Alaska - Alaska on your own - any money saving tips?

Wife and I are planning a trip to Alaska during the summer for a week or two. We'll do the southcentral and inside passage. I can apply for the Alaska Airline credit card, but they are giving out only 25,000 miles and got an annual fee of $75. I know I am going during high season. Any money saving tips on airlines, boat cruise, hotels, coupon books, discount codes?

FlyerTalk has a forum for that ;). Please standby for a move of the thread to the Travel->Alaska forum where you'll find great tips and ideas. Helped us put together a nice self-booked trip for 2008 mostly based in ANC with side trips to PWS and Denali Park. Ocn Vw 1K, Moderator, TravelBuzz.

Wife and I are planning a trip to Alaska during the summer for a week or two. We'll do the southcentral and inside passage. I can apply for the Alaska Airline credit card, but they are giving out only 25,000 miles and got an annual fee of $75. I know I am going during high season. Any money saving tips on airlines, boat cruise, hotels, coupon books, discount codes?

Honestly you are quite late in booking to get any great "deals" for this summer. I am literally planning my 2012 Alaska trips now. Do you have any sort of itinerary planned out? Are you taking a cruise? Without a cruise, I think you are pushing yourself to try and visit both Southcentral (Anchorage, Kenai Peninsula, Denali, etc) and "inside passage" (which I assume you mean Southeast Alaska, or Juneau and perhaps places north and south of there) in two weeks. Without a cruise, where you can travel from town to town when you sleep, I would concentrate on either Southcentral or Southeast Alaska on one trip.

What are your interests? That will play a big part in what you do/see/where you go and what discounts and savings tips might be available.

There are two good coupon books - toursaver and northern lights. Many 2-for-1 coupons in each, more food and other coupons in northern lights, whereas toursaver is primarily though not exclusively tours. Toursaver costs twice as much, but don't let that deter you. Check each website to see which coupons offer you the most savings, then buy that book. You can also buy used toursaver books on EBay if you wait until the tourist season starts (sometimes northern lights books are also on EBay but not as often).

Car rental will be your biggest surprise expense. When I booked for Anchorage last year for this coming June, the cost was $125/week including all taxes/fees for an economy car. Apparently this is a "mistake" but it is a "mistake" that has happened every year for the past 5 years. Rates now are $300/week or more. Check both on- and off-airport car rental offices. Usually, but not always, off-airport pick up is cheaper. But that requires pick up Mon to Fri about 8am-6pm or Saturday morning. So plan your arrival into ANC Sunday through Friday and pick up the car the next morning.

Groupon can also be a good source of deals for Anchorage. I have seen some tours, lodging and restaurants in/near Anchorage offered the past few months (for use through as late as January 2012).

Lodging is perhaps one place you can save money on. Find a lodging option that includes breakfast, or find one that has a kitchenette or at least a fridge and microwave so you can have at least some of your meals in your room. Check hotwire or priceline for some good hotel deals. Just last week hotwire had a hotel in Anchorage for $50. Consider hostels. Some have private rooms or even cabins and are very nice. Private rooms and cabins in hostels still usually share a bathroom, but the savings vs. hotels or B&B's can be substantial.

The Alaska Air credit card also offers a companion ticket for $99 (not sure if that only comes after the first year or right away). That can be a good deal if you are flying from somewhere that Alaska Air flies. Also, when using your Alaska Air miles, take advantage of the stopover feature. I am flying from MSP to ANC (stopover) then to AKN (King Salmon - gateway to Katmai NP), then AKN-ANC-MSP. Same number of miles as just MSP-ANC and the ANC-AKN flight would have cost $400 RT.

My biggest suggestion is to not skimp on tours. I use miles for my flights, I book car rentals 10-11 months in advance for the deals, and I usually stay in very inexpensive lodging (sometimes hostels, sometimes USFS or AK DNR cabins, sometimes hotels). So my main expense in Alaska is for tours. That might be boat tours or flight tours or even land tours. Two weeks ago I took an unforgettable flight tour from Anchorage to the Rainy Pass Iditarod checkpoint. One hour flight each way, and almost 5 hours on the ground at the checkpoint. See the teams arrive, cared for, talk to the mushers, take photos, etc. It cost over $500, but I would MUCH rather do that than spend $150-$200/night for a hotel that I am rarely in anyway.

Also, don't make the rookie mistake of "basing" yourself in a place like Anchorage and taking day trips. Distances are just too vast in Alaska to do that. Even a day trip from Anchorage to Seward really does you a disservice to Seward, where there is so much to do/see. I spent 3 nights in Seward last summer and we still didn't get to do everything I would have liked. Fortunately it was not my first time there and won't be my last.

John

Do you have any sort of itinerary planned out? Are you taking a cruise? Without a cruise, I think you are pushing yourself to try and visit both Southcentral (Anchorage, Kenai Peninsula, Denali, etc) and "inside passage" (which I assume you mean Southeast Alaska, or Juneau and perhaps places north and south of there) in two weeks.


Thanks John. This is quite a comprehensive reply. I have been to Alaska on a cruisetour 15 years ago, and it was quite a trip. Currently, I am on a very initial plan, so nothing concrete yet. So, cruise is being considered or just flying from Anchorage to Juneau to Sitka then to Seattle for return home.

You got the regions exactly what I had in mind (Southcentral = Anchorage, Kenai. Inside passage = southeast = Sitka, etc).

Roughly...
Day 1-3: Drive from Anchorage to Seward, hike Exit Glacier, sea kayaking, tour Kenai Fjords via boat tour
Day 4-5: Homer
Day 6-7: Go canoeing in Swan Lake, go to Whittier and take boat tour

Day 8-? (14 at most): Denali (maybe even Fairbanks) or cruise Southeast or tour Southeast on our own. If we see the glaciers in Kenai (Seward/Whittier tours), will seeing the glaciers in the Southeast be redundant?

I am thinking of staying at hotels/motels or renting an RV. RV will be quite an experience as we have never done it before. Have you tried an RV before?

I hope my reply was not too verbose :). I do love Alaska and go several times a year. And here goes another long post!

I usually suggest going to Homer first, then Seward. Just easier to get from Seward back north (less driving). You said Day 4-5 Homer but didn't list any activities. I always like to figure out what interests me in each place, then determine how much time it will take.

In Seward, if you do the sea kayaking that goes to Aialak Glacier, it kind of doubles as a Kenai Fjords tour. So you might not need both (though each Kenai Fjords trip is different and I go on one every time I am in Seward).

Also, note that "hike Exit Glacier" can really only be done with Exit Glacier Guides if you meant to actually get onto the glacier. You can hike the Harding Icefield Trail (a great hike, but strenuous and 6-8 hours) or you can just get to the face of Exit Glacier on your own.

The Kenai Fjords boat trips are excellent. Be sure you get one at least 6 hours or longer. Anything shorter doesn't get out of the bay.

If you take a cruise, you won't get nearly as close to a glacier as you will on the Whittier trip (which emphasizes glaciers) or Seward (a +-30 minute stop at a glacier). I actually love being at glaciers so it wouldn't bother me at all. And if you take a Princess southbound cruise, you get to go to both Glacier Bay and Hubbard Glacier, which is a big plus IMO.

Tough choices re: an extra week in southcentral or a cruise. I have used Alaska cruises as "hotel and transportation" and am out in the port town most of the time the ship is in port. My biggest complaint is that I like more than just several hours in these places. So I generally do land tours now. If you take a cruise, it would have to be days 8-15 since pretty much all AK cruises are 7 nights (or start on day 7).

Personally, I love Denali. But I love the scenery, hiking and wildlife. I am an avid photographer and that also fits well with Denali. I am going there in June for 5 nights. Most people spend far less time there. Fairbanks is definitely worth a couple of nights (great museum, even for a non-museum person like me), large animal research station, Riverboat Discovery, pipeline, and more. If you do this, you might consider returning from Fairbanks to Anchorage via the Richardson and Glenn Highways. Great scenery. Maybe even detour to the Wrangell/St. Elias NP visitor center not too far south of the Richardson/Glenn Highway junction. You can't drive RV's along the McCarthy Road, but there is a shuttle bus and a flight you could take into McCarthy. This is a much less visited NP, and the largest NP in the system. There is a nice Root Glacier hike here as well as some nice free hiking (Bonanza Mine hike is an all-day strenuous hike that I would like to try sometime).

I have never rented an RV but it is a popular way to go (they are more costly for me who usually travels alone, and there are some places you just can't use an RV like Wonder Lake Campground inside Denali NP). Unfortunately for this summer you missed the sales. Usually RV's are deeply discounted when booked and prepaid about November for the following summer. Be sure to check BBB ratings of the various companies. One is particularly bad. Great Alaska Holidays is one that has a great reputation, but not the only one with a good one.

When I stay in hotels/motels, I like to book in advance. That allows me to know how much I am paying, usually gives me a better value for my dollar, and I don't waste time the day I need lodging driving around trying to find a place. If you don't like to plan your itinerary so exactly, the RV gives you flexibility. The only place that requires a reservation, even with an RV, is Denali NP (unless you want to waste a day or two waiting for an open shuttle bus, which can fill up in advance). If you decide to go the RV route and take two weeks in Southcentral Alaska, I might suggest that you go north first (so Denali is your first stop). That way you have your fixed dates for Denali and can reserve both RV camping spot and shuttle bus tickets. Also, if you stay 3 nights in Denali, you can reserve the Teklanika campground (minimum 3 nights required at this campground). That is 30 miles into the park and usually private vehicles can't travel that far. I will be tent camping at that campground in September for the first time (I normally camp further inside the park, but this time Tek works out better).

Hope this helps.

Let me know if you have any questions. I am sure others will chime in with thoughts too.

We saw some of Alaska over 3 weeks in May last year. Basically we travelled independently, relying on Alaska Marine Highway, train & bus for the most part of our 3 week trip. We found the toursaver book valuable but needed to lock in some dates to ensure we could use the voucher eg McKinley flight that was fantastic.
I did a trip report on Australian Frequent Flyer, the link is http://www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au/community/trip-reports-and-trip-photos/zig-zag-around-the-us-23908.html
I also covered part of Chicago, New York, Boston & San Diego in the same report but I hope the Alaska part may help. Keep in mind I was looking from an Aussie viewpoint :)

Great tips here.

In-laws maybe coming with us, and not sure how many people yet. Kids ages 5 and 3 maybe included, so that would affect the activities/planning.

The reason I am going to Seward first before Homer is I am planning on a loop drive (clockwise). Also, that is how Frommer's was organized. I guess I can do counter-clockwise too. :) We'll likely do some nature stuff at the Center for Alaskan Coastal Studies, maybe the boat ride to the far side of Kachemak Bay (suggested by Fommers)

Any suggested tour companies to go to the Aialak Glacier for sea kayaking?

"note that "hike Exit Glacier" can really only be done with Exit Glacier Guides if you meant to actually get onto the glacier." Is that the same as just hiking to the side of the glacier? Can you actually get on top of the glacier and walk? If so, I like to do that.

I am thinking of the Major Marine tours - 7.5 hr one or the high speed 6 hour one.

Thanks for the tip on RV rental. I'll check out Great Alaska Holidays then. We got to get more concrete first on who is going, then we'll get a better idea of the likes/interest of the group.

Sounds like Denali will be well worth the trip. I may have some more questions later. ^

W
I did a trip report on Australian Frequent Flyer, the link is http://www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au/community/trip-reports-and-trip-photos/zig-zag-around-the-us-23908.html


Wonderful write up. I felt like I was there too. :D

Last time I was there, I took a cruisetour. This time, I like to do it on our own. But, majority will win. Don't know what the other people in my group will like.

Your write up and the previous fti's write up make me want to go to Denali. I'll the the air taxi for sure. :-: Got to find one of those two for one coupons.
http://www.talkeetnaair.com/

Yes, with younger children that could change a lot. Denali shuttle buses can be hard with kids. 8 hours round trip on the bus, bringing your own car seats (required), etc.

Feel free to go to Seward first :). I just like Homer then Seward for the reasons mentioned.

In Homer Danny J's boat goes to Halibut Cove. You can get a water taxi to Kachemak Bay State Park or Rainbow Tours goes from Homer to Gull Island to Seldovia, which is a nice trip, allowing you several hours in Seldovia before returning to Homer.

>>Any suggested tour companies to go to the Aialak Glacier for sea kayaking?

I have never done that, but will check my files for some operators.

>>"note that "hike Exit Glacier" can really only be done with Exit Glacier Guides if you meant to actually get onto the glacier." Is that the same as just hiking to the side of the glacier? Can you actually get on top of the glacier and walk? If so, I like to do that.

No, not the same. Exit Glacier Guides does a hike onto the glacier (also an ice climbing trip if interested in that). Check out their website. Otherwise you can walk to the face/side of the glacier on your own for free.

>>I am thinking of the Major Marine tours - 7.5 hr one or the high speed 6 hour one.

They both cover the same area, just that one goes faster than the other. I choose my Kenai Fjords tour based on 2-for-1 coupons. The meal is absolutely unimportant to me - I am outside much of the time viewing and usually bring some food anyway.

>>Sounds like Denali will be well worth the trip.

For most people it is. But really only if you get into the park and not just near the entrance. With kids, as I said, it can be tougher. But with shuttle buses, you can always hop off if they act up.

Thanks again fti. I did not realized Exit Glacier Guides is a tour company. There website listed out quite a few hiking/sea kayaking activities. Once we get who is going sorted out, I'll re-start the trip planning activities. Your post made me a lot more education. You can probably write a tour book about your many trips there.

That's all for now. I'll be back to re-reading these posting here later.

Car rental will be your biggest surprise expense. When I booked for Anchorage last year for this coming June, the cost was $125/week including all taxes/fees for an economy car. Apparently this is a "mistake" but it is a "mistake" that has happened every year for the past 5 years. Rates now are $300/week or more.
John

John,
FYI - Surprise is an understatement for car rental. More like shock. $550-$650/week is what they are quoting now for full size cars.

Still in the planning stage and waiting to see who is going.

John,
FYI - Surprise is an understatement for car rental. More like shock. $550-$650/week is what they are quoting now for full size cars.

Still in the planning stage and waiting to see who is going.

Once you have any possible firm dates, book your car rental. You can always change/cancel it. Also, check autoslash.com and carrentals.com for comparison. Also check off-airport companies. Each of the past 6 years I have gotten an economy car for $125/week including all mandatory fees off-airport in Anchorage. One of the regular posters on FT asserts that this is a mistake rate (could be, but it is a VERY ineffective ownership/management team if they let this go on perpetually year after year!). And in reality, even at $600/week for several of you, most likely that is going to be the best/least expensive option anyway. Trains and buses are not cheap and are quite inflexible, especially when heading north toward Denali or to Homer. Bus/train can work to Seward since you can easily get around Seward without a car.

I am going to Juneau in May. A 2-day car rental with Avis is costing me $48 booked last October. The same car booked now would cost me more than double that amount.

That is why I book my flights close to 11 months before my trip and my car rental shortly thereafter. I couldn't afford $400/week or more for a car rental as much as I travel to Alaska.

Groupon can also be a good source of deals for Anchorage. I have seen some tours, lodging and restaurants in/near Anchorage offered the past few months (for use through as late as January 2012).

Indeed. I've banked up several from Cafe Croissant, Humpy's, and Sacks--all restaurants I would recommend to out-of-towners if they want to experience some darn good Alaskan fare.

Today's Groupon from the Park Connection motor coach line is interesting: $40 for an $80 same-day round-trip bus Anchorage to Seward or $27 for a $65 one-way ticket. Although the train is iconic, the bus is cheaper and faster--and an insane deal with Groupon.

Groupon is at http://www.groupon.com/. If you're feeling generous and want to use my referral link, it's at http://www.groupon.com/r/uu16284288. :)

One of the regular posters on FT asserts that this is a mistake rate (could be, but it is a VERY ineffective ownership/management team if they let this go on perpetually year after year!).

It is. That "ineffective management team" confirmed it was. But due to technical limitations and the bureaucracy inherent in a large organization, it's not one they can easily fix.

Thanks. I'll be on the look out for Groupon alaska.

Question on transporation/logistics:

- Do I need a car around Seward? We'll be doing a boat tour (Major Marine),visiting the Alaska Sealife Center, kayaking at Lowell point, and visiting Seavey's Iditarod.

- Achorage to Seward to Anchorage: What's the difference between the views from riding a car versus train?

Thanks. I'll be on the look out for Groupon alaska.

Be aware it's something you'll need to check every day, since the groupon changes. And be ready to spring on one that looks interesting.

Today's:

Two-night stay and ATV excursion with fishing trip for two people at Alpine Creek Lodge in Cantwell

It's a $598 value for $299. Looks to be fun.

More details on today's: http://www.groupon.com/deals/alpine-creek-lodge

(And my referral link, if you're so inclined, is, again: http://www.groupon.com/r/uu16284288)

Question on transporation/logistics:

- Do I need a car around Seward? We'll be doing a boat tour (Major Marine),visiting the Alaska Sealife Center, kayaking at Lowell point, and visiting Seavey's Iditarod.

Seward's small enough that you don't need a car. It's a ~20 minute walk from the train station and Major Marine's dock (northern end of town) to the Sea Life Center (southern end of town), so it's on the longish side but perfectly doable. There may be some form of transportation (a trolley or something) in the summer; I forget.

That said, I'm not sure where the Seavey property is and where the kayaks depart from, so in case they're out of town, you might want to check on those (or see if they'll pick you up from somewhere in town) before planning to go without a car.

- Achorage to Seward to Anchorage: What's the difference between the views from riding a car versus train?

Both equally worth doing, IMHO. The train is nice because it's a relaxing ride and you have high school tour guides pointing out the scenery and interesting things about Alaskan history and life.

As far as scenery: the road and rails diverge for about 60 miles between the Portage area (just south of Girdwood) and Moose Pass (a bit north of Seward). After leaving the road, the train takes you within viewing distance of a good-sized glacier (Spencer Glacier), and it's not uncommon to spot wildlife in the open expanses the train travels through. The road, on the other hand, goes up through the imposingly broad and barren Turnagain Pass and next to several high-altitude lakes before rejoining the rail route at Moose Pass.

Both have their charms, but a couple of downsides of the train are the longer ride (4 hours vs. a 2 hour drive, though that can turn into 4 with stops) that gives you less time in the Seward area and the lack of freedom of movement you get with the car. Without a car, it's hard (but not impossible--there is a shuttle) to visit Exit Glacier, which is well worth a lengthy stop.

Ultimately, it's up to you what mode of transportation you prefer.

Thanks again jackal.

I bought the Northern Light discount book.

Looks like we'll have the following agenda:

Day 1 - fly into ANC, tour Anchorage area (Anchorage Museum, Alaska Heritage Center. [Overnight in Anchorage]

Day 2 - drive to Seward, visit Alaska SeaLife Center, visit the Seavey's Ididaride sled rides, hike Exit Glacier just to the face. [Overnight in Seward]

Day 3 - cruise 10am -5:30pm Major Marine

Day 4 - 1/2 day sea kayaking at Lowell point in the morning, then drive to Girdwood in the afternoon. [Overnight in Girdwood]
ANC-Girdwood is 45 minutes drive. Will staying in Anchorage be a hassle? I got free hotel says in Anchorage due to points.

Day 5 - take tram in the morning, then drive to Whittier for an afternoon cruise Major Marine

Day 6 - hike/bike around the area in the morning, visit the animal drive in zoo, spend night in Anchorage (due to free hotel night stay using points)

Day 7 - drive to Glacier View for a morning hike on Matamuska Glacier with Mica or Nova. Finally, drive to Talkeetna for the night. [Overnight in Talkeetna]

Day 8 - do an air tour with K2 or Talkeetna Air Taxi weather permits. If weather is bad, what else can I do here? What other suggested activities can we do here?

Day 9 - drive back to Anchorage, then do some bike rides.

What do you all think about this itinerary? Day 9 seems light to me. Are any days that too full or light on agenda? Should I be spending more time somewhere?

Personally I think 9 days in Alaska and not going to Denali is a crime. And moreso when you are already heading to Talkeetna anyway.

I can work up an itinerary that includes Denali too, but really prefer to do that only if you are interested. No need wasting either of our time otherwise.

I think the fact that you are trying to stay in Anchorage so often is one of the problems. You can't get a really good itinerary doing that. What I would call penny wise and pound foolish, free hotel room or not. But if you get to return to Alaska multiple times then a not-so-ideal itinerary is not a big deal. If this is the only or one of very few trips to Alaska, your itinerary is lacking.

And spending 2 nights in Talkeetna would not be my suggestion. At the least, as I said earlier, you should plan the flightseeing in Talkeetna for the first chance you get, i.e. day 7 evening.

When on day 9 does your flight depart Anchorage? And I assume you arrive by about noon on day 1 into Anchorage?

Yes, I agree that most people would go for a Denali trip. Interest in Denali for our group has been light, so we'll past on that. It's tough enough for me to get people on a sightseeing flight towards Denali.

We can skip the Anchorage stays then, since that will help on creating a good trip.
Day 1 we get in around noon, while day 9 we leave eveing. When I went to Alaska 15 years ago, I never thought I'll go back again, because of the distance/cost of the trip. But, here I am. I guess we'll have to assume this is the only trip as far as mainland Alaska. Might go back to Inside Passage (southeast) for a cruise. I do want to leave some room in the itinerary in case of bad weather.

BTW, does it matter if there are cruise ships in town (in Seward) when I am there? I found a website that list the days of cruise ships.
http://www.claalaska.com/schedules.html

Day 4: no, that wouldn't be a problem to stay in Anchorage.

If you can avoid cruise ship days, you'll probably have better hotel availability and less crowds on the street.

I, too, think it's a crime to skip Denali with this itinerary. I've lived here 16 years and never tire of visiting the park—it's like a different world in there: barren, quiet, and with a monumental backdrop, and the chances of seeing wildlife are magnified ten-fold.

If you can at all swing your group's votes, it'll be well worth it, and you'll regret skipping the chance if you don't.

BTW, check out alaska.org and their new iPhone app (linked from the homepage). Just got the free app today, and it's a gem.

Okay...you guys convince us to add a Denali trip. What do you think of this revised itinerary starting Day 6?

Day 6 - drive to Glacier View for an afternoon hike on Matamuska Glacier with Mica or Nova. [Overnight in Wasilla/Palmer area]

Day 7 - drive over to Denali (stop by Talkeetna for air tour if weather is good) in the morning. Go to Denali visitor center in the afternoon. [Overnight in Denali area]

Day 8 - do some tours Denali early morning. What do you suggest here? Should I do a shuttle bus, a tour bus or drive our own car? [overnight in Talkeetna]

Day 9 - drive back to Anchorage, then do some bike rides.

Also, should I be spending two nights (one extra night) at Denali by combining day 2 and day 3 into just one day?

I don't see that you ever mentioned when you are going. I assume "summer" is on/after June 8th? And you also mentioned once about kids. How many kids and how old? The downside with Denali is that it is not ideal for young kids. Denali is not a zoo. I didn't think of that when I first mentioned the regrets about missing Denali. But if you bring enough toys/things to occupy kids, they can be fine.

I personally would change your itinerary a bit from day 2.

Day 2 drive to Girdwood, Turnagain Arm (very scenic), Wildlife Conservation Center, to Whittier tunnel and Whittier for PWS tour. After tour, drive to Seward. You should arrive 2 hours after the tunnel opening (so 6pm tunnel means 8pm to Seward).

Day 3 KF tour as planned

Day 4 morning kayaking, afternoon Sealife Center, Seavey's Iditaride, Exit Glacier (can't do it all this day)

Day 5 a.m. finish what you didn't see on Day 4 and drive to Wasilla (4 hours).

Day 6 Independence Mine/Palmer area, afternoon hike on Matanuska Glacier. If you took a 2pm hike, you are done by 4pm, drive to Talkeetna. You could make a 7pm flightseeing tour and overnight in Talkeetna.

Day 7 a.m. flightseeing if canceled the night before, continue to Denali NP (3 hours). Entrance-area activities (visitor center exhibits and film, sleddog demo at 2pm or 4pm, drive the first 14 miles of the park road looking for wildlife, enjoying the scenery (Mt. McKinley viewpoint about mile 9), maybe do the easy 2 mile round trip Savage River Loop hike (level trail, 1 mile along the river, cross a bridge, walk back on the other side). Can see ptarmigan and other wildlife, Dalls sheep often up on the hillside.

Day 8 take a shuttle bus (NOT a tour bus!) to Eielson or Wonder Lake. I would recommend booking the shuttle bus to Wonder Lake (yes, it is 10 hours round trip). If the Mountain is not out, just get off at Eielson and there is a bus dispatcher there. Ask him to put you on another bus back to the entrance. If the Mountain is out, taking the bus to Wonder Lake is worth it. Walk up past the campground for great views of the Mountain.

You will find it hard to spend a full day in Denali NP and still try to get to Talkeetna the same day. You really need two nights in Denali to do it justice. I guess if you got a really early start, say a 7am bus, 10 hours round trip to Wonder Lake or 8 hours round trip to Eielson, back to the entrance by 5pm, quick dinner (McKinley Creekside Cafe is on the way, 14 miles south of the park entrance for basic fare and good prices, 229 Parks for more upscale), and in Talkeetna by 9-10pm.

But I would stay near Denali Day 8 and drive back to Anchorage the morning of Day 10. Five hour drive.

It will be tough to combine Days 2 and 3. You need to depart Anchorage at 6am to get to Seward by 9am for a 10am Major Marine Kenai Fjords tour. And you can't do Seavey's and Sealife Center the same day.

Not sure what you think about this itinerary. It is a bit more "moving around" than I personally like, but if you do the Matanuska Glacier tour on Day 6, it is hard to work around that. How about doing the Matanuska Glacier hike later in the trip? Then this would work better:

---alternate plan---
Day 2 drive to Girdwood, Turnagain Arm (very scenic), Wildlife Conservation Center, to Whittier tunnel and Whittier for PWS tour. After tour, drive to Seward. You should arrive 2 hours after the tunnel opening (so 6pm tunnel means 8pm to Seward).

Day 3 KF tour as planned

Day 4 morning kayaking, afternoon Sealife Center, Seavey's Iditaride, Exit Glacier (can't do it all this day)

Day 5 a.m. finish what you didn't see on Day 4 and drive to Talkeetna (6 hours?)

Day 6 morning flightseeing, then drive to Denali NP (3 hours). Entrance-area activities (visitor center exhibits and film, sleddog demo at 2pm or 4pm, drive the first 14 miles of the park road looking for wildlife, enjoying the scenery (Mt. McKinley viewpoint about mile 9), maybe do the easy 2 mile round trip Savage River Loop hike (level trail, 1 mile along the river, cross a bridge, walk back on the other side). Can see ptarmigan and other wildlife, Dalls sheep often up on the hillside.

Day 7 take a shuttle bus (NOT a tour bus!) to Eielson or Wonder Lake. I would recommend booking the shuttle bus to Wonder Lake (yes, it is 10 hours round trip). If the Mountain is not out, just get off at Eielson and there is a bus dispatcher there. Ask him to put you on another bus back to the entrance. If the Mountain is out, taking the bus to Wonder Lake is worth it. Walk up past the campground for great views of the Mountain.

Day 8 drive to Matsu Valley in the morning (if the flightseeing is canceled on Day 6, you could reschedule it for this morning). Book the 4.30pm glacier hike on Matanuska Glacier. This gives you all day to get there. If you did the flightseeing on Day 6, spend time in the Matsu Valley (Independence Mine, Palmer, Muskox Farm, Reindeer Farm, etc). After the glacier hike, continue to Anchorage (<2 hours?).

Day 9 bike ride on Tony Knowles Trail

Personally, I like the second itinerary better. But it is up to you.

Note that kids up to age 14 are free on the shuttle buses in Denali NP but they still need a reservation and a ticket. Youth aged 15-17 are half price. This is WAY cheaper than the tour buses, which charge way more for kids and 3x as much for adults than the shuttle buses. And the tour buses only go to mile 53 (maybe mile 61 if the Mountain is out). The shuttle buses go to Eielson (mile 66) or Wonder Lake (mile 85). Mile 62-66 is prime bear habitat. And you can only drive your car the first 14 miles of the park road. So you absolutely need to book a bus to get further into the park.

Note: on your way from Seward/Anchorage/Wasilla to Talkeetna, stop in Anchorage or Wasilla for groceries. No food or drinks are sold inside the park when on the buses, so you need to do some shopping for snacks, food, etc. You can buy some stuff at a small grocery near the park entrance, but it will be double the price if not more. The "tour" buses provide a "box lunch" but it is really just a snack and definitely not worth the tour bus price. To be fair, the tour buses do have video cameras to "zoom in" on wildlife that may be seen in the distance. But I don't go to Denali to watch wildlife on a video monitor! Seats are similar between the tour and shuttle buses, though many shuttle buses are "bench" seats and all tour buses are individual seats (both have 2 people on each side). Commentary on the tour and shuttle buses is very similar. In fact, the shuttle bus drivers generally have more experience than the tour bus drivers (so they bid for the shuttle bus routes). Tour buses are 99% cruisetour passengers.

John

Mile 62-66 is prime bear habitat.

Indeed. I took this shot in Denali last September--right off the left side of the bus:

http://gallery.flyertalk.com/gallery/albums/ANC-Dos/IMG_1275.sized.jpg (http://gallery.flyertalk.com/gallery/ANC-Dos/IMG_1275?full=1)

This was during the last FlyerTalk DO I hosted here in Alaska. Read more about our trip here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/communitybuzz/1084750-127-pounds-cabbage-do-anchorage-seward-alaska-state-fair-august-27-29-30-a.html

fti, you can write a book about touring Alaska.

Thanks for all the great tips on Denali and writing two itineraries. I was wondering about lunch on those shuttle buses. As wildlife are more active during the morning, I'll be booking the earliest possible bus (6am) during the August trip. This time, we'll be 4 adults, no kids. Makes things going around quicker.

I have concluded that to make two nights out of Denali, I'll have to cut out some of the agenda/planned areas such as the Seavey's. So, I have made two plans. Here are the outlines.

Plan A: Seward to Denali
Day 2 - drive to Seward, hike with Exit Glacier Guides at 11:30am departure
Day 3 - KF cruise
Day 4 - sea kayak, Alaska Sealife Center
Day 5 - drive to Whittier for PWS cruise, overnight in Girdwood
Day 6 - aerial tram at Alyeska Resort, then drive to Denali via Talkeetna (take
sightseeing flights if okay) for two nights at Denali
Day 7 - full day at Denali as you outlined
Day 8 - drive to Matsu Valley as you outlined excluding glacier hike

Plan B: Denali to Seward
Day 2 - Matsu glacier hike in am, then drive to Talkeetna for overnight. Catch sightseeing flights if okay
Day 3 - am sightseeing flight (if not yet done on day 2), drive to Denali
Day 4 - full day Denali as you outlined on day
Day 5 - drive all the way from Denali to Seward
Day 6 - KF cruise
Day 7 - sea kayak, Alaska Sealife Center
Day 8 - drive to Whittier for PWS cruise, overnight in Girdwood

Plan A versus Plan B: It seems plan A flows better with less driving before seeing something else. On the other hand, I prefer the Matsu glacier hike, as you walk less to get to the glacier. Plan B hikes at Matsu glacier, but has a very long drive (Denali to Seward) and cruise ships are in down the days I am in Seward (this might not be a big deal). What's your preference? What are the pros and cons do you see?

A trip from Anchorage to Whittier cruise to Seward seemed too long a day for me. The cruise ends around 6:45pm, which means I'll be using the 7pm tunnel to get to Seward by around 9pm+. I have thought about this. Is there any lodging between Whittier and Seward?

I strongly discourage you (or any tourist) from driving between Denali and Seward in one day. I know that locals do it. But there is too much to do/see and there are way too many variables. For example, a couple of years ago I left Seward at 9am, stopped in Anchorage just for lunch and grocery shopping for Denali. I still didn't arrive into Talkeetna until 5.30pm, and that is 3 hours from Denali! It takes time. Two lane roads, slow RV's construction delays, and the worst - an accident that will close the Seward Highway or Parks Highway for hours. So for that reason alone I suggest option A.

If you wanted more time to explore Turnagain Arm, you could head to Girdwood on Day 4 after Sealife Center (about 2 hour drive). Then you would have the morning of Day 5 for the Wildlife Conservation Center, Portage Glacier Visitor Center or even a nice and easy 1 mile walk to Byron Glacier (you can walk on the glacier here). And don't miss the hand tram on the Winner Creek Trail if you want to experience something unique. A decent hike from the Aleyska side, or drive to the Crow Creek Mine side and hike the shorter hike from the parking lot there to the tram. You pull yourself across (or others on either side help pull you across).

You are right about driving to Seward after PWS tour - it would be late. Many PWS tours are over before 6pm so you can take the 6pm tunnel. But the extra hour is really a bummer. Makes for a long day. You could stay in Moose Pass, but I think your option A is a good one.

Also, with my dozen or so trips to Denali, I would not say that wildlife is more active in the morning. The main reasons for taking an early shuttle bus (IMHO) are a) a better chance to see Mt. McKinley, which often clouds up by late morning if not sooner, and b) to give you more time for hiking in the park. Granted, if it is a very warm day, your assumption about less wildlife during the heat of the day might be true. But it rarely gets truly hot in Denali.

Last summer we took an 11am camper bus to Wonder Lake. Didn't get to Toklat rest stop (mile 53) until something like 2pm? One of my best bear photos was taken just past Toklat, in the middle of the day:

https://picasaweb.google.com/johnn.photos/AlaskaAug2010SewardDenaliKodiak#551210686720571592 2

So, all that to say I agree with your early shuttle bus, but not necessarily for the same reasons.

I think you are on the way to nailing down the itinerary. My only suggestion is to not make lodging or other reservations until you have the itinerary firm. But be sure to reserve the shuttle bus in Denali in advance, as well as lodging in Denali. They both fill up in the summer.

John

I did not know that you can walk on the Bryon Glacier. I looked at some of the youtube videos and your photos. It looks like Bryron Glacier view is a bit different from Exit or Matsu glacier. Should I substitute Bryron Glacier hike over the Exit Glacier or Matsu Glacier hike?

How much time do I allow for the Alaska Wildlife Conservation Center drive? AAA says allow minimum of 30 minutes. Other tour companies stays for 1 hour.

You got some great photos there on your albums, especially 31. Before I read your caption on photo 12, I was thinking s*** that Muskox is charging at you.

We made some changes on the itinerary. Wife did not want to go sea kayaking - in case of fall into the frigid water. So, we'll do only two nights in Seward.

That Winner Creek trail is indeed unique. I have never seen this before - pulling yourself across. How much time would you allow for this hike from Crow Creek side?
http://www.my-photo-blog.com/winner-creek-gorge-trail-girdwood-alaska

That Winner Creek trail is indeed unique. I have never seen this before - pulling yourself across. How much time would you allow for this hike from Crow Creek side?
http://www.my-photo-blog.com/winner-creek-gorge-trail-girdwood-alaska

To the hand-pulled tram and back? Maybe 45 minutes. It's been awhile since I've been there, though, and we did sort of wander around on the way there... :D

I did not know that you can walk on the Bryon Glacier. I looked at some of the youtube videos and your photos. It looks like Bryron Glacier view is a bit different from Exit or Matsu glacier. Should I substitute Bryron Glacier hike over the Exit Glacier or Matsu Glacier hike?

Honestly, Byron Glacier is not all that exciting. A nice walk and a nice place to walk on the snow/ice/glacier without crampons. Not many crevasses and pretty safe. If you really want a glacier hiking experience, you need to do Exit Glacier or Matanuska Glacier with a guide and crampons. I did Root Glacier in Wrangell/St. Elias NP a couple of years ago. Was well worth it.

How much time do I allow for the Alaska Wildlife Conservation Center drive? AAA says allow minimum of 30 minutes. Other tour companies stays for 1 hour.

Just drive through, click a few photos - 30 minutes is probably enough. I have only gone a couple of times (when I am with others) and I would say if you plan 1 hour, you are fine. Then you won't feel rushed. It is nice, but I prefer my wildlife in the wild.

That Winner Creek trail is indeed unique. I have never seen this before - pulling yourself across. How much time would you allow for this hike from Crow Creek side?

I agree with jackal - maybe 45 minutes round trip plus the time at the hand tram. When I went a couple of years ago, we went from the Crow Creek Mine side but then hiked a bit further on the other side. Some nice scenery and water. If you allow at least a couple of hours for this, you will be fine. Everything seems to take longer than you initially expect (or so it seems to me!).

If you only spend 2 nights in Seward, then your second itinerary could work too. Just spend the night between Denali and Seward in Girdwood. You could do the hand tram that day you arrive. Next morning leave Girdwood by 8am and you will easily be in Seward for the 11.30am Kenai Fjords tour. Just another option.

I am going to Juneau in May. A 2-day car rental with Avis is costing me $48 booked last October. The same car booked now would cost me more than double that amount.

That is why I book my flights close to 11 months before my trip and my car rental shortly thereafter. I couldn't afford $400/week or more for a car rental as much as I travel to Alaska.

I hope that you provide a trip report on your trip to Juneau. We decided to go to Juneau this year for a really long weekend in July. I just finalized my reservations. Your advice is always spot-on and the information that you provide is extremely helpful. What are your plans for Juneau - if you do not mind sharing?

I hope that you provide a trip report on your trip to Juneau. We decided to go to Juneau this year for a really long weekend in July. I just finalized my reservations. Your advice is always spot-on and the information that you provide is extremely helpful. What are your plans for Juneau - if you do not mind sharing?

Thanks for your kind words. Alaska is my "home away from home" for sure.

This is a very unique and quick trip. Good friends from N. Ireland will be on a cruise next week so I will join them when they are in Juneau for the day. I arrive the day before and will hang out with a different friend who moved 4 months ago from MN to Juneau. Then after two quick nights in Juneau I fly to Yakutat for two nights (free stopover in JNU on DL award ticket, so I have to capitalize on that!). Hubbard Glacier tour and hiking is planned for Yakutat.

When in Juneau, I almost always go whale watching with Harv & Marvs. Just an excellent company operating 6-passenger boats. So I will do that with my two friends. Probably hike to the waterfall at Mendenhall with my other friend the day before. And I have a list of several activities that my Irish friends and I can do before whale watching - I will let them decide that morning which one(s) they want to do.

Glad that I booked my car rental for next week back in October. Rate is $20/day plus taxes. Now the rate is more than double that. But that is true with car rentals in Alaska - the early bird (8-11 months in advance) gets the cheap rates.

I generally keep trip journals (vs. trip reports) and post them on this site: http://getjealous.com/fti. They are usually extremely detailed, but I write them more for my own benefit than for others.

I am also trying to finalize some plans for a trip to SE Alaska in the summer of 2012. I need to talk with one of the Harv & Marvs boat operators about a water taxi when I am there next week. I would love to spend two nights in a remote cabin only accessible by boat or floatplane. Will probably visit Juneau and Sitka on that trip, but it will be a longer trip than the one next week.

If you get a chance, the Tracy Arm tour with Adventure Bound is excellent. It is a long day, but they get very close to the calving glacier. My main hangup with Adventure Bound is that their office (spearheaded by the captain's wife) is totally inept. They make dumb mistakes, lose reservations, etc. So just be sure to confirm, re-confirm and re-re-confirm your reservations. Allen Marine now also does this tour, but it is several hours shorter, meaning it has to be more rushed and misses out on a few things. Plus Allen Marine doesn't operate it daily.

Thank you! We are going to Juneau to whale watch. If you have read any of my other posts, then you know what a fanatic I am. In all of my whale watching trips, I've yet to see bubble feeding an a mass basis and I have heard that Juneau is one of the best places to witness that activity. Since I prefer small boats, I am going with Harv and Marv.

The Tracy Arm excursion sounds great; I'll try to book with your recommended company.

Thanks again!

How long are you going for and what month? You said "long weekend" so this might not work, but if you can get yourself to Gustavus/Glacier Bay, there is also excellent whale watching there. The state ferry goes there now from Juneau or you can add Gustavus to a Juneau ticket for little or no extra cost (Alaska Air was advertising this recently).

With at least a night in Gustavus, you could also go whale watching with Taz. It so happened that when I went whale watching with Taz and Harv & Marvs within a week of each other, the whale watching was better with Harv & Marvs. But generally the whale watching is even better in Gustavus (from all I have read - but time more than anything is key).

I too have never seen bubblenet feeding, though I would like to sometime. I have seen breaching, even double breaching once with Harv & Marvs. Even saw Orcas "spyhopping" on the Tracy Arm tour one time. Great photos!

I too have never seen bubblenet feeding, though I would like to sometime. I have seen breaching, even double breaching once with Harv & Marvs. Even saw Orcas "spyhopping" on the Tracy Arm tour one time. Great photos!

It may be hard for me to top the experience that I had in Baja in March 2011; I am aware of the fines and penalties for approaching endangered humpbacks; gray whales are not endangered and they are more curious - http://www.ezphotography.net/eric/Web_Baja_2011/content/Raw_Baja_3.18.11_717_large.html or http://www.ezphotography.net/eric/Web_Baja_2011/content/Raw_Baja_3.18.11_679_large.html

fti and other frequent travellers to Alaska:

When flying into and out of Anchorage, do you get good scenic views from the plane? If so, should I be seating on the right or left side during the flight in ond flight out? We are coming from the east coast if that is pertinent.

Thank you to all here, especially fti. It's a great forum. I'll post the result of my trip later in the year.

fti and other frequent travellers to Alaska:

When flying into and out of Anchorage, do you get good scenic views from the plane? If so, should I be seating on the right or left side during the flight in ond flight out? We are coming from the east coast if that is pertinent.

Yes, unless it's cloudy, which is a definite possibility in Southcentral Alaska, especially as you get into July and August.

I typically try to sit on the left flying south and the right flying north, since if the weather's clear over Southeast Alaska, that's the side you'll see the coastal ranges of Southeast as you fly over them.

If ANC is doing its normal departures on runway 32, then the right side offers a very nice view of the city of Anchorage just after takeoff, so if you can't get the left side, the right isn't a waste. (For arrivals on runway 7R, the right side works perfectly for viewing Anchorage during landing).

While the above is most true for ANC-SEA/PDX/SFO/LAX/LGB/PHX, since those flights follow the coast for the entire route to the Lower 48, it's not untrue for ANC-SLC/DEN/MSP/ORD/IAH/ATL/CVG/PHL and other midwest/east coast destinations, since those follow the coast until they're approximately over JNU before heading inland and across Canada.

In fact, I got some phenomenal pictures of the mountains and glaciers of western Canada/southeast Alaska on an MSP-ANC flight late last year (and I may have been violating my own rule and sitting on the left going north). If I were organized and could find them, I'd post them...

I typically try to sit on the left flying south and the right flying north, since if the weather's clear over Southeast Alaska, that's the side you'll see the coastal ranges of Southeast as you fly over them.

In fact, I got some phenomenal pictures of the mountains and glaciers of western Canada/southeast Alaska on an MSP-ANC flight late last year (and I may have been violating my own rule and sitting on the left going north). If I were organized and could find them, I'd post them...

Interesting, I try to seat on the left going south/east and right on the north/west flights for other reasons. The sun will be on my opposite side, so I get a better view by avoiding sun glare. Sounds like I luck out then.

For those sitting on the left going north, it doesn't sound like a bad deal either (you got great pictures there).

Thanks.

It really depends on the flight path. I have had incredible views from both sides of the plane. Generally I like exit rows, but I often forgo them on flights to/from Alaska because they are usually over the wing.

One time I flew from SEA to ANC, was on the left side of the plane and had a great view of Glacier Bay. Another time from MSP to ANC I was on the left and had some incredible views of glaciers. But often the better views northbound are from the right side of the plane. Too hard to know for sure.

A week and a half ago I flew from Juneau to Yakutat, sat on the right side, flew relatively low and had incredible views of Glacier Bay.

All right, you guys persuaded me to find the pics I snapped. :p

In all my travels in and out of Alaska, I've never seen this kind of scenery, since it's usually cloudy over this area (either that, or I'm flying on a red-eye), so I wasn't prepared with anything other than my iPhone camera. In fact, while I normally choose window seats, this time, I was in 3D due to a last-minute seat swap (the lady in 3D wanted to sit by her husband in 1D, so I gave up 1F. Big mistake!). I took these pictures over the sleeping guy in 3F, so apologies for the window framing. ;)

So, these were taken off the right side of the aircraft on an ORD-ANC flight. I would guess if I had been sitting on the left, I would have seen Glacier Bay, as fti indicated.

http://gallery.flyertalk.com/gallery/albums/jackals-pictures-for-posting/IMG_7069.sized.jpg (http://gallery.flyertalk.com/gallery/jackals-pictures-for-posting/IMG_7069?full=1)

http://gallery.flyertalk.com/gallery/albums/jackals-pictures-for-posting/IMG_7071.sized.jpg (http://gallery.flyertalk.com/gallery/jackals-pictures-for-posting/IMG_7071?full=1)

http://gallery.flyertalk.com/gallery/albums/jackals-pictures-for-posting/IMG_7075.sized.jpg (http://gallery.flyertalk.com/gallery/jackals-pictures-for-posting/IMG_7075?full=1)

I think the pilot announced this one as Mt. Logan, the highest mountain in Canada (and in the St. Elias range) and the second-highest mountain in North America (after McKinley, of course):
http://gallery.flyertalk.com/gallery/albums/jackals-pictures-for-posting/IMG_7078.sized.jpg (http://gallery.flyertalk.com/gallery/jackals-pictures-for-posting/IMG_7078?full=1)

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Pics taken in this area (the white line was my flight path):

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I got a plan...I'll seat on the right side, wife to seat on the left side.:) Somehow, I think she'll think I am trying to avoid her. :eek:

Getting a good view from a commercial flight is liking flying the sightseeing flights for free. I am checking out flightaware.com. ^

I got a plan...I'll seat on the right side, wife to seat on the left side.:) Somehow, I think she'll think I am trying to avoid her. :eek:

Getting a good view from a commercial flight is liking flying the sightseeing flights for free. I am checking out flightaware.com. ^
Hmm, looking at those pics again...the way the seatback is showing up in those shots, it almost looks like they were taken off the left side of the aircraft.

I have no idea how I would have done so, as I was sitting in 3D.

Oh well, I think whichever side you sit on, you'll get an awesome view...that is, IF the weather holds! :D

Getting a good view from a commercial flight is liking flying the sightseeing flights for free. I am checking out flightaware.com. ^

In reality, the commercial flights are nothing like the flightseeing flights. I took a 2 hour flight in a Cessna 206 last week from Yakutat north about an hour's flight then back again. It was not a "flightseeing" tour per se (was an EAS flight). But we flew at 2,500 feet from Yakutat and at 500 feet returning, landed twice on two different grass airstrips. The flight cost me $120. I sat in the co-pilot seat and was able to talk with the pilot almost the entire time. Nothing like a commercial flight whatsoever.

Next month I am taking a floatplane on a 90-minute glacier tour, starting in Anchorage. Purchased a Groupon, so got the flight for half price, also about $120. I am certain that will also be nothing like a commercial flight.

Sure, the commercial flights are nice if it is a clear day and you can see some things. But still, they really don't compare to flightseeing tours. If you look and book early enough, you can find deals. I have probably been on at least a half dozen flightseeing tours in Alaska (probably more) and I don't recall paying full price for any of them.

I took a 2 hour flight in a Cessna 206 last week from Yakutat north about an hour's flight then back again. It was not a "flightseeing" tour per se (was an EAS flight). But we flew at 2,500 feet from Yakutat and at 500 feet returning, landed twice on two different grass airstrips.


Is there any reason why these are flying so low? The only commercial flights I have taken even on propeller planes flew 15,000+ feet.

Is there any reason why these are flying so low? The only commercial flights I have taken even on propeller planes flew 15,000+ feet.It's that pesky nuisance called breathing.

Is there any reason why these are flying so low? The only commercial flights I have taken even on propeller planes flew 15,000+ feet.

It was not a commercial flight, and as Gardyloo hinted, these small aircraft are not pressurized so you can't fly as high without oxygen. Some smaller non-commercial flights do fly higher. There is a "summit flight" of Mt. McKinley from Talkeetna that flies over the Mountain, so well over 20,000 feet. But you need oxygen masks since the cabin is not pressurized.

And that is why the flightseeing tours are worth it, even when you fly to/from Alaska in a commercial aircraft. But I rarely pay full price for my flightseeing tours. There are enough coupons floating around!

In reality, the commercial flights are nothing like the flightseeing flights. I took a 2 hour flight in a Cessna 206 last week from Yakutat north about an hour's flight then back again.

Who was this with, how did you book it?* True flight-seeing flights are ridiculously expensive.** I've been thinking about going to Yakutat next month and if I could do something similar I would do it in a second. I may be heading down to the Southeast and get on one of the Cessna to get around, some trips it's not that much more expensive then the ferry.

*Edit-I think I answered this myself, probably on Alsek Air Service?

**Edit 2-Meant to say they are still worth it most likely, but if there is an option to go on a scheduled flight in a small aircraft to somewhere scenic it's probably a lot cheaper and will still get some great sights.


Is there any reason why these are flying so low? The only commercial flights I have taken even on propeller planes flew 15,000+ feet.

Those commercial flights are almost all powered by turbine engines, which is still a jet engine. The propeller makes the engine more efficient, but at slower speeds. The Cessna 206 is piston powered which is more in line with a car's engine. The higher it goes, the less power it produces. Turbocharging for piston aircraft forces air into the engine, so a piston powered aircraft can climb higher without losing as much power. The 206 can be installed with such an engine. Turbine engines sort of due this automatically, meaning they can climb even higher and still develop enough thrust.

As to why those planes are flying so low, maybe it wasn't worth the fuel burn to climb higher, or maybe it was just more scenic :cool:

Who was this with, how did you book it?* True flight-seeing flights are ridiculously expensive.** I've been thinking about going to Yakutat next month and if I could do something similar I would do it in a second. I may be heading down to the Southeast and get on one of the Cessna to get around, some trips it's not that much more expensive then the ferry.

*Edit-I think I answered this myself, probably on Alsek Air Service?

**Edit 2-Meant to say they are still worth it most likely, but if there is an option to go on a scheduled flight in a small aircraft to somewhere scenic it's probably a lot cheaper and will still get some great sights.

Yes, Alsek Air. Great pilot, great flight. I learned to now always check EAS flights wherever I go and see if I can get on one. Alsek takes that route Mon/Wed/Fri in the summer.

If you need a place to stay, try Yakutat Charter Boat Company (Mark). Tell him John the photographer recommended you. He has a great apartment above his shop, only $85/night. Can walk anywhere in town from there. He also has fishing and Hubbard Glacier charters.

If anyone is interested in some photos from my trip to Juneau and Yakutat earlier this month, you can find them through this link:

https://picasaweb.google.com/johnn.photos/AlaskaMay2011JuneauAndYakutat#

Yes, Alsek Air. Great pilot, great flight. I learned to now always check EAS flights wherever I go and see if I can get on one. Alsek takes that route Mon/Wed/Fri in the summer.

If you need a place to stay, try Yakutat Charter Boat Company (Mark). Tell him John the photographer recommended you. He has a great apartment above his shop, only $85/night. Can walk anywhere in town from there. He also has fishing and Hubbard Glacier charters.

Thanks for the info, the other place I was looking at staying in Yakutat is Leonards Landing Lodge (http://www.leonardslanding.com/reservations.htm). Pretty reasonable at $55-$65, but with shared facilities. The ferry added a new cross gulf trip this year, from Whitter to Bellingham that makes a stop in Yakutat. Figured that it's a good way to get there, and with a roomette it's about the same cost as flying from Anchorage.

The ferry added a new cross gulf trip this year, from Whitter to Bellingham that makes a stop in Yakutat. Figured that it's a good way to get there, and with a roomette it's about the same cost as flying from Anchorage.

For me using miles and adding YAK to an already-planned JNU trip was cheaper than the ferry. But in normal circumstances, yes, you are right :)

Great food if your a hunter/fisherman@:-)