US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-FlightFund Merger) - Help!!! A Cockroach on my Lapel

Ever see those ads for custom laper pins in the back of Attache? I am wondering what it would cost and what the interest here would be in having a custom Cockroach Lape pin made? It show Ben & Dave just how proud we are that they noticed us and the UA FA's can easily identify us. Any comments? Interest? The only thing is we couldn't use the US Air Flag Logo unless the gave permission.

PineyBob - You ARE the King of Cockroaches. I will call my promo vendor tomorrow. I imagine minimum quantity ia 100-500 and the cost about $1.00-$200.

Im in, as long as the price is closer to $1.00 and not $200.00. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:
PineyBob - You ARE the King of Cockroaches. I will call my promo vendor tomorrow. I imagine minimum quantity ia 100-500 and the cost about $1.00-$200.</font>

Count me in.

I'm in, can we get the cockroach and the USAIR logo on the pin?

Chris

Count me in for one!

Depending upon cost, I'll take one. I'm a cockroach and wouldn't want to spend too much http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif.

If you put the Logo on there without permission from US Air you are begging to hear from their legal department. Plus I doubt if you would find a vendor who would produce it without an authorization from US Air! But a cute little cockroach scurrying across the stylized US Air Flag is exactly the design I had in mind.

If we get a good design and some publicity we could end up with pins that will over time become collectors items! Just imagine selling your pin 5 years from now on E-bay for $500.00 and having 20 - 30 people bidding on it! Aiye 'tis a marvelous ting lads 'n Lassies.

And Knock off this "King of the Cockroaches" Bullsh*t, All I am is a junior Cockroach working his way up the ladder and blessed with a devilish imagination and a big mouth

I'm in for at least a couple.

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I'll take a bunch -- I'll hand them out to fellow cockroaches as I discover them.

BTW -- if you're flying on a full fare you should flip it upside down or hide it beneath you lapel or some such thing...

Kinda like a secret handshake...

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:
I imagine minimum quantity ia 100-500 and the cost about $1.00-$200.</font>

Can I get a discount if I order them 3 weeks in advance? On a Saturday night? Can I call you at 12:01am?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PineyBob:
If you put the Logo on there without permission from US Air you are begging to hear from their legal department.</font>

I agree; a simple alternative would be to reproduce the United States flag in dark gray/white. I don't think anyone would notice the difference. And of course, there's no trademark infringement - B. Ross' expired some time ago.

deelmakur deelmakur: MAKE THIS MADNESS STOP!

you started it. Tom Bascom and nawlinsdoc breathed life into it. PineyBob is now attempting to create a movement. (atc notes that it jumped the shark way back in, oh, october.)

so only you, deelmakur, possess the power and gravitas to bring this cockroach mania to a fitting and dignified end. an end that it richly deserves.

please?

No, I disagree.
The entire airline industry--as Deelmakur constantly points out--is so out of touch with it's core customers, that they see no harm in constantly, slowly, removing benefits for our loyalty. ALL the airlines are risking alienating us, making us hostile passengers. US just is at the forefront.
Think of the press this could generate...we FFers need to find ways to communicate our frustration in a loud, but gentle manner. We are already on a very slippery slope. 'twon't be long before we're just passengers on flying Greyhounds with no perks at all...

hey, don't get me wrong. I love the cockroach movement. but I know myself, and I do tend to get slightly paranoid after three gin and tonics, and 6,000 foot cabin altitude. I just don't want to experience a twilight-zone moment stepping out of the First Class lavatory only to see an entire compartment of cockroach-wearing passengers staring and smiling at me.

Producer gets my vote! Humor is a very effective way to communicate. Wait until the media gets hold of this. I will personally call WPVI and the other PHL Stations if someone will take care of the other hubs. It will be fun and actually help US Air when they see us on TV touting our loyalty and at the same time making our point to the rest of the airline industry in a humorous and light hearted way.

I personally want to invite MR. Siegel to don his Austin Powers costume for a publicity stunt in PHL for the cameras, GOD this has endless possibilities. I could make him an honarary cockroach and put a lapel pin on him while Channel 6 films the silliness. Have the FA notice his lapel pin and make him sit in the middle seat in the last row of Coach.

E-mail me off line when you find out the particulars regarding cost. I AM serious as a heart attack on this! If we are doing this then lets do it! Time to put up or shut up.

Oh and BTW, pee on the shark for me! We're just getting started! Cockroaches are stubborn and hard to kill! US is about to find this out.

Just a PS to the above! I have had the opportunity to speak on several occassions recently with several US employees and I accidently when ask for my DM Number said "I am a Cockroach Preffered" then gave the number. The surprise was on all occassions no one EVER questioned my description of myself. So they know about us! And each time I mentioned it they seem to get more kissy face and nice. The Lapel pin will push them over the edge LOL

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PineyBob:
Cockroaches are stubborn and hard to kill! US is about to find this out.</font>

Cockroaches have been around almost since the beginning of time and they will exist long after this planet is fried. We will still be cockroaches, maybe not on US if it goes extinct, but on another carrier. I can see Leo and Don starting to get out the bug spray.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ATC:
hey, don't get me wrong. I love the cockroach movement. but I know myself, and I do tend to get slightly paranoid after three gin and tonics, and 6,000 foot cabin altitude. I just don't want to experience a twilight-zone moment stepping out of the First Class lavatory only to see an entire compartment of cockroach-wearing passengers staring and smiling at me. </font>

Most of Crystal City shares your nightmare, apparently.....


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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by biggs:
Cockroaches have been around almost since the beginning of time and they will exist long after this planet is fried. We will still be cockroaches, maybe not on US if it goes extinct, but on another carrier. I can see Leo and Don starting to get out the bug spray.

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Not to worry, we've managed to outlive Raid, Black Flag, and silly plans to eliminate discounted FF status miles.

I'll take one. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

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Lurking on the AA board, I found that they are starting to call themselves cockroaches. They have suggested a new term (cockroAAches) because we had it first. I think we should trademark "cockroach preferred" before someone else steals it. We are the first real cockroaches and have to give thanks to Ben B. for letting us multiply so fast and scurrying to all the other carriers.

Geez--to think when I was in college, a roach had a completely different meaning http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by biggs:
Geez--to think when I was in college, a roach had a completely different meaning http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif. </font>

LOL! Never made that connection!

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by biggs:
Geez--to think when I was in college, a roach had a completely different meaning http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif. </font>

In line with that comment, I present to you the ditty from LHR Tim

La cucaracha, la cucaracha,
Ya no puede caminar;
Porque no tiene, porque le falta
Marijuana que fumar.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ATC:
deelmakur deelmakur: MAKE THIS MADNESS STOP!

you started it. Tom Bascom and nawlinsdoc breathed life into it. PineyBob is now attempting to create a movement. (atc notes that it jumped the shark way back in, oh, october.)

so only you, deelmakur, possess the power and gravitas to bring this cockroach mania to a fitting and dignified end. an end that it richly deserves.</font>

I had a dream last week that jkzahn woke up to find a bloodied cockroach head in his bed.

I want one! ! But let's get them color coordinated according to our "status".....HELL I'd pay over a buck for a platinum colored cockroach to designate me as a Chairman's Preferred.

I almost forgot... how many miles do we get for each pin that we buy?

Is it ok if we pay with unused non-refundable tickets? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I am prepared to fund a portion of this endeavor and I am reluctant to profit from this. Irabk had the contact for the pins. We need to hear from him.

Depending on cost, I think you should beprepared to pay for the first one. Additional one could be awarded on a longest trip for lowest price in true cockroach fashion.

I just want my royalties.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PineyBob:
I am prepared to fund a portion of this endeavor...</font>

Me too. At least up to the cost of a V ticket http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

I'd in for a cockroach preferred pin.

I'm also in for at least two pins.

First of all, sorry for the $1.00-$200 typo. It should have been $1-2 (fat, excited fingers), and that is just a guess rigt now. The minimum production run will probably be around 250 (+/-) units.

I called my vendor and she is searching for cockroach pin suppliers. The next step is to settle on a design.

A) Black cockroach with united states flag in blue & grey on it's back (no legal issues with US logo).

B) Black cockroach sitting on above mentioned flag.

Chime in here with other designs.

As I do this regularly at work (coordinate between artists and vendors) I understand that this section of the process is like making sausages and laws, ugly to watch.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:
Chime in here with other designs.</font>

A cockroach scurrying across the upper left corner of a storm drain would work nicely...

A plain, unadorned cockroach would also be quite acceptable.

I vote for design "B" but either of ours or Tom's suggestion is fine with me. Assuming we get this whole thing together in time for christmas and all of us who wants pins gets them. The next step IMHO is to publicise them and our reasons for taking this unique and unusual step.

Once we get the initial distributed/sold what hen is the goal of all of this? To have a little fun or to create a "movement" that will publicize how the big six continue screwing their most loyal customers?

We could have a Cockroach OF The Year Award.

Most Cockroach Unfriendly Airline.

The list of ideas and possibilities are endless

Count me in for a few!! What ever design is fine with me

I'd get a couple.
Design B sounds best.

Design B definitely. And I'll take one. Especially now that it looks like I'll be coming back to the US Airways fold, after my extended absence.

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I love to have a good time and joke around but....

I have to admit I am unsure about this. What we do in the "privacy" of FT or at a FT gathering is one thing. To bring it out in the open is another thing.

I do not enjoy public embarrassment of anyone or any organization.

These are tough times and we need our investment in US to survive. Just the rumor that US don’t like their passengers, coupled with the bankruptcy, will cause many people to choose other carriers.

I for one need want this airline to survive. I have a lot of miles at stake.

I also don't want to embarrass the front line staff. We have a beef with management and not them.

If I order one, it would be for any FT gathering I attend(if I ever can make one).

Mileshound raises a very valid point! I thought of the positive aspects of publisizing this little tongue in check venture. My position is this

I LOVE US AIR! PERIOD!
Frankly my feelings are hurt!
I am stone cold loyal to this airline!
I AM doing this as a way to let management know that those who love you best feel unapreciated. Heck when I arrange a business trip for a group we ALL go US Air. I bring business with me.
I truly believe that managed properly US AIR could become the premier airline in the world in terms of custome service and satisfaction AND Profit. I remember in MSY, my co worker remarking to me on the staff rushing us through so we could make an earlier flight. "WOW, Delta would never do that for me and I am the same status as you over there" Nuff said!
I view the whole "cockroach' publicity stunt to fall into the "tough Love" category.

The above would be my "talkingPoints" if we went public.

PineyBob, I am with mileshound. This airline has been very good to me for many years. Thier frontline employees still are. OK, Baldanza made an ... out of himself with a statement or two - and some yahoo tried to blame us for the GOM fiasco that they allowed to happen. Otherwise it has been 18 good years.

What we say to the management in the Crystal Palace is one thing. Let's not embarrass the frontline employees who do a great job in spite of fearing losing their jobs every day.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gardener:
PineyBob, I am with mileshound. This airline has been very good to me for many years. Thier frontline employees still are. OK, Baldanza made an ... out of himself with a statement or two - and some yahoo tried to blame us for the GOM fiasco that they allowed to happen. Otherwise it has been 18 good years.

What we say to the management in the Crystal Palace is one thing. Let's not embarrass the frontline employees who do a great job in spite of fearing losing their jobs every day.</font>

Give the front line people some credit -- they know who's at fault and who is being held to account here. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if a very healthy "market" for these pins developed among the employees...

Management has the power to stop this from from happening -- all they need to do is reach out to us with sincere, believable and verifiable steps to repair the damage. The mere act of reaching out would win 80% of the battle.

In the meantime we should proceed. I'd like to have a pin ready just in case I ever run into a US Airway's executive on my journeys.

I'm just concerned that the cockroach connotation that we all understand here would not mean anything to your typical Joe Flyer 'eww, what's that on his lapel' or even USAirways employees. Maybe something a bit more obvious?

I like the idea of some sort of identification for fellow USAirways Flyertalkers (since we are somewhat of a unique subgroup, with an airline that's in quite disarray but also with a much smaller group than United, for example) ..

OK! The early concensus is a "secret" or "in" joke! I can support that!

QUESTION??

What if word gets out and this thing starts to get out of control? Then what?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PineyBob:
OK! The early concensus is a "secret" or "in" joke! I can support that!

QUESTION??

What if word gets out and this thing starts to get out of control? Then what? </font>


PineyBob- like you said, it's a "secret" or "in" joke. There has been enough press coverage of the trials and tribulations of US Air's "marketing" and our reaction to it. Out of control? Like having security stopping anyone with a cockroack pin from boarding?

Like you said a while back, this falls into the tough love catagory. If we hated US Air, we would stop flying them.

No out of control as in CNN gets hold of the story somehow.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PineyBob:
No out of control as in CNN gets hold of the story somehow. </font>

Ben better act fast to mend his bridges -- that might have been Lou Dobbs getting his feet wet asking how to earn miles...

Good first step with the CP mile carryover thing (although I suspect that it's a "me too" rather than an olive branch but I'm in a forgiving mood at the moment...)

Now he and his buddy Mike need to show that they really do care and engage in dialog with people who don't start their letters with "I applaud your recent changes..."

And I still want to know what the 17 letter expletive was http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

The airline keeps make reasons for people to not fly the airline (no standby, change fees, bankruptcy,etc).

They need to be an industry leader to give people a reason TO fly them and not someone else.

The average customer says that they are in bankruptcy, why should I fly them. My miles are useless, they have standby/change fees, etc.

They need to have a benefit that nobody else has then market it. Trying to nickle and dime the existing customer base is not going to do it.

It is tough love. I used to love this airline, now we are in counseling and a trial separation. Put me down for $100 worth of pins to give out to any other cockroaches I find on my few booked flights. Also want to give them out to some of the great agents I have dealt with after they ask "what is that".

I vote for B.

Irabk,
E-mail me off line let's light this candle! They will make wonderful Christmas gifts for the FF who has everything!

Count me in for a dozen.

Count me in for 1. Now, whether I fly them much anymore after the latest bonus fiasco...

I feel so lonely.

I'm in for a couple. It is only a matter of time before Ben & Dave revert to their full on assault of VFF.
It will be a good icebreaker when I am waiting at an airport because I refuse to pay the standby fee or better yet standing in a plane in PHL waiting for the jetway driver to show up.

I vote option "B"

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OK, now we are getting serious.

After speaking with my vendor, PineyBob and my art guy, the infamous "cockroach on my lapel" pin is coming together and looking like a go.

I have set up an e-mail account for this project: us_cockroach@comcast.net (this account may not be up until 11/14 in the evening). Drop me a line and include your guestimate of what you would like. If we can come close to the production run, we are in business and I will reply with further details. If not, I will go back and reprice at lower quantity.

Design: Metalic black finish cockroach pin with United States flag (in light grey/white) on it's back.

Projected cost: $3.50 ea based on a production run of 250.

Shipping:
UPS Ground is recommended as package can be tracked ($3.50-$4.00 domestic USA).
US Snail Mail - probably $.37, take a shot.

Tentative delivery date:
With a little luck, in your hands by mid December. Running into holiday shipments/mail, early January.

You should take out an ad in Attache for the cockroach pins, wouldn't that ruin Ben's day!

One company that sells pins and other merchandise advertised back in October. One of their featured designs was the old Delta widget with the small text reading "Award of Excellence" or something like that.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:
I have set up an e-mail account for this project: us_cockroach@comcast.net...</font>

Shouldn't that be fanclub@baldanza.net ??? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

We ought to get together a brochure to go with this. A little something that explains the movement that we could pass out to interested parties. I imagine that most of the core material is scattered around in the various threads since Black Tuesday. Are there any marketing types who could pull it all together in a coherent fashion?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TomBascom:
We ought to get together a brochure to go with this. A little something that explains the movement that we could pass out to interested parties. I imagine that most of the core material is scattered around in the various threads since Black Tuesday. Are there any marketing types who could pull it all together in a coherent fashion?</font>

Tom, the web site will be up soon. Gather the material.

The e-mail address: us_cockroach@comcast.net is up and running.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TomBascom:
We ought to get together a brochure to go with this. A little something that explains the movement that we could pass out to interested parties. I imagine that most of the core material is scattered around in the various threads since Black Tuesday. Are there any marketing types who could pull it all together in a coherent fashion?</font>

You could put them in the seat back pocket when you fly US. How about printing sticker advertisements and putting them in Attache?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PineyBob:
If you put the Logo on there without permission from US Air you are begging to hear from their legal department. Plus I doubt if you would find a vendor who would produce it without an authorization from US Air! But a cute little cockroach scurrying across the stylized US Air Flag is exactly the design I had in mind.
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I'm playing about 3 weeks of FT catch-up and this issue may be old and pins may be ordered but.....

I'm not 100% sure, but something tells me that you could use their logo if you alter it a bit and it's used in a satirical manner. Think of the COCAINE t-shirts using the same style writing as Coca Cola. On TV, The Daily Show, or Weekend Update on SNL, they've always been permitted to show the logos of various companies without permission even if they're bashing the company on the air. There is a certain amount of free use permitted in satire and if no one is making money off this (i.e. the pins are sold at cost) it might be possible.

For all your cockroach information needs...

www.us-cockroach.com (http://www.us-cockroach.com)

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:
For all your cockroach information needs...

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/us_cockroach/index.htm</font>

IMHO you should dump the flag -- a) it's too small & won't show up and b) it really doesn't work as a tie-in to our favorite airline.

Perhaps a more stylized cockroach on a background such as the website uses would work (use fatter bars though).

My thought would be to orientate the flag horizontally.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TomBascom:
IMHO you should dump the flag -- a) it's too small & won't show up and b) it really doesn't work as a tie-in to our favorite airline.

Perhaps a more stylized cockroach on a background such as the website uses would work (use fatter bars though).</font>

Tom, This is only the first round of art. The flag will change today or tomorrow. Stay tuned.

I would suggest the flag as the background with the cockaroach on top of it, covering most of it.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:
Tom, This is only the first round of art. The flag will change today or tomorrow.</font>

Just offering my $0.02 http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">
Stay tuned.
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Will do!

I just tried to look at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/us_cockroach/Art.htm, and I'm getting the old "Forbidden" message on that object.


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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TomBascom:
Good first step with the CP mile carryover thing (although I suspect that it's a "me too" rather than an olive branch but I'm in a forgiving mood at the moment...)</font>

A me too? I don't remember any other airline doing this before US did it last year ...

DL "me too"'ed it themselves this year, but it still doesn't change the fact US did it first last year.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Beckles:
A me too? I don't remember any other airline doing this before US did it last year ...

DL "me too"'ed it themselves this year, but it still doesn't change the fact US did it first last year.</font>

I was referring to this year.

Wow! thanks for all the suggestions, Irabk has it under control. Their is a very good Graphis person working with him. Remember in order to be affordable it has to be simple. I am ingognito for now lest Ben & dave cancel my accounts

We have a new home.

www.us-cockroach.com (http://www.us-cockroach.com)

New pin art proof posted.

I'd really rather see the stylized US flag. Something about the real United States flag (or a representation thereof) on a cockroach, well, makes my skin crawl.

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ClueByFour,

I already spoke to the vendor, and the basic shape is good, we only need to tweak the flag. I agree, not the American flag. Probably an obverse of the familiar logo. They were unsure, by my description over the phone. By end of day tomorrow, I hope to have the final art posted.

As this will be a one time order (or that is the plan) I will be ordering based on requests received both here and via email.

The pricing should be posted by end of day Thursday, and that number should be lower than the $3-$4 previously estimated (better pricing from new vendor).

I promise to stop posting the e-mail and web site, as they are both in this thread.

I agree. My eyes don't tear up any time I hear the Star Spangled Banner, and I generally think all the periodic flag burning amendment pushes are, well, silly. However, something about the design offends me. And I even know what it is supposed to represent. 99.98% of the folks who see this won't. Just be prepared to be slugged by an 82 year old American Legionaire if you wear one of these.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ClueByFour:
I'd really rather see the stylized US flag. Something about the real United States flag (or a representation thereof) on a cockroach, well, makes my skin crawl.

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I just spoke to the vendor and the new art will be up later tonight. Let me know what you think, and I will place the order on Friday.

Currently, the order quantity is 300, and 175 are alrady spoken for.

Just dropped a note to a reporter at the WSJ bringing this thread to his attention. He reports on loyalty programs and such. Might be interesting http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
Regards
Peter
"Cockroach Preferred"

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What I believe to be the final art is up. If there are no major issues, I will order 300 pins on Friday.

Pins worked out to be $3.00 ea. delivered.

Less than 5 pins go snail mail, 5 or more go UPS Ground. More than 12, $2.75 each.

Yes, us_cockroach even has a PayPal account.

Also check out biggs & cockroach's comments on what a cockroach is. Send your e-mails and I will put them up.

Irabk: Congratulations on the new art. Good move putting the US Airways flag on there, rather than a US flag. It looks great. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif

Might I suggest a small surcharge for paypal. The **** system takes a small cut out of each payment, and I wouldn't want you to have to make up the difference.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ITRADE:
Might I suggest a small surcharge for paypal. The **** system takes a small cut out of each payment, and I wouldn't want you to have to make up the difference.</font>


As I just set up the PayPal account for this project, I was not aware of all the details regarding PayPal. I did not set up this account to accept credit card payments to PayPal. To do so would add .40 per pin to the cost and I am reluctant to do that. If you are using PayPal, you need to have a balance in your account or have a checking account tied to it.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:

As I just set up the PayPal account for this project, I was not aware of all the details regarding PayPal. I did not set up this account to accept credit card payments to PayPal. To do so would add .40 per pin to the cost and I am reluctant to do that. If you are using PayPal, you need to have a balance in your account or have a checking account tied to it. </font>

Exactly....The fees for credit cards take a real chunk out of any payment.

I am going to let the PayPal paying people decide if they want to add the extra .40 or not use the credit card.

If I'm not doing PayPal, how should the check be made out?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by rtpflyer:
If I'm not doing PayPal, how should the check be made out?</font>

Make it out to Ira.

(complete mailing instructions are at www.us-cockroach.com (http://www.us-cockroach.com)


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PayPal issues have been resolved. Those PayPal users who choose to use their credit card can add the extra .40 and I will modify the account to accept credit cards.

I have spoken to the vendor late this afternoon and can call the order in on Monday morning and still meet the delivery date previously posted. Holiday delivery should be no problem.

Over 200 spoken for so far, 90 left. If there is a rush over the weekend, I can up the order on Monday.

I checked out PineyBob's quiz and LOL when I saw the response if your score is less than 6.

Can't wait for the pins. I have 2 trips left this year on US.

Not to be an art pest but...

Is the design supposed to be shaped like the bug or does it sit on a background? If it's shaped like the bug won't the legs break off? (and be hard to manufacture)

If it's sitting on a background it would appear to be rectangular -- wouldn't the obvious rectangle be "flag shaped" (and wouldn't the obvious flag be familiar...)

In any event -- it looks great! I can't wait.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TomBascom:
Not to be an art pest but...

Is the design supposed to be shaped like the bug or does it sit on a background? If it's shaped like the bug won't the legs break off? (and be hard to manufacture)

If it's sitting on a background it would appear to be rectangular -- wouldn't the obvious rectangle be "flag shaped" (and wouldn't the obvious flag be familiar...)

In any event -- it looks great! I can't wait.</font>


Shaped like a bug. Yes, the legs do stick out, but I will include a warning in each package not to break off the legs. Treat this pin like any "fine, delicate" jewelry.
If they say they can manufacture it, so be it.

The check will be in the mail soon, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif I swear. Save 4 pins for me. Does $3.10 x 4 cover it? I'm on a trip and will try to get the wife to mail a check tomorrow.

Regards,
Outoftown

It's starting to break in the news boys and girls I got a call from the St. Petersburg Times Business editor. This is the initial poster of this thread "Under Cover".
I agreed to talk to him on the condition that anything he writes be positive about US Air other wise it stops. Expect to be contacted if you post here. We need to agree on our message going forward

How do you 'spin' the cockroach angle positively?

It's good natured. We've been able to poke fun at ourselves, while at the same time, coming up with a not so subtle reminder to the company that we're out there in bigger numbers than they ever imagined. Maybe in the future they'll think before they say dumb things about their customers. Wear 'em proud.

They should've considered silver, gold, and platinum cockroaches for different elite levels.

Maybe the US4s could get plastic or that rubbery type ones found in toys at the dentist's office.

We need to place a few of these things in seatback pockets, but inside of those little half-plastic-globe jobs that the 5-cent trinket machines at the grocery stores used to spit out.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ClueByFour:
We need to place a few of these things in seatback pockets, but inside of those little half-plastic-globe jobs that the 5-cent trinket machines at the grocery stores used to spit out.</font>

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

I just wish we could get them in time for my Thanksgiving flights this week.

I am definitely looking forward to the conversation starter this will be.

Do you think US employees will catch on quickly and recognize us? I wonder what sort of reaction this will generate....

By the way, silly question but what is the appropraite positioning of a lapel pin and what direction would you recommend the cockroach be facing? :-)

Daniel

Flag up, what else.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:
Flag up, what else.</font>

Unless, of course, you are flying on a full fare. In which case the international distress sign should be used -- wear it with the flag upside down.

When you wear them, watch out for the Raid!

Insectus Deadicus...

I don't know how, but the pins have arrived; http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif from China, no less.

Shipments have started today, both US Mail and UPS.

They look just like the art. I will be taking a picture of the pin and posting it tonight.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by irabk:
[B]I don't know how, but the pins have arrived; http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif from China, no less.QUOTE]

WOOO HOOOO
rawbert

The pictures look terrific. Thanks for all your hard work on this, Ira!

According to my calculations, there are only 25 pins left.

I have been trying to keep track of everyone who requests a pin as well as who actually purchased a pin. I have been doing this for two reasons. First, I don't want anyone to send payment and not receive a pin. Second, I want to make sure that everyone who asked for one in this thread has a chance to get one.

My problem: Some of the purchasers do not give me their FT names. Maybe they have been double counted. To save me some hassle and possibly not sending a pin to someone who has requested one, if you have indicated interest for a pin in this thread, and have not yet taken any action, please e-mail me. I will hold your pins for you. If your check is in the mail, let me know.

Also, when you order, let me know your FT username, so I can mark you off the requested list.

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http://www.sptimes.com/2002/12/02/Business/A_secret_sign_for_fre.shtml

Check it out.

My cockroaches arrived on Saturday - cute little fellas!

Received it today -- super quality. Thanks for all of the effort that went into this and padded shipping too.

These will probably show up on ebay as collector's items!

Hello, Just your friendly undercover cockroach from mystic Island, NJ.

Now that US has a name do you think they will respond against me? All in all except for the use of my name I thought Steve did a nice job. It got someones attention over in Fort Fumble. What I want to know is how could they think that Ben's comments wouldn't offend? Or didn't they think?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Thief Of Hearts:
Hello, Just your friendly undercover cockroach from mystic Island, NJ.

It got someones attention over in Fort Fumble. </font>

Please explain further...

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Thief Of Hearts:
. . . do you think they will respond against me?</font>

To the contrary. I think the article points out that we are inordinately enamored of US and go to unusual (and sometimes inconvenient lengths) to fly them. Again, the insightful comments were great. They should invite you to write a guest Attaché piece in the Chairman’s Corner (or whatever it’s called these days)!

irabk,

Please sign me up for one--I'll put a check in the mail tomorrow.

The crackdown continues. Try finding any bonuses online. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by SonOfACockroach:
The crackdown continues. Try finding any bonuses online. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif</font>

It was so disappointing to look at the mileage posting details from my latest flight: I only received the actual miles plus the 100% bonus miles for being Gold.

Irabk it is the King of Cockroaches posting. The quiz writer. I was quoted in the bleeping article. wonder if I am now a target.

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OK, everyone take a deep breath and take a step or two back away from the cockroaches.

The 300 are just about gone. I have about 75 reserved for those that previously requested them in this post as well as those who e-mailed me before today.

(ClueByFour, flymetothemoon, GadgetFreak, woody1173, drop me an e-mail)

If there is enough demand, I will order a second run of 300.

If you have not contacted me (or posted here) with your request, please give me a few days to work through what I have here.


[This message has been edited by irabk (edited 12-02-2002).]

Received my pins in the mail today. Unfortunatly I am on a three legged flight and won't be home till Wednesday but the wife says they look great and wants one for herself..HA...Fat chance,,I am selling my extras on E-Bay. I'll take early bids now.

I had a GREAT Idea, we should send a pin to both Dave and Ben with our compliments. Send along a note telling them that if they ever see someone wearing this pin they should walk up to them, apologize to them and then thank that person for their unwavering commitment to their airline.

rawbert

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:
OK, everyone take a deep breath and take a step or two back away from the cockroaches.

The 300 are just about gone. I have about 75 reserved for those that previously requested them in this post as well as those who e-mailed me before today.

(ClueByFour, flymetothemoon, GadgetFreak, woody1173, drop me an e-mail)

If there is enough demand, I will order a second run of 300.

If you have not contacted me (or posted here) with your request, please give me a few days to work through what I have here.


[This message has been edited by irabk (edited 12-02-2002).]</font>

Done and done.

But hey, I sent in my payment days ago. Roach me.

I've got almost 18k miles on US this month. I need the roach. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif.


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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:
OK, everyone take a deep breath and take a step or two back away from the cockroaches.

The 300 are just about gone. I have about 75 reserved for those that previously requested them in this post as well as those who e-mailed me before today.

(ClueByFour, flymetothemoon, GadgetFreak, woody1173, drop me an e-mail)

If there is enough demand, I will order a second run of 300.

If you have not contacted me (or posted here) with your request, please give me a few days to work through what I have here.


[This message has been edited by irabk (edited 12-02-2002).]</font>

Hi, I sent you an email. Thanks. By the way, are you saving a pin for Ben? If anyone deserves on it is him! Maybe we an all chip in a penny for his. Sort of like a leasure fare pin ;-)




[This message has been edited by GadgetFreak (edited 12-03-2002).]

I got my pins today. They are great!!! I can't wait for my flights. Looking forward to hearing other roaches experiences with the pin.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Thief Of Hearts:
What I want to know is how could they think that Ben's comments wouldn't offend? Or didn't they think?</font>

Speaking of Mr. Baldanza, here's a link you might find interesting...if not a bit funny:

http://www.arlington.k12.va.us/departments/adulted/03wweb.pdf

Go to page 18 and lo and behold look who is there. Apparently Mr. Baldanza does a little free-lance teaching on the side. Maybe we could recommend a new game...how about "Whack a Roach?"

Wonder why Baldanza doesn't teach "Winning the Airfare Game?" (Page 20 in the pdf) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

That is hilarious.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ConnFlyer:
Speaking of Mr. Baldanza, here's a link you might find interesting...if not a bit funny:

http://www.arlington.k12.va.us/departments/adulted/03wweb.pdf

Go to page 18 and lo and behold look who is there. Apparently Mr. Baldanza does a little free-lance teaching on the side. Maybe we could recommend a new game...how about "Whack a Roach?"

Wonder why Baldanza doesn't teach "Winning the Airfare Game?" (Page 20 in the pdf) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

</font>


Us DC area folks should all sign up for this and go wearing our cockroach pins. We could get together for a meal at this gathering as well.

ConnFlyer-

I don't know how you found that pdf about Baldanza's teaching, but this is the funniest thing I've seen all day. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I did not know the European's produced a version of Chutes 'N Ladders "The Cut off Your Nose to Spite Your Face" edition.


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Oh man. That almost makes me wish I had gone to college a little closer to home. Or maybe I can get myself back into top cockroach form to go to that class. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

300 Pins gone, just like that. Over 200 already shipped, with another 70 reserved, waiting for payments.

PneyBob started this thread on 11-07-2002 at 09:10 PM, less than a month ago. If anyone is still interested in cockroach pins (and I think there are still quite a few), let me know and I will start working on a list for the second order.

I think we have seen only the start of this. I got an e-mail from someone involved in one of USA Today's FF Travel Panels, and I believe there will be more exposure.

I also think this might start to be a US Air employee insider thing as well. I have received pin requests from two admitted employees (and no idea if any others are undisclosed) as well as their support. Our concern that the rank and file might take offense to this was way off. They understand and are behind us.

I will try to post as much as I can from these messages, with the submitters permission.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by A320 EOW:
ConnFlyer-

I don't know how you found that pdf about Baldanza's teaching, but this is the funniest thing I've seen all day. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

</font>

Actually, I just moved to Arlington and I received the Adult Ed booklet in the mail. I was just perusing through when I came across the bio on Baldanza.

While I don't fly US much these days (DL's my primary carrier), I knew some on this board would appreciate learning a little more about their favorite US employee.

Let the floodgates reopen. The second order has been placed.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Alysia:

Us DC area folks should all sign up for this and go wearing our cockroach pins. </font>

I think that would be pure comedy. The look on his face if 20 of us walked in would be priceless. If I'm somehow in town on one of those Tuesdays I would consider it - the location is only a few blocks from where I live.

This is great! Now if we can just get Ben's classes filled with cockroaches.

Someobody call group reservations, and see if we can get a rate to DCA http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif.

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Are there any left?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:
Let the floodgates reopen. The second order has been placed. </font>

Yes. I called in a reorder this afternoon. The vendor gave me terms that can guarantee pins as long as there is demand. Don't worry about having to buy one on ebay.

Check the website for updated info.

The best quote is from the course description for his course:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Learn about a great alternative to watching TV or browsing the web after dinner and a good way to foster family and friend socialization.</font>
So I guess we should play board games instead of booking tickets on usairways.com? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by markbach:
The best quote is from the course description for his course:
Learn about a great alternative to watching TV or browsing the web after dinner and a good way to foster family and friend socialization.</font>
So I guess we should play board games instead of booking tickets on usairways.com? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Can you take back your moves on those board games? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Alysia:

Us DC area folks should all sign up for this and go wearing our cockroach pins. We could get together for a meal at this gathering as well.</font>


I think that if we could get a one-day pass, it would be great for the monthly DC FT meeting but that means non-US cockroaches would be allowed. I'd fly in for that one but I wonder if I should do it on US or not.

BTW, I got my pins and am donating one to geo1004 (he lives) if our schedules for being in Raleigh ever coincide.

NO! The moves are do it or lose it! Don't forget to vote for Ben at the othere website. He's way ahead. Wonder if he knows about it yet?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Thief Of Hearts:
This is great! Now if we can just get Ben's classes filled with cockroaches.</font>

I'm pretty sure that they aren't lining up for Ben's class. I would love to attend one myself just to ask him why he hates me. I guess he needs a little distraction from his long hours of ruining a major airline.

I'm glad he has found something better to do on Tuesdays than sneeking in changes to his FF program and alienating his best customers.

Ouch! Don't mince words Foodguy, Tell us how you really feel. Don't forget to vote for Ben at
www.airwhiners.com (http://www.airwhiners.com)

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by biggs:

I think that if we could get a one-day pass, it would be great for the monthly DC FT meeting but that means non-US cockroaches would be allowed. I'd fly in for that one but I wonder if I should do it on US or not.
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Each of these two classes are each just one evening session.

Well, guys, now you've done it; you've gotten me into hot water with my landlady!She picked up my mail the day the padded mailer arrived (complete with cockroach logo), and left me a worried phone message asking if I've had a roach problem in my apartment!!

I don't think she believed me when I had to explain the whole concept of Cockroach Preferred®...

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by goldstj2:
I think that would be pure comedy. The look on his face if 20 of us walked in would be priceless. If I'm somehow in town on one of those Tuesdays I would consider it - the location is only a few blocks from where I live. </font>

This is too funny... He looks like a real goofball. I couldn't resist the temptation of looking up where he lives.. hmmm.. round the corner from me..... Wow, not a shabby valuation on his house either (7 figures).... I gather that they haven't cut back on the executive salaries in the Crystal Palace. I'll keep an eye out for him when I go shopping in the town of McLean. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Maybe you should mail him a pin. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Or is this all getting a bit too intrusive on the guy's personal life?

If he wants a pin, he can buy one, like the rest of us cockroaches (including USAir employees) are doing. He has the $$$.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gnaget:
... Or is this all getting a bit too intrusive on the guy's personal life?</font>

Yes.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Arrzee:
Yes. </font>

Perhaps he should have planned ahead and considered his words and thoughts more carefully.


BTW This just in from www.airwhiner.net (http://www.airwhiner.net)

Results (total votes = 250):
Gordon Bethune 32 / 12.8%

David Siegel 13 / 5.2%

Ben Baldanza 169 / 67.6%

Robert Milton 24 / 9.6%

Jack Creighton 12 / 4.8%

Vote early vote often

It's actually www.airwhiners.net (http://www.airwhiners.net)

The voting system is acting more like Florida to me than Chicago. Does anybody know how to remedy this?

I got my little CockRoaches last night, as I got home after a shuttle flight. They are great. Thanks so much for doing this. I wish I had gotten my act together and ordered them when you first got them. On my flight from LGA to DCA Monday there seemed to be some US management on the flight. I could have shown them my pin! Oh well, more opportunities are possible, Im on US for Christmas. Maybe given the current environment I should wear one on my UA flight Sunday.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by GadgetFreak:
Maybe given the current environment I should were one on my UA flight Sunday.</font>

My Understanding was that we were to wear "BugNuts" (I named mine) EVERY TIME WE FLEW! So please let us know. I love wearing "BugNuts", in fact I usually wear him to work anyways flying or not!

I just got home today to collect my mail (for the first time since Thanksgiving) and my pin was waiting for me! Way cool!

Here's some pictures: http://dark.ee.udel.edu/cockroach/

Ira, feel free to steal these for use on www.us-cockroach.com, (http://www.us-cockroach.com,) I think they turned out a little clearer than the picture you have up there now.

At 3:02 am this morning, www.us-cockroach.com (http://www.us-cockroach.com) receieved it's 500th visitor. Over 150 since December 14th.

Just like McD's..over 500 served.

I wonder if McDonalds can be credited with inventing the visitor counter? <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by irabk:
At 3:02 am this morning, www.us-cockroach.com (http://www.us-cockroach.com) receieved it's 500th visitor. Over 150 since December 14th. </font>

us-cockroach.com just crossed 1000 visitors. The volume just keeps going up & up.

I have also added a GuestMap. If you visited before, please come back and enter your location into the map.

A cockroach poll has also been added.

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I am in for the stickers. I think with most US employees trying to do their best right now we should show our loyalty and add some humor and media attention at these tough times.
This also could go as a new currency. I suggest the exchange rate should be $4.00 for one sticker, so you can pay easier your drink in cattle class, :-)

Question...

I'm flying UA this week on a "T" fare (their version of "V") - $123 w/ taxes PHL-SEA r/t. I'm crediting the miles to US, though.

Am I "allowed" to wear my pin?

Does paying little $ to someone else AND getting status miles make me the "ultimate roach"?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by markbach:
Question...

I'm flying UA this week on a "T" fare (their version of "V") - $123 w/ taxes PHL-SEA r/t. I'm crediting the miles to US, though.

Am I "allowed" to wear my pin?

Does paying little $ to someone else AND getting status miles make me the "ultimate roach"?</font>

The real question is, are you upgrading? IF so, then you are indeed, the "ultimate roach." http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

While working at the ticket counter today I had my first cockroach sighting! None other than trvlr64.

We had a very enjoyable talk and some of my colleagues learned about cockroaches.
Among other things, we discussed the new and improved $25.00 S/B fee. I told him that I have been collecting more revenue in S/B fees since it was lowered than before when few people were willing to pay it; I hope this is the case across the system.

It was good to hear his kind words about US. He also inspired me to get my own pin.

I hope to see more of you in my soon to be Expressed station before my furlough date next month. To all of you whether or not you sport a pin: Thank you for your loaylty and support!

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by markbach:
Question...

I'm flying UA this week on a "T" fare (their version of "V") - $123 w/ taxes PHL-SEA r/t. I'm crediting the miles to US, though.

Am I "allowed" to wear my pin?

Does paying little $ to someone else AND getting status miles make me the "ultimate roach"?</font>


I think (a judgement call) you should wear your pin whenever you travel. I do.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">

I am in for the stickers. I think with most US employees trying to do their best right now we should show our loyalty and add some humor and media attention at these tough times.
This also could go as a new currency. I suggest the exchange rate should be $4.00 for one sticker, so you can pay easier your drink in cattle class, :-) </font>

Stickers? Did I miss something during my last nap?


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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ConnFlyer:
Speaking of Mr. Baldanza, here's a link you might find interesting...if not a bit funny:

http://www.arlington.k12.va.us/departments/adulted/03wweb.pdf


Go to page 18 and lo and behold look who is there. Apparently Mr. Baldanza does a little free-lance teaching on the side. Maybe we could recommend a new game...how about "Whack a Roach?"

Wonder why Baldanza doesn't teach "Winning the Airfare Game?" (Page 20 in the pdf) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

</font>


Did anybody ever go to this???

There's one more class next week, Feb. 11.



[This message has been edited by Viajero Joven (edited 02-06-2003).]

Hi All,

I was in GSO last night trying to get to LGA, weather had us all messed up. Anyways, while in the club I started to talk with the two hostesses' and asked if they saw many cockroach pin fliers.

One had kind of heard something about it and the other did not. I had a nice talk with them, explained what the pin meant and was sure to be clear that they knew this was our way of showing contempt towards US management and they way they are treating both the pax and front line employee's.

I wanted to make sure they didn't feel like we were attacking them in any way.

The short of it is this, I gave each one of them a Cockroach pin and they absolutely loved them.

So next time your in GSO say hi to two new members of the club.

rawbert

I just ran some numbers, and did a little review on the pin orders. About 10% of the pins have gone to US employees! So keep your eyes peeled. You may see a pin on the next US employee you happen to pass.

The roach has been seen on the Iberian Peninsula. Five flight attendants were proud recipients (one had seen the report in USA Today) and all of them walked off the aircraft wearing the pin. I was careful to explain, as were the others in their posts above, that the pin shows our dissatisfaction with US management and that we continue to fly US because of the staff.

CWPFLY

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ConnFlyer:
Apparently Mr. Baldanza does a little free-lance teaching on the side. </font>

B Ben's at it again ...

http://www.arlington.k12.va.us/departments/adulted/Spring-Summer03_Final.pdf

Page 18 of the linked pdf file shows B Ben's two adult ed classes, "Beyond Monopoly" and "New Games for Two Players."

I'm not a fan of this moderator business, but I hope the post above doesn't remain.

Is anyone else having problems getting the back to stay on the pin? Mine and my husbands keep falling off. By the way has anyone considered a little sticker instead of the pin? Just an idea I had when the back get falling off inside my shirt.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by cndij:
Is anyone else having problems getting the back to stay on the pin? Mine and my husbands keep falling off. By the way has anyone considered a little sticker instead of the pin? Just an idea I had when the back get falling off inside my shirt.</font>

We have heard from a couple of people that have experienced this issue. After contacting the pin vendor, they suggested we changed to a different back that holds more securely. All new pins contain this new back.