US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-FlightFund Merger) - Premium Awards - Do They Earn Miles or Not

Do Premium Awards earn miles?

[This message has been edited by nbkob74 (edited 01-25-2003).]

The first rule of USAirways club is you don't talk about USAirways club

[This message has been edited by pitflyer (edited 01-25-2003).]

Hmmmmm. I don't know what the big "secret" is. My 40K CP awards never accrued miles.

nkbob,
you are absolutely NOT supposed to receive miles for any award travel.

I wouldn't mention this again.

TPA us ff, the reason you do not earn miles on premium awards is because you are honest and not trying to steal miles that are not yours.

Unfortunately, there are those who choose to go beyond the decent bounds of using the ff program rules to their advantage and use trickery and dis-honesty to get miles that they are in no way entitled to.

<sniped for nawlinsdoc> http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Honest individuals do not stand by while thieves raid the larder in the dead of night...




[This message has been edited by Jerry Garcia (edited 01-25-2003).]

Just for the sake of the argument, is there anything etched into a tablet somewhere that explicitly states that no award travel earns miles?

Terms and Conditions states that "Miles may only be earned for tickets purchased for travel on regularly scheduled flights and published routes." However, the very next sentence states, "Voluntary flight connections for the purpose of earning additional miles or segments are not permitted."

Two points:
1) Couldn't you argue whether redeeming miles (sometimes with purchased miles) for a ticket constitues a "purchase?"
2) Assuming the first Terms and Conditions sentence above is the one that prohibits earning miles on a Premium Award, why is that prohibition sacrosanct, while the very next sentence regarding voluntary flight connections for miles or segments is regularly and enthusiastically violated? In fact, some could claim that the latter violation more-or-less captures the essential spirit of FlyerTalk?

Spin webs any way you wish. Just because the bank accidentally leaves the back door ajar does not mean it's right to take the cash. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Hey, I think I liked the thing about thieves eating lard better. Dunno what it means, but it sounded great!

Wow, Jerry. You musta been smoking some bad ****. Anyway, I still maintain we shouldn't talk about it, and we should even delete our posts about it.

It's not like we fly premium awards very often anyway.

[This message has been edited by nawlinsdoc (edited 01-25-2003).]

I've never done it and never would do it because I think it's wrong, and I'll post it and not delete in hope that US Airways will fix the problem.

There have been reports that if you submit a missing mileage request for a Premium Award you will get miles posted to your account.

I think it's pretty obvious that the reason you'll only get miles if you submit a missing mileage request is because you're not supposed to get miles in the first place, I don't think any reasonable person can deny that.

Considering how many miles it cost to fly a premium award, and how little they are used for the most part relative to other kinds of tickets, I think it's a very small problem for US anyway. Maybe they should be worrying more about not liquidating themselves. That's all I'm saying.

In addition, Beckles, by deleting posts about it, we are discouraging the practice. The less FT'ers that know, the better. Leaving posts up in fact may encourage people to do it.

By the way, thanks, Jerry. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by nawlinsdoc (edited 01-25-2003).]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by nawlinsdoc:
Considering how many miles it cost to fly a premium award, and how little they are used for the most part relative to other kinds of tickets, I think it's a very small problem for US anyway. Maybe they should be worrying more about not liquidating themselves. That's all I'm saying.</font>

I disagree with this line of thought.

[This message has been edited by dingo (edited 01-25-2003).]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ATC:

Just for the sake of the argument, is there anything etched into a tablet somewhere that explicitly states that no award travel earns miles?</font>

Yep.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Terms and Conditions states that "Miles may only be earned for tickets purchased for travel on regularly scheduled flights and published routes." However, the very next sentence states, "Voluntary flight connections for the purpose of earning additional miles or segments are not permitted."

Two points:
1) Couldn't you argue whether redeeming miles (sometimes with purchased miles) for a ticket constitues a "purchase?"</font>

Maybe a "purchase", but not a purchase. They are referring to purchased tickets, with dollars, not with miles.

Yes, you could buy 100% of the miles needed for an award ticket, and then it would really be a "purchase", but still not a real purchase, and besides, I hope no one would actually something as dumb as that.


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">2) Assuming the first Terms and Conditions sentence above is the one that prohibits earning miles on a Premium Award, why is that prohibition sacrosanct, while the very next sentence regarding voluntary flight connections for miles or segments is regularly and enthusiastically violated? In fact, some could claim that the latter violation more-or-less captures the essential spirit of FlyerTalk?[/B]</font>

Delta says the same thing, but they happen to enforce it better. Lack of enforcement does not invalidate the T&C.