SkyTeam - Shopping list for Skyteam?

I am sure we all have different ideas about which airlines they would wish to have join Skyteam. Here is my wish list.

UL
9W
EK or EY
VS

Ba
aa
us
ua
co
sq
ac
tn
la

my needs are simple. just QF for solid ST->Oceania coverage.

And while you are at it a pony, world peace and being less shallow would be nice.

Ba
aa
us
ua
co
sq
ac
tn
la

Good luck :p

Good luck :p

You said wish list.

You said wish list.

Yeah, but I didn't think you would set common sense aside. :p

I would be happy with BR, but looks like the get the ugly sister, CI.

Would not VA be the obvious choice for this region? [Edit, not really the same region, but as close as I can come]

Or to be simple, the entire Virgin collection.

Yeah, but I didn't think you would set common sense aside. :p

Uh this is FT... That's either gate checked or checked to your final destination

Uh this is FT... That's either gate checked or checked to your final destination

And often lost forever somewhere in between... :D

B6 gotta have another domestic carrier

My wishes list for which airlines is going to have joins SkyTeam.

UL
MH
UU
EK
VS
DJ
GA
EI
JM
VH
AR
RK
AH
DA
PC
LD
MK
5T
FJ
TN
UP
LZ
PG
OU
CY
BR
3P
HA
MJ
WT
PR
PK
PH
AT
RA
EH
IE
DT
UN
TU
PS

There are some of us, even very frequent flyers, who don't have the two letter abbreviations for every airline in the world memorized, and who don't know how to quickly decode them (or who don't have the patience to decode long lists one-by-one). How about posting your "dream teams" in human-readable form so us mere mortals can enjoy the fun? :)

B6 gotta have another domestic carrier

If we're trying to apply some sense, where does B6 go that Delta doesn't?

There are some of us, even very frequent flyers, who don't have the two letter abbreviations for every airline in the world memorized, and who don't know how to quickly decode them (or who don't have the patience to decode long lists one-by-one). How about posting your "dream teams" in human-readable form so us mere mortals can enjoy the fun? :)

Agreed

There are some of us, even very frequent flyers, who don't have the two letter abbreviations for every airline in the world memorized, and who don't know how to quickly decode them (or who don't have the patience to decode long lists one-by-one). How about posting your "dream teams" in human-readable form so us mere mortals can enjoy the fun? :)

I understand your frustration. I have, on numerous occasions, have had to look up the lis of airline codes.

There are some of us, even very frequent flyers, who don't have the two letter abbreviations for every airline in the world memorized, and who don't know how to quickly decode them (or who don't have the patience to decode long lists one-by-one). How about posting your "dream teams" in human-readable form so us mere mortals can enjoy the fun? :)

Sorry. Quantas for me. Just Quantas for coverage between Australia and Europe speaking as a STElite who's about to relocate temporarily. ST has too much coverage over Europe (the europeans may disagree) compared to what we have down under.

And it'll never happen so I can only dream.

Uh this is FT... That's either gate checked or checked to your final destination

Gotcha. And some carry it with them and others. Some never find it the final destination while some never had anything to check at the gate or anywhere else. FT is a microcosm of the world we live in.

Sorry. Quantas for me. Just Quantas for coverage between Australia and Europe speaking as a STElite who's about to relocate temporarily. ST has too much coverage over Europe (the europeans may disagree) compared to what we have down under.

And it'll never happen so I can only dream.
Wouldn't bringing the Virgin group on board take care of most of what QF could bring? There'd be TPAC and Oz/NZ from VA and EU-Down Under via VS. To get more EU connections working through AMS and CDG, perhaps a focus city or something in SIN or HKG where you could seamlessly switch from VA/VS to AF/KL or vice versa. (Oh, and it's Qantas, btw, no u.)

Sorry. Quantas for me. Just Quantas for coverage between Australia and Europe speaking as a STElite who's about to relocate temporarily. ST has too much coverage over Europe (the europeans may disagree) compared to what we have down under.

And it'll never happen so I can only dream.

I didn't know people were going to lust after airlines already hitched to other alliances. An alliance could tempt an airline out of another alliance. But that is a different involving a different sets of issues and caters more to personal taste then widening the coverage of Skyteam.

P.S. I am assuming that the Virgin Australia and/or Virgin Atlnatic and their affiliates are on the way to joining Skyteam.

Skyteam also needs a stronger alliance with full accruaa and redemption.
If Skyteam gets 9W, then UL might be redundant.

Wouldn't bringing the Virgin group on board take care of most of what QF could bring? There'd be TPAC and Oz/NZ from VA and EU-Down Under via VS. To get more EU connections working through AMS and CDG, perhaps a focus city or something in SIN or HKG where you could seamlessly switch from VA/VS to AF/KL or vice versa. (Oh, and it's Qantas, btw, no u.)
Maybe we can tow Australia to a location off the Atlantic coast of Europe. Towing New Zealand would be a cinch then. ;)

Maybe we can tow Australia to a location off the Atlantic coast of Europe. Towing New Zealand would be a cinch then. ;)
It seems that would be a way to bring about some significant climate change that everyone will believe is happening. :D

Flour
Cheese (real)
Sugar
Ground Beef
Soda
Shampoo
Deodorant
Baking soda
Chocolate Chips
Milk
Ice
Butter
Batteries

MH (Malaysia Airlines)
one of the Gulf-area airlines (no, SV (Saudi Arabian Airlnies) doesn't count -- EK, QR or EY, though I know it will never happen)

But continuing recent trends I actually predict the next member will be JS (Air Koryo). And also that FTers will complain that JS gives 0% mileage for many discounted Y fares and only 50% mileage for many others, and that their award redemption calendar is broken...:p

I understand your frustration. I have, on numerous occasions, have had to look up the lis of airline codes.

Cool! :cool: Would you mind starting the trend by decoding your list(s)? :)

Flour
Cheese (real)
Sugar
Ground Beef
Soda
Shampoo
Deodorant
Baking soda
Chocolate Chips
Milk
Ice
Butter
Batteries

I have never flown on any of these airlines. As a matter of fact, I have never even heard of them, let alone about their codes. :D

OR are you one of those who gate checked it, or never had anything to check? :p

Cool! :cool: Would you mind starting the trend by decoding your list(s)? :)

Actually, the codes I have mentioned, with the exception of maybe UL, are of well know airlines with international operations spread over as many as four continents. Google is your friend. I am more concerned about names such as flour, Cheese (real), Sugar, Ground Beef, soda, Shampoo, Deodorant, Baking soda, Chocolate Chips, Milk, Ice, Butter, Batteries. You help me with the above codes, then if you are unable to find the airlines whose codes I have mentioned, I will help try to help you. :)

I have never flown on any of these airlines. As a matter of fact, I have never even heard of them, let alone about their codes. :D

OR are you one of those who gate checked it, or never had anything to check? :p

Here I was, thinking SkyTeam was going to bake me a nice cake and serve a nice meal.

What is leftover once the pretty ones join Star and 1W.

What is leftover once the pretty ones join Star and 1W.
How's MS working out for you guys?

(Ducks and hides since we got stuck with the looker that is SV.)

What is leftover once the pretty ones join Star and 1W.

Oh yes, Star Alliance, home to the stunning Egyptair, the gorgeous LOT Polish, the beautiful Spanair, the amazing US Airways, and soon, the crown jewel of them all, Air India!

"my alliance is bigger than yours"
:D

Scotty, i don't think LZ will be joining anytime soon. I promise. FB might, but it might be the LOT of Skyteam haha


Flour
Cheese (real)
Sugar
Ground Beef
Soda
Shampoo
Deodorant
Baking soda
Chocolate Chips
Milk
Ice
Butter
Batteries


You are a funny dude :D
p.s. i don't see
woodford
stirrings(tm) mojito mix

How's MS working out for you guys?

(Ducks and hides since we got stuck with the looker that is SV.)

Dunno, I've been boinking only the pretty ones.

Oh yes, Star Alliance, home to the stunning Egyptair, the gorgeous LOT Polish, the beautiful Spanair, the amazing US Airways, and soon, the crown jewel of them all, Air India!

All of which represent ways to redeem miles at the low level. Have you heard of that term?

All of which represent ways to redeem miles at the low level. Have you heard of that term?

Nah, no need to 'lower' myself or my family to those levels....you can have those prom queens all to yourself...

Actually, the codes I have mentioned, with the exception of maybe UL, are of well know airlines with international operations spread over as many as four continents. Google is your friend. I am more concerned about names such as flour, Cheese (real), Sugar, Ground Beef, soda, Shampoo, Deodorant, Baking soda, Chocolate Chips, Milk, Ice, Butter, Batteries. You help me with the above codes, then if you are unable to find the airlines whose codes I have mentioned, I will help try to help you. :)

I've made an attempt at going through and picking them out, but I may have missed some - here goes:

UL
9W
EK or EY
VS

tn
la

BR CI

B6


UL
UU
EK
DJ
GA
EI
JM
VH
AR
RK
AH
DA
PC
LD
MK
5T
FJ
TN
UP
LZ
PG
OU
CY
BR
3P
HA
MJ
WT
PR
PK
PH
AT
RA
EH
IE
DT
UN
TU
PS


MS
SV

LZ FB

N830MH takes the cake by far for finding the most two character combinations :)

Thanks in advance for your offer to help!

Here I was, thinking SkyTeam was going to bake me a nice cake and serve a nice meal.

Some nerve for an F0 :D
However, next time you get an upgrade, tell her DYKWIA and ask her to bake a cake for you. If she refuses, complain.

All of which represent ways to redeem miles at the low level. Have you heard of that term?
Why yes, yes I have. I just redeemed several low-level awards and have redeemed many in the past. Have fun flying the exotic Egyptair and the glorious US Airways. And you can even use your miles on UNITED, the shining jewel of the friendly skies!

MH (Malaysia Airlines)
one of the Gulf-area airlines (no, SV (Saudi Arabian Airlnies) doesn't count -- EK, QR or EY, though I know it will never happen)

But continuing recent trends I actually predict the next member will be JS (Air Koryo). And also that FTers will complain that JS gives 0% mileage for many discounted Y fares and only 50% mileage for many others, and that their award redemption calendar is broken...:p

NW, and Skyteam have been dating MH for a long time. NW had even started a flight to KUL. You can earn miles on AF/KL FF programme. DL is just afraid to make a commitment. Is MH not good enough for DL?

What MH can do, can be done by 9W also. The same thing goes for UL. Buy bagging 9W bings in a decent airline and opens up opportunities to earn miles between India and other points in Asia. I am not agai8nst MH, but if there is a choice between MH and 9W (or even AI) I would prefer the other.
One or more of EK, EY, QR would be stupendous.

What is leftover once the pretty ones join Star and 1W.
We'd rather have the smart one rather than pretty and dumb. :D

I've made an attempt at going through and picking them out, but I may have missed some - here goes:

Thanks in advance for your offer to help!

It seems you are making me work for nothing./ However,
UL-Sri Lanka Airlines
EK-Emirate
EY-Etihad
9W-Jet Airways
VS-Virgin Atlantic

for the rest Aviation Reference Desk (http://www.avrefdesk.com/two_letter_codes_by_code.htm)

It seems you are making me work for nothing./ However,
UL-Sri Lanka Airlines
EK-Emirate
EY-Etihad
9W-Jet Airways
VS-Virgin Atlantic

for the rest Aviation Reference Desk (http://www.avrefdesk.com/two_letter_codes_by_code.htm)

ooops, sorry, I knew VS and meant to delete it. For the others, thanks!

Sri Lanka has an airline? Who would have thunk it? :D Obviously, I've heard of Emirates and Etihad, but we don't get them exotic type airlines in PHL, ATL or DAB :D I've vaguely heard of Jet (I thought they were a budget airline in Pakistan or something - I'll have to research them since, apparently, I'm probably wrong :o )

Why yes, yes I have. I just redeemed several low-level awards and have redeemed many in the past. Have fun flying the exotic Egyptair and the glorious US Airways. And you can even use your miles on UNITED, the shining jewel of the friendly skies!

How many hours before departure? 2 or 2.5?

ooops, sorry, I knew VS and meant to delete it. For the others, thanks!

Sri Lanka has an airline? Who would have thunk it? :D Obviously, I've heard of Emirates and Etihad, but we don't get them exotic type airlines in PHL, ATL or DAB :D I've vaguely heard of Jet (I thought they were a budget airline in Pakistan or something - I'll have to research them since, apparently, I'm probably wrong :o )

Yes, Srilanka does have an airline. I am told Sri Lanka is a good place to visit. Few years ago,you could buy a really cheap RTW ticket starting in CMB.
(Colombo, Sri Lanka)

Emirate, Etihad and Qatar Airways are said to have really nice premium cabin.

Jet Airways is not a Pakistani LCC. But a full fledged airline from India, thought to be much better than AI (Air India). I found AI to be quite decent in economy, certainly better than DL. I don;t know if they still do it, but a few years ago, they offered PDB (non alcoholic) in coach too. More flights on Jet would have meal service than DL does, even in coach.

Yes, Srilanka does have an airline. I am told Sri Lanka is a good place to visit. Few years ago,you could buy a really cheap RTW ticket starting in CMB.
(Colombo, Sri Lanka)
I've always wanted to go to Sri Lanka but the civil strife has always put me off. Come to think of it, I've not heard anything in the news in years. I should research it. It may have settled down. Perhaps it's time to research a trip. I wonder if SkyTeam can somehow get me there? :)

Emirate, Etihad and Qatar Airways are said to have really nice premium cabin.
For a short while, Emirates was available to Delta for SkyMiles awards and, I believe, some folks were even able to get Suites. As usual, Delta quickly figured out that people were actually redeeming SkyMiles for something desirable, and quickly dumped Emirates. :mad: I still can't figure out why Delta hasn't picked up RyanAir as a SkyMiles award partner. Probably because Delta figures that RyanAir is too premium for Delta customers :rolleyes:

Jet Airways is not a Pakistani LCC. But a full fledged airline from India, thought to be much better than AI (Air India). I found AI to be quite decent in economy, certainly better than DL. I don;t know if they still do it, but a few years ago, they offered PDB (non alcoholic) in coach too. More flights on Jet would have meal service than DL does, even in coach.

Cool, thanks for the scoop!

Oh yes, Star Alliance, home to the stunning Egyptair, the gorgeous LOT Polish, the beautiful Spanair, the amazing US Airways, and soon, the crown jewel of them all, Air India!

Actually, AI is expect to joins into Star Alliance sometimes in July 2011.


N830MH takes the cake by far for finding the most two character combinations :)

Thanks in advance for your offer to help!

You can lookup on airlines code and here it is:

http://www.avrefdesk.com/two_letter_airline_codes.htm

How many hours before departure? 2 or 2.5?

Actually it varied from a few weeks before to a few months before.

My biggest "feasible want" (ones that I actually think have a chance of joining) would be the Virgin Airlines (Atlantic, Australia, and maybe even America)--they would definitely be a great addition to Skyteam. As well as MH. Although EK would be nice too. :D

I still can't figure out why Delta hasn't picked up RyanAir as a SkyMiles award partner. Probably because Delta figures that RyanAir is too premium for Delta customers :rolleyes:


Just wait until FR (RyanAir) starts TATL service. I'm getting ITH gets in on renaming its airport "New York City (Ithaca)". MHT will probably try to get Boston into its name. Oh, and for FR TATL, see this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfIY24BErBE). (The video is fine at work, but don't have your speakers up too loud for some of the comments he makes at the end.)

Any interest in S4?

Actually, AI is expect to joins into Star Alliance sometimes in July 2011.



You can lookup on airlines code and here it is:

http://www.avrefdesk.com/two_letter_airline_codes.htm

Not your list - I don't have that long to live :D :D :D

9W is good for the subcontinent.
MH is as good for the Pacific rim option.
The virgin group will patch some holes to Australia but not NZ.
Any One of the gulf carriers will make it work well.
Given Dubai's cash problems, the Abu Dhabi one may be more stable over the long term.

The new home for this thread is now the SkyTeam forum.

Regards,

Canarsie
Co-Moderator, Delta SkyMiles forum

9W is good for the subcontinent.
MH is as good for the Pacific rim option.
The virgin group will patch some holes to Australia but not NZ.
Any One of the gulf carriers will make it work well.
Given Dubai's cash problems, the Abu Dhabi one may be more stable over the long term.
But SkyTeam has already invited a Gulf carrier in the form of SV. Oh, wait, did you mean one of the respected Gulf carriers?

Speaking of SV, I suppose I should write up the first segment of my TR on SV J, LHR-RUH.

But SkyTeam has already invited a Gulf carrier in the form of SV. Oh, wait, did you mean one of the respected Gulf carriers?

Yeah, it seems that ST doesn't make good choices in who it entrains into it. That or you have airlines that are joining the alliance to give themselves a boot in the fanny to up their standard or so they can lean on the better carriers among them (you pick).

Bangkok Airways, Hong Kong Airways, Porter Airlines and the entire Virgin group (more so Virgin Atlantic and Australia and less so Virgin America and Air Nigeria)

Yeah, it seems that ST doesn't make good choices in who it entrains into it. That or you have airlines that are joining the alliance to give themselves a boot in the fanny to up their standard or so they can lean on the better carriers among them (you pick).

SV for a partner is a joke. So is MEA. The last time I heard of MEA was about 4 decades ago. Father of one my friends in school was stationed in Beirut.

SV for a partner is a joke. So is MEA. The last time I heard of MEA was about 4 decades ago. Father of one my friends in school was stationed in Beirut.

I wouldn't quite say that. It all depends on you travel patterns. Not unusual to see MEA throughout Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Airlines_destinations

Bangkok Airways, Hong Kong Airways, Porter Airlines and the entire Virgin group (more so Virgin Atlantic and Australia and less so Virgin America and Air Nigeria)

Hongkong Airways? Other than the Virgin group these choices don't give more choices, add few destinations or increase mileage earning opportunity significantly. The distances involved for destinations covered by the regional airlines are so small that not having the ability to earn miles is not a big loss.

I wouldn't quite say that. It all depends on you travel patterns. Not unusual to see MEA throughout Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Airlines_destinations
Yes, your travel patterns do make a difference. I will avoid Saudia to the best of my ability. I can assure you that no alcohol policy is not the primary reason.

Yes, your travel patterns do make a difference. I will avoid Saudia to the best of my ability. I can assure you that no alcohol policy is not the primary reason.
+1

Trip report coming, but even in J, I would prefer never to fly them again. Alas, I do hope to get a chance to return to KSA, and since my invitation comes from a university (i.e., the government), I don't get a choice in the matter.

Air India.

(as I believe they could not make it for the July 31 deadline, so...

Star Alliance would not accept Air India and go with Jet Airways instead...

SkyTeam is left with the only choice which is Air India)

Air India.

(as I believe they could not make it for the July 31 deadline, so...

Star Alliance would not accept Air India and go with Jet Airways instead...

SkyTeam is left with the only choice which is Air India)
All this speculation. It really does not matter whether AI joins Star or not. Either of Jet Airways or Air India would be a nice addition to Skyteam.

All this speculation. It really does not matter whether AI joins Star or not. Either of Jet Airways or Air India would be a nice addition to Skyteam.

They have to decide to choosing Jet Airways or Air India will joins into ST or Star Alliance. That will be a logical choices for both of them. Why can't have one the time? Lets wait and see. Whether if AI or 9W will expect to joins into Alliance or not. They have 1 carrier in Indian and not 2. It should have to keep separate the SkyTeam or Star.

More realistic, perhaps, than the big three EK, EY, QR, and certainly far better than SV. These are both nice carriers (well, it seems -- I have never flown WY) that would add the intra-GCC dimension, excellent coverage of the Indian sub-continent, and very viable connection options from Europe to east Asia.

More realistic, perhaps, than the big three EK, EY, QR, and certainly far better than SV. These are both nice carriers (well, it seems -- I have never flown WY) that would add the intra-GCC dimension, excellent coverage of the Indian sub-continent, and very viable connection options from Europe to east Asia.

I have never flown Oman, but I did fly GF once. They codeshared with AA on the transatlantic portion. AA would not even give miles for the legs flown on GF. I did not like them very much. I have also never flown EK, EY or QR, although I was booked to fly QR between LHR and HKG, so I don;t know if EK,EY and QR are any better. I am relying on those who have travelled these airlines.

Unfortunately for me and Malaysia Airlines will joins Oneworld Alliance.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-airlines-to-join-oneworld-alliance?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper.

Very extremely disappointed the news for AF & MH didn't go for Skyteam. MH was more favorable to joins the SkyTeam. MH wants to made a decision to joins oneworld Alliance. This is not good day for Skyteam. DL will be no longer codeshare & SkyMiles FF program.

Unfortunately for me and Malaysia Airlines will joins Oneworld Alliance.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-airlines-to-join-oneworld-alliance?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper.

Very extremely disappointed the news for AF & MH didn't go for Skyteam. MH was more favorable to joins the SkyTeam. MH wants to made a decision to joins oneworld Alliance. This is not good day for Skyteam. DL will be no longer codeshare & SkyMiles FF program.

This is not a good development for Skyteam. I wonder what exactly were the reasons for this on MH's part (and on Skyteam's part). But we will probably never know.

This is not a good development for Skyteam. I wonder what exactly were the reasons for this on MH's part (and on Skyteam's part). But we will probably never know.

MH probably looked at VN's hub in SGN and GA's in CGK and figured they were too close (much like SIN and BKK in Star would have been). In OW the closest hubs would be Hong Kong and Australia. A couple of years ago there was merger speculation involving Malaysian and Qantas so not surprising QF being their sponsor into OW.

Maybe someone at ST dropped the ball but probably strategically better to get VN and GA - much larger domestic markets with travel growth potential.

Unfortunately for me and Malaysia Airlines will joins Oneworld Alliance.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-airlines-to-join-oneworld-alliance?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper.

Very extremely disappointed the news for AF & MH didn't go for Skyteam. MH was more favorable to joins the SkyTeam. MH wants to made a decision to joins oneworld Alliance. This is not good day for Skyteam. DL will be no longer codeshare & SkyMiles FF program.

Excellent news, finally something good. Here I was worried one of the pretty girls might get snapped up by DL & Co.

Unfortunately for me and Malaysia Airlines will joins Oneworld Alliance.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-airlines-to-join-oneworld-alliance?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper.

Very extremely disappointed the news for AF & MH didn't go for Skyteam. MH was more favorable to joins the SkyTeam. MH wants to made a decision to joins oneworld Alliance. This is not good day for Skyteam. DL will be no longer codeshare & SkyMiles FF program.

It wasn't a part of Skyteam and DL flyers couldn't earn MQMs on MH anyway. For me, it's not a big loss.
MH wanted to join SkyTeam. Why was it made to wait?
SkyTeam does desperately need an Indian carrier. Either of 9W or AI would do.

Excellent news, finally something good. Here I was worried one of the pretty girls might get snapped up by DL & Co.

You have to depend on airlines for your dating needs? :D

Either of 9W or AI would do.

Actually, AI will expected to joining into Star Alliance sometime in July 2011. If the scheduled is running on-time to get one step closer AI entry into Star Alliance.

More realistic, perhaps, than the big three EK, EY, QR, and certainly far better than SV. These are both nice carriers (well, it seems -- I have never flown WY) that would add the intra-GCC dimension, excellent coverage of the Indian sub-continent, and very viable connection options from Europe to east Asia.

I have travelled on GF many years ago, I liked KU better.