US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-FlightFund Merger) - US306 -PHL-DUB 5/23/03 -Emergency Landing

Not sure if anyone was aware, but I was on US306 PHL-DUB and we had an engine failure and ended up making an emergency landing into Halifax, Nova Scotia. We flew on one engine for about 70 miles. After getting to halifax it was a complete mess and had to stay there for about 6 hours until they sent a new plane.

Expect a full trip report soon, but it was pretty scary. They handled it very badly on the ground and we received one announcement in between when we were dumped into the lobby and ready to take off in a new plane.

Chris

Boy Chris, that sucks,...glad you were okay, and you now you got all of the bad karma out of the way for the rest of your Ireland trip....Mebbe you'll get another trip out of them? Safety is the important thing!

yeah, yeah, yeah...

But onto more important matters. Did they serve Finlandia or Smirnoff?

(glad you're okay!)

Here's some info before it disappears on the web.

Scheduled: PHL 805 pm - DUB 7:55 am+1
Actual: PHL-YHZ 834 pm - 1135 pm
YHZ-DUB 0604-1517

6.5 hours in YHZ -ouch!

Thanks, it was pretty scary, the time between the loud noise, the plane obviously changing course, and the pilots announcement.

I was flying from DUB to LHR on 5/24 and I saw that the US flight to PHL had been delayed. It was behind our 321 on the taxiway at 5:00. I was wondering why it was so late. Obviously the replacement plane was late in arriving. Fortunately all must have gone well.

Never had this happen to me, but have been curious as to what it was like.

Was the loud noise the engine failing? What did the pilot have to say? Were people on the plane freaking out? If you don't mind, I'd like to hear more details on your experience.

http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_east/20030525jetlandeast9p9.asp

I'm going to write all about it in a trip report.

Can anyone tell us the aircraft's registry?

Also, where do they get a spare 767 (or A330) from?

no way... I can't believe this...a friend of mine was on that flight!!!

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by catwood:
Not sure if anyone was aware, but I was on US306 PHL-DUB and we had an engine failure and ended up making an emergency landing into Halifax, Nova Scotia. We flew on one engine for about 70 miles. After getting to halifax it was a complete mess and had to stay there for about 6 hours until they sent a new plane.

Expect a full trip report soon, but it was pretty scary. They handled it very badly on the ground and we received one announcement in between when we were dumped into the lobby and ready to take off in a new plane.

Chris</font>

Chris - I'm sure it was pretty scary but supposedly the planes are designed to be able to fly on one engine quite a long distance. I had a similar incident almost 2 years ago on a DL 757 ( http://www.flyertalk.com/pasttalk/ftpasttalk_forum/Forum81/HTML/001887.html )

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by peteropny:
Chris - I'm sure it was pretty scary but supposedly the planes are designed to be able to fly on one engine quite a long distance. </font>

Yes, all multi engine planes are certified to take off at full gross weight on one engine, including a 747. A pretty slow climb rate, for sure. So, to continue cruising after losing one engine is something that's rare, but easily remedied and handled with training. Sounds like the pilot didn't miss class on those days of practicing 'engine out' landings.....

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PHL:
Yes, all multi engine planes are certified to take off at full gross weight on one engine, including a 747. A pretty slow climb rate, for sure.</font>

I don't know anything about this, but would a 747 really take off with three of its four engines out?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by peteropny:
Chris - I'm sure it was pretty scary but supposedly the planes are designed to be able to fly on one engine quite a long distance. I had a similar incident almost 2 years ago on a DL 757 ( http://www.flyertalk.com/pasttalk/ftpasttalk_forum/Forum81/HTML/001887.html )</font>


And sometimes 767's show off what they can do on NO engines:

http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html

http://www.elchineroconcepts.com/Technology%20Folder/gimli_glider.htm

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by HeHateY:
Can anyone tell us the aircraft's registry?</font>

651

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Also, where do they get a spare 767 (or A330) from?</font>

MHV http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Twins fly on one engine. It's an ETOPS requirement. You just have to be careful which way you turn the thing.

Chris -

Glad to hear that you're safe, and that you did finally get to Dublin, albeit very delayed.

On deelmakur's point - some ETOPS aircraft automatically adjust the flight control surfaces to compensation for the loss of an engine and the thrust coming only from one side of the aircraft. No idea if the 767-200 is one of those aircraft.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by HeHateY:
Also, where do they get a spare 767 (or A330) from?</font>

The folks at usaviation say that the PIT-CLT-LAX flight is where the replacement came from.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by deelmakur:
Twins fly on one engine. It's an ETOPS requirement.</font>

Just to be more specific, all twins should be able to fly on one engine, and even continue takeoff on one engine if a certain speed on the runway is reached and abort if unsafe. ETOPS requirement is only if the a/c operates over water or away from a suitable runway for over a specified amount of time (120, 180, 207 minutes).

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by mbmbbost:
would a 747 really take off with three of its four engines out?</font>

Yes, at least in 2 conditions.

1. Ferry flight (no pax, cargo) to get the a/c to a repair depot.

2. A certain takeoff speed on the runway has been reached and an abort is unsafe. I've been on a BA 747-200 that lost an engine on the takeoff roll from THR but continued take off nonetheless.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TomBascom:
The folks at usaviation say that the PIT-CLT-LAX flight is where the replacement came from.</font>

I flew N651US from LAX to PIT on US44 on May 9th. She's the first 767 that was delivered to USAir from Boeing, as opposed to being an inherited Pacemaker. (Though I believe she was ordered by Piedmont)

All the PI 767's were "-ER" and had to have the ability to fly CLT-LGW.

I was in the US club (A gates PHL) and talked to a couple of ladies going to DUB on the 23rd on that flight. I was going to AMS that evening.

When something really wrong goes on an airplane, does the airline ever try and compensate the passengers for the inconvenience?

I mean, they give a certain amount of airline miles if a US Shuttle flight requires you to not use a Jetway. You'd think they'd give you at least double that if they force you to make an emergency landing.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bfunkjeep:
When something really wrong goes on an airplane, does the airline ever try and compensate the passengers for the inconvenience?
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Case in point - back about 1996-97 I was supposed to fly MDT-SIN via DTW and NRT (on NW). Plane problems forced the cancellation of the DTW-SIN flight; we were rerouted via ORD. In addition to an upgrade from C to F (probably necessary to get us onto the ORD-NRT flight) NW gave us 20K miles "for our inconvenience." I think at the time it was NW policy to do this any time a C or F long-haul passenger was affected in this way.

&gt;"When something really wrong goes on an airplane, does the airline ever try and compensate the passengers for the inconvenience? "

A few years ago, the Friday PHL-LGW had to return to Philly, after leaving an hour late, and, arriving about midnight, we spent most of the night in the airport. USAir couldn't have been nicer and more accommodating. It's not as if they were thrilled to have this situation any more than the passengers, many of whom felt they were entitled to go right to the hotel and get comped for the rest of their life. They called in extra service agents, got lots of food (box lunches), coffee, pillows, blankets, phone cards, and were most tolerant of the ignorant passengers who took this whole event as an affront to their lives. The crew flew the plane to Charlotte, brought back another one, we got a new crew, and we did arrive, yes, about 12 hours later than scheduled.

Deplaning, we were given flight coupons worth $300. for our inconveniences.

It's my philosophy if the pilot doesn't think it's safe to fly across the pond with only one of whatever, I'm with him/her.

Jane in PHL

This is so odd.. why has it been impossible for me to read anything about this? Is it not "newsworthy"?
--Alex