TalkBoard Topics - Omni the new dumping ground for TS/S threads gone bad?

Is there any formal reason we've seen a big increase in TS/S threads being dumped into Omni?

This is a moderation issue; moderation is beyond the purview of the TalkBoard.

You may find these links helpful:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni-pr/1221087-omni-p-r-new-tsa-dumping-ground.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-safety-security/posting-rubric-ts-s-effective-may-6-2011-459.html

Actually, I believe it's the TB who determines what goes into forums when they are created. Suddenly, those threads which are deemed to be un-TSA friendly or particularly contentious, are being sent to Omni P/R (and have nothing to do with P or R). Some of them are started or contributed to by people who can't see Omni.

If threads of this nature are not wanted in TS&S, then why put them in Omni? It's just moving the bad behavior from one forum to another.

Please not that 2 of the Omni mods are also TS&S mods, and it's they who do the moving [that's not a complaint or dig]

I've been reading over there, and quite honestly, I have never seen such contentious threads anywhere else on FT - including Omni P/R. Some of these people only post in TS&S and they gripe over and over about the same thing. A few are a sandwich short of a picnic (one landed in Omni ;) )

If those types of posts are to be discouraged, IMHO they should be locked - not moved.

FWIW -I posted similar in Omni and it was locked because I was discussing moderation and I was directed to the community director. I would prefer not to bother her with something like this because I believe it's one of the roles of TB.

This is a moderation issue; moderation is beyond the purview of the TalkBoard.

You may find these links helpful:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni-pr/1221087-omni-p-r-new-tsa-dumping-ground.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-safety-security/posting-rubric-ts-s-effective-may-6-2011-459.html

I'll read those threads in a bit but your saying talkboard has no control over this issue :confused:

Isn't it talkboard who creates new forums?

So who it in charge of the moderators then?

Actually, I believe it's the TB who determines what goes into forums when they are created. Suddenly, those threads which are deemed to be un-TSA friendly or particularly contentuous, are being sent to Omni P/R (and have nothing to do with P or R). Some of them are started or contributed to by people who can't see Omni.

If threads of this nature are not wanted in TS&S, then why put them in Omni? It's just moving the bad behavior from one forum to another.

Please not that 2 of the Omni mods are also TS&S mods, and it's they who do the moving [that's not a complaint or dig]

I've been reading over there, and quite honestly, I have never seen such contentuous threads anywhere else on FT - including Omni P/R. Some of these people only post in TS&S and they gripe over and over about the same thing. A few are a sandwich short of a picnic (one landed in Omni ;) )

If those types of posts are to be discouraged, IMHO they should be locked - not moved.

FWIW -I posted similar in Omni and it was locked because I was discussing moderation and I was directed to the community director. I would prefer not to bother her with something like this because I believe it's one of the roles of TB.

I agree with everything you've posted. The posts are VERY contentous brining an entirely new level to OMNI (one that isn't needed). I also agree if we don't like the posts in TS/S lock them don't relocate them to OMNI.

My thread about this in OMNI was flat out deleted (I think as it disappeared) so at least they directed you somewhere. I find this kind of action disrepectful....at least send me a note as to why you are deleting my thread....or lock it with a note at to why....or better yet leave it open. Why delete all record of it....are we trying to hide the fact that many members are not happy with this move?

Who is the community director?

I'll read those threads in a bit but your saying talkboard has no control over this issue :confused:

Isn't it talkboard who creates new forums?

So who it in charge of the moderators then?
In the first instance, you should go to the moderators themselves. If you are still unhappy with their response then you go to Carol/SanDiego1k the community director, who is in charge of the moderators.

TB has no control over moderation issues.

In the first instance, you should go to the moderators themselves. If you are still unhappy with their response then you go to Carol/SanDiego1k the community director, who is in charge of the moderators.

TB has no control over moderation issues.Jenbel, I was told to go directly to Carol. The mods for both forums are almost the same, which is why I was sent to her :)

Content in the forums is now the purview of the moderators and not the Talk Board?

FWIW - I have just sent Carol a note.

If threads of this nature are not wanted in TS&S, then why put them in Omni? It's just moving the bad behavior from one forum to another.

Please not that 2 of the Omni mods are also TS&S mods, and it's they who do the moving [that's not a complaint or dig]
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There was a time when this issue could be openly discussed in OMNI (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni/872333-omni-moderation-too-hard-too-soft-discuss.html) and the mods involved would chime in and address concerns fairly and properly. Not sure when was this thread closed (or why). Maybe this line of discussion should be carried on over there, if thread reopened? @:-)

I prefer Jenbel's approach and would always suggest it to anyone with concerns about the moderation of any forum; while our Community Director does have oversight over the moderators, I think it would be a kindness to her to try and work out any questions/concerns with the moderator(s) directly before escalating to her.*

* Mary, I note that in your case, you were asked to escalate your concerns to the Community Director.

Regarding the OP's question, as others have noted, there is some overlap in the current OMNI and TS/S moderation team, so again, I would think those moderators would be the most qualified to answer. Let's put it this way, if the question was posed directly to the Community Director, I suspect she would contact those moderators before responding.

I prefer Jenbel's approach and would always suggest it to anyone with concerns about the moderation of any forum; while our Community Director does have oversight over the moderators, I think it would be a kindness to her to try and work out any questions/concerns with the moderator(s) directly before escalating to her.Except I was told to go directly to her, probably due to the overlap in moderators.

Normally I would go directly to the mods first.

You know those threads count in TSS, once it gets dumped in Omni it doesn't, which doesn't make sense.. Seeing as more and more threads are being dumped in omni, wouldn't it just make sense to shut down TSS and move all discussion to a dedicated forum that deals with Politics (Omni PR) ? Lets not lie to ourselves in saying TSS has nothing political about it..

Noted, Mary.

My response was targeted more at those who would be inclined to take their concerns to the Community Director without contacting the appropriate moderator(s) first.

For clarification I posted a thread about it in OMNI and it was deleted with no word to me (a simple PM would have been nice). I then had a chat with a mod and he did answer some of my questions as to what he was moving over but I'm not satisified with the WHY they are being moved over. I'll contact the community director as the next step.

I truly thought Talkboard decided what went into what forums (and created new ones if needed). It would be nice if the members had some sort of input on these items. Dumping everything we don't like into OMNI doesn't seem like a very good answer to me.

Thanks

As has been posted, this is really a moderation issue. Please contact an Omni moderator via private message if you have any comments.

Noted, Mary.

My response was targeted more at those who would be inclined to take their concerns to the Community Director without contacting the appropriate moderator(s) first.

I agree that we should contact moderators first.....but, at least in my case, wouldn't it have made at least some sense to contact me, put a comment in the thread I started and lock it, or something of that nature vs delete and ignore?

Hopefully the moderators feel that its a two way street and take input from members. Just feels like some mods got together and decided to clutter OMNI with the BS they didn't want in their other forums....hopefully I'm wrong.