted by folks on the ground, it will be later this evening. The situation is of course different for aircraft operations, as there seems to be quite a bit of dust around 8000-10000 meters, hence all the flights being killed.

Apparently, things should get back to normal in about 48-72 hours provided the volcano does not act up again.

http://www.emol.com/especiales/2011/fotoshd/erupcion-volcan/

Some spectacular pics from El Mercurio - including the lightning storms that are created in the volcanic cloud.

Must admit I am surprised to see that the BA 244 finally departed 2.5 hours late so obviously not a danger to all aircraft.
Getting very gloomy here now with a definite smell in the air.

MIA-EZE

AA 909 8:30PM cancelled

AR 1303 10:00AM Now 4:30P

LAN 4521 9:00PM from 06/06 Departed 2:54PM

I'm really surprised that the US carriers didn't fly their planes out of EZE last night.

http://www.lan.com/es_ar/sitio_personas/noticias/noticias/lan-informa-estado-de-sus-vuelos-desde-argentina

LAN's latest schedule update from late this AM (above) - AR site

http://www.lan.com/es_cl/sitio_personas/noticias/noticias/lan-restablece-sus-operaciones-hacia-y-desde-argentina

LAN's recent release (CL site) re: re-establishment of services

Flights from the US to EZE all seem to be back on schedule tonight for arrival tomorrow morning (Wednesday).

Flights from the US to EZE all seem to be back on schedule tonight for arrival tomorrow morning (Wednesday).

Thanks for providing that news after the flights are airborne :D

Thanks for providing that news after the flights are airborne :DThere's enough time for them to divert though!

http://www.lan.com/es_cl/sitio_personas/noticias/lan-informa-el-estado-de-sus-operaciones-8junio-2310h

The next round from LAN published. Tomorrow isn't going to be pretty.

I dont know if this is an indicator of how flight operations will be affected, but this morning the car we left oustide of the garage was covered with ashes..... and in the city, Palermo seems to have been 'hit' quite hard......

I dont know if this is an indicator of how flight operations will be affected, but this morning the car we left oustide of the garage was covered with ashes..... and in the city, Palermo seems to have been 'hit' quite hard......

Since invisible ash clouds have been known to kill jet engines, I can't imagine that visible ash is a very good sign.

Yes the BA flight from London along with a few other long hauls were diverted to Brazil today.
Haven't noticed any ash fall here today I have to say compared to the pictures I've seen of Buenos Aires.

Extensive cancellations today (Thursday) through tomorrow at AEP and EZE.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1380135-la-nube-de-cenizas-regresa-hoy-a-la-ciudad (en castellano)

For current airport/flight status throughout Argentina, consult http://www.aa2000.com.ar

Winds are expected to change tomorrow (Friday) evening to allow flights at AEP and EZE to resume.

http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/Volvio-Buenos-Aires-volcanica-suspenden_0_496150561.html (en castellano)

All AA flights flights from MIA, DFW and JFK to EZE were cancelled yesterday. And today a massive amounts of flight have been cancelled from both EZE and AEP. But I noticed that this evenings AA flights back to the States are all still scheduled, though all are listed as delayed.

So, my question is: if the flights were cancelled coming south, what planes do they have to fly back north? I realize I may be missing something here, but I'm just curious. I fly out tomorrow evening (EZE-JFK) and I'm getting a little nervous.

Thanks in advance!

All AA flights flights from MIA, DFW and JFK to EZE were cancelled yesterday. And today a massive amounts of flight have been cancelled from both EZE and AEP. But I noticed that this evenings AA flights back to the States are all still scheduled, though all are listed as delayed.

So, my question is: if the flights were cancelled coming south, what planes do they have to fly back north? I realize I may be missing something here, but I'm just curious. I fly out tomorrow evening (EZE-JFK) and I'm getting a little nervous.

Thanks in advance!

Some may have been diverted and sitting elsewhere in South America. Also, some might be coming right down now - since these planes usually sit 8 to 10 hours, if there are fresh crews available, if a plane left North America this AM and gets there this eve, the plane can turn in 90 minutes.

C5N is reporting that a Delta flight has just landed in EZE..... lets hope things get back to normal asap..... ^

Hubby just told me, "You sure know how to plan things" in reference to our flight out of EZE on Wednesday, the only day this week that UA's flight was not canceled. Hopefully, this makes up for my poor planning in flying us into Tokyo on March 10, the day before the earthquake.

I'm flying to EZE to JFK Sunday night, my problems are more complex becuase I have to get to EZE first, we live 500 miles north in Corrientes. I'm going to try flying Aerolineas tomorrow afternoon, I suspect they'll be a disaster for days and days but hopefully they'll get me to the capital by Sunday night.

EZE and AEP resumed operations at 6 PM today (Friday). Many international flights into both airports are expected to arrive on schedule tomorrow (Saturday).

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1380484-sin-vuelos-en-aeroparque-y-ezeiza-por-la-nube-de-cenizas

It may take a while to get this all sorted out. Most of AA's Friday night flights from BsAs back to the States gor pushed back to Saturday afternoon. My Saturday evening flight, AA956 got pushed back to Sunday morning at 2am. It's now 1:15am Saturday morning here in BsAs and I can hear the flights departing from Aeroparque, which is a little unusual. Fun times....

UA847 flew IAD->EZE last night with only a ~15 minute delay. And that was due to a late plane coming into IAD. I'm in IAD now waiting for tonight's flight, and all signs are pointing to an on-time departure. The only problem is that C is overbooked due to people waiting to fly for a few days, so I probably won't get an upgrade :(

Just make sure y'all clean this mess up by next week at this time. Mmmkay? Thank you.

Well it's a lovely sunny day here and the wind - on the ground, is coming from a warmer direction than the last few days.
I believe the volcano is still pretty active although not throwing out as much ash as it was at first. Sooooo...it's looking good, for the next few days at least.

Local TV is reporting that flight operations are now back to normal.....

Local TV is reporting that flight operations are now back to normal.....

No doubt, you are watching this on Cronica, music and all. So Dramatic!

Local TV is reporting that flight operations are now back to normal.....
But Qantas has had to cancel trans-tasman service between Oz and NZ because the ash cloud reached there a couple of days ago ... :eek:

Not sure what it's related to, but many of the North American flights appear to have been rescheduled 30-75 minutes earlier at the last minute today... I discovered only because I had a friend heading to the Delta flight tonight.

Vuelo Destino Hora Estima Partida T* Estado
DL 110 Atlanta 12/06 20:30 20:00 A Estima
UA 846 San Francisco > Washington 12/06 21:00 20:00 A Estima
CO 52 Houston 12/06 21:35 21:05 A Estima
AA 908 Miami 12/06 22:30 21:15 A Estima

Light volcanic ash expected starting @22:00 tonight (Sunday): http://mobile.plane-mad.com/airport-weather/argentina/buenos-aires-ezeiza-ministro-pistarini-eze-saez.html

Ash is back at EZE and AEP. Expect cancellations through whenever ...

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1380997-se-agrava-la-situacion-en-villa-la-angostura-por-el-avance-de-la-nube-volcanica

Ash is back at EZE and AEP. Expect cancellations through whenever ...

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1380997-se-agrava-la-situacion-en-villa-la-angostura-por-el-avance-de-la-nube-volcanica

Darn !!!! :mad: :td:

I have spoof juice samples that need to fly up to the States for my wine events and they have to get their butts up there !!!!! :mad: :td:

Darn !!!! :mad: :td:

I have spoof juice samples that need to fly up to the States for my wine events and they have to get their butts up there !!!!! :mad: :td:

I was just out with the dogs and couldn't believe what I was seeing against the glare of the light was the ash falling again. Until I saw this I thought the neighbour was cleaning out his parrilla.

I was on AA 956 last night, we took off shortly before EZE closed. The pilot did something I've never seen before in an airliner, muchless a triple 7, we flew at 6,000 feet for 300-350 miles before he climbed up to a normal cruising altitude. They explained why: in order to stay below the ash cloud. I bet they burned through a ton of fuel. It was cool to fly across all of Bs. As. at that altitude, but there wasn't much to see once we were north of Tigre.

When I got to the AC at JFK shortly after 6 they were just announcing that they still didn't know when AA 955 would be leaving, it was originally scheduled to leave for EZE at 10 pm the night before. It finally left JFK around 8:15, more than 10 hours late. I guess EZE is open again for now.

what a mess, i'm wondering how I'm going to get home on Friday. I don't have a visa so I can't enter Brazil. Maybe I should fly to Santiago, and then from there take LAN to Cordoba, and buses for the last few hundred miles.

Darn !!!! :mad: :td:

I have spoof juice samples that need to fly up to the States for my wine events and they have to get their butts up there !!!!! :mad: :td:

I feel for you buddy, that must be terribly frustrating. Depending on how many cases you need to send maybe you should hire a truck or load up your SUV and take the wine to Santiago, then send it via DHL or Fedex from there while you hop on a jet and fly north.

what a mess, i'm wondering how I'm going to get home on Friday. I don't have a visa so I can't enter Brazil. Maybe I should fly to Santiago, and then from there take LAN to Cordoba, and buses for the last few hundred miles.

COR isn't always open during these closures, and neither are routes to GRU at times.

Given the periodic nature of the closures, if you can't get to EZE, if AA would rebook you via SCL, you could probably get to EZE/AEP within 24 hours if things are only closed for a day or so. You could even end up on my flight, which will necessarily have to depart on time :)

Conditions have worsened today (Monday). Both EZE and AEP are closed, and will remain so at least until tomorrow (Tuesday) evening 18:00 hrs.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1381196-la-nube-de-cenizas-genera-cancelaciones-de-vuelos-en-ezeiza-y-aeroparque
http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/titulo_0_498550199.html

At 10 am Tuesday morning there should be more information as to when flights might be resumed from AEP and EZE.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1381426-ezeiza-y-aeroparque-otra-vez-paralizados-por-la-nube-de-cenizas

I feel for you buddy, that must be terribly frustrating. Depending on how many cases you need to send maybe you should hire a truck or load up your SUV and take the wine to Santiago, then send it via DHL or Fedex from there while you hop on a jet and fly north.

Thanks... the good news is that my logistics provider just confirmed that my stuff was able to jet out of Ezeiza during one of the operational windows that opened during this mess, so this will mean that my wines will be up in the States on time. Question that remains is if I will be able to get my rear end up there... I fly out this Sunda 6/19 and while this is still a few days out, Im still not too confident..... :(

Folks... are the US airlines posting some sort of updated information on the status of their EZE operations on their websites...?

I was on AA 956 last night, we took off shortly before EZE closed. The pilot did something I've never seen before in an airliner, muchless a triple 7, we flew at 6,000 feet for 300-350 miles before he climbed up to a normal cruising altitude. They explained why: in order to stay below the ash cloud. I bet they burned through a ton of fuel. It was cool to fly across all of Bs. As. at that altitude, but there wasn't much to see once we were north of Tigre.

When I got to the AC at JFK shortly after 6 they were just announcing that they still didn't know when AA 955 would be leaving, it was originally scheduled to leave for EZE at 10 pm the night before. It finally left JFK around 8:15, more than 10 hours late. I guess EZE is open again for now.

what a mess, i'm wondering how I'm going to get home on Friday. I don't have a visa so I can't enter Brazil. Maybe I should fly to Santiago, and then from there take LAN to Cordoba, and buses for the last few hundred miles.

Cool experience... ^ This is good news for me, as it give me a little more hope that I will have a chance to depart EZE, even if at a low altitude. The DFW flight Im on is one of the earlier night flights.... so I will pray that the wine and the volcanic Gods cut me some slack.... :p :D

Cool experience... ^ This is good news for me, as it give me a little more hope that I will have a chance to depart EZE, even if at a low altitude. The DFW flight Im on is one of the earlier night flights.... so I will pray that the wine and the volcanic Gods cut me some slack.... :p :D

It seems to be a "floating" (so to speak) series of patterns - for instance, today, there's nothing flying until the afternoon, even though the earlier forecast was better. LAN seems to be refreshing its website once or twice a day with specific cancellations (and you can see the patterns). My next inbound is from SCL so I'm hoping that even with issues, one way or the other I'll be able to get over (as I won't be awaiting an inbound from North America).

Local cable news networks are saying that they are now cleaning up the runways and that normal flight operations are scheduled to begin at approx 1430-1500hs..... Lets keep our fingers crossed that the darned mountain on the wrong side of the Andes goes to sleep.... :rolleyes:

BREAKING NEWS - LAN just announced that all flight operations are once again cancelled until 1730hs....

:mad: :td: :mad: :td: :mad: :td:

Aerolineas Argentinas has followed suit... all flights killed until 1800hs...... :mad: :mad: :mad:

Ive made this thread a sticky until this mess is over.... :rolleyes:

BREAKING NEWS - LAN just announced that all flight operations are once again cancelled until 1730hs....

:mad: :td: :mad: :td: :mad: :td:By following www.aa2000.com.ar it appears that LAN have been cancelling their flights on a rolling basis until now, rather than preemptively cancelling.

Folks... are the US airlines posting some sort of updated information on the status of their EZE operations on their websites...?I can find any info on the UA or AA web sites.

Cool experience... ^ This is good news for me, as it give me a little more hope that I will have a chance to depart EZE, even if at a low altitude. The DFW flight Im on is one of the earlier night flights.... so I will pray that the wine and the volcanic Gods cut me some slack.... :p :DI think that is highly unlikely to occur again. EZE was still open when that flight departed (many airlines had tried to move up their departure times to avoid the arrival of the ash cloud, but seemed to be unable to take off in time - I suspect that they couldn't get a sufficient number of passengers through checkin/security/immigration in time).

The biggest problem is that with the airport closures, flights from the US won't take off in the evening if EZE is not open, so there will no aircraft available for the evening departures. Diversion (probably to GRU/GIG) is probably more costly than cancelling flights if they cannot land in Argentina. Not to mention the US citizens require a visa in advance to enter Brazil.

Good point on the US departures.... this means I need to go to the source of hope... which is US departure flight information. Following your logic, if the birds are already down in EZE, chances are the airlines will do almost all it takes to get them back to North America... guess they lose less $$$ with the metal up there rather than sitting down here in EZE.... :p

I am flying on LAN from Lima to Buenos Aires on June 21 then onto Salta on June 22. How can I get reasonable estimates of how much longer the volanic ash is likely to cause cancellations? Is there some website to check out (LAN's website is only useful for the same day travel)? It's already over a week since the eruption and I wasn't worried at first, but now I am.

I too am scheduled to fly LIM-EZE, but on this Friday the 17th.

So I would also be interested in any reliable source of info re the volcano's effects on air travel.

I am flying on LAN from Lima to Buenos Aires on June 21 then onto Salta on June 22. How can I get reasonable estimates of how much longer the volanic ash is likely to cause cancellations? Is there some website to check out (LAN's website is only useful for the same day travel)? It's already over a week since the eruption and I wasn't worried at first, but now I am.

I have been searching around but can't find any graphs which would give some idea of what's going on.
Weather charts of the area might offer some indication of the drift of the ash going by the wind direction but I think it's all guess work at the moment.
Until the volcano stops being as active as it is then taking it day by day seems to be the only way to go.

I am flying on LAN from Lima to Buenos Aires on June 21 then onto Salta on June 22. How can I get reasonable estimates of how much longer the volanic ash is likely to cause cancellations? Is there some website to check out (LAN's website is only useful for the same day travel)? It's already over a week since the eruption and I wasn't worried at first, but now I am.

I'd ask the angry gods, who are going to give you as good of an answer as anyone at this point.

I'd ask the angry gods, who are going to give you as good of an answer as anyone at this point.
Appease the volcano god. More human sacrifices needed, extra virgin preferred. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppeaseTheVolcanoGod

AA just posted this notice: http://www.aa.com/viewPromotionDetails.do?fN=001_travelNotices.xml&_locale=en_US.

Basically, anyone with tickets bought by 6/14 can exchange them for any other tickets that depart before 6/30 with no change fees.

Sharon, I'm sorry your travel plans might be disrupted, mine are in the middle of being disrupted becuase of the volcano;) Nobody can predict what the volcano will do or where the wind will be blowing the ashes a day or two ahead, we all just have to take things as they come and try to make the best of the situation. I could be stuck 7000 miles from my family for a while, but things could clear up and I might be back on on Saturday. No way to know until it happens:cool:

American Airlines killed yesterday's DFW flight down... not sure what happened to their JFK and MIA flights but Im guessing they followed the same fate... :(

American Airlines killed yesterday's DFW flight down... not sure what happened to their JFK and MIA flights but Im guessing they followed the same fate... :(Nope! AA900 to Miami has taken off; AA956 to NYC leaves at 23:15, AA908 to Miami leaves at 23:59 ... Flights from the US this evening are mostly scheduled to depart shortly.

Tonight's flights down, yes (except for DFW, which doesn't even appear in the timetable for tonight - it is a daily service isn't it?).

Last nights flights down were all canceled though.

The night before, on the other hand, they postponed until the next morning, planning to operate as day flights. Three ended up in SCL, and the other in LIM. The three in SCL waited until tonight to get to EZE (all getting in between 9 and 10 pm) and seem to be operating JFK and MIA services for tonight's returns. The one stuck in LIM hasn't gotten in yet, and will, I imagine, be used for something tomorrow.

Nope! AA900 to Miami has taken off; AA956 to NYC leaves at 23:15, AA908 to Miami leaves at 23:59 ... Flights from the US this evening are mostly scheduled to depart shortly.

Excellent !! Cant recall last time I was soo happy to have been wrong !!! ^ :D

More good news.... or so it would seem.

Clarin is reporting that Aerolineas is sending out various international flights out of EZE as I type this... perhaps things are looking to take a turn for the better...?

http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/vuelos-cenizas-volcan_0_499150281.html

More good news.... or so it would seem.

Clarin is reporting that Aerolineas is sending out various international flights out of EZE as I type this... perhaps things are looking to take a turn for the better...?

http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/vuelos-cenizas-volcan_0_499150281.html

LAN is sending the madrugada flight from LIM. Unfortunately, I think it is a day-by-day situation. At this rate, we might both be involuntarily stuck @ EZE at the same time. (I hope not. You need to say prayers for the elimination of Las Cenizas De Los Pecadores Argentinos.)

Doode... you have your Geography wrong... la ceniza es de los hermanos Chilenos, no de los Argentos....

Doode... you have your Geography wrong... la ceniza es de los hermanos Chilenos, no de los Argentos....

I have it all right, as the efficient Chilenos have sent it (almost) all your way. In any event, if I could get a full refund, I'd probably take it now. But I can't.

More good news.... or so it would seem.

Clarin is reporting that Aerolineas is sending out various international flights out of EZE as I type this... perhaps things are looking to take a turn for the better...?...Only if you consider flying Aerolineas to be "better" :D

I suppose this years wines will erupt on the palate with lingering ashy notes ;)

More good news....

More bad news.....the experts say that there will be no let up in the volcanic eruptions in fact they say and I quote "Experts monitoring the Puyehue volcano believe its eruption is likely to grow more violent in the coming days."

More bad news.....the experts say that there will be no let up in the volcanic eruptions in fact they say and I quote "Experts monitoring the Puyehue volcano believe its eruption is likely to grow more violent in the coming days."

Yes, I saw this report also.... the current rain is supposed to be good for air operations... AEP seemed to be busy today when I zipped past the runway on Lugones on my way to the shop.

I guess its anybody's guess if I will be able to fly out on Sunday.... I guess that Saturday afternoon I will already know my fate as AA will tell me if their DFW flight does not come down..... :eek:

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I guess its anybody's guess if I will be able to fly out on Sunday.... I guess that Saturday afternoon I will already know my fate as AA will tell me if their DFW flight does not come down..... :eek:You could always get re-routed through MIA and arrive a couple of hours later in DFW.

You could always get re-routed through MIA and arrive a couple of hours later in DFW.

Yes, although Im also considering flying up on Saturday instead of Sunday, as the latest Ive heard on the news says that the Volcano is expected to act-up again on Sunday.

Have you been seeing the MIA flights coming down these past few days...??

Yes, although Im also considering flying up on Saturday instead of Sunday, as the latest Ive heard on the news says that the Volcano is expected to act-up again on Sunday.

Have you been seeing the MIA flights coming down these past few days...??The DFW flight is back.

OK.... but where is your detailed and updated report on the status of the JFK and the MIA flights....? :rolleyes:

:p :D

OK.... but where is your detailed and updated report on the status of the JFK and the MIA flights....? :rolleyes:

:p :DSigh!
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL900
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL908
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL956
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL996

:mad::rolleyes::D

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL900
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL908
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL956
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL996


I will choose to ignore the smirky remark... :p :D ^ ^

note to self: (credit 1 bottle of Spoof Juice to the kiwi that drinks!!)

I will choose to ignore the smirky remark... :p :D ^ ^



Are you enjoying a pleasant glass of 2006 D.V Catena in the lounge about now? Or, perhaps a refreshing fresh raspberry juice with Absolut Mandrin and fizzy water, as you await for your flight? Perhaps you want to take a final sip of those Roederer bubbles you never quite finished from earlier?

(Sorry for the mental lapse. I must have confused what I am currently enjoying in the Salon VIP @SCL on a flight TO Argentina with the bounty that you have over there.)

Are you enjoying a pleasant glass of 2006 D.V Catena in the lounge about now? Or, perhaps a refreshing fresh raspberry juice with Absolut Mandrin and fizzy water, as you await for your flight? Perhaps you want to take a final sip of those Roederer bubbles you never quite finished from earlier?

(Sorry for the mental lapse. I must have confused what I am currently enjoying in the Salon VIP @SCL on a flight TO Argentina with the bounty that you have over there.)

In addition for you already noted mistake, your calendar is off... as Im scheduled to enjoy the premium AA cattle class hospitality not today, but tomorrow... :p

In addition for you already noted mistake, your calendar is off... as Im scheduled to enjoy the premium AA cattle class hospitality not today, but tomorrow... :p

Wave when you see me land. AEP at about 2100. Fear not, if the ashes cooperate and stay away, I will be enjoying the opulent splendor of EZE in just a few short days.

The DFW flight is running late.... Im still not 100% worry free.... :( :eek:

OK.... so the DFW flight is already running 2 hours late... this flight is about an 11 hour issue... how much longer till the crew goes illegal... and if that happens, what are the chances AA can get a replacement crew fast enough to get this bird down to EZE..???!!!!!

Im starting to freak out !!!!! :mad: :eek: :mad: :eek: :td: :mad: :eek: :td:

OK.... so the DFW flight is already running 2 hours late... this flight is about an 11 hour issue... how much longer till the crew goes illegal... and if that happens, what are the chances AA can get a replacement crew fast enough to get this bird down to EZE..???!!!!!

Im starting to freak out !!!!! :mad: :eek: :mad: :eek: :td: :mad: :eek: :td:Tranquilo chico! There's still space tomorrow on EZE-MIA-DFW (900/541, 900/381, or 900/125). N.B. most of the connections via JFK leave from LGA or EWR ...

The crew should be fine, since they won't have worked another flight today.

Kiwi.... Im still not gonna be tranquilo until 997 leaves Dallas.... I wonder if this is ash related or perhaps there is a mechanical...?

Just got another delay notification...... :eek:

John, did both the MIA flights of this evening come down to EZE and has the JFK flight also departed...?

Just got another delay notification...... :eek:

John, did both the MIA flights of this evening come down to EZE and has the JFK flight also departed...?

Both MIA flights have departed 30 minutes late. The JFK also departed just 20 mins late.

Good... this gives me three reroute options.... Im going to hit the sack..... :D ^

Was the weather particularly nasty here earlier tonight? My inbound plane was late, then we had a mechanical, and then we finally got here about 1015.

Just got another delay notification...... :eek:

John, did both the MIA flights of this evening come down to EZE and has the JFK flight also departed...?AA909 left MIA. AA955 just left JFK.

AA997 from DFW just left the gate at 10:21 CDT
AA943 left MIA (3 hrs delayed) at 02:17 EDT

SO ALL 4 AA FLIGHTS ARE ENROUTE TONIGHT!

Was the weather particularly nasty here earlier tonight? My inbound plane was late, then we had a mechanical, and then we finally got here about 1015.

Very heavy thundery showers earlier where I am.....I imagine it was the same at EZE.

Very heavy thundery showers earlier where I am.....I imagine it was the same at EZE.Wind is coming from N/E - if that keeps up the ash cloud shouldn't be a problem:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/SAEZ.html

Very heavy thundery showers earlier where I am.....I imagine it was the same at EZE.

I was at AEP. But now, it is "I can't sleep through this" weather in the city. I am waiting for the power to go out. Not that I hope it does.

Very heavy thundery showers earlier where I am.....I imagine it was the same at EZE.

Indeed... rained cats, dogs & mice here at around 3AM.... :eek:

AA909 left MIA. AA955 just left JFK.

AA997 from DFW just left the gate at 10:21 CDT
AA943 left MIA (3 hrs delayed) at 02:17 EDT

SO ALL 4 AA FLIGHTS ARE ENROUTE TONIGHT!

Gracias John !!!! ^

AA943 left MIA (3 hrs delayed) at 02:17 EDT
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Strange....I wonder if that turned back after leaving the gate? Flightstats were showing it as departing 30 minutes late last time I looked.

Strange....I wonder if that turned back after leaving the gate? Flightstats were showing it as departing 30 minutes late last time I looked.There were rolling delays presumably due to some mechanical issue. I always use Flightaware which is probably the best site for tracking flights in US airspace in realtime.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL943

Gracias John !!!! ^Bon voyage. Remember to bring some lightweight clothes ... predicted high for DFW on Sunday/Monday is around ... 100F.

Gracias John.... my flight is listed at departing about 40 mins. late.... do I need to start freaking out ahead of time...?? :rolleyes:







:p

Gracias John.... my flight is listed at departing about 40 mins. late.... do I need to start freaking out ahead of time...?? Maybe just a crew rest issue since the flight was a couple of hours late arriving this morning.

Maybe just a crew rest issue since the flight was a couple of hours late arriving this morning.

Figures.... guess the Cabin Crew unions are some tough cookies.... :eek:

Reports seem to suggest that the volcano is now starting to quieten down and will continue to do so over the next two weeks. ^

Reports seem to suggest that the volcano is now starting to quieten down and will continue to do so over the next two weeks. ^

Great news..... now sitting at the Salon Basura (RCC version). The wine on tab is Callia..... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Great news..... now sitting at the Salon Basura (RCC version). The wine on tab is Callia..... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:And Alex is now airborne! Drama over.

And Alex is now airborne! Drama over. Well, land drama. Being relegated to the cabin behind the second set of non-existent curtains will give rise to another set of drama.

I was on AA943, it was very frustrating. We boarded, everyone was seated, they started the safety video and I thought we were leaving. Then the pilot interrupted to announce that the cabin crew had found a 'small problem' with one of the communication systems. 30 minutes later he explained that the technicians had identiefied the failing part and were out looking for a replacement. I guess Radio Shack was closed because a little over 2 hours later he told us that they'd found a work around to the problem and that we'd leave as soon as the fuel truck came and topped off the tanks.

That resulted in us arriving at EZE 2 hours later. I disembarked at 11 am, and made an incredible run through immigration, customs, etc and managed to board my connecting flight at AEP at noon, which took off at 12:15. So I'm finally home, in time for father's day even:)

Volcanic Activity has increased again, but the winds are blowing in a different direction. Currently, ZCO and ZAL (Temuco and Valdivia, Chile) are affected. This is North/Northwest of the volcano.

Here we go again ... flights to/from North America are canceling as the ash returns to EZE and AEP.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1384181-la-nube-de-cenizas-vuelve-a-complicar-los-vuelos-en-aeroparque-y-ezeiza (en castellano)

John... please switch to ash monitoring mode... Im now in LAX and depart tomorrow 6/25 at 1400 to EZE with a MIA connection. Please make arrangements with the bearded one so that I dont get stranded at the Zoo.... I would settle with departing and getting diverted to Montevideo, isnt that what some flights have been doing..?????

Note to self: increase provision of Spoof Juice bottles for ash-monitoring fees.... :p

Alex, repeat after me: Oy veh iz mir.. :p

John... please switch to ash monitoring mode... Im now in LAX and depart tomorrow 6/25 at 1400 to EZE with a MIA connection. Please make arrangements with the bearded one so that I dont get stranded at the Zoo.... I would settle with departing and getting diverted to Montevideo, isnt that what some flights have been doing..?????

Note to self: increase provision of Spoof Juice bottles for ash-monitoring fees.... :pAmerican canceled all this evening's flights to EZE. UA has delayed its 10PM departure to 9AM Saturday as has Continental - delayed from 9PM tonight to 7AM tomorrow morning. Delta is just showing "delayed" tonight. So it seems that EZE (and AEP) are expected to be open again tomorrow sometime ...

John... please switch to ash monitoring mode... Im now in LAX and depart tomorrow 6/25 at 1400 to EZE with a MIA connection. Please make arrangements with the bearded one so that I dont get stranded at the Zoo....

All the powers are gone. Like Moshe, a couple days before I arrived, the great cloud of the Cenizas de los Pecadores Argentinos left and the skies were made clear, although the gods were clearly angered, as evidenced by the great tormenta that hit the C.F. the night of my arrival. Days passed, sin cenizas, and after I was home for a day, the powers of the poderoso could no longer keep the Red Sea of the Southern Hemisphere skies apart, and that was the end of the story.

Flights are slowly resuming at EZE and AEP:

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1384403-se-reanudan-los-vuelos-en-aeroparque-y-ezeiza

UA, CO, and DL flights from the US are enroute, arriving the afternoon/evening after being delayed until this morning.

All the powers are gone. Like Moshe, a couple days before I arrived, the great cloud of the Cenizas de los Pecadores Argentinos left and the skies were made clear, although the gods were clearly angered, as evidenced by the great tormenta that hit the C.F. the night of my arrival. Days passed, sin cenizas, and after I was home for a day, the powers of the poderoso could no longer keep the Red Sea of the Southern Hemisphere skies apart, and that was the end of the story.
Thunderbolt
Porque ustedes tienen poca fe :mad:
/Thunderbolt

John... please switch to ash monitoring mode... Im now in LAX and depart tomorrow 6/25 at 1400 to EZE with a MIA connection. Please make arrangements with the bearded one so that I dont get stranded at the Zoo.... I would settle with departing and getting diverted to Montevideo, isnt that what some flights have been doing..?????All systems go!
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL252/history/20110625/2115Z/KLAX/KMIA
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL943/history/20110626/0320Z/KMIA/SAEZ

Yes everything seems to be back to normal.

The weather however has turned rather cold.

...] left and the skies were made clear, although the gods were clearly angered, as evidenced by the great tormenta that hit the C.F. the night of my arrival. ...I thought that CF was the tormenta! I guess we'll hear of her new "vice" today :D

All systems go!
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL252/history/20110625/2115Z/KLAX/KMIA
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL943/history/20110626/0320Z/KMIA/SAEZ
And hopefully Alex is now winging his way back home.

Con regalos para todos!

Gracias John....... happy to say my flights were operational and I got here OK. Of course.... AA lost my bags and I still dont have them.... this is the second time this trip that they do this. I know I should go on the AA forum to ask this but they are not very friendly over there..... what are my options to complain...? I assume I could get some free mileage, or...?

I know I should go on the AA forum to ask this but they are not very friendly over there.....

Oh just go over and post a good rant....I want to have fun seeing their reaction. :D

Last time I had a lost bag at EZE I had just flown in on BA F. They handled it pretty well at the time giving us a card loaded with $250. Had to wait several days for its arrival and they sent it on to me by bus instead of to my door by courier. The indignity of having to go to my local bus station to collect it was just too much.
I sent BA a stinking email saying a First Class passenger shouldn't be expected to do such a thing. :D
I got compensated 70,000 miles for that.

Of course.... AA lost my bags and I still dont have them.... this is the second time this trip that they do this. I know I should go on the AA forum to ask this but they are not very friendly over there..... what are my options to complain...? I assume I could get some free mileage, or...?

No need to be afraid - not all of us bite over on the AAdvantage forum ;)

Your best bet is to send a short concise message to AA outlining the facts. They are normally very good at giving miles for compensation especially to those who have status. Just go to aa.com, click the "Contact us" link at the top of the page and use the pro-forma to email customer relations. Here's hoping your bags turn up eventually :(

Does anyone know the status of Bariloche's airport? I'm flying to Buenos Aires Friday and from there to Bariloche the following Saturday. The airline says they can't rebook or change my Bariloche flight because they don't know yet whether the airport will have reopened by then. But they also tell me that if I'm going to change it, I have to do so before my itinerary begins, which is this Friday, and that will be too soon for the Bariloche decision if it's not already open. Obviously can't have it both ways, so I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place and slam the phone down in frustration. Any ideas from the community? Muchas gracias!

Slamming the phone is probably not the best idea. See if they will refund those segments. Even if you can make it, you probably don't want to be there. And if you get there, you don't want to be stuck there. And you could get stuck there for a long long time.

That's exactly what we're trying to do. We want to change our destination to Mendoza, but (1) they won't let us do that until it's confirmed that the Bariloche airport will still be closed on our travel date (July 9), and (2) we have to make the change before the entire itinerary begins, which is two days from now, at which time they still won't know whether Bariloche will be open on the 9th. It's an impossible situation, but an easy one to rectify; all they have to do is let us change to Mendoza now, instead of waiting until we know the airport status next week, at which point they'll tell us it's too late. It's insane, but they dont seem to understand that their refusal to let us change now puts us in an impossible position. Explaining this to one customer "service" rep and supervisor after the next over a period of four days (and we probably spent three hours neither talking or on hold today alone) leads to the slamming of the phone. Such a simple solution - re-book us now - but they seem entirely incapable or unwilling to do it.

No need to be afraid - not all of us bite over on the AAdvantage forum ;)

Your best bet is to send a short concise message to AA outlining the facts. They are normally very good at giving miles for compensation especially to those who have status. Just go to aa.com, click the "Contact us" link at the top of the page and use the pro-forma to email customer relations. Here's hoping your bags turn up eventually :(

AA messed up by bags for a second time on my return segment from LAX to EZE (via MIA)..... Ive just sent them an email and will see what they respond.... to be 100% honest, I dont really have high expectations. Despite the fact I have almost 800,000 program to date miles, Ive not had any status on American for over 6 years now...... :(

Darn... this volcano is at it again... all operations at EZE and AEP have been shut down once again.... expect no flights until (at least) tomorrow morning..... :(

BA have cancelled tonights flight from LHR so no flight to LHR tomorrow.

Thank goodness we don't travel till September.

BA have cancelled tonights flight from LHR so no flight to LHR tomorrow.
Well, sort of. They also postponed today's 244 until tomorrow, so with luck there will be a flight to LHR tomorrow - just it's the one that was supposed to go out today.

Thank goodness we don't travel till September.
Lucky you. Unfortunately, I'm due to fly to NY Sunday night. Keeping fingers crossed and doing anti-ash dance.

A descending jet airliner has just flown over the house heading for either AEP or EZE so they must be open again.

Yep.... the airports are back in operation... ^

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-app/volcanic?REGION=vaacch&V=Puyehue&LANG=en&ART=0

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-app/volcanic?REGION=vaacch&V=Puyehue&LANG=en&ART=0

Thanks for the link..... I wonder how these guys perform vs. Accuweather and the others...?

They transpose coordinates from the volcanic ash center which are given about every six hours, notice to aviation: .http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/VAAC/OTH/AG/messages.html

Do not think any of the other weather sites produce such a product.
In and out of EZE a lot, becoming a volcano junky ;)

They transpose coordinates from the volcanic ash center which are given about every six hours, notice to aviation: .http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/VAAC/OTH/AG/messages.html

Do not think any of the other weather sites produce such a product.
In and out of EZE a lot, becoming a volcano junky ;)

Thanks.... great resource... ^

Hope to see more of you on these boards... we could use the support of another regular "resident" to assist those looking to visit these latitudes.... :)

Not looking good later in the week

http://www.meteochile.gob.cl/cordoncaulle.pdf

Not looking good later in the week

http://www.meteochile.gob.cl/cordoncaulle.pdf

Grrr..... maybe someone needs to fill this volcano with a few thousand tons of concrete.....???!!!!! :mad:

Does anybody have a current update....???

Operations seemed to be normal all day today. Two of my "whale" clients are due to board flights from North America down to EZE this evening so Im keeping my fingers crossed that nothing gets delayed or cancelled....

IAD/EZE and IAH/EZE canceled tonight (UA/CO) as are MIA/EZE, DFW/EZE and JFK/EZE (AA). ATL/EZE (DL) still "on time". LA currently doesn't have cancellations.

BA 245 LHR-EZE is on its way.

BA gets its plane out of there before noon. The others are probably afraid of having them stuck there. (Well, except DL so far)

BA gets its plane out of there before noon. The others are probably afraid of having them stuck there. (Well, except DL so far)

Never understood why they park their aircraft at EZE for hours on end doing nothing. No wonder they never make any money.

Never understood why they park their aircraft at EZE for hours on end doing nothing. No wonder they never make any money.

I don't know how much "rest" an airplane needs, but they may cycle such that the aircraft is ready for its "rest" by the time it gets there. Besides, I bet some of the South America routes are what keeps AA out of bankruptcy, despite the daily aircraft siestas at various southern hemisphere airports.

I think the rest is for the pilots. I think they tried to use the plane for other route but they just didn't make enough of or any profit. Keeping it parked in EZE until the leaving for JFK leg was the best way to save money.

Just my observation of what the reasoning could be.

I think the rest is for the pilots. I think they tried to use the plane for other route but they just didn't make enough of or any profit. Keeping it parked in EZE until the leaving for JFK leg was the best way to save money.

Just my observation of what the reasoning could be.

That isn't it, because the crew that gets in at, i.e., 8am leaves at 10pm the next day (typically).

Ash predicted: 30% chance of Temporary spells between 09:00 on Thursday and 18:00 on Thursday
Volcanic Ash
Wind: 320° at 06 knots
Runways with a headwind: Runway 29, Runway 35

http://mobile.plane-mad.com/airport-weather/argentina/buenos-aires-ezeiza-ministro-pistarini-eze-saez.html

Ash predicted: 30% chance of Temporary spells between 09:00 on Thursday and 18:00 on Thursday
Volcanic Ash
Wind: 320° at 06 knots
Runways with a headwind: Runway 29, Runway 35

http://mobile.plane-mad.com/airport-weather/argentina/buenos-aires-ezeiza-ministro-pistarini-eze-saez.html

LAN should have all of its EZE flights (3) leaving LIM within a short block of time soon - some people have spent the night there, including (possibly) one of our own.

My AA 955 got cancelled on July 6. Hope I get to leave today (Jul 7) and be back by the 13....

--J

Operations are again disrupted today..... it was a little strange though, as AR cancelled all flights until 1200 noon but LAN operated normally. Now Ive just heard that all flights have been grounded until 1800hs.... ?????

Think this is what they call residual ash... Anyway, looks like it is moving in again.
30% chance between 19:00 on Thursday and 06:00 on Friday
Light Volcanic Ash
Clouds: Few Clouds at 5,000ft
Wind: 270° at 10 knots
Visibility: 8,000m
Runways with a headwind: Runway 29, Runway 35
Forecast valid until 15:00 on Friday

http://mobile.plane-mad.com/airport-weather/argentina/buenos-aires-ezeiza-ministro-pistarini-eze-saez.html

LAN has moved a couple of SCL/EZE flights to AEP today.

LAN has moved a couple of SCL/EZE flights to AEP today.

ahhh...................

However, they have canceled everything from LIM (3 flights) - I bet it was because those planes needed to get back to LIM for North America / Europe flights and weren't going to be able to so they gutted the flights - just my 2¢.

That isn't it, because the crew that gets in at, i.e., 8am leaves at 10pm the next day (typically).

I know some airlines take advantage of cheaper maintenance/cleaning facilities when their aircraft have long idle times operating away from their bases. Maybe the likes of AA do this at EZE.

I'm flying IAD-EZE tonight on UA. Last night's IAD-EZE flight had to divert to Miami because of the ash, not sure if they even made it into EZE yet. Predictions for tonight?

http://mobile.plane-mad.com/airport-weather/argentina/buenos-aires-ezeiza-ministro-pistarini-eze-saez.html

Says light volcanic ash changing to partly cloudy around 10pm their time tonight.

Things are not looking good here... AEP is in complete chaos because of the ashes in the area..... EZE is also not normal. This is not looking good.... :(

The BA flight from LHR diverted into Rio this morning.

Things are not looking good here... AEP is in complete chaos because of the ashes in the area..... EZE is also not normal. This is not looking good.... :(

Que desastre...

I'm almost considering pushing my flight back a day to tomorrow night, but I realistically have to leave for my first leg in 2 hours, and with 4 hours waiting at IAD, it's not really worth it given that i MIGHT get in...

However, the airport forecast does say "partly cloudy" starting between 20:00 and 22:00 tonight, good until 15:00 tomorrow...that is positive, i think.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=es&tl=en&u=http://www.mdzol.com/mdz/nota/309222-buenas-perspectivas-para-que-se-reanuden-los-vuelos-en-aeroparque-y-ezeiza/&usg=ALkJrhjdZsIP8rnE6ORk2FmI0p1lLFaWWQ

Tomorrow will be crazy at EZE, with or without ash. Cristina to make a visit tomorrow. Good luck.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.primeraedicionweb.com.ar%2Fnota %2Fdigital%2F38452%2Fcristina-kirchner-inaugura-obras-en-ezeiza.html

Took AA 955 from JFK-EZE on July 7. Circled for 30 minutes over the Delta and then got diverted to SCL. Hope we can make EZE Saturday morning.... At least AA is doing a good job with accommodations at the Ritz.

--J

Volcanic Ash , Haze
http://mobile.plane-mad.com/airport-weather/argentina/buenos-aires-ezeiza-ministro-pistarini-eze-saez.html

Things have been normal today, lets hope the Volcano keeps quiet....

Lots of flights canceled today.

Darned volcano.... I thought it was about time it kept quiet for a Century or two...

Darned volcano.... I thought it was about time it kept quiet for a Century or two...

Yes it's becoming a nuisance and starting to get me worried that it might disrupt our holiday plans in September.

Dont you have some witch doctor out there in the Goonies...? Heck, maybe its time to put your MIL to work...??? :D

Hmm now I am getting worried. We are supposed to be flying into Argentina in 10 days time. However, my DH can absolutely not be one day late back to work so am debating whether for the time being we should just cancel.

Things seem to have gotten sort of back to normal.... lets keep all the fingers crossed...

What is the situation in Bariloche and Neuquén? Not much news coming this way, but there's little/no air traffic still, correct?

I dont know what the current status is, but about 10 days ago before the Volcano again started acting up there had been a few flights in/out of Bariloche....

It's Argentina ... :)

Flights delayed at Ezeiza, Metropolitan airports due to radar malfunction

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/74995/flights-delayed-at-ezeiza-metropolitan-airports-due-to-radar-malfunction

Local press reports say things are back to business as usual again today.....

So does anyone know if this volcano has finally gone back to sleep?

Not seen anything in the media.

Sábado 27 de agosto, información actualizada a las 12:00 hrs. hora local Buenos Aires.

LAN Argentina informa que está operando normalmente sus vuelos desde y hacia el Aeroparque Jorge Newbery y el Aeropuerto Internacional de Ezeiza debido a la ausencia de cenizas volcánicas en el espacio aéreo de Buenos Aires emanadas por la erupción del volcán Puyehue.

Adicionalmente los vuelos de la ruta Buenos Aires – Neuquén se reanudarán a partir del martes 23 de Agosto y la operación se restablecerá en forma progresiva. Por consultas sobre la operación de esta ruta, por favor comuníquese con nuestras oficinas, nuestro Contact Center o su agencia de viajes.

Para obtener la información más actualizada de su vuelo le sugerimos revisar nuestro servicio de Estado de tu Vuelo antes de dirigirse al aeropuerto.

Recordamos a los pasajeros con destino a Bariloche que los vuelos permanecen cancelados, debido a la presencia de ceniza volcánica en el espacio aéreo y en la superficie de los aeropuertos de dicha ciudad.

La Compañía se encuentra brindando todas las facilidades comerciales ante esta situación ajena a su control para que los pasajeros afectados puedan reprogramar su vuelo sin penalidad para ser utilizados por el plazo de un año desde su fecha de emisión. Por tal motivo, solicitamos a quiénes tengan ticket para volar en el día de hoy, se acerquen dentro de los próximos 30 días a alguna de las oficinas comerciales de la Compañía o se comuniquen a través del número de contacto antes mencionado.

Recordamos a los pasajeros con destino a Bariloche que los vuelos permanecen cancelados, debido a la presencia de ceniza volcánica en el espacio aéreo y en la superficie de los aeropuertos de dichas ciudades.

Nuevamente, lamentamos las posibles molestias que esta situación ajena a la Compañía pudiera ocasionar a los pasajeros y reafirmamos nuestro compromiso con los más elevados estándares en materia de seguridad.

Well that's good news. ^

Although it must still be rumbling away if Bariloche remains closed due to ash in its airspace.

Well that's good news. ^

Although it must still be rumbling away if Bariloche remains closed due to ash in its airspace.

Chile had some recent cancellations (about a week + ago) in the mid-South.

Im keeping my fingers crossed that all continues smoothly and ash-free this week... we have a bunch of FTers landing at EZE later this week.... :D ^

Im keeping my fingers crossed that all continues smoothly and ash-free this week... we have a bunch of FTers landing at EZE later this week.... :D ^

Of course....here's hoping they all manage to arrive on schedule.

Of course....here's hoping they all manage to arrive on schedule.

Yes... and you also have to fly out one of these days, or...? ;)

Yes... and you also have to fly out one of these days, or...? ;)

We go on the 11th.......I hope. :D

Volcan Puyehue has never fallen asleep, but the ash cloud has been small, occasional, and occasional flight cancellations were localized around the lakes district of Chile. Until today.

Flights coming to/from SCL to AEP, EZE and MVD have all been cancelled today.

:(

Volcan Puyehue has never fallen asleep, but the ash cloud has been small, occasional, and occasional flight cancellations were localized around the lakes district of Chile. Until today.

Flights coming to/from SCL to AEP, EZE and MVD have all been cancelled today.

:(

Well, something unusual often happens on my trips down to Argentina (although it's usually man-made problems, like strikes), so why not volcano worries?

I'm headed next month to Argentine Patagonia, but, I'm getting there through Punta Arenas, via Santiago and Puerto Montt. Given the way the winds blow, are the Chilean airports in as much risk as the Argentine ones? And would Punta Arenas be "far enough south" that maybe I could fly directly there from SCL if there was a problem in Puerto Montt? I'm guessing that Puerto Montt is "riskier" than either Santiago or Punta Arenas.

I suppose I just need to monitor this the week before departure. I guess this is the best place to do that? :)

Well, something unusual often happens on my trips down to Argentina (although it's usually man-made problems, like strikes), so why not volcano worries?

I'm headed next month to Argentine Patagonia, but, I'm getting there through Punta Arenas, via Santiago and Puerto Montt. Given the way the winds blow, are the Chilean airports in as much risk as the Argentine ones? And would Punta Arenas be "far enough south" that maybe I could fly directly there from SCL if there was a problem in Puerto Montt? I'm guessing that Puerto Montt is "riskier" than either Santiago or Punta Arenas.

I suppose I just need to monitor this the week before departure. I guess this is the best place to do that? :)

Actually, LAN's website has a link near the top to flight cancellations related to the volcano (divided into Int'l, Chile, and Argentina). There have been periodic (short-lived) cancellations in the past few months in around Puerto Montt, Osorno, Valdivia, perhaps as far north as Temuco. Absent very strange winds, SCL/PUQ could operate, over the Pacific. SCL and PUQ have not been affected. During the early days of the initial "blow" the airports in Chile were not affected much at all.

Thank goodness we managed to get our holiday in during one of its quieter moments.
Yes it really depends on which way the wind blows whether you get affected by it or not. It's been very gloomy here today and a warning has been put out regarding visibility on the roads because of it.

I guess this is the best place to do that? :)

And here (http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-app/volcanic?REGION=vaacch&V=Puyehue&LANG=en&ART=0) - great link provided earlier in this thread by Dennisr

Thank goodness we managed to get our holiday in during one of its quieter moments.

I'm praying for your luck HIDDY when we head back over to EZE next month. Looks like all of AA's departures from EZE are cancelled this evening

I'm praying for your luck HIDDY when we head back over to EZE next month. Looks like all of AA's departures from EZE are cancelled this evening

Here's hoping you'll be okay.....it is a worry though. My main concern at the time was the fact we were travelling on three separate tickets. If we hadn't been able to get out of EZE then the whole holiday would have gone tits-up. If it had all been on the one I wouldn't have been too worried.

Must admit I thought the danger of flight disruption in this area due to the ash cloud was well and truly over but obviously not.

Lots of flights leaving EZE tonight have been canceled. Flights scheduled to leave the US tonight for arrival tomorrow are also canceling.

Here's hoping you'll be okay.....it is a worry though. My main concern at the time was the fact we were travelling on three separate tickets. If we hadn't been able to get out of EZE then the whole holiday would have gone tits-up. If it had all been on the one I wouldn't have been too worried.

Thanks HIDDY. My only worries are about losing our confirmed upgrades if our flights are cancelled and being banished to the back of the bus on the next available flight :eek:

Having said that, if the ash cloud blows in when we're due to head home and I have to spend another week in BA rather than returning to work in a freezing cold London not a word of complaint will pass my lips :D

Thanks HIDDY. My only worries are about losing our confirmed upgrades if our flights are cancelled

You mean you're flying with AA? :eek:

Well yesterdays BA EZE-LHR departed today so at least things are moving again at Ezeiza..

Last I heard today, flights were slowly moving out of EZE and SCL... the outlook for the rest of today and tomorrow is stable.... Bariloche and San Martin de los Andes both remain closed though... :(

Things continue to move towards normal here... press continues to report that flights are being reprogrammed and things are moving.... ^

Thanks, guys, for the tips. I'm looking at LAN's USA website and I don't see a box with volcano information. Do they only put it up when there are cancellations?

Is S. America like N. America in that the winds generally blow east? I'm guessing that's not always the case if there have been SCL cancellations. Have there been fewer SCL disruptions than EZE disruptions?

And has the Punta Arenas airport ever been closed by this? Of course, you somehow have to get there. :)

BTW, I think we should change the thread title to "Argentina/Chile volcano disruptions."

Thanks, guys, for the tips. I'm looking at LAN's USA website and I don't see a box with volcano information. Do they only put it up when there are cancellations?

Is S. America like N. America in that the winds generally blow east? I'm guessing that's not always the case if there have been SCL cancellations. Have there been fewer SCL disruptions than EZE disruptions?

And has the Punta Arenas airport ever been closed by this? Of course, you somehow have to get there. :)

BTW, I think we should change the thread title to "Argentina/Chile volcano disruptions."

Ah, I see there's nothing on the US site. The Chile and Argentina sites have a yellow box near the top.

http://www.lan.com/es_cl Even if you don't read espanish, you should be able to figure it out.

The SCL cancellations are only for southbound and int'l to/from Argentina.

PUQ hasn't directly been affected, but flights have been (i.e., no PMC stop, etc.)

You mean you're flying with AA? :eek:

Absolutely! A good way to earn 18k EQMs and fly in business vs 14k EQMs and sitting in the back of the bus with BA ;)

Ah, I see there's nothing on the US site. The Chile and Argentina sites have a yellow box near the top.

http://www.lan.com/es_cl Even if you don't read espanish, you should be able to figure it out.

The SCL cancellations are only for southbound and int'l to/from Argentina.

PUQ hasn't directly been affected, but flights have been (i.e., no PMC stop, etc.)

Thanks. Not sure why Norteamericanos don't need to be informed, but now I know to check LAN's "local" websites for info. BTW, when I plug the text into google translate, I get a very understandable translation without having to putter through my high school Spanish.

This certainly seems to be something I need to keep an eye on. Of course, what can I do? There's really nothing I can do about it. My itinerary has me arriving in SCL and immediately flying to Puerto Montt and then going on to Punta Arenas (and the rest of Patagonia) the next day. That gives me a little wiggle room to scrub the Puerto Montt day if necessary.

And who cares about getting home. :)

Thanks, guys, for the tips. I'm looking at LAN's USA website and I don't see a box with volcano information. Do they only put it up when there are cancellations?

Is S. America like N. America in that the winds generally blow east? I'm guessing that's not always the case if there have been SCL cancellations. Have there been fewer SCL disruptions than EZE disruptions?

And has the Punta Arenas airport ever been closed by this? Of course, you somehow have to get there. :)

BTW, I think we should change the thread title to "Argentina/Chile volcano disruptions."http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/16721983-post2702.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/16730211-post2704.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/16733586-post2709.html

This certainly seems to be something I need to keep an eye on. Of course, what can I do? There's really nothing I can do about it. My itinerary has me arriving in SCL and immediately flying to Puerto Montt and then going on to Punta Arenas (and the rest of Patagonia) the next day. That gives me a little wiggle room to scrub the Puerto Montt day if necessary.

And who cares about getting home. :)

Most of the days that the lakes district has had issues, they seem to be localized, i.e., often the flights will stop at another airport and there will be bus service from that alternative airport (typically a couple of hours on the bus). If PMC is closed, I'd just have them route me to PUQ if it is available. If PMC is open, your seafood lunch @ Angelmó awaits.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/16721983-post2702.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/16730211-post2704.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/16733586-post2709.html

Ah, yes, that's the kind of LAN customer service I'm a bit afraid of. In fact, I started a thread in the new LAN forum asking what I might expect in the way of assistance with irregular ops if "the worst happens" volcano-wise. You've confirmed my suspicions that I won't get a lot of help.

Most of the days that the lakes district has had issues, they seem to be localized, i.e., often the flights will stop at another airport and there will be bus service from that alternative airport (typically a couple of hours on the bus). If PMC is closed, I'd just have them route me to PUQ if it is available. If PMC is open, your seafood lunch @ Angelmó awaits.

Yeah, that's pretty much my plan. The worst for me would probably be to make it to PMC and then get stuck there. Not that there's anything wrong with PMC, but I've been there a lot, and the purpose of this trip is to press on to PUQ.

Oh, well. I generally find that the "predictable" problems (the ones you're thinking of) don't happen when you travel: it's the stuff completely out of the blue that messes up your plans!

Hi All,

My brother and I have tickets booked from AEP to Bariloche, Dec 5 - 10. Our guesthouse owners in Bariloche advised us that the Bariloche airport will be closed during this time (through Dec.20?) and we need to rebook to Neuquen. However, our flights on LAN have not been cancelled and they appear to still be selling tickets to Bariloche for these periods.

Any thoughts? Will LAN operate these flights to alternative airports? Any experience with getting LAN to change flights (booked with lanpass kms) to another destination?

Thanks!

Brian

Hi All,

My brother and I have tickets booked from AEP to Bariloche, Dec 5 - 10. Our guesthouse owners in Bariloche advised us that the Bariloche airport will be closed during this time (through Dec.20?) and we need to rebook to Neuquen. However, our flights on LAN have not been cancelled and they appear to still be selling tickets to Bariloche for these periods.

Any thoughts? Will LAN operate these flights to alternative airports? Any experience with getting LAN to change flights (booked with lanpass kms) to another destination?

Thanks!

Brian

The fact is that if the volcano blows again (and the seismic activities are returning), you won't want to ever get there. http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1416036-volcan

There won't be alternative airports, and the roads might not be passable. Neuquén had a lot of issues the last go round, too.

Eastbay1K.... whats the latest on your flights coming down...?

In the LAN forum volcano thread, someone told me the airport closures weren't the result of a new eruption -- just wind-borne ash from melting snow. My Spanish isn't so great, but that new story from La Nacion indicates to me that there is new activity.

So, unfortunately, I feel a little less confident that my Patagonia plans will go off without trouble next month.

In the LAN forum volcano thread, someone told me the airport closures weren't the result of a new eruption -- just wind-borne ash from melting snow. My Spanish isn't so great, but that new story from La Nacion indicates to me that there is new activity.

So, unfortunately, I feel a little less confident that my Patagonia plans will go off without trouble next month.It's still in its eruption phase ...
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=38786

Dr. Tiburon came in OK this morning..... :p

Dr. Tiburon came in OK this morning..... :p

Thanks FTers for all the updates. I arrive the end of the month at EZE. I hope is all clears up. Is the melting snow a big issue to consider for future cancellations or is it actual activity of Puyehue? Thanks and Safe Travels

Thanks FTers for all the updates. I arrive the end of the month at EZE. I hope is all clears up. Is the melting snow a big issue to consider for future cancellations or is it actual activity of Puyehue? Thanks and Safe Travels

The issue is ash. Ash kills airplane engines. Airlines, rightfully so, are ultra-conservative on the issue. A lot of ash is invisible at altitude. It still kills the engines. EZE is far enough away that it all depends on wind patterns, as opposed to Bariloche and surrounds, which are too close for any comfort with an eruption.

Now, as to the real natural disaster that it about to hit Argentina on Sunday ... :(:mad::td:

The issue is ash. Ash kills airplane engines. Airlines, rightfully so, are ultra-conservative on the issue. A lot of ash is invisible at altitude. It still kills the engines. EZE is far enough away that it all depends on wind patterns, as opposed to Bariloche and surrounds, which are too close for any comfort with an eruption.

Now, as to the real natural disaster that it about to hit Argentina on Sunday ... :(:mad::td:

Thanks Eastbay1K whats going to hit this Sunday??

Thanks Eastbay1K whats going to hit this Sunday??

It was a Political Joke ( got it.. )

Thanks FTers for all the updates. I arrive the end of the month at EZE. I hope is all clears up. Is the melting snow a big issue to consider for future cancellations or is it actual activity of Puyehue? Thanks and Safe TravelsIf you understand Spanish you can read the reports from the Observatorio Volcanologico de los Andes del Sur (OVDAS) of the Servicio Nacional de Geologia y Mineria about the current status of volcanic activity.
http://www2.sernageomin.cl/ovdas/ovdas7/informativos2/informes_ovdas01.php

Now, as to the real natural disaster that it about to hit Argentina on Sunday ... :(:mad::td:

Amen.... :( :mad: :td:

I'm headed to Patagonia next week, so I'm on volcano-watch. When I go to the LAN Argentina and Chile websites, there isn't any cancellation info anymore (except for Bariloche, which is closed until December). Does this mean there are no cancellations right now? The volcanoes are reasonably calm? I read that Hudson might be the next problem, but nothing seems to have happened.

Thanks.

The press has not been reporting any cancellations so that is a good sign....

The press has not been reporting any cancellations so that is a good sign....

Thanks. For some reason, LAN put the Puyehue warning link back on their Chilean homepage today, but did not seem to report any new cancellations.

Fingers crossed. Something almost always "goes wrong" on my Argentine trips, but they're usually man-made problems. I'm hoping that because I'm EXPECTING this problem, it won't happen. Of course, in that case, somebody will probably go on strike. :)

Thanks. For some reason, LAN put the Puyehue warning link back on their Chilean homepage today, but did not seem to report any new cancellations.



It never left (unless it was a temporary blip).

The papers and TV stations are again reporting about delays and (some) cancellations.....

I didn't see any new cancellations listed on the LAN website. Don't tell me that LAN isn't bothering to update this!

I didn't see any new cancellations listed on the LAN website. Don't tell me that LAN isn't bothering to update this!

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1421948-otra-vez-las-cenizas-hay-demoras-en-los-vuelos

Jueves 10 de Noviembre
Vuelo Origen Destino Información
LA405 Santiago Buenos Aires (Ezeiza)
Cancelado
LA422 Buenos Aires (Ezeiza) Santiago
Cancelado
LA453 Santiago Buenos Aires (Ezeiza) Cancelado
LA454 Buenos Aires (Ezeiza) Santiago Cancelado
LA455 Santiago Buenos Aires (Ezeiza) Cancelado
LA456 Buenos Aires (Ezeiza)
Santiago Cancelado
LA2605 Lima
Buenos Aires (Ezeiza) Cancelado

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/84294/labour-ministry-issues-compulsory-agreement-for-airport-workers-

Continuing union action has grounded many flights at AEP today.

http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/Caos-Aeroparque-cancelaron-conflicto-gremial_0_589741152.html

All Aerolineas flights at EZE are cancelled today because of union action:
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1422706-aerolineas-responsabiliza-a-un-gremialista-por-las-demoras-en-los-vuelos

Just pray that this does not start affecting the other airlines.... if things escalate, the Unions will try to make a bigger impact by closing down the whole airport.

:rolleyes: :mad: :td:

Just pray that this does not start affecting the other airlines.... if things escalate, the Unions will try to make a bigger impact by closing down the whole airport.

:rolleyes: :mad: :td:

Seems as though nothing changes at AR......they really are the S American Alitalia.

Time to stop propping them up and allow true competition to weed out the weak from the strong.

Glad I'm flying down to Patagonia through Chile this week (only because LAN Argentina is usually too lazy to load award travel seats much in advance). :)

So when I look at the LAN websites, it seems like there haven't been any DOMESTIC flight cancellations since late October, and only one day of int'l cancellations (Nov. 10). Is that accurate information? I'm headed to Punta Arenas, with a 24 hour stopover in more-risky Puerto Montt (where I don't want to get stuck). I'm thinking of "over-flying" Puerto Montt and just head straight to Punta Arenas if there's a material volcano cancellation risk this week.

Just pray that this does not start affecting the other airlines.... if things escalate, the Unions will try to make a bigger impact by closing down the whole airport.

:rolleyes: :mad: :td:

I flew out of EZE on Friday night, even though Thursdays UA Flight was cancelled, all went well. Not that many cancellations were on the board. Happy to be home in light of the issues. Safe Travels..

Aerolineas has rescheduled some of it's international departures for Monday Nov 14.

http://www.clarin.com/politica/Aerolineas-reprogramo-internacionales-responsable-gremio_0_590341230.html

CFK has declared the strikes illegal and has passed the ATC workers to the Air Force........ lets wait and see what all this solves, if anything.... :rolleyes:

CFK has declared the strikes illegal and has passed the ATC workers to the Air Force........ lets wait and see what all this solves, if anything.... :rolleyes:

Thats reminiscent of Ronald Reagan 30 years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_traffic_controllers%27_strike_of_1981#August_1 981_strike, be sure to point that out to all of the fans of CFK you know :D

Thats reminiscent of Ronald Reagan 30 years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_traffic_controllers%27_strike_of_1981#August_1 981_strike, be sure to point that out to all of the fans of CFK you know :D

Yes but RR never pretended to be a fan of worker's rights, nor did he ever feed them and bus them to the capital for protests. Vuelos para todos!

LAN is showing a ton of volcano-related domestic cancellations today, at least in Chile. Just in time for my trip. :rolleyes:

Can anyone tell me what's the latest on Puyehue?

I'm thinking I need to be prepared to get stuck in Santiago, as well as in Puerto Montt and Punta Arenas.

The latest map shows where the ash cloud belt is at the moment.

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-app/volcanic?REGION=vaacch&V=Puyehue&LANG=en&ART=0

When will these darned Chilenos stop their bloody ash from coming over here.....

:mad:

When will these darned Chilenos stop their bloody ash from coming over here.....

:mad:

When the pecadores argentinos stop their pecados making los dioses de las cenizas angry. :D

When will these darned Chilenos stop their bloody ash from coming over here.....

:mad:The volcano gods are obviously unhappy with the argentinos choice of president :mad:

Cenizas Para Todos!

I recall "she" gave a speech months ago about really how harmless the ashes are. It must be true.

All flights delayed at Ezeiza Int'l Airport due to union protest, it's Argentina :D

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/84787/all-flights-suspended-at-ezeiza-intl-airport-due-to-union-protest

All flights delayed at Ezeiza Int'l Airport due to union protest, it's Argentina :D

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/84787/all-flights-suspended-at-ezeiza-intl-airport-due-to-union-protestLooks as thought flights were delayed leaving up to 2 hours, late Wednesday evening, but are all departing.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1423887-no-sale-ningun-vuelo-del-aeropuerto-de-ezeiza

[It's the air traffic controllers who are protesting the government's decision earlier this week to place ATC back under Argentine Air Force control]

When the pecadores argentinos stop their pecados making los dioses de las cenizas angry. :D

Nonsense.... if they dont do this soon, we may just have the Terremoto Gods show them..... :rolleyes: :mad: :eek:

Is there an ash-cloud forecast available?

Looking at that cool map linked above, I see the cloud is now slightly east of Puerto Montt -- but seems to have grown. But the slight movement has, at least temporarily, opened up the Puerto Montt airport according to the LAN website (no cancellations today).

I could really use a 48 hour forecast to know what the heck to do about my plans this weekend.

Thanks.

Is there an ash-cloud forecast available?

Looking at that cool map linked above, I see the cloud is now slightly east of Puerto Montt -- but seems to have grown. But the slight movement has, at least temporarily, opened up the Puerto Montt airport according to the LAN website (no cancellations today).

I could really use a 48 hour forecast to know what the heck to do about my plans this weekend.

Thanks.

There's an 18-hour forecast on the page you refer to. I imagine it's fairly hard to predict with much accuracy beyond that. Good luck for the weekend

There's an 18-hour forecast on the page you refer to. I imagine it's fairly hard to predict with much accuracy beyond that. Good luck for the weekend

Not only that, with volcanic ash (which can be invisible), a wise airline will err on the side of extreme caution.

There's an 18-hour forecast on the page you refer to. I imagine it's fairly hard to predict with much accuracy beyond that. Good luck for the weekend

Ah, thanks -- I didn't even see that! Looks like the cloud is moving away from Puerto Montt in that period. Crazy stuff.

Does the shaded area basically operate as a "no-fly zone"? In following it the past few weeks, it does seem like if you're airport is in "the zone," your flight is cancelled. If it isn't, you can usually fly.

Ash cloud is back but seems to be only affecting some flights today. BA flight had to go to GIG.

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-app/volcanic?REGION=vaacch&V=Puyehue&LANG=en&ART=0

Glad to have made it to Patagonia and back without a flight cancellation!

Hopefully, no volcanic eruptions to worry about next time. :)

Bariloche, Closed. It's Argentina. :D

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Just book a LAN South American Airpass today. The first flight is Jan 23 from BA to Bariloche. Now I see that the airport is going to be closed.
Need suggestions as to how to proceed.
Called LAN and was told that they have a plan, If the airport is closed they will fly to another city near and bus us 7 hours.
This stinks.

Just book a LAN South American Airpass today. The first flight is Jan 23 from BA to Bariloche. Now I see that the airport is going to be closed.
Need suggestions as to how to proceed.
Called LAN and was told that they have a plan, If the airport is closed they will fly to another city near and bus us 7 hours.
This stinks.

That's tough but look on it from a positive angle. Nearest city I imagine will be Neuquen. It's a very interesting road journey and certainly worth seeing. So make sure you get to do it during daylight hours.

Hiddy, Thanks for the info. How long might the bus trip from Neuquen to bariloche? What might I see on the trip?

Hiddy, Thanks for the info. How long might the bus trip from Neuquen to bariloche? What might I see on the trip?

By scheduled bus service it's 5.5 hours

Hiddy, Thanks for the info. How long might the bus trip from Neuquen to bariloche? What might I see on the trip?

It's been a few years since I did it and that was by car. As britenbsas says it's around 6 hours by coach and I assume they'll be rest stops along the way. It'll be interesting to hear if they supply food and drink along the way.

The journey was interesting for me due to the different landscapes you go through.....if you're not that keen on geography it might be boring. The route we took sees you passing the wine and fruit growing area then you get into very arid countryside where they have found some dinosaurs remains...(some of the biggest in the world were found in the area). Interesting rock formations as well. You may see the Lanin volcano in the distance as you enter the more fertile area where the Andes start. It all depends on the route they take but there aren't that many choices. Doing it in darkness will almost certainly be boring so I would definitely get a morning flight down there.

As I said I found it a nice road trip you might not of course. :D

Thanks again HIDDY. I hope they depart at the scheduled time. 11AM so we can get some of the scenery. I might enjoy it, my wife probably will not.

Everything in Argentina is a short story. Revision "B"

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Yes, the last few weeks of closure were because of new construction, etc.

Areolineas has posted no flights until Mar 1. LAN now lists flight and bus. Travel time is 10 hours BA to Bariloche:mad::mad: