Washington D.C. (including Baltimore) - Reagan get a facelift new runway for first-time since 1990s

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/05/reagan-runway-gets-a-facelift-60804.html

Washington-Nationals to get facelift a new runway for first-time since 1990s. It will plans to start constructed new runway & taxiway, too.

why are they not adding another 1-2000 feet to the south so they can land some decent planes on that runway. they can fill the potomac, and at 9000 feet, take at least some wide bodies and do transatlantics.

why are they not adding another 1-2000 feet to the south so they can land some decent planes on that runway. they can fill the potomac, and at 9000 feet, take at least some wide bodies and do transatlantics.

Transatlantics wouldn't work - no customs/immigration at DCA.

During construction nights, anything landing after 11pm must land on runway 15/33 (5200 feet)

Started Last week.

Transatlantics wouldn't work - no customs/immigration at DCA.

there is for private flights. i sort of recall customs in the way back when. st thomas, bermuda and san juan wer done at location, but i sort of recall coming from canada in the 60's and think i went through customs somewhere at dca. also recall a duty free.

just because there is no c/i now no reason not to put one in

hoover had c/i.

During construction nights, anything landing after 11pm must land on runway 15/33 (5200 feet)

Started Last week.

Nice to know - my place will be a bit louder now...but at least it will be nice to watch planes come in (and in the rare case, leave) after 23h00.

I'll try to get some pictures of some planes coming low (if they come in going SouthEast) onto the Runway and take some pictures...

-jeremy

Transatlantics wouldn't work - no customs/immigration at DCA.

They could selectively allow TATL's that have preclearance facilities at departure, like SNN.

Of course, then they'd have to rename the airport, and it would be even more confusing when people still call it "National".

They could selectively allow TATL's that have preclearance facilities at departure, like SNN.

Of course, then they'd have to rename the airport, and it would be even more confusing when people still call it "National".

they had direct flights to canada, & bermuda. are those gone?

they had direct flights to canada, & bermuda. are those gone?

No, they are not gone. DCA does still served nonstop DCA-BDA/YYZ/YUL/YOW.

With regard to multiple comments on this thread:

Customs/Immigration are cleared in Canada and Bermuda respectively for non-stops from these locations.

I think the EPA would probably object to extending the runway, by filling in the Potomac. As I am under the flight path, I personally would object as well. It is bad enough as it is.


Many people still use the name National because that is still the airport's name, just like we call BWI by that name rather than Marshall.

Transatlantics wouldn't work - no customs/immigration at DCA.

It also won't work because there is a rule that DCA cannot have flights over 1,250 miles. They have some exceptions that amount to maybe a dozen flights per day heading out west. But it's a political hot potato.

http://upgrd.com/matthew/changes-proposed-for-dcas-perimeter-rule.html

With regard to multiple comments on this thread:

Customs/Immigration are cleared in Canada and Bermuda respectively for non-stops from these locations.



This is correct. Certain governments have arrangements with the US Government to allow US CBP to do customs clearance in secure areas within certain airports on foreign soil.

19 CFR Sec. 101.5 provides the list:

Orangestad, Aruba
Freeport, Bahamas
Nassau, Bahamas
Bermuda
Shannon, Ireland
8 cities in Canada including Montreal, Ottawa, and Toronto

It also won't work because there is a rule that DCA cannot have flights over 1,250 miles. They have some exceptions that amount to maybe a dozen flights per day heading out west. But it's a political hot potato.

http://upgrd.com/matthew/changes-proposed-for-dcas-perimeter-rule.html

There are 12 beyond perimeter non-stops each day

3x PHX
1x LAS
2x SEA
1x LAX
4x DEN
1x SLC

More are proposed.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/05/reagan-runway-gets-a-facelift-60804.html

Washington-Nationals to get facelift a new runway for first-time since 1990s. It will plans to start constructed new runway & taxiway, too.

A little misleading on the title. There are no new runways. They are rehabilitating the existing main 1/19 runway...

I think the EPA would probably object to extending the runway, by filling in the Potomac. As I am under the flight path, I personally would object as well. It is bad enough as it is.

Interesting...I'm curious where you are, but for me, the planes are barely noticeable, aside from the select few (MD-80s, etc) that I have to really try to listen to, otherwise, I wouldn't even know it.

I hear way more activity from the helicopters going to the south side of the airport and naturally the helicopters going to and from the pentagon (I'm on the North End of the airport, obviously).

I don't think the noise is bad at all, and especially with the minimal amount of flights in the evening, I don't know how people complain at all.

-jeremy

Interesting...I'm curious where you are, but for me, the planes are barely noticeable, aside from the select few (MD-80s, etc) that I have to really try to listen to, otherwise, I wouldn't even know it.

I hear way more activity from the helicopters going to the south side of the airport and naturally the helicopters going to and from the pentagon (I'm on the North End of the airport, obviously).

I don't think the noise is bad at all, and especially with the minimal amount of flights in the evening, I don't know how people complain at all.

-jeremy

The worst noise polluter is from a plane that can't really even fly beyond perimeter from DCA - the MD-80 and their hushkitted engines.

Heck, you would think that reasonable folks would encourage additional beyond perimeter flights as it would often introduce 757s which have a higher climb rate than smaller jets.

This is correct. Certain governments have arrangements with the US Government to allow US CBP to do customs clearance in secure areas within certain airports on foreign soil.

19 CFR Sec. 101.5 provides the list:

Orangestad, Aruba
Freeport, Bahamas
Nassau, Bahamas
Bermuda
Shannon, Ireland
8 cities in Canada including Montreal, Ottawa, and Toronto

I would add Dublin,Ireland to that list also.

I would add Dublin,Ireland to that list also.

Really? Is that new? I went through in 2009 and I cleared customs in DUB (I left from DCA-PHL-DUB) on the inbound and back in PHL (per usual) on the return...

If this is the case, It would be interesting - but a neat flight from Reagan!

-jeremy

The worst noise polluter is from a plane that can't really even fly beyond perimeter from DCA - the MD-80 and their hushkitted engines.

Heck, you would think that reasonable folks would encourage additional beyond perimeter flights as it would often introduce 757s which have a higher climb rate than smaller jets.

Good call - I'd encourage long flights as well, and I live less than a half mile from the end (or beginning, depending on the direction of the landing) of the runways...

Also, the prop planes (usually on the short runway) are noticeable if you really listen in, but frankly, I have no issue with noise from Reagan airplanes, even when the late arrivals or departures (post 00h00 delays) come in.

-jeremy

Really? Is that new? I went through in 2009 and I cleared customs in DUB (I left from DCA-PHL-DUB) on the inbound and back in PHL (per usual) on the return...

If this is the case, It would be interesting - but a neat flight from Reagan!

-jeremy

Yes, it's fairly new. Don't recall when exactly but definitely after 2009. Dublin and Shannon used to just have pre clearance for Immigration but now they have it for Customs too. It can save a lot of time returning to the US, you arrive just as if you're on a domestic flight.

Transatlantics wouldn't work - no customs/immigration at DCA.

Pre-clearance abroad could be done even as there isn't a proper CBP facility at DCA to handle passengers on common carriers. Add in perimeter exceptions and a longer runway, and it would work whether or not commercially sustainable.

Interesting...I'm curious where you are, but for me, the planes are barely noticeable, aside from the select few (MD-80s, etc) that I have to really try to listen to, otherwise, I wouldn't even know it.

I hear way more activity from the helicopters going to the south side of the airport and naturally the helicopters going to and from the pentagon (I'm on the North End of the airport, obviously).

I don't think the noise is bad at all, and especially with the minimal amount of flights in the evening, I don't know how people complain at all.

-jeremy

you must live under the helicopter runs. i live under the evening landing path. i think the minimal flights in the evening (landings) hardly ever exceeds 30/hr. how far from the flight path do you live. "the river visual" from the south is run over the MD shoreline. in the real evenings(til 2am), the flights out running south are about 2/hour.

the heli's seem no longer to be stored at quantico, so that noise is eliminated. during bush, and before, 2 or 3 sets of 5x heli would fly up the md shoreline in formation.

you must live under the helicopter runs. i live under the evening landing path. i think the minimal flights in the evening (landings) hardly ever exceeds 30/hr. how far from the flight path do you live. "the river visual" from the south is run over the MD shoreline. in the real evenings(til 2am), the flights out running south are about 2/hour.

the heli's seem no longer to be stored at quantico, so that noise is eliminated. during bush, and before, 2 or 3 sets of 5x heli would fly up the md shoreline in formation.

I'm two blocks south of the Pentagon and about four blocks West of the Airport and River - so my noise would theoretically be fairly loud from planes and helicopters, but either I don't complain as most residents (thinking Orange County, CA) or I'm deaf...although at around 00h50 last night [this morning] there was a fairly noticeable takeoff (I believe) which must have used the shorter/angled runway - and if I was asleep at that time there would be no way i'd hear it at all.

-jeremy

Yes, it's fairly new. Don't recall when exactly but definitely after 2009. Dublin and Shannon used to just have pre clearance for Immigration but now they have it for Customs too. It can save a lot of time returning to the US, you arrive just as if you're on a domestic flight.

Wow - that is actually really good news and to think that there could be flights to Europe (albeit Ireland) from DCA would be amazing...it's kind of like the thought of the 'Club World British Airways' type flight - where people could go from the heart of Washington to somewhere in Europe!

-jeremy

Wow - that is actually really good news and to think that there could be flights to Europe (albeit Ireland) from DCA would be amazing...it's kind of like the thought of the 'Club World British Airways' type flight - where people could go from the heart of Washington to somewhere in Europe!

-jeremy

The question is: Would you run into the same problems that they have at London City - the runways being too short to allow a fully fuel-loaded plane from taking off?

As far as where I live - the planes fly directly over my house as they approach DCA from the North on instruments. Take-off isn't an issue. Clear days aren't much of a problem when they follow the river - but when the storm clouds gather, the house shakes with each passing plane.

The question is: Would you run into the same problems that they have at London City - the runways being too short to allow a fully fuel-loaded plane from taking off?

As far as where I live - the planes fly directly over my house as they approach DCA from the North on instruments. Take-off isn't an issue. Clear days aren't much of a problem when they follow the river - but when the storm clouds gather, the house shakes with each passing plane.

The issue on LCY-JFK is the plane does not safely have the range to make it all the way - IIRC. And the LCY runway is 5,000 feet in length - giving no margin of error for a loaded A-318.

01/19 at DCA is about 6,900 feet which is more than sufficient for a A-318.

Now that I think about it, this would be an amazing flight - London to Washington. I bet that BA or US or somebody would make a ton of money off this flight.

But, DCA is a good 180 miles further than JFK...

Anyone know if an all business A319 could make it unrefueled?