Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus - TG to lease 2 more B77W from Jet Airways

According to the board meeting results, posted on the Thai section of the company's website, Thai has entered into an agreement to lease 2 more B777-300ER's from Jet Airways with delivery dates in October and November. This is to replace 2 B744's which will be sent to Boeing for cargo conversion. Any ideas on where these 2 'new' birds will fly to?

I think they will put on the most profitable route, or route with huge competition from other Airlines that they didn't code-shared with. So some of my guesses would be:
BKK-Europe like LHR, AMS, LH hub, SK hub
BKK-DBX?
BKK-HND?

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Rabbz_StarAlliance

So no possibility for the NYC area?

Seems that Frankfurt would be a possible route as well.

Will these birds be the returned TK ones?

So no possibility for the NYC area?

I think they'd use a 345 on that route if they brought it back.

Since TG uses the 77W NRT-BKK-CDG, I would suspect they would use these two something like HKG-BKK-LHR/FRA. If it is HKG-BKK-FRA, I would suggest calling it "the FlyerTalk Mileage Award Express", given how many people try to route through CDG these days. :)

I would also think they'll be sending 747 All Series in to be converted. Less chance of being "TG'ed" on a 744 route.

I think they'd use a 345 on that route if they brought it back.

The 77W's don't have the range to go to NYC non-stop and the 345's won't come back on that route, probably ever, unless fuel gets really cheap and is forecast to stay that way for a long time. The economics with the 345 just don't work, as has been discussed here before.

The only way a 77W would get to NYC is if TG gets creative, perhaps a routing through DXB (or AUH) and on to NYC. This way they could kill the codeshare to DXB with EK and probably have reasonable loads / yields on both segments, especially given that the jet 77Ws would have nicer amenities up front (to compete with Arab airlines) than the rest of the TG fleet.

The 77W's don't have the range to go to NYC non-stop and the 345's won't come back on that route, probably ever, unless fuel gets really cheap and is forecast to stay that way for a long time. The economics with the 345 just don't work, as has been discussed here before.

The only way a 77W would get to NYC is if TG gets creative, perhaps a routing through DXB (or AUH) and on to NYC. This way they could kill the codeshare to DXB with EK and probably have reasonable loads / yields on both segments, especially given that the jet 77Ws would have nicer amenities up front (to compete with Arab airlines) than the rest of the TG fleet.

I once discussed the JFK-BKK route with a CO Airlines executive and he said such extra long routes are flying "fuel-tankers" that burn a lot of fuel just to haul the fuel. The price of fuel may never drop low enough to make it economical with the 345.

AUH would be nice. SQ does several one-stop flights to the US:

Seoul -SFO
NRT-LAX
Moscow-Houston
Frankfurt-JFK

To connect with United/CO, a thought would be a Newark flight: BKK-AUH-EWR-AUH-BKK.

It was always a big hassle to get to JFK on US Airways, to connect to the JFK-BKK nonstop. (Without using JetBlue or DL)

I have a BKK-FRA flight for January, and would like to see this plane. I did CDG-BKK in March and it was a real nice flight, except dinner.

This is great news-a real upgrade for Thai's ancient fleet. I think that it is worth mentioning that Thai utilizes its aircraft in strange ways. I flown the converted Jet 777 as well as a 777-200 which has the newest generation of Royal Silk business class seat on flights from BKK-HKT. It seems a bit daft to utilize such large and sophisticated aircraft on such a short hop down to the Islands. One would think that they would be going at least as far as HKG or Japan-as at least one of the converted Jet 777's do now.

I am not sure if this has been addressed in other forums, but Thai really seems to have one of the most bizare and poorly utilized mix of aircraft of any international airline I've seen. I have heard that the Thai government ownership is a constant issue-politicians forcing TG to maintain unprofitable routes and interfering in aircraft purchases-like the A380 which is going to be a White Elephant for the airline if they ever actually take delivery. One can only hope that the Thai government sells their majority share in the airline (there is talk of it going from 51 to 49% ownership). Personally, I am impressed that TG is leasing these 777's. Maybe there is hope!

So some of my guesses would be:
BKK-Europe like AMS

Apart from the fact that TG does not fly to AMS:D

This is great news-a real upgrade for Thai's ancient fleet. I think that it is worth mentioning that Thai utilizes its aircraft in strange ways. I flown the converted Jet 777 as well as a 777-200 which has the newest generation of Royal Silk business class seat on flights from BKK-HKT. It seems a bit daft to utilize such large and sophisticated aircraft on such a short hop down to the Islands. One would think that they would be going at least as far as HKG or Japan-as at least one of the converted Jet 777's do now.

I am not sure if this has been addressed in other forums, but Thai really seems to have one of the most bizare and poorly utilized mix of aircraft of any international airline I've seen. I have heard that the Thai government ownership is a constant issue-politicians forcing TG to maintain unprofitable routes and interfering in aircraft purchases-like the A380 which is going to be a White Elephant for the airline if they ever actually take delivery. One can only hope that the Thai government sells their majority share in the airline (there is talk of it going from 51 to 49% ownership). Personally, I am impressed that TG is leasing these 777's. Maybe there is hope!

Yet they have made profits almost every year they existed... they must be doing something right?

The use of large aircraft on domestic flights is often warranted, they fill up those 747s to CNX and HKT quite regularly with connecting traffic. Ever had a look at what JAL/ANA are doing on domestic in Japan, or what PAL do out of Manila domestically? From what I can tell they are using the aircraft on those domestic routes where they would otherwise be on the ground in BKK.

True about the profitability most years, but you have to say that it seems a bit like hitting a fly with a sledgehammer to fly a 77W to HKT when they could use other planes. From personal observation, these aircraft are usually about half full-which goes to my observation about how the planes are utilized and the way way the carrier is handcuffed by the Thai government. Why don't they have 737-8's or A320's flying this route? Yes, they don't have them (or in the 737 case they only have a few). Why-when they getting hammered by Air Asia and other budget carriers-I don't know. Aircraft only have a certain number of cycles in them it just seems a waste to use them on this route. I could maybe see them using their ancient 747's, with their lack of PTV, on this route before they would use their better planes.

Seems that Frankfurt would be a possible route as well.

Holy poopers! That would be awesome - and make me feel better after being lied to by US.

Here's my storoy...

I am going on my honeymoon to DPS and SIN on a great USDM F award (YVR-LAX-NRT//HND-BKK-DPS---SIN---BKK-FRA-YYC-YVR). I really wanted to try one of two things: Either the TG F suites (BKK-CDG) or the LH F ground treatment (BKK-FRA) - like the FCT.

When I called US I told them I wanted 2 F seats BKK-CDG, to which they said, "Sorry sir. It's only a two-cabin plane." Knowing that wasn't true, I called back at least five times, only to get the same answer each time. Not wanting to risk losing my other seats, I just said "F-it" (no pun intended) and just go via FRA for the full F treatment, FCT, etc...

Now though, if in fact the new Jet Airways leased birds will be taking the BKK-FRA route I get the best of both worlds; the suites in F, and the F treatment on the ground in FRA b/c I have a flight to YYC in LH F! WHOOHOO!!!!I would love this!

Any more specific speculations on dates though? My exact departure date is 11/27. I'm on flight TG922, which leaves BKK at 13:10 and arrives into FRA at 19:00.

Hit me with the truth guys... Do I really have a legit shot at this? Only thing that could make this better is LH announcing new A380 service from FRA-YYC. Haha - yea, that would be nice. :p

My bet is on the LHR route

The F suites are really nice. Would anyone recommed Asiana's First Class over Thai's F suite?

The F suites are really nice. Would anyone recommed Asiana's First Class over Thai's F suite?

It depends what is most important to you. Soft or hard product,

OZ F for great food, drink & service...and a pretty nice seat.

TG F for the suite (they are starting to show signs of wear and tear BTW) and ground services ex-BKK. Often very average quality food, good champagne, and service that could range from mediocre to great.

I've done the TG F suites a couple of times...I won't go out of my way to use them again. So if OZ F is a better routing I would choose that personally.

for an everyday BKK-Europe route them need 3 aircrafts.!
May be only ATH could work with 2.
But a 4/5 days per week service could be done with 2 aircrafts.
So the 2nd FRA service could it be.

I've done the TG F suites a couple of times...I won't go out of my way to use them again. So if OZ F is a better routing I would choose that personally.

While I have never tried TG F suites, I decided that LX F (older version, unfortunately) >> TG F, plus I'd be flying TG F for BKK-SYD so I wanted to try something else. To try TG F suites out of CDG, I had to back-track to CDG from FRA and this didn't sit well with several agents at UA when trying to ticket *A award oneway in F from South America (EZE).

While I have never tried TG F suites, I decided that LX F (older version, unfortunately) >> TG F, plus I'd be flying TG F for BKK-SYD so I wanted to try something else. To try TG F suites out of CDG, I had to back-track to CDG from FRA and this didn't sit well with several agents at UA when trying to ticket *A award oneway in F from South America (EZE).


Unless you were up against an MPM threshold I don't see why the FRA-CDG-BKK flight should be treated any different from FRA-ZRH-BKK. The former is about 350miles more than the latter.

As you're departing TG F ex BKK you'l get all the lounge access etc anyway.

If you were departing TG C ex BKK I would have recommended you find a way to take TG into BKK.

The F suites are really nice. Would anyone recommed Asiana's First Class over Thai's F suite?

OZ has a superb product.
Overalll I agree with yycworldtraveler.

Unless you were up against an MPM threshold I don't see why the FRA-CDG-BKK flight should be treated any different from FRA-ZRH-BKK. The former is about 350miles more than the latter.

As you're departing TG F ex BKK you'l get all the lounge access etc anyway.

If you were departing TG C ex BKK I would have recommended you find a way to take TG into BKK.

In a similar vein I had problems trying to get an award an award LHR-ZRH-CDG-BKK, but eventually got it ticketed.

goodo

It seems that the 3rd 773 is flying to CDG as TG932/933 (days 3/5/7):

[KVS Availability Tool 6.1.2/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US-STD] (http://www.KVSTool.com/?R)

Day 1 - MON ...

Day 2 - TUE ...

Day 3 - WED TG 932 BKK 12:40 CDG 19:40 773 0 --3-5-7
TG 933 CDG 21:40 BKK 13:55 +1 773 0 --3-5-7

Day 4 - THU ...

Day 5 - FRI TG 932 BKK 12:40 CDG 19:40 773 0 --3-5-7
TG 933 CDG 21:40 BKK 13:55 +1 773 0 --3-5-7

Day 6 - SAT ...

Day 7 - SUN TG 932 BKK 12:40 CDG 19:40 773 0 --3-5-7
TG 933 CDG 21:40 BKK 13:55 +1 773 0 --3-5-7

Here the already existing routing of TG's 773:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.1.2/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US-STD] (http://www.KVSTool.com/?R)

Daily TG 676 BKK 07:35 NRT 15:45 773 0 1234567
TG 677 NRT 16:55 BKK 21:25 773 0 1234567
TG 930 BKK 00:05 CDG 07:05 773 0 1234567
TG 931 CDG 13:40 BKK 05:55 +1 773 0 1234567

Edit:
p.s. sorry, had to correct my answer... the flights BKK-ATH-BKK were still booked as 2-class 773...

It seems that the 3rd 773 is flying to CDG as TG932/933 (days 3/5/7):




This has been the case since the 77W (or 77J) was introduced almost a year ago.

The 77W's don't have the range to go to NYC non-stop ....

According to Boeing (http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/777_range_ny.pdf), they do, though just barely. If TG thinks that it can make money on NYC/BKK nonstops, maybe it's time to buy the 772-LR, which (again, according to Boeing) can make the trip with plenty of range to spare.


It depends what is most important to you. Soft or hard product,

OZ F for great food, drink & service...and a pretty nice seat.

TG F for the suite (they are starting to show signs of wear and tear BTW) and ground services ex-BKK. Often very average quality food, good champagne, and service that could range from mediocre to great.

I've done the TG F suites a couple of times...I won't go out of my way to use them again. So if OZ F is a better routing I would choose that personally.

Haven't flown OZ F yet (but I will on May 30), but I completely agree with Yycworldtraveler's comments about TG.

Unless you were up against an MPM threshold I don't see why the FRA-CDG-BKK flight should be treated any different from FRA-ZRH-BKK. The former is about 350miles more than the latter.

As you're departing TG F ex BKK you'l get all the lounge access etc anyway.

If you were departing TG C ex BKK I would have recommended you find a way to take TG into BKK.

Routing restriction was a bit problematic for me to get to CDG as I am flying from EZE all the way to SYD on one award. I was up against 1) MPM (the routing via Europe and Asia is about 17K miles in distance whereas the MPM between EZE and SYD was around 8.8K miles via the pacific - obviously there are no *A carriers that flies this route) and 2) routing via CDG has backtracking issues and already going against the MPM issue, this was tough to push and the agent came back saying it's illeagal... blah blah.

Those 2 new birds are planned for FCO and MAD, according to a TG staff web board.

Puzzle me why they don't put this on more premium route such as LHR. I guess aircraft rotation might be the issue here since they only get 2 additional 77W.

Those 2 new birds are planned for FCO and MAD, according to a TG staff web board.

Puzzle me why they don't put this on more premium route such as LHR. I guess aircraft rotation might be the issue here since they only get 2 additional 77W.

Probably because of the significant drop in capacity.
F: 10 -> 8
C: 40 -> 30
Y: 325 -> 274

LHR/FRA need the capacity of the 744 whereas FCO and MAD probably don't. Just a guess.

Probably because of the significant drop in capacity.
F: 10 -> 8
C: 40 -> 30
Y: 325 -> 274

LHR/FRA need the capacity of the 744 whereas FCO and MAD probably don't. Just a guess.

NOOOO! Please let it be FRA, haha.

Probably because of the significant drop in capacity.
F: 10 -> 8
C: 40 -> 30
Y: 325 -> 274

LHR/FRA need the capacity of the 744 whereas FCO and MAD probably don't. Just a guess.

That's exactly what it is. A while ago they were thinking of sending the 77W to MUC and swapping CDG's 77W to a 744, but this being TG....

NOOOO! Please let it be FRA, haha.
yeah, and if it is FRA, of course it would be only 1 of the 2 services.
Than it should be the nightflight out of FRA with the daytimeflight BKK-FRA.

was speaking to friends of mine yesterday - they have booked an award exSYD in F in Spetember and were told by TG SYD staff when requesting seats that they have the new 777 for their flight...

was speaking to friends of mine yesterday - they have booked an award exSYD in F in Spetember and were told by TG SYD staff when requesting seats that they have the new 777 for their flight...

What is the date? I just checked several days in September and October for BKK-SYD and it's showing A346. Nonetheless, if SYD is the route to employ the 9W 77Ws, by all means, do it TG! I am in F in October :D

What is the date? I just checked several days in September and October for BKK-SYD and it's showing A346. Nonetheless, if SYD is the route to employ the 9W 77Ws, by all means, do it TG! I am in F in October :D

I dunno... it just came up in conversation. Of course the office could have been confused and meant their onwards flight from BKK was on a 77W and something got lost in translation somewhere...

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/airlines-india/1219512-jet-re-leases-2-more-77ws-ex-tk-tg.html

Jet Re-Leases 2 More 77w's Ex-TK To TG

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I guess we're not going to get any 77w's any longer - they keep leasing them out to TG this time!:

"Carrier Jet Airways Ltd said on Monday it has executed an agreement with Thai Airways International for dry lease of two of its B 777-300ER aircraft.

The lease will commence from October and November of this year, respectively, and will continue for a period of 24 months, Jet said in a statement.

Both aircraft are currently given on lease to Turkish Airlines, and are expected to be returned later this year on the expiry of the respective lease terms."

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/new...ir_545612.html

I guess we'll have to fly TG to enjoy the 9w hard product!

Had a conversation with a 73x captain deadheading on a flight back to BOM yesterday, and he stated (as borne out by the switch to A332's) that the 777's suck fuel on the short runs that 9w has (BOM-BRU-EWR) and difficult to make a profit...

TG 77W to FCO would be most welcome. Looking at a flight next year in May and that would just fit nicely. Guess I ll try to make a booking and see how things pan out. Will likely book an alternative route as a backup on a different ticket though to avoid bad surprises.

Holy poopers! That would be awesome - and make me feel better after being lied to by US.

Here's my storoy...

I am going on my honeymoon to DPS and SIN on a great USDM F award (YVR-LAX-NRT//HND-BKK-DPS---SIN---BKK-FRA-YYC-YVR). I really wanted to try one of two things: Either the TG F suites (BKK-CDG) or the LH F ground treatment (BKK-FRA) - like the FCT.

When I called US I told them I wanted 2 F seats BKK-CDG, to which they said, "Sorry sir. It's only a two-cabin plane." Knowing that wasn't true, I called back at least five times, only to get the same answer each time. Not wanting to risk losing my other seats, I just said "F-it" (no pun intended) and just go via FRA for the full F treatment, FCT, etc...

Now though, if in fact the new Jet Airways leased birds will be taking the BKK-FRA route I get the best of both worlds; the suites in F, and the F treatment on the ground in FRA b/c I have a flight to YYC in LH F! WHOOHOO!!!!I would love this!

Any more specific speculations on dates though? My exact departure date is 11/27. I'm on flight TG922, which leaves BKK at 13:10 and arrives into FRA at 19:00.

Hit me with the truth guys... Do I really have a legit shot at this? Only thing that could make this better is LH announcing new A380 service from FRA-YYC. Haha - yea, that would be nice. :p


I'm a bit late to ask this but I don't quite get if you ar ebooked on TG for BKK-FRA in F or on LH? From your excitement over the (now not so likely - based on latest info) 77W use on the BKK-FRA route I'm assuming you will be in TG F.

So in order to enjoy LH FCL / FCT you need to continue your journey in LH F from FRA to YYZ. That's the case right? Otherwise, if no arriving or departing LH F than you would also not be allowed to use the FCL (FCT Only if departing in LH F). Just checking. Cheers ...

FRA's getting a retrofit 744, for more info please refer the link: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thai-airways-royal-orchid-plus/1086198-has-aircraft-refurbishment-started-5.html
So where do you think the new 77W will go, maybe another EU station? would it be EU-BKK-Japan like how the other leased 77W operated? We will just have to stay tunned for more news

Rabbz

Just heard from someone
the first of this 2 aircrafts comes in August and the second one aprox 2 month later. During them only have 1 more 77W it would serve a 3 or 4 day per week destination ( rumor MAD ) and after them have both new 77W's them will serve MUC with this.

Just heard from someone
the first of this 2 aircrafts comes in August and the second one aprox 2 month later. During them only have 1 more 77W it would serve a 3 or 4 day per week destination ( rumor MAD ) and after them have both new 77W's them will serve MUC with this.

How good a source is this 'someone'?

I've got a couple BKK-MUC F flights booked for next winter. I'd be happy to get the 77W instead of the 744. Even though the 9W F suites are showing quite a bit of wear and tear, IMO they are a notch or two above the current 744 F seats.

I'd prefer they fix the ones they already have first.

Those 2 new birds are planned for FCO and MAD, according to a TG staff web board.

Puzzle me why they don't put this on more premium route such as LHR. I guess aircraft rotation might be the issue here since they only get 2 additional 77W.

Do we have any confirmation on this? I like the idea of the 77W to FCO, if only because I'm coming through there in Dec/Jan :cool:

if the new aircraft leased by 9W will be deployed on the MUC-route that should probably go hand-in-hand with a schedule change on that route in order to permit more connections to MUC via BKK (such as Australia and DPS).
But for da daily longhaul ops they need in fact 3 aircraft and therefore a destination like MAD or FCO is also very likely, but no final decision made yet.

I'm a bit late to ask this but I don't quite get if you ar ebooked on TG for BKK-FRA in F or on LH? From your excitement over the (now not so likely - based on latest info) 77W use on the BKK-FRA route I'm assuming you will be in TG F.

So in order to enjoy LH FCL / FCT you need to continue your journey in LH F from FRA to YYZ. That's the case right? Otherwise, if no arriving or departing LH F than you would also not be allowed to use the FCL (FCT Only if departing in LH F). Just checking. Cheers ...

I'm doing BKK-FRA in TG F, but then was booked into LH F from FRA-YYC. Now though, thanks to an a/c change, I'm stuck with a two-cabin plane... IN BUSINESS CLASS! Ahh... I'm so mad. But, I don't want to call US to change, b/c they'll tell me (knowing them) that my routing/overall booking is invalid and thus will just cancel my whole itinerary. I don't want to risk it :rolleyes:

I would have thought two would be fine for a daily flight as currently they have three for bkk-cdg as well as bkk-nrt and the bkk-cdg is sometimes twice daily and there does not seem to be too many cases of aircraft swaps.

but a third aircraft is needed as back-up to cover regular maintenance etc..

if the new aircraft leased by 9W will be deployed on the MUC-route that should probably go hand-in-hand with a schedule change on that route in order to permit more connections to MUC via BKK (such as Australia and DPS).
But for da daily longhaul ops they need in fact 3 aircraft and therefore a destination like MAD or FCO is also very likely, but no final decision made yet.
For one dayly service to MUC them only need 2 aircrafts.
Paris has one daily + another service 3 * per week operating, and for this them need the existing 3 aircrafts.
And that exactly is the reason, why them first use the aircraft for MAD or FCO ( as long them only have one aditional ), and after when them get the 2nd. them move them to MUC.

Two ac is fine for a daily flight to Europe.The plane typically leaves BKK at midnitgh and returns early morning two days later. Then it can be used during the day (e.g. to NRT) as it will only departs to Europe at midnight. However, this is a bit risky in case of technical problems and heavy maintenance.

but a third aircraft is needed as back-up to cover regular maintenance etc..
very short maintenance even can be made with 2 aircrafts, and for normal 1 day maintenance them simply substitute another aircraft type. Only for the longer D checks them have a problem ( but a.f.a.i.k. this only comes every 2 y. )

I think we're looking at BKK-MAD starting August 1, 3x/week with the 77W according to reports.

1st of August I wonder when this will be announced not long to go really, I was looking at trying the BKK-MAD flight but was worried about aircraft swaps.

Also I would guess that the current 3 aircraft are not maxed out in the way of flying hours, so if you add 2 more frames then you have 5 aircraft which can be rotated slightly differently and probably more efficiently.

I think we're looking at BKK-MAD starting August 1, 3x/week with the 77W according to reports.

At the moment, the CRS is still showing the flights to be operated by a 744 - i wonder when they will change this?

Also if it's indeed BKK-MAD, do you think that the 77W will be on the route until April?

I have an F redemption booked for MAD-BKK in April...getting on the 77W would be great!

It's all easily subject to change, but one of the English newspapers also confirmed that the delivery date for (at least one of) the additional leased 77Ws has been moved up to July 26 (from October, originally) and that the aircraft will be used on the Madrid flights starting in August. (I think one of the Thai newspapers said August 1.) I wouldn't put it past them to delay by a week or two.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/07/11/business/THAI-cabin-factor-slightly-up-in-Q2-30160054.html

I hope the two additional 77W get to do more routes than 3X week to MAD- otherwise seems not very productive. On the other hand, these 77W can substitute for selected 744 routes temporarily so that 744 refurbishment can take place quicker.

Looks like ATH-BKK is still scheduled for the 2-3-2 configuration this month. I cannot believe they put those old recliner style seats on a ten hour flight like that!

Looks like ATH-BKK is still scheduled for the 2-3-2 configuration this month. I cannot believe they put those old recliner style seats on a ten hour flight like that!

I flew this flight a few months back and it was on the 773 with the new biz.

Anyway all Thai's 777's now have the new biz it doesn't matter if its 2-2-2 or 2-3-2 configs.

I flew this flight a few months back and it was on the 773 with the new biz.

Anyway all Thai's 777's now have the new biz it doesn't matter if its 2-2-2 or 2-3-2 configs.

YOU JUST MADE MY DAY! So the only plane with the old biz is a couple of 747s now? That is great news, so flat-bed seats on the 777s no matter what, yippee!

YOU JUST MADE MY DAY! So the only plane with the old biz is a couple of 747s now? That is great news, so flat-bed seats on the 777s no matter what, yippee!

Old biz on the 743 and the older 330's

Old biz on the 743 and the older 330's


and the old A300, but only on regional flights.

and the old A300, but only on regional flights.

8 Years as a TG *G and not once have I experienced their AB6's :D

Old biz on the 743 and the older 330's

The last row on the left on my 747 upstairs is 18 which I think corresponds to the flat beds. Is that right?

The last row on the left on my 747 upstairs is 18 which I think corresponds to the flat beds. Is that right?

All 744's have the new seats. TG codes them as follows

747 = 7443 which is the old business
744 - 744 which is the new business.

So see if your aircraft is a 747 or a 744

8 Years as a TG *G and not once have I experienced their AB6's :D


60% of my TG flights (minimum) are either the AB6 or 737. :(

As for the 737, I'd prefer to be in rows 39/40 than in C.

Already posted this on a different thread, but my Dec 25 MUC-BKK flight is now showing as a 777-300.

All 744's have the new seats. TG codes them as follows

747 = 7443 which is the old business
744 - 744 which is the new business.

So see if your aircraft is a 747 or a 744

Correct except that the 747 is coded 7442 and has old business, and 744 is coded 7443 which has the "new" business class

Anyhow the 744 as plane type on TG web, is the "new" business class.