Starwood Preferred Guest - San Francisco Area Starwood Hotels (General Discussion 2008 Onward)

Hello,
I have visitors coming to town and despite my best efforts to keep them away from tourist central, they still want to stay at Fisherman's Wharf.

Unfortunately, the Sheraton FW hasn't been giving very good reviews on this board. I see they have completed renovations recently. Does anyone have any recent experiences there? Any assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks, and happy new year to all.

Hello,
I have visitors coming to town and despite my best efforts to keep them away from tourist central, they still want to stay at Fisherman's Wharf.

Unfortunately, the Sheraton FW hasn't been giving very good reviews on this board. I see they have completed renovations recently. Does anyone have any recent experiences there? Any assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks, and happy new year to all.

I live in Berkeley and am contemplating staying at the Sheraton Wharf using C&P this weekend. The post reno pics look good on SPG, but can anyone offer first hand knowledge?

Thanks.

EDIT: Picture link - http://www.starwoodhotels.com/sheraton/property/photos/index.html?propertyID=315

The outdoor pool is the highlight of the hotel. It has been two months since I was there and the place was undergoing construction in the lobby area near the pool entrance. Cash & Points is a good way to go. The tourist ambience in the area is prevalent.

My preference would be to stay at Westin Market Street or St. Francis and catch transportation to Fisherman's Wharf. The hotels downtown are much higher caliber and located in the center of stuff for plenty of options. All depends on what you want. Fisherman's Wharf area has its tourist and seaside charm.

Hi.

My spouse, 2.5yr old toddler and I are planning our first ever trip to SF at the end of March and I am hoping to use my ~20k Starpoints towards three nights in SF proper. I'm an SPG Gold member.

I've browsed this and the many other SF threads I could find but haven't really found anything directed towards someone staying with small children (or just one in our case).

Speaking with the SPG Call Centre and looking online, I found that C&P at the Palace is available as well as at the Sheraton FW but I've seen variable and some negative comments about these two properties which is scaring me away. There are some 'standard' redemption options available at just about all the properties in the city though so I might be able to cover two of the three nights like that and pay for the third with my somewhat favourable corp rate (seems to be about 10% lower than a normal 'best available' rate - often a fraction less than a AAA rate which I've also checked).

Here's the main factors I'm trying to consider:
* We'd plan to have our toddler sleep on a roll-away but many of the d/t SF hotels seem to have limited rooms where this is possible due to fire regs. Of course, a suite-type room would be best but I think it is out of our budget or not available to start with. Therefore size of the room is important of course.
* We need something quiet for our toddler to sleep at night so I'm thinking I need to avoid the older rooms ('thin walls') as well as older buildings (low rise) which seem more likely to be prone to street noise.
* Ideally, access to a heated indoor pool would be great for our daughter to work off the 'nighttime nutties' if she was otherwise cooped up after dinner every night but most of the SPG properties don't seem to have this
* We will have to factor in parking every day as we are there with our rental car as part of a coastal trip. I know parking can be ~$50/night in some of these places.
* We would plan to spend much of our time in SF going to the Golden Gate park areas, the Presidio park area, aquarium, and possibly a museum or two. Hence I figured staying in the d/t core would be advisable versus something near SFO or elsewhere.

Right now I'm leaning towards booking at the newly-minted Westin Market Street as the reviews seem mainly quite positive and it is newly reno'd and the rates seem about mid-range and there are some redemption options. There also seems to be a chance at a 'Tower' room in the St Francis which I have read decent things about. The Meridien which sounds great doesn't seem to have a redemption room that allows a rollaway, and there are similar issues in some other locations.

Any pointers on maximizing my hard-earned points and properties tips or advice would be greatly appreciated.

I have stayed at SF Market St and Le Meridien (which used to be a Park Hyatt) and far prefer Le Meridien where I got a studio suite upgrade with view of the Bay. After the great stay, I wished I had visited there while it was still Park Hyatt since I am also Hyatt Diamond and Hyatt includes breakfast and nice amenities.

I have stayed in all of the SF Starwoods multiple times. The best deal, by far, is when the St. Regis will offer you a superior room at the SPG50 rate (1000 points for up to 5 nights), which is $295/night. If you specifically ask for a quiet room (some of their rooms, especially in the higher categories, have more street noise), I believe this would be your best choice. They have a beautiful indoor pool that almost nobody uses; it will essentially be private for you. And the rooms are, by far, better than any of the alternatives.

The Palace would be my next choice for you. I don't ever remember any street noise there, and if you book one of the higher categories there should be plenty of room for a roll-away. They also have a pool. The rooms at the Palace are, IMHO, much nicer than at Westin Market St.

Le Meridien would also be good, but the location is not great and there is no pool.

I would put Westin Market St. next, and the St. Francis last. If you choose the St. Francis, I would definitely try for one of the rooms in the newer Tower. Everything at the St. Francis feels kind of run down, though, next to these other choices.

Upgraded to a very nice suite with great views.
Spotless room-great housekeeping.
Very pleased with this property.

If anyone considering these hotels has any sense of history, they might be interested in knowing that:


Warren G. Harding died in Suite 888 of the Palace Hotel in 1923.
The Fatty Arbuckle scandal occurred in Suite 1219-20-21 of the St. Francis Hotel in 1921
Sara Jane Moore fired a gun at Gerald Ford as he exited the St. Francis Hotel's Post Street door in 1975 (Oliver Sipple, standing next to her, saw the gun and grabbed her arm, causing the shot to miss its intended target).

Just had a great stay at the Market St Westin. No upgrade to a suite (all suites taken for Valentines Day - ick, I wouldn't want a suite there for a few days), but was given a King room on the 34th floor overlooking the city.

The rooms are much larger and nicer than the St Francis new tower, and I've canceled my St Francis stay next month in order to book at the Market St again.

Word to the wise re: parking. There is a large multi-story lot right across the street which is significantly cheaper than the hotel valet. If you arrive right around 6pm, there is free street parking on the side street where that garage's entrance is (right across from the hotel), which you can use until 7am the next morning (weekdays) or through the weekend. I parked on the street from 6pm till I returned from dinner, went into the garage, and was out the next day at noon for $20 all in - less than half what the hotel charged.

Shhhhh!
Don't let everyone know about the Jessie street Garage :D

Also the fitfh and Mission garage maxes out at $30 for 24 hours.
No in and out at these-but much cheaper than the hotels if you are not goint to be needing your car.

Shhhhh!
Don't let everyone know about the Jessie street Garage :D

Also the fitfh and Mission garage maxes out at $30 for 24 hours.
No in and out at these-but much cheaper than the hotels if you are not goint to be needing your car.


You can leave your car parked there for more than 24-hours without penalty?

You can leave your car parked there for more than 24-hours without penalty?

If you want to give them your business for more than 24 hours, I don't see why not :)

But, if you are just going to park your car and not use it for a few days, I strongly recommend parking your car at one of the BART stations and BART into the city. You save $30/day.

There are certain parts of the city where it's free to park overnight and on weekends. In fact, right on 3rd and 4th, there are plenty of parking spaces if you go towards SOMA far enough ;)

I am considering Westin Market St or Sheraton F Wharf for a stay in October. I will have Mini DG (12 yrs old) with me for a 3 night stay (no car, so parking not needed). We would like to have access to a pool. I am a gold - what can I expect in the way of "preferred room upgrades" at these properties (if any)? Do they honour late check out - our flight doesnt leave until around 11pm ex SFO?

The rates are pricing out at both hotels for around $245 all in. Is that normal, or can better rates be obtained at other SPG properties? I prefer to book on the SPG site as I need the stays for status/points. Depending on price, I would consider staying at SFO if there is free shuttle service or easy transport downtown.

Thanks in advance for your FTer wisdom :)

Depending on price, I would consider staying at SFO if there is free shuttle service or easy transport downtown.

Transport downtown is relatively easy from all Starwoods at SFO. They all have shuttle service to the airport (have the driver drop you at the Int'l terminal), and from the airport you can take BART to downtown (a bit less than a half hour ride IIRC).

Another what hotel question:

My wife and I are going to be visiting some friends in Napa toward the end of June. We have decided to spend a few days in San Francisco (probably Sun, Mon and Tues). Here are the hotels under consideration:

Option #1- Palace Hotel 179 night or 12,000 points or 4800 points + $90 night
Option #2- Westin St. Francis 219/nt or 10,000 pts or 4000 pts + 60 night
Option #3 W San Francisco 269/nt or 12,000 pts or 4800 + 90
Option #4 - Le Méridien San Francisco, 284, 12,000 or 4800+90

We are both early 30's, foodies, no kids, wife loves shopping, etc. etc. ;)

Any insight? Advice?

Thanks

Another what hotel question:

My wife and I are going to be visiting some friends in Napa toward the end of June. We have decided to spend a few days in San Francisco (probably Sun, Mon and Tues). Here are the hotels under consideration:

Option #1- Palace Hotel 179 night or 12,000 points or 4800 points + $90 night
Option #2- Westin St. Francis 219/nt or 10,000 pts or 4000 pts + 60 night
Option #3 W San Francisco 269/nt or 12,000 pts or 4800 + 90
Option #4 - Le Méridien San Francisco, 284, 12,000 or 4800+90

We are both early 30's, foodies, no kids, wife loves shopping, etc. etc. ;)

Any insight? Advice?

Thanks

The best location as far as shopping/restaurants/etc. is the St. Francis which is right on Union Square, although the Palace and W are not that far away. (That said, the LM is still not that far of a walk, and does have some shopping at a mall next door)

If you want something modern go for the W or LM. If oyou want something classic with a lot of history, go for the other two. The St. F. does actually have a historic section and a modern section. My understanding is that the regular rooms in the historic section leave a bit to be desired (in size etc.).

If you are a Plat, you will likely get very nice suite upgrades at the LM or Palace. St. F a bit less likely, and virtually no chance of getting a suite at the W.

If you will have a car, parking will be expensive at any of these properties. If you are at the St. F. and don't want to be, um. paying a premium for convenience, park in the Sutter-Stockton Garage (surprisingly located at Sutter and Stockton (a two block walk ). Or for not much more you can park across the street from the St. F. at the Union Square garage. For the W or Palace, the Fifth and Mission garage (has a pedestrian entrance at 4th and Mission) is not too far of a walk from the W or even the Palace. For Tthe LM there is a garage kitty kornerto the hotel that is not horribly expensive (but the one at the mall is fairly high priced). Street parking is possible to find around the LM (and to a lesser extent the W and the Palace) although you will need to take into account the hassle of feeding the meter during the day on Monday and Tuesday.

Feel free to send me a PM with your tastes if you would like some restaurant recommendations.

Thanks for the response.

I am only a measly Gold, so I am probably SOL on the room upgrade. We are probably going to take Bart into the City as I want to avoid renting a car.

Do you know how far the LM is from Union Square?


The best location as far as shopping/restaurants/etc. is the St. Francis which is right on Union Square, although the Palace and W are not that far away. (That said, the LM is still not that far of a walk, and does have some shopping at a mall next door)

If you want something modern go for the W or LM. If oyou want something classic with a lot of history, go for the other two. The St. F. does actually have a historic section and a modern section. My understanding is that the regular rooms in the historic section leave a bit to be desired (in size etc.).

If you are a Plat, you will likely get very nice suite upgrades at the LM or Palace. St. F a bit less likely, and virtually no chance of getting a suite at the W.

If you will have a car, parking will be expensive at any of these properties. If you are at the St. F. and don't want to be, um. paying a premium for convenience, park in the Sutter-Stockton Garage (surprisingly located at Sutter and Stockton (a two block walk ). Or for not much more you can park across the street from the St. F. at the Union Square garage. For the W or Palace, the Fifth and Mission garage (has a pedestrian entrance at 4th and Mission) is not too far of a walk from the W or even the Palace. For Tthe LM there is a garage kitty kornerto the hotel that is not horribly expensive (but the one at the mall is fairly high priced). Street parking is possible to find around the LM (and to a lesser extent the W and the Palace) although you will need to take into account the hassle of feeding the meter during the day on Monday and Tuesday.

Feel free to send me a PM with your tastes if you would like some restaurant recommendations.

Thanks for the response.

I am only a measly Gold, so I am probably SOL on the room upgrade. We are probably going to take Bart into the City as I want to avoid renting a car.

Do you know how far the LM is from Union Square?

Probably a 10-15 minute walk to union square and a 5 minute walk to the Embarcadaro Bart Station. Beware that the walk through the Financial district will be pretty deserted outside of business hours (although it is not a particularly unsafe area).

IIRC the LM has a complementary car service (by reservation) on weekdays although I've never used it.

IIRC the LM has a complementary car service (by reservation) on weekdays although I've never used it.

I was at the LM last weekend. The "town car" is definitely available on weekends after 5pm. The room was on the south side of the building. Try and score a patio room (there is one room with a patio on each floor). It was a sunny place to sit, sip some wine and enjoy the view. (there's a Safeway with a well stocked wine section about two blocks north).
MO

I, too was at LM (my favorite hotel in SF) last Friday night. Loved the balcony of my suite at the end of the hallway on the 22nd floor. It featured stunning views of the Bay Bridge, Coit Tower to the left and the bay itself. LM is a mere 10 minute walk from the Embarcadero Bart stop (take the Pine/Beale Street exit). It's so much more interesting to hoof it there rather than cabbing it.

My wife, 6mo old and I are spending a week in SF next month. Staying in various hotels(mostly booking thru HW, PL), including the Palace and Westin Market St. I have a SPG50 cert and was wondering if I should forgo the Westin Market St. and go for W, LM or St. Regis instead. My wife had me also make reserv for one night at the Clift Hotel because she likes the hip/modern styling(for 285 a night no less). Reading some not so good reviews of the cheap looking furniture at the Clift.
Recs to stay at the W, LM or St. Regis instead of the Market St or Clift?

For hip and modern definitely the W or SRegis. Both are on the same street and not that far away from shopping - 10-15 mins walk tops. I've only stayed at the W and can highly recommend it - very edgy Living Room with dim ultra violet lights at night. Great service. Not such a big fan of the new, refurbished light-coloured and brightly lit hallways and rooms, prefer em dark - YMMV on this one. Whilst I've only been to SRegis for a drink - i can tell that it is deffo not your typical SRegis and has quite modern, if slightly arty decor. A friend of mine swears by the SRegis rooms, though he reckons the service is a hit/miss.

Thanks for the responses. I think I have narrowed it down between the W and Le Meridien. They both seem like "hipper" and more "modern" hotels. Are there any differences between the two that can help me make up my mind?

Thanks

Thanks for the responses. I think I have narrowed it down between the W and Le Meridien. They both seem like "hipper" and more "modern" hotels. Are there any differences between the two that can help me make up my mind?

Thanks

Go for the W. They've recently just remodeled their rooms. While LM is on the modern side, I wouldn't call it hip. You will find younger crowd at the W. Personally, W is my favorite hotel (next to St Regis) in SF. Service is great and I've had good luck with upgrades. Take a look at some pictures.

Thanks for the responses. I think I have narrowed it down between the W and Le Meridien. They both seem like "hipper" and more "modern" hotels. Are there any differences between the two that can help me make up my mind?

Thanks

W:
Better location with respect to restaurants/shopping (Union square)
Smaller rooms
Public area has that W bar vibe.

LM:
Location is a bit farther from Union Square, however closer to Emabarcadaro and the Ferry Building (which also has very nice restaurants and shopping)
Nicer, bigger rooms.
Modern but more sedate public areas.
Use of car service.

Both are similar distance to the closest Bart Station.

My wife, 6mo old and I are spending a week in SF next month. Staying in various hotels(mostly booking thru HW, PL), including the Palace and Westin Market St. I have a SPG50 cert and was wondering if I should forgo the Westin Market St. and go for W, LM or St. Regis instead. My wife had me also make reserv for one night at the Clift Hotel because she likes the hip/modern styling(for 285 a night no less). Reading some not so good reviews of the cheap looking furniture at the Clift.
Recs to stay at the W, LM or St. Regis instead of the Market St or Clift?

I'd highly recommend the St. Regis for using your SPG50 certificate. It's about the best bang for the buck use of that program. Ask for a high floor "02" corner room, happily given to golds and to plats when there is no suite available.

The St. Regis is definitely superior to any of the hotels you mention, right up there with the 4 Seasons, Mandarin Oriental and Ritz. I actually prefer the St. Regis, as long as I get a "park view" high floor.

I'd highly recommend the St. Regis for using your SPG50 certificate. It's about the best bang for the buck use of that program. Ask for a high floor "02" corner room, happily given to golds and to plats when there is no suite available.

The St. Regis is definitely superior to any of the hotels you mention, right up there with the 4 Seasons, Mandarin Oriental and Ritz. I actually prefer the St. Regis, as long as I get a "park view" high floor.

Not anymore. It used to be $257 after SPG50. They raised their rack rates. It is now $300+

I'd highly recommend the St. Regis for using your SPG50 certificate. It's about the best bang for the buck use of that program. Ask for a high floor "02" corner room, happily given to golds and to plats when there is no suite available.

The St. Regis is definitely superior to any of the hotels you mention, right up there with the 4 Seasons, Mandarin Oriental and Ritz. I actually prefer the St. Regis, as long as I get a "park view" high floor.

Thanks, just made reservations at the St. Regis for a superior rm. Hopefully, as a Preferred Plus member, I can still get that upgrade.

Curious though, I asked for a crib, but they said only a max occupancy of two per room and recommended bringing a pack and play.

Thanks, just made reservations at the St. Regis for a superior rm. Hopefully, as a Preferred Plus member, I can still get that upgrade.

Curious though, I asked for a crib, but they said only a max occupancy of two per room and recommended bringing a pack and play.

Ask the front desk staff for an "02" room, if they're in a good mood they'll give it to you. In addition to the large room, there is a good sized "hall", large enough for a cot or a crib or whatever.

Regardless definitely ask for a high floor park view when you check in, "02" being the primo corner ones.

Not anymore. It used to be $257 after SPG50. They raised their rack rates. It is now $300+

Ouch. I wouldn't pay $300+ per night in SF, even if I could afford it. :)

Ouch. I wouldn't pay $300+ per night in SF, even if I could afford it. :)

Until recently, you could snag a rate of $291 per night at the St. Regis WITHOUT any SPG50 coupon.

Just looking for some advice from people familiar with the area as I will be traveling to SFO on May 17-19.

I am a SPG base so upgrades will not apply to me.

I'm debating between (per night rates):
LM SFO - $229+ for a Superior, fully prepaid on spg.com
Westin St. Francis - $154+ for a Deluxe, fully prepaid through orbitz.com (pkg'd with my flights through UA)
Westin Market Street - $170.10+ for a Traditional, 24 hour cxl policy (AAA Rate), or 4000 pts + $60 (C+P).

I don't foresee us being in the room too often, however I would still like to stay somewhere half decent. I've read a few negative reviews about the St. Francis, so I'm wondering if it really IS that bad. I know a lot of people reading are Plats that haven't stayed in an non-upgraded room in a while, but hey, worth a try right?

4000 pts + $60/night seems like a really good deal for Market Street, albeit for a standard Traditional Room. But...so does $229 + taxes for the LM.

Any advice would be well appreciated! ^

Just looking for some advice from people familiar with the area as I will be traveling to SFO on May 17-19.

I am a SPG base so upgrades will not apply to me.

I'm debating between (per night rates):
LM SFO - $229+ for a Superior, fully prepaid on spg.com
Westin St. Francis - $154+ for a Deluxe, fully prepaid through orbitz.com (pkg'd with my flights through UA)
Westin Market Street - $170.10+ for a Traditional, 24 hour cxl policy (AAA Rate), or 4000 pts + $60 (C+P).

I don't foresee us being in the room too often, however I would still like to stay somewhere half decent. I've read a few negative reviews about the St. Francis, so I'm wondering if it really IS that bad. I know a lot of people reading are Plats that haven't stayed in an non-upgraded room in a while, but hey, worth a try right?

4000 pts + $60/night seems like a really good deal for Market Street, albeit for a standard Traditional Room. But...so does $229 + taxes for the LM.

Any advice would be well appreciated! ^

I got Westin Market St. for $109 and $119/night on HW and PL. Betterbidding.com can help you figure out which hotel you're getting before you bid, if you're not interested in getting points.

I got Westin Market St. for $109 and $119/night on HW and PL. Betterbidding.com can help you figure out which hotel you're getting before you bid, if you're not interested in getting points.

Thanks for the quick reply. The thing is, I AM interested in getting points, and I know that if I use HW/PL and spend some time plugging in bids, I could probably scrounge up a good prepaid non-points eligible rate. The thing is, I want to start building up my SPG account and I'm also in line for a 5000 SPG point bonus through my MBNA SPG MC for my next stay at a Starwood property.

I threw in the St. Francis' as more of an afterthought, just cause it popped up when I was pulling up my flight arrangements.

What my question probably really is, is which is the better value? LM @ $229+ or Market Street with 4000 pts + $60?

I think the St. Francis is in the best location across the street from Union Square.

You can't beat the cash and points at the Westin Market St. though.

The LM is near a couple of theatres, but not as many as the St. Francis is near. There's a half price ticket booth in Union Square across the street from the St. Francis.

Every U.S. President since Teddy Roosevelt has stayed at the St. Francis. :)

Every U.S. President since Teddy Roosevelt has stayed at the St. Francis. :)

True, but no President has ever died there (although Jerry Ford came close and Al Jolson did) - for that you have to go to the Palace a bit down Market Street.

Frankly, if you want to build up your points quickly a stay a Le Merdien will help and it is definitely worth it for the lovely rooms and the great location. I was just there two weeks ago and love this hotel. It's very zen as are most LMs. It has terrific, comfortable rooms and is far from the maddening crowd of Union Square. LM in SF is attached to the lovely Embaradero shops and is exactly six blocks from the Ferry Building. Union Square is less than 10 minutes away on foot. SOMA is even closer.

I've stayed at the Westin St Francis 4X in the last 3 years and each time the experience has gone further down hill for me. My last room on the 22nd floor was shockingly tired and worn out in appearance. Though the parking valets and bellmen were unfailingly pleasant, I felt the front desk staff was cold and indifferent. Maybe it's the mobs of tourists, the harried font desk staff or the poor value for the money spent here, but I doubt I'll stay there again.

What is the Palace going for during your trip? The Palace is well located on Market (right above the Montgomery Street Bart Station). Typically, when LM is sold out or priced too high for a classic room I'll stay here for the historic elegance.

Frankly, if you want to build up your points quickly a stay a Le Merdien will help and it is definitely worth it for the lovely rooms and the great location. I was just there two weeks ago and love this hotel. It's very zen as are most LMs. It has terrific, comfortable rooms and is far from the maddening crowd of Union Square. LM in SF is attached to the lovely Embaradero shops and is exactly six blocks from the Ferry Building. Union Square is less than 10 minutes away on foot. SOMA is even closer.

I've stayed at the Westin St Francis 4X in the last 3 years and each time the experience has gone further down hill for me. My last room on the 22nd floor was shockingly tired and worn out in appearance. Though the parking valets and bellmen were unfailingly pleasant, I felt the front desk staff was cold and indifferent. Maybe it's the mobs of tourists, the harried font desk staff or the poor value for the money spent here, but I doubt I'll stay there again.

What is the Palace going for during your trip? The Palace is well located on Market (right above the Montgomery Street Bart Station). Typically, when LM is sold out or priced too high for a classic room I'll stay here for the historic elegance.

Thanks for your reply. It's exactly the sort of feedback I was looking for.

The Palace is booking at $279+ on spg.com.

Rates are starting to drop a bit. I can get $161+ for a Traditional at Market Street. LM has a prepaid rate on spg.com for a Superior at $199+.

I'm starting to lean towards LM, as the more I read about Market Street and LM, the more it's showing that the ~$40/night difference is well worth it at LM.

EDIT: That being said, the SUMMER2 rate for Market Street is back up, so there's rates of $149+/169+ for Traditional and Deluxe rooms respectively (and 5000 bonus SPG points!) I've searched the Westin site high and low and I can't tell what the difference between the two rooms are (other then maybe a higher floor). Does anybody know?

EDIT: That being said, the SUMMER2 rate for Market Street is back up, so there's rates of $149+/169+ for Traditional and Deluxe rooms respectively (and 5000 bonus SPG points!) I've searched the Westin site high and low and I can't tell what the difference between the two rooms are (other then maybe a higher floor). Does anybody know?


The only difference is a higher floor. The WMS is very average and not too polished when it comes to service but has a great location and would do you well for that price (and the bonus points!). The bed is comfortable, the room will be clean and the shower will be hot.

Just a quick note on one of your previous posts, if you book pre-paid through Orbitz which was one of your considerations be aware you would not get stay credit or points for your room. Also, Cash and Points won't get you a stay credit or points for the cash portion either.

True, but no President has ever died there (although Jerry Ford came close and Al Jolson did) - for that you have to go to the Palace a bit down Market Street.

Haha, quite true.

And Fatty Arbuckle's career died there.

The Palace is likely to have high rates over May 17-19 since the Software and Information Industry annual conferences are there starting the 18th.

Personally, I like the W (was just there last weekend) -- right next to SF MOMA, and a short walk from Market and shopping.

5,000 points is a lot of points to pass on for an anticipated better room in Le Meridien.

As a base SPG member you may end up with a room with no view at any of the Starwood hotels. Le Meridien is surrounded by other skyscrapers and you need to be up above about the 10th floor to see over any other buildings. I do like the location of Le Meridien better with all the features of the Embarcadero Shops, Resturants, and theaters.

Westin Market is a minute walk from the St. Regis and W Hotels. You are better located to transportation options at the Westin Market. The rooms have large flat-screen tv, and while the view is not as pretty to the western part of SF from the Westin, it is the same view most people get at the W Hotel (compared to the possibility of having a North Beach/Coit Tower view from Le Meridien if your room is high enough).

5,000 points is a lot of points to pass on for an anticipated better room in Le Meridien.

As a base SPG member you may end up with a room with no view at any of the Starwood hotels. Le Meridien is surrounded by other skyscrapers and you need to be up above about the 10th floor to see over any other buildings. I do like the location of Le Meridien better with all the features of the Embarcadero Shops, Resturants, and theaters.

Westin Market is a minute walk from the St. Regis and W Hotels. You are better located to transportation options at the Westin Market. The rooms have large flat-screen tv, and while the view is not as pretty to the western part of SF from the Westin, it is the same view most people get at the W Hotel (compared to the possibility of having a North Beach/Coit Tower view from Le Meridien if your room is high enough).

I'm booked into the Westin Market Street for this weekend. Thanks all for their advice. In the end, the 5000 points was the clincher. I'll probably be in SFO a few more times in the year, so I'm sure I'll have a chance to stay at the LM and other SPG properties sooner or later.

I'm staying at the Palace the weekend of May 22 and had a couple of questions about the hotel and area. I'm taking my wife, our 14 month old son and mother-in law (it was a mother's day present) for a weekend in SF and wine country.

1. I'm renting a car to drive up to wine country from Dollar for two days which doesn't seem to be too far away from the hotel according to the map. Anyone know if its walkable within 20 minutes? Any other rental car places closer? I'm actually renting and returning each day so I don't have to pay for parking at the hotel.

2. Is the BART station literally in front of the hotel? How long is the ride from SFO? I think we will end up taking this from SFO so we don't have to hassle with putting a baby car seat into and out of a cab. I don't want to hassle with luggage and a toddler if the BART station is more than a couple of blocks from the hotel.

3. How far of a walk is it to Fisherman's wharf from the hotel? Is there a bus or trolley that runs close to this hotel?

4. Any recommendations on reasonably priced good restaurants near the hotel? We like seafood, steaks, pastas/pizza, sushi. There is one small cafe that my wife and I love which might be a ways off near Chestnut and 21st street: Pacific Catch. But we'll definitely hit this one up along with Scoma's of course.

5. Anyone have any experiences with ABC Bay Area Child Care agency? It is the agency that the hotel recommended in case we want to use child care. Right now as it stands he is coming with us to wine country. I know it won't be as enjoyable for me, but this is my third time going and my wife and mother-in-law have all gone before. I'll be the designated driver and baby sitter while my wife and in law do the tastings since it is their gift from us.

Thanks in advance for your replies!

<1. I'm renting a car to drive up to wine country from Dollar for two days which doesn't seem to be too far away from the hotel according to the map. Anyone know if its walkable within 20 minutes? Any other rental car places closer? I'm actually renting and returning each day so I don't have to pay for parking at the hotel.>

I'm not sure where the Dollar office is, but many downtown hotels have car rental locations. You should be able to do a search with any of the car rental companies for off-airport rentals. Downtown zip code is 94105 (and several others).


<2. Is the BART station literally in front of the hotel? How long is the ride from SFO? I think we will end up taking this from SFO so we don't have to hassle with putting a baby car seat into and out of a cab. I don't want to hassle with luggage and a toddler if the BART station is more than a couple of blocks from the hotel.>

Yes, BART is right in front of hotel, if you go out the Market Street door. I think the ride to SFO is about 35 minutes.

<3. How far of a walk is it to Fisherman's wharf from the hotel? Is there a bus or trolley that runs close to this hotel?>

I think the Wharf is about two miles, if you walk down Market and along the Embarcadero. There is a streetcar ("F"?) that'll take you nearly the whole way.

<4. Any recommendations on reasonably priced good restaurants near the hotel? We like seafood, steaks, pastas/pizza, sushi. There is one small cafe that my wife and I love which might be a ways off near Chestnut and 21st street: Pacific Catch. But we'll definitely hit this one up along with Scoma's of course.>

I'm vegetarian, so I'll leave this for someone else! On the other hand, if you want to try meatless...

Hey pacman777, just thought, you might also want to check the San Francisco and Traveling with Kids forums.

You'll probably get some good information from the locals

Yes, it's the F streetcars that will get you to Fisherman's Wharf. They are the old historic street cars. Take them headed towards the Ferry Building towards the end of Market street five blocks away. You will be able to see the Ferry Building from the street car stop.

Just stayed at various SPG properties during a week long stay in SF. Here are my thoughts:

Palace-so disappointing. The lobby and Garden Court is nice, but everything else was so dated. It was a PL reserved room, but cheap and old furnishing, old wooden door with a large gap at the bottom. The least comfortable stay during my entire week. I much prefer newer properties(the new IC SF was fantastic compared to this)

St.Regis-reserved a Astor Suite at the 540 AAA rate. Nice spacious suite. Best bathroom of any hotel I've stayed at. The decor in the bedroom was luxurious. Some of the furnishings did show signs of wear. The only negative was the 9th floor location, close to a neighboor club, noisy at night.

Westin Market St.-nice check-in area. Couldn't get a starpoints upgrade at check-in. Got a small, strangely laid out standard room on the 14th floor. LCD tv is to the right of the bedroom for some reason. Bed was comfortable enough. My wife kept wishing we were back at the IC SF.

Just wanted to give a belated thank you to all those who helped with providing info for my stay in SFO.

I ended up staying at the Westin Market St. as the prospect of 5000 bonus Starpoints (as well as a very decent rate of $149/night) was hard to pass up.

Arrived around 1:00pm but was advised that the room wasn't ready yet. Left our bags with the concierge and took the F tram down to the Ferry Building Marketplace. Came back at 3:30 and was checked in (after a 20 minute lineup).

We stayed in a Grand Deluxe room on the 25th floor. Nothing special to report about the room, it was a standard Westin room. The ceiling-to-floor windows were a nice touch, however it would have been nice if they were a bit...cleaner on the outside. Anyways, we utilized the valet service ($46/night + taxes) as opposed to the parking garage across the street because we needed to be in/out throughout the weekend. Valet was very quiet, they always had the car ready for me within 10 minutes of calling down.

All in all, a decent stay. I'd come back...especially if the Starpoints promo is still on.

Just stayed at various SPG properties during a week long stay in SF. Here are my thoughts:

Palace-so disappointing. The lobby and Garden Court is nice, but everything else was so dated...



While I was working in San Francisco, I spent about 50 days in SPG properties, and did a full tour with at least a week in each (minus the Regis, sadly). Here's my overall SF assessment, ranked from least favorite to most favorite:

I agree with hull22 on the Palace - it's an old hotel, so a lot of the rooms are small and can often be in non-standard shapes. It's nice to get a 12-foot ceiling, but that doesn't really make up for the internal hotel 'courtyard' view of the dirty ceiling of the restaurant. The restaurants are great, and overall there's a bit of the luxurious 'old world' feel, but sometimes that borders on just feeling old. My least favorite in the city.

Westin St. Francis. As many people have commented, rooms at this property are pretty old and tired, though a good location if you're feeling touristy (not so hot if you know the city well and want to get away from the tourists). Good shopping and some expensive restaurants nearby, but the neighborhood isn't that great for walks or any off-the-beaten-path exploration.

Westin SF Market Street. I tried this one right after it was converted from the Argent. Some have called it 'no frills', which is generally true - it's a pretty standard Westin, and a lot of the rooms have that generic (but still very comfortable) Westin look-and-feel. The gym is good, though, so it won some bonus points in my books.

Le Meridian. Fantastic rooms, with great touches like plasma screens; definitely felt very luxurious. The customers skew a bit older than most typical Westin properties, though, so the whole place can feel a bit sleepy if you spend any time in the common areas (restaurants, lobby, etc.). I also find the neighborhood to be very isolated compared to the other SPG properties - it's more in the financial district than anywhere residential, and at night the streets are pretty empty. It also tends to cost more than the other SPG properties within the same time period, so it gets a lower value-for-money rating from me (if you're paying, not expensing, of course ;) ).

W Hotel is great if you're not concerned with a huge amount of space, and are looking for a great vibe. There aren't many good room upgrade options here, but if you need a fantastic gym with a nice pool and sundeck, this is the place - and it's the only SPG in SF with that relaxed and very west-coast feel. I really enjoyed going for a drink after work in the bar - after about 6pm, it's packed nearly every night of the week! I definitely echo a lot of posters' comments on the lack of front desk service, but did find the concierge desk to be consistently very knowledgeable. As an old hand in the city, I found they came up with fresh, new options that weren't just from a worn tourist book (e.g. they once sent me to a great hole-in-the-wall Mexican restaurant in the Mission, just the type of place I was looking for, rather than a tried-and-true overpriced tourist trap). They're also in a great area of SoMa with good restaurants (not just proximity to the convention center), and near a Whole Foods as well (for those of us who just want home cooking on the road sometimes). I loved this property the most of all SF SPG offerings (despite the lack of upgrades and relatively smaller rooms) and ended up living there for nearly 30 days straight at the end of my trip (in a Cool Corner, of course!).

Simple questions - one night for a 6am flight at SFO - Westin or Sheraton at $38 cheaper?

(both cheaper than the 4P)

i would go for the sheraton. just been renovated. club lounge excellent

Another vote for Sheraton. It's not even a close call. Just don't expect your 500 point amenity to post.

We have a reservation at the Westin St. Francis in early September using a Cash and Points rate (first time in SF, so location is most important and no Cash and Points available at other *wood hotels).

Just wondering if any other Platinums have had any recent experiences with this hotel lately?

From what I've read, I think we need to at a minimum request a room in the new tower. Correct?

We have a reservation at the Westin St. Francis in early September using a Cash and Points rate (first time in SF, so location is most important and no Cash and Points available at other *wood hotels).

Just wondering if any other Platinums have had any recent experiences with this hotel lately?

From what I've read, I think we need to at a minimum request a room in the new tower. Correct?

I had a cash + points reservation but canceled it in favor of cash only $149. Too many bonus opps to pass up.

I check in tomorrow and will be there through Sunday; I'll post back my experience. Also staying at the Sheraton Petaluma, and then at PH in Vegas ... gotta get enough nights in to bump up the bonuses from the current promotions!

i would go for the sheraton. just been renovated. club lounge excellent

When you say Sheraton I assume you are referring to Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf?

We have a reservation at the Westin St. Francis in early September using a Cash and Points rate (first time in SF, so location is most important and no Cash and Points available at other *wood hotels).

Just wondering if any other Platinums have had any recent experiences with this hotel lately?

From what I've read, I think we need to at a minimum request a room in the new tower. Correct?

I went in June on a cheapo rate and they had already upgraded me to a high room in the new tower. My experience has been this is pretty standard for platinums.

BUT as I often do, I asked for a room in the old tower, which I believe has a ton more character and they accommodated me. Twice, I've gotten huge rooms there, too, one of which looked right out on Union Sq.

IMO, this hotel is the best Starwood in the city for first-timers. Cable car runs right in front, short walk to BART/Market Street, medium walk to Chinatown or SoMa. Good pancakes at Sears Fine Foods, too!

When you say Sheraton I assume you are referring to Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf?

sheraton gateway. the one in burlingame

I'm bringing my parents to UCSF (Mt. Zion near Geary/Divisadero) and am looking for an overnight hotel. I am a Gold member (through AA Exec Plat status) but have very little familiarity with the SPG hotels. 4pm late checkout is a must, and I'm looking for good value for my money. I've ruled out point redemption. Location must be in the city (i.e. no freeway driving) as we have an appointment at 8:45am and another one at 3:45pm.

The rates for my stay (9/3-9/4) are:

Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf $159
Westin Market Street $299
W San Francisco $329
Westin St. Francis $269
Le Meridian $319

So right now the top choice is Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf. Am I unaware of other promotions going on that would lower the rate at some of the nicer hotels? Any other suggestions and recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks!

sheraton gateway. the one in burlingame

That's farrrr from the city :p

I got a great deal on a suite ($195/night) at the Le Meridien San Francisco (through the Hotel Deals (http://flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=607) forum, thanks FT!) for the weekend of Sept. 26-28. The room is listed as:
Room Features : Luxury Suite Non-smoking, Partial Bay View, Separate Living Area, Upper Floor, 42 Inch Plasma Tv
Is this a "true" suite (multiple rooms/separate bedroom) or just a larger room with a sitting area (what passes for a "suite" many times these days).

Also, since making this reservation, I made SPG Platinum. Can I expect an upgrade of any type from this room (since it is already a "suite")? If no, can I expect any other benefit instead?

TIA, I'm rather new to the SPG game. And looking forward to my first "DO" in S.F. as well!

Simple questions - one night for a 6am flight at SFO - Westin or Sheraton at $38 cheaper?

(both cheaper than the 4P)

That's farrrr from the city :p
i know it is far but the orginal poster wanted a hotel close for an early flight out of SFO thats why i voted dor sheraton gateway. sorry blissworld

I'll be in San Francisco with my family for a couple of days early November and need some advice on 2 hotels: Stay at Le Meridien or the Westin Market Street?
Which one is the nicer of the two? I'm asking since people seem to be "raving" about Le Meridien.

I stayed at the Westin twice in April and my stay was perfect. "No" wasn't part of anyones vocabulary I spoke with (even though I asked for a another room on both stays). The rooms looked new and clean and the decor was typical Westin (which I like btw).

BTW, I've never stayed at any Le Meridien and I'm only looking at an Executive room at Le Meridien or a Deluxe room at the Westin. What I'm looking for is a CLEAN, comfortable, and good looking room.
Thanks!

I dont have an answer for you as yet, but I will be staying at LM shortly so once I have completed my stay, I can provide some info.

I hope its good too :p.

Maybe some other FTers can help out with this??

I personally prefer the Le Meridien which used to be a Park Hyatt. I was there over a weekend and upgraded to a junior suite with balcony but I am Plat so not sure if you would get the upgrade as a Gold. It is fairly quiet over the weekend since it is in the financial district.

Westin Market Street is perfectly fine. Fairly new renovation of Argent? hotel from 1-2 years ago. I got a room on a high floor with a great view but the room was pretty small.

I'll be in San Francisco with my family for a couple of days early November and need some advice on 2 hotels: Stay at Le Meridien or the Westin Market Street?
Which one is the nicer of the two? I'm asking since people seem to be "raving" about Le Meridien.

I stayed at the Westin twice in April and my stay was perfect. "No" wasn't part of anyones vocabulary I spoke with (even though I asked for a another room on both stays). The rooms looked new and clean and the decor was typical Westin (which I like btw).

BTW, I've never stayed at any Le Meridien and I'm only looking at an Executive room at Le Meridien or a Deluxe room at the Westin. What I'm looking for is a CLEAN, comfortable, and good looking room.
Thanks!

The rooms at Le Meridien are more spacious than the Westin, with wonderful Bay views. The staff at LM there has always been very gracious. The financial district (where LM is located) can be a bit far removed from the action, although there are good restaurants close by. Ultimately, both hotels are nice and I would make a decision based on your preferred location.

Back from USA trip. I LOVED the LM SFO ^ :-:. Had a really nice suite on a high SPG floor (on travelzoo deal) which had great bay views and bridge views. Huge bathroom, large separate living room and smaller bedroom with door to close between living room. Two tvs - one a huge 42 inch flat screen. The service was great, concierge was very good. Gave great restaurant tips - go to Belden square for dinner ^.

Only issue we had was our spa bath was faulty :( :td: and I had ask for maintenance and cleaning staff 3 days in a row to fix it to no avail. It was basically not clean and every time we turned it on it left filfthy muck all around bath and in water. So gross! Finally the manager heard my issue and comped me two buffet breakfasts. That was the only downer, really!

My friend stayed across the hall from us in a suite also ;) and his room was also lovely, but had a balcony with great bay views. We got the spa bath, which his didnt have. The rooms are nice and well appointed with complimentary water and (sometimes sporadic) turn down service.

I also enjoyed the business centre with free PCs and internet access ^.

I didnt find the location to be an issue and we were there over the weekend. We walked to Belden Sq restaurants and also walked to Fishermans wharf from the hotel. It was a nice, easy 20 min walk. There is a great Diner at end of street that LM hotel is on near the Piers (I think it was called City Diner). Its in a cable car, and was great for a bit of fun.

All in all, a great stay :) :-: ^.

All in all, a great stay :-: ^.
Good to hear!! :)
So glad you enjoyed!!

Dave

Are there any of the Starwood Hotels in San Francisco that have a SPG concierge lounge and offer a complimentary continental breakfast? :confused:

Are there any of the Starwood Hotels in San Francisco that have a SPG concierge lounge and offer a complimentary continental breakfast? :confused:

The Sheraton at the SFO airport and the Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf.

Incredibly disappointed tonight. Had a reservation at the W; they couldn't find it although the Platinum Concierge saw it 10 minutes before I arrived. Now at the Westin on Market Street.

NO benefits to being a Platinum.

Internet is $14.95 per 24 hours.

No lounge, no breakfast coupons, no water, no service.

Called Service Express for a recommendation for a restaurant. Was told "I'll transfer you to the Bell Desk." Transferred there where the bell desk person said "I am not from here; call the front desk."

According to the front desk, "the concierge left for the day (this was at 6 PM)."

I guess the motto for these hotels tonight is NO Service at NO time.

Very disappointing.

The room itself is nice. Flat Panel TV, lots of plugs around the desk, nice view. Told that there were no suites although the website shows these being sold. Was told by the manager on duty that they don't give out those suites since somebody may purchase them.

It's one night but it is rather disappointing to have such a lack of service. Good location though!

Incredibly disappointed tonight. Had a reservation at the W; they couldn't find it although the Platinum Concierge saw it 10 minutes before I arrived. Now at the Westin on Market Street.

Did you consider calling the Platinum Concierge back from the front desk and have them talk to the front desk staff?

Did you consider calling the Platinum Concierge back from the front desk and have them talk to the front desk staff?

Yes. Tried that; they said "we'll transfer you to Corporate Customer Service. . ." which is closed on Sundays. First time I've had a poor experience with the Plat Concierge in quite a very long time.

Talk to the day manager at the Westin Market St. After my last OPH issue (other people's hair), he promised action, acknwledged their shortcomings and offered me some SPG points. I put him on notice that his hotel was being blogged about extensively and the reviews from savvy SPG business travelers were often very negative.

They need to keep hearing it. I have a stay there this coming week, and if I find either the staff acting their usual surly self or another OPH incident, I'm going to raise holy hell there.

They really need to get their act together - their continued blase attitude and painfully lacking acknowledgment of SPG benefits is really growing tiresome.

Yes. Tried that; they said "we'll transfer you to Corporate Customer Service. . ." which is closed on Sundays. First time I've had a poor experience with the Plat Concierge in quite a very long time.

Ugh. Well, I hope you follow up. Please let us know what they do. Frankly I think they need to comp the night as they essentially "walked" you with a confirmed reservation.

Had a reservation at the W; they couldn't find it although the Platinum Concierge saw it 10 minutes before I arrived.

Did you show them a copy of the reservation? I know you've been traveling so perhaps didn't have a hard copy, but what about the copy on your computer?

Did you show them a copy of the reservation? I know you've been traveling so perhaps didn't have a hard copy, but what about the copy on your computer?

No I didn't and should have.

I didnt find the location to be an issue and we were there over the weekend. We walked to Belden Sq restaurants and also walked to Fishermans wharf from the hotel. It was a nice, easy 20 min walk. There is a great Diner at end of street that LM hotel is on near the Piers (I think it was called City Diner). Its in a cable car, and was great for a bit of fun.Sounds like the Fog City Diner:

http://www.fogcitydiner.com/

Can anyone weigh in on the St. Francis versus the W and Palace? I need someplace to put my parents when they come into town.

Thanks.

Stayed at the Westin St. Francis for 5 nights in Aug/Sept. Loved the hotel...lot's of old world charm. The Westin Heavenly bed is fantastic and it made good use of the bathroom space. It's in the middle of Union Square and the cable car stops in front of the hotel.

Wow! Gotta LOVE FlyerTalk and the lessons learned.

I asked for the GM while I was at the Westin (the day I was checking out). They are "in between" right now but I spoke with Mr. R. who is the hotel manager. Not sure why he isn't being selected as the GM! Explained the difficulties I had and some suggestions for him e.g., there should be free Internet and phone calls and some type of recognition for Platinum members (there is NOTHING). He listened without interrupting, asked some clarifying questions, and explained how in fact they are not part of Starwood proper but license the spg name. He said that he appreciated my time and that I had good points since he realizes what a competitive environment the hotel business is in. He apologized for what happened during my stay and was unbelievably gracious. I am so impressed! He also made sure that I had a late check-out (was working a trade show) so that I didn't have to run back to the hotel in the middle of the show.

Lessons learned from FT:


Bring HARD copy of my confirmation/reservation
Talk with the Manager WHILE ON PROPERTY
Be GRACIOUS

My sister and her family are usung the free night they earned during Q4'08 promo.

They are leaning towards the Westin because that property shows two queeen beds in its double rooms.

I told them to consider getting 2 rooms or stay at Le Meridien.

Opinins?
TIA

Wow, my mind is swimming after re-reading this thread. (I posted my own, asking for advice about which *wood property to choose next week in SFO. Now I'm even MORE confused! Maybe I'll stay one night at a Westin, one at LM and one at the Palace? (Not much mentioned about Palace lately.)

Between this thread, Trip Advisor and my own thread, I'm making notes and trying to choose. I know everyone has their own preferences, I just want a hotel that has a good rate, kind employees and Platinum upgrades. And I'd like to be close to Union Square. I think. Hmm.

I will be in the SFO area for about 4-5 days. I plan on visiting certain locations in SFO (such as Chinatown, etc), but I also want to go visit a winery, the big sur, and one of the sequoia forests.
I want to pay for this hotel instead of using points, but I don't feel like paying premium down town prices.
Based on what I want to do, what SPG property would you pick?
I'm considering the following:
-W Silicon Valley
-Four Points SFO bridge
-Four Points Saint Rafael
-Sheraton Pleasanton
-Four Points Sheraton

I will have a car, if that matters.

I plan on visiting certain locations in SFO (such as Chinatown, etc).
Chinatown is in San Francisco, it's not at SFO (which is the airport).

With the exception of Big Sur (which is the real haul), I would suggest San Rafael as the best location. Pleasanton is in the middle of nowhere, and Emeryville isn't convenient to anything. San Rafael will put you within a half hour of Muir Woods and San Francisco, and less than an hour to the Sonoma wineries. If you really want to go to Big Sur, it's a 3-4 hour drive, so you'd probably want a hotel down that way for a night.

Chinatown is in San Francisco, it's not at SFO (which is the airport).


I used the airport abbreviation to refer to the town.

Last week I stayed one night each at the Westin St. Francis, Westin Market Street, and the Palace Hotel

1. St. Francis - disapointed
After all the hype, I was disapointed. I believe I was upgraded (at least that is what the keycard jacket said) to the 22 floor in the newer tower. The room was dated and loud since it was near (but not next to) the elevators. The lobby is undergoing renovation and hopefully they hit the rooms too.
2. Westin Market Street. - like it
I was upgraded to a corner suite (checked in 3 times, first time was too early, second time the system was down). After entering my room, there was house keeping/maintenance that dropped in 3 times in the first hour. All for small things, like replacing mouthwash. (Reminded me of the thread about a person in Madrid that had money stolen after several knocks on the door to change something out after they arrived.) Luckily, all was good and there were no more interruptions and no thievery. Anyway, I liked the corner suite, room was open, airy, great views, and modern in the typical Westin motif.
3. Palace Hotel - Top notch
Best of the three by far. great property, upgraded to a huge corner suite on the 5th floor. service is excellent and the hotel has an old world class about it.

If the prices are comparable, I would stay at the Palace every time. All three hotels are within 5 to 6 blocks of each other.

Chinatown is in San Francisco, it's not at SFO (which is the airport).

With the exception of Big Sur (which is the real haul), I would suggest San Rafael as the best location. Pleasanton is in the middle of nowhere, and Emeryville isn't convenient to anything. San Rafael will put you within a half hour of Muir Woods and San Francisco, and less than an hour to the Sonoma wineries. If you really want to go to Big Sur, it's a 3-4 hour drive, so you'd probably want a hotel down that way for a night.

Would San Rafael be a better choice than the W in Silicon Valley?

Would San Rafael be a better choice than the W in Silicon Valley?
For access to wine country and Muir Woods, yes. For access to Big Sur, neither option is very good. If you want to get anything out of it, I wouldn't stay anywhere north of Monterey.

Dollar for dollar, Le Meridien blows them all away, despite a less-than-ideal location.

The W is fairly brand-standard, and the Westin Market Street feels like your typical Westin.

I have tried the Palace twice and been disappointed twice.

I have also had great stays at the Le Meridien. They often have weekend deals for $99-$119 a night and these are a steal! The hotel is great, but the location is not that spectacular, esp on the weekends. The St Francis is much more central but also a little tired, IMO.

Had a below average stay at the W. Will not return to this place again.
Not to mention no upgrade. Carpet needs a steam clean. Shower marginally working. Noisy and small lobby. Check-in staff showed no interest in the customer.

Couple of positives: elevators fast; comp morning coffee at XYZ.

I have also had great stays at the Le Meridien. They often have weekend deals for $99-$119 a night and these are a steal! The hotel is great, but the location is not that spectacular, esp on the weekends. The St Francis is much more central but also a little tired, IMO.

I've enjoyed $119 rates at the LM in the past, though I've been seeing rates closer to $159 lately. :td: Hopefully I'm just a little too early for the dates I want. I really enjoy the LM and while the area immediately surrounding the property is pretty quiet on the weekends, it's very close to the Ferry Building and North Beach and Chinatown. If you're willing to walk (which makes sense in SF), you can be near the action in the matter of minutes.

I've got a restaurant gift certificate to use in a couple of months and I'm going to give Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf a shot since it's close to the restaurant and has great prices for my night. The pics of the remodeled rooms look fresh so I'm willing to go in with an open mind.

After reading all the information, my head is spinning. I have ruled out St Regis due to price and 20K a night. In addition, i have ruled out LM. We are there for four nights including a weekend. Have been before but briefly. Love walking around and getting lost, so location isnt as important.

Does the Palace suck? Reviews here and TA vary so much! Is it comparable to the US Grant?

What is the main difference b/t the two Westins?

Any help is appreciated.

-singtx

The Palace is not comparable to the US Grant in my experience. I have never missed an upgrade at the US Grant, but have never been upgraded at the Palace. If you get the standard room there, it is rather smallish.

If it is between the two Westins, the one on Market street is newly-renovated and brought to brand standards in the last few years. The one on Union Square (St. Franics) is a mix of old and new. Both are centrally located.

I would not rule out Le Meridien even on a weekend. If all else fails, pay the $5-10 cab fare if you don't want to walk down an abandoned street for four blocks to Market.

I agree that you shouldn't rule out the LM. It's closest of any of the SPG properties to Chinatown and North Beach, and is the same walking distance to the embarcadero as the Palace. It's also near the California Street cable car line and the Embarcadero shopping center.

Agreed with boifromtroy -- the location of the Meridien isn't really inconvenient. The "abandoned streets" he refers to are in the business district and are not at all unsafe. Also, on weekends it's a very quiet neighborhood with ample street parking.

I would not rule out Le Meridien even on a weekend. If all else fails, pay the $5-10 cab fare if you don't want to walk down an abandoned street for four blocks to Market.
I generally agree with your thoughts here, but BE AWARE of the possibility of union organizers disturbing your sleep on weekend days.
Last time I was there, the noise was deafening even on the 21st floor, and it lasted for at least 45 minutes.
I spoke to the police on scene and they told me that if the bullhorns are not more than "x" watts and the organizers dont threaten people, there's nothing the hotel or the police can do about it.

Just a thought.
Dave

I would not rule out Le Meridien even on a weekend. If all else fails, pay the $5-10 cab fare if you don't want to walk down an abandoned street for four blocks to Market.

+1 Le Meridien is actually in a great location for walking, since you're still close enough to Union Square, but also within walking distance to North Beach, 4 blocks from the ferry building (farmer's market on Sat), and your cab line will be significantly shorter than at either Westin if you plan on venturing farther away.

We dont mind walking...but was unsure about the financial district and being "dead" at night/weekends.

Outstanding! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Im reviewing the LM again.

What is it like around the hotel at night/weekends?

It's quiet, like a residential area. In fact many people do live several blocks away in the several residential buildings next to the Embarcadero Center and in the other direction many people live in Chinatown, of course.

The Embarcadero Center across the street has a movie theatre and restaurants that people go to at night and on weekends.

There are also several small, economical business hotels nearby. I can't remember their names, though.

It's much safer than the Mission District at night, in my opinion, and there are fewer to none homeless people there, compared to near the St. Francis.

If you have any other questions, please ask.

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If you have any other questions, please ask.

Thanks Kevino.

Regarding the LM, how are the restaurants and bars (walking distance of .25 miles). Prefer local and would like to avoid any chains.
Any recs you can provide?

Where do you eat and shop when downtown?

Regarding the LM, how are the restaurants and bars (walking distance of .25 miles). Prefer local and would like to avoid any chains.
Can't speak for kevino, but there is an area, EASILY walkable near the LM called Belden Place (http://www.belden-place.com/), where about 5 or more local restaurants sit right next to one another with al fresco dining in decent weather.
Google it and you can see a very nice selection of foods from Steak to Italian, to Seafood, to desert.
I go there every time I'm at LM.

Dave

The Palace is not comparable to the US Grant in my experience. I have never missed an upgrade at the US Grant, but have never been upgraded at the Palace. If you get the standard room there, it is rather smallish.

If it is between the two Westins, the one on Market street is newly-renovated and brought to brand standards in the last few years. The one on Union Square (St. Franics) is a mix of old and new. Both are centrally located.

I would not rule out Le Meridien even on a weekend. If all else fails, pay the $5-10 cab fare if you don't want to walk down an abandoned street for four blocks to Market.

I had a positively lovely stay at the Palace in November and they upgraded us to a stunning corner suite. The room was amazing. Staff was attentive and anticipated our every need. Sunday brunch at the Garden Court is a nice splurge.

I've also had nice stays at LM and I've always received an upgrade. If you don't mind walking, it really is just a short walk to so many wonderful San Francisco neighborhoods. The hotel has awesome views of the Bay and City. We will be staying there again in January for our anniversary.

As Dave has pointed out, Belden Place is good with a number of restaurants to choose from. Also, any of the restaurants in Chinatown would be local. A little further walk to North Beach and you can have your pick of dozens of local restaurants on Vallejo, Green, Grant, and Columbus Streets that are local and in any price range.

I shop on Ebay. However, there is a Loehmann's on the 200 block of Sutter that is four stories with a shoe store across the street. :) If can't find something there, you haven't looked hard enough. :)

Singtx, sorry, I forgot to mention the following:

1. There is a theatre four blocks from the LM that has good Broadway shows sometimes:

http://www.42ndstmoon.org/42newweb/season/season09-10.htm

2. If you plan to go before New Year's you should try to go to the Carnelian Room at the top of the B of A building (52nd floor) before it closes on Jan. 1. I don't recommend the restaurant bc it's too expensive, but drinks are reasonable in the bar area in the afternoon and the view is great!

3. If you decide on the St. Francis, send me an e-mail and I will send you breakfast coupons.

Thanks for the offer...

Again thanks for all the responses...looks like I overlooked several key items when researching...

-singtx

I'm still in the playing stages for a 2-3 night stay next week, probably 28th-31st DEC. Trying to take advantage of Virgin's $39 fare :)
I'm trying to decide amongst the San Francisco Starwoods:
1. Le Meridien
2. Westin St. Francis
3. Westin Market St.
4. W
5. Palace

I'll be using points, there'll be 4 of us (me, spouse, 2 teens)
I no longer have status but still have 36k points.
Would like convenient access to Chinatown, Union Sq, Embarcadero and any public transport.
I'll probably rent a car since we'll probably take some side trips to Napa, Sausalito, etc and we'll be arriving in to SFO - which ones of the above will have free or at least cheap parking? how about shuttle in case I don't rent a car?

Before Cheap Elite comes along, I'd recommend you look at the Master Threads in the forum for each of these properties :D

However; having said that, all of the properties you mention are in the center of the city in San Francisco. I wouldn't rent a car - take public transportation from the airport (BART lets you out on Market). Rent a car for the day trips you may need; that way you won't have to pay for parking. You may want to check out to see if Cash and Points are available for the dates you are looking for.

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One of the main difference between the five are their age & history. The St. Francis and the Palace are historic "grand dame" hotels that date back to 1904 and 1909, respectively (although the StF. has a tower built in the early 1970's). The other three are of much more recent vintage.

Be sure to check maximum occupancy per room at the hotel that you end up choosing.

As ldsant wisely suggests, rent only for the days that you will tour out of the center city. Besides saving on super-high parking costs, you will avoid the onerous additional taxes and fees charged when one rents at the airport.

I've stayed in all of them, multiple times. Top of my list would be the one you didn't include: St. Regis, which meets all your requirements but which is steep on points. If you are just considering the quality of the rooms, I'd probably put Le Meridien next, but taking location into account, I would put Westin Market Street (rooms are standard Westin, but recently renovated). The W gets mixed reviews here -- I am personally not a fan, because the service I have received there has been indifferent at best, and it is one of the older Ws in the chain and hence somewhat dated. The bottom of my list would be the Palace and the St. Francis -- Palace again because of poor service, and the St. Francis because the building and rooms, even the newer ones, are somewhat run down.

Of these, I think all but the St. Francis are reasonably good choices. Starwood's choices in SF are actually quite good overall, so you can't go too far wrong.

I checked on St. Regis, as you say high points reqd to redeem and unfortunately Points + Cash is unavailable. The other properties are either 10k or 12k a night, hence why I highlighted them.

As far as car, looks like Bart to the hotel is convenient, probably the Market St location is easiest?

I checked on St. Regis, as you say high points reqd to redeem and unfortunately Points + Cash is unavailable. The other properties are either 10k or 12k a night, hence why I highlighted them.

As far as car, looks like Bart to the hotel is convenient, probably the Market St location is easiest?

The Palace and Westin Market are both close to BART; W frankly is just a few blocks more.

Frankly I'm not a fan of any of these hotels, but if you are a fan of the W concept then the W is nice, if a bit overboard.

directcj, it's worth pointing out that with four of you, you can take a taxi for not too much more than BART, unless it's rush hour. BART fare from SFO to one of the Market Street stations is $8 and change, per person.

directcj, it's worth pointing out that with four of you, you can take a taxi for not too much more than BART, unless it's rush hour. BART fare from SFO to one of the Market Street stations is $8 and change, per person.

thx! this is why it's always good to ask fellow flyertalkers. I often find that using a taxi turns out to be much cheaper vs using public transport for my family whenever we travel.
For ref, how much would the taxi fare be from SFO to say Westin Market?

oh.... do any of these properties offer free shuttle service to/from SFO?

That cab ride would cost about $37.95. That is roughly $44 with a 15% tip. It is about 13.5 miles. There is a $2.00 surcharge for trips from San Francisco Intl Airport (SFO).

Credit goes to http://sf.taxiwiz.com/

or Estimated Fare: $45.66*

http://www.taxifarefinder.com/main.php?city=SF

I recall ~ $50 for my last trip.

For the first weekend in January, rates are surprisingly reasonable--checkin 1/8, 2 nights, 2 people:

LM $99
Westin Market St. $105
Palace $109
Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf $109
St. Francis $134

Looking at these prices, what would you recommend in terms of Plat upgrades, breakfast/lounge access?

how many nights? Both Fri/Sat?

Travelling solo?

how many nights? Both Fri/Sat?

Travelling solo?
I edited my post--it's not January 1-3, it's the following weekend.

make sure you sign up for http://www.spgpromos.com/morerewards/ ... then if your companion doesn't mind hopping; hop to maximize points; tis the season to requalify as soon as possible.

Personally I'd do either the LM or Market St. I didn't care about lounge access because we did every meal out; with no intention of staying on property ... too many good options throughout the city. We got a nice corner room with a view when we checked in early ~11am last time there.

I went ahead and booked the Westin Mkt St - seemed like a good central location to union sq (obviously not as close as St Francis), embarcadero, etc....
I could probably save the points for something more $$$ later on but for these last minute spur of the moment trips whacha gonna do?

Need to save the $ for the airfare
Got a great fare via Southwest for ~$50 SNA-SFO, taxes inclusive.

I checked the Westin Market St website and there's no mention of a shuttle from SFO - is there one? If so, guess I'll go ahead and budget ~$50 for the cab fare.

There is no complimentary shuttle but BART is pretty painless for getting into the city from SFO...

Edit: My mistake, should have read further back in the thread...

Agreed about BART. Market street exit is pretty close to a number of *wood properties and takes you right to SFO or OAK airports. When I'm staying in the bay area, almost never get a car. Not only is BART cheaper, probably faster (due to all the traffic), but you also don't have to pay the ~30/night parking fees for any of the downtown hotels.

Really wish all US cities had good public transport. SF, NY, and a handful of other cities are the only places you can really fly into without getting a car.

We're off to a long weekend in SF.
I always wanted to wake up with a grand view of the Golden gate bridge.

Which Starwood hotel/rooms offer the best view of the bridge?

I've seen the Golden Gate Bridge from the W Hotel and the St. Francis, but neither hotel offers a good view of the Golden Gate. The hotels are much nearer the Bay Bridge and the Golden Gate Bridge is four to five miles away from the hotel district of the city with hills and skyscrapers in between.

Le Meridien has views of the Bay Bridge and so does the W Hotel.

To wake up with views of the Golden Gate Bridge you want to be in the Fairmont Hotel Tower on top of Nob Hill or the Mandarin Oriental to see clearly over the hills and other buildings for best views. The Mandarin Oriental Hotel is on the top floors of the third tallest building in San Francisco.

The best views of the Golden Gate Bridge are from the East Bay.

However, the Grand Hyatt lounge has great views of the Bay and City. And the Hyatt Regency Embarcadero has great views of the Bay Bridge from close up!

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I've seen the Golden Gate Bridge from the W Hotel and the St. Francis, but neither hotel offers a good view of the Golden Gate. The hotels are much nearer the Bay Bridge and the Golden Gate Bridge is four to five miles away from the hotel district of the city with hills and skyscrapers in between.

Le Meridien has views of the Bay Bridge and so does the W Hotel.

To wake up with views of the Golden Gate Bridge you want to be in the Fairmont Hotel Tower on top of Nob Hill or the Mandarin Oriental to see clearly over the hills and other buildings for best views. The Mandarin Oriental Hotel is on the top floors of the third tallest building in San Francisco.

Best of all would be one of the "8ridge to Bridge" rooms at the MO, whicg affords views of both the Golden Gate Bridge and the Bay Bridge.

Are there any hotels out of the following that offer free gym access to SPG Gold (I am 15 nights away from making plat)

Palace Hotel, San Francisco
The Westin St. Francis
Le Méridien San Francisco
The Westin San Francisco Market Street
W San Francisco

Are there any hotels out of the following that offer free gym access to SPG Gold (I am 15 nights away from making plat)

Palace Hotel, San Francisco
The Westin St. Francis
Le Méridien San Francisco
The Westin San Francisco Market Street
W San Francisco

The Westin St. Francis charges $12/day or $30 for entire stay.

All others are free to hotel guests.

Good news - all are free to hotel guests.

Last time I stayed at the St. Francis, the gym was available for a fee (free to Plats). It's been this way as long as I can remember.

So, I need to find a SPG property on the Peninsula for less than about $200 including tax. I'm looking at a Thursday in November.

I really miss the Sheraton SFO (The Westin SFO is nothing special, I'm there now, got a coupon for a Continental Breakfast, and gave up trying to get a second cup of coffee.) (I much prefer Club Lounges to coupons and I would stay at the Hilton SFO (used to be the Sheraton) since I also have status with Hilton but I need some more SPG stays.)

I'd stay at the Four Points SFO, but the gym there is pretty bad. I do like the free parking there though. And since it is $50 less per night than the Westin SFO, the 4 Points would win hands down.

I'm tempted to drive to the Westin Versa in Napa which is about where I want to be the next day except I find that I'm less able to drive for hours after flying in from the east coast.

(I can't use the Sheraton Petaluma because I'm staying there over the weekend and want an extra stay credit.)

The other option would be the Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf. It seems they have done away with their Club Lounge and parking is outrageous at $43 per day.

If I could get the Sheraton or Westin Palo Alto for less than $200, I probably do that.

I guess I could drive to the new Four Points in San Jose.

Emeryville and San Rafael don't excite me. I guess I could do San Rafael at the price. The W Silicon Valley was a pit last time I was there. Something in the city itself is probably out because of the price.

So, any ideas? Do I just stay with the Four Points at SFO, give Fisherman's Wharf a try, give the Four Points San Jose a try, or if I'm going to drive that far I might as well go to the Westin Versa in Napa, or any other ideas?

I'm tempted to drive to the Westin Versa in Napa which is about where I want to be the next day except I find that I'm less able to drive for hours after flying in from the east coast.

If you're headed to Napa the next day anyway, I'd just stay at the Westin. It's only a 60 mile drive, and after a late arrival, there won't be much traffic to speak of. That almost certainly won't be true the next morning.

Also consider a hop over to Pleasanton. The Sheraton there has a very nice breakfast downstairs if the lounge is closed. And the 4P is fine. Usually find some cheap rates. Both are close to I 580 & I 680, so would put you close to your Peteluma destination.

I spend a lot of time in the bay area and if I can't find something cheap in Milpitas or Sunnyvale, I end up in Pleasanton if I really need a SPG stay. Several other choices with the other chains.

Both are close to I 580 & I 680, so would put you close to your Peteluma destination.
You must not be familiar with the area. Pleasanton is East - Petaluma is North.

You must not be familiar with the area. Pleasanton is East - Petaluma is North.

I've only lived here since 1959... Longer than some towns have existed!

Since the OP mentioned the possibility of staying at the 4P in San Jose which is 83 miles away, I think Pleasanton would be closer which is 66 miles away, not to mention cheaper (don't forget you have parking to pay at 4P in San Jose). Not to mention the distance from SFO in the first place.

Emeryville and San Rafael don't excite me. I guess I could do San Rafael at the price.

So, any ideas?

San Rafael 4points in Terra Linda is actually in the middle of what your doing. From Westin SFO, you could do the 4points in San Rafael, then move up north along 101 20 min and finish your stay in Petaluma.

I think for the price its a good deal. Plus there is a new indoor/outdoor mall and food area up the street.

You must not be familiar with the area. Pleasanton is East - Petaluma is North.

I think their point was that I-680 to I-780 to 37 to 101 (or something like that) is probably better than San Jose / Palo Alto to Petaluma in the morning.

I hadn't considered the Sheraton in Pleasanton. I thought it had gotten some bad reviews (but maybe I was confusing it with the DT Club).

I think their point was that I-680 to I-780 to 37 to 101 (or something like that) is probably better than San Jose / Palo Alto to Petaluma in the morning.
San Jose is about the worst choice considering the drive. San Rafael or Emeryville would be much closer to "en route".

San Jose is about the worst choice considering the drive. San Rafael or Emeryville would be much closer to "en route".

Have San Rafael and / or Emeryville been renovated recently?

I thought that San Rafael and Emeryville were old Four Points. When I checked one was cheaper than the Four Points SFO and one was the same price. Other than the gym sucking, the Four Points SFO is actually a pretty nice hotel. I guess I'm looking for something better than San Rafael / Emeryville / SFO Four Points. Otherwise, I might as well just stay at the SFO Four Points. (I won't stay at the Westin SFO again.)

The Westin Versa in Napa is within my budget. The Sheraton in Pleasanton is a possibility and it is certainly less driving than the Four Points SJC.

The Westin Versa in Napa is within my budget.
They often have two-night minima, but if you can get a one-night reservation, it is nice (even though the resort fee is annoying). Driving-wise, SFO-Napa-Petaluma is only slightly shorter than SFO-Pleasanton-Petaluma.

They often have two-night minima, but if you can get a one-night reservation, it is nice (even though the resort fee is annoying). Driving-wise, SFO-Napa-Petaluma is only slightly shorter than SFO-Pleasanton-Petaluma.

I checked and for the first Thursday in November they had one night stays available.

Are there any hotels in the Bay Area with good, reliable, fast internet connections?

I have a stay in SF planned for Nov 2-5.
I need to be in the area of Union Square/Market Street, which makes many of the Starwood properties convenient. But the lowest rates on SPG.com are the Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf for $199 /night before the high taxes, and the Westin Market St. for $207/night before taxes.
The W, St. Francis and Le Meridien are $289, $242, $322 per night.
According to alot of posts prices are more in the $100-$200 range normally and not the $200-$400 range like it seems to be now.

Am I missing something? Is there a big event or are these rates normal for this time of year? I'm a noob when it comes to Starwood hotel stays, but according to the reading I've been doing on FT, this seems really high than what everyone else stays for.

Those seem plausible for midweek rates, especially without any sort of discount. Have you tried AAA rates?

Hey guys,

My wife and I are 20-somethings, staying in SFO this weekend on FWNs. I wanted to book the St Regis, but they're all booked. We were at the W in South Beach last month, and while I really enjoyed the W, we want to try something different. So right now I'm looking at both the Palace as well as Le Meridien.

Which would you recommend? We want something that has a good location, a good chance of getting an upgrade, and if one of them gave breakfast coupons or had a lounge, that would be a huge plus. Also something that's nice and that won't disappoint. We noticed that the Palace had it's last renovation in 2001 and the Le Meridien in 2008. Is the Palace kind of run down? Reviews on other websites have the LM rated higher than the Palace. But I also know that the LM experience can be had in other cities, whereas the Palace is strictly SFO.

Any comments?

We've never stayed at the LM, but we enjoy the elegance of the Palace and often stay there on FWNs when we don't want to travel, or when we want to see a show in The City and not have to worry about getting home. It has a somewhat better location for a weekend stay (the Financial District can be kind of dead), but they're not all that far apart so that's not a big concern.

Hey guys,

My wife and I are 20-somethings, staying in SFO this weekend on FWNs. I wanted to book the St Regis, but they're all booked. We were at the W in South Beach last month, and while I really enjoyed the W, we want to try something different. So right now I'm looking at both the Palace as well as Le Meridien.

Which would you recommend? We want something that has a good location, a good chance of getting an upgrade, and if one of them gave breakfast coupons or had a lounge, that would be a huge plus. Also something that's nice and that won't disappoint. We noticed that the Palace had it's last renovation in 2001 and the Le Meridien in 2008. Is the Palace kind of run down? Reviews on other websites have the LM rated higher than the Palace. But I also know that the LM experience can be had in other cities, whereas the Palace is strictly SFO.

Any comments?

Hands down the LM in my book. To be fair, I prefer a modern hotel to a historic one, but I think the LM wins on room quality and elite treatment. The area around the LM can be quiet on weekends, but the Ferry Building is only a couple of blocks away and North Beach and Union Square aren't far either. The LM staff are friendly and there's a reasonable (for SF) parking lot across the street if you have a car.

what is the best one to visit Monterey???

Did a search, and there is no starwood hotel nearby.....weird..

what is the best one to visit Monterey?
It doesn't really matter - Monterey is about a three hour drive from SF. Something down in the San Jose area would shave an hour off your drive.

Hands down the LM in my book. To be fair, I prefer a modern hotel to a historic one, but I think the LM wins on room quality and elite treatment. The area around the LM can be quiet on weekends, but the Ferry Building is only a couple of blocks away and North Beach and Union Square aren't far either. The LM staff are friendly and there's a reasonable (for SF) parking lot across the street if you have a car.

We've never stayed at the LM, but we enjoy the elegance of the Palace and often stay there on FWNs when we don't want to travel, or when we want to see a show in The City and not have to worry about getting home. It has a somewhat better location for a weekend stay (the Financial District can be kind of dead), but they're not all that far apart so that's not a big concern.

Thanks for your comments. I, too, really like old-world style so long as it is kept up and has all of the modern amenities you would expect in a new hotel. But LM has better reviews.

Still torn...

Thanks for your comments. I, too, really like old-world style so long as it is kept up and has all of the modern amenities you would expect in a new hotel. But LM has better reviews.
You could always stay at the LM and visit the Palace. The most interesting parts of the Palace are the public areas.

I had a large number of nights at the Palace last summer and I have to say I did not sleep well while I was there. I ended up staying at the Palace, Westin Market Street, W, and Westin St. Francis. Of those hotels, I preferred the W and the Westin St. Francis. I however have heard complaints if you get an old room. I was upgraded and put in the tower so I didn't experience that.

I was there for business, but the Palace just didn't do it for me. The two westins and the palace all essentially have the same location. The W is only a slight distance away.

My wife and I stayed in the Le Meridien this past weekend. We had a fantastic time in San Fran - the hotel was pretty good. Over the weekend, the area was pretty dead (we already knew this would be the case), so a lot of restaurants within a 2-3 block distance were closed. But we usually just walked a bit further and went to some great places in Chinatown and North Beach. There was a fantastic Farmers Market just a couple blocks away on Saturday - we had the most delicious roasted pork sandwich there. The bart, metro, buses and cable car were all really close - no complaints there.

One HUGE plus we loved while we were there - the bed. I don't think I've ever slept in such a comfortable bed. Not sure what made it so incredible, but both my wife and I fell in love with it. Zzzzzzzzz....

The only slightly negative comment I have about the hotel was that it was pretty boring. Maybe it's common across the LM brand (this was the first one I've stayed at) but there's no distinction to it. St Regis has unparalleled luxury, the W is "cool," Sheraton is regular full-service, Westin is a step-up full service. I thought there would be something distinctive about Le Meridien, but no. The other thing is that I didn't get an upgrade on a high floor. They gave me a studio suite on a low floor that faced an ugly building, so we opted for a regular room on a higher floor with a view of the bay. From what I saw, the hotel was pretty empty while we were there - can't prove one way or the other whether or not there was something available that we didn't get - we were fine with a regular room with a view - just woulda been nice, ya know?

Also, even though it was recently renovated, you can still tell it's a 20-30 year old hotel. The only associated negative I saw with that was the basement gym - it's stuffy and worn. But again, no huge complaint there, just an observation.

All in all, we had a great time. Had I to do it over again, I probably would have chosen the Palace, simply for it's ambiance and it's location, but we were happy with the Le Meridien.

You could always stay at the LM and visit the Palace. The most interesting parts of the Palace are the public areas.

We almost did just that ... the city was putting on a night "Ghost Walking Tour" at the Palace on Halloween night, but for some reason my wife wasn't interested. I really wanted to, but oh well...

Over the weekend, the area was pretty dead (we already knew this would be the case), so a lot of restaurants within a 2-3 block distance were closed. But we usually just walked a bit further and went to some great places in Chinatown and North Beach. There was a fantastic Farmers Market just a couple blocks away on Saturday - we had the most delicious roasted pork sandwich there. The bart, metro, buses and cable car were all really close - no complaints there.

/foodie post

Not much open in the financial district on the weekends, but as you say you're not far from some decent places. I recommend Comstock for a drink (~3 blocks away, just up Columbus). Aside from going to the North Beach and Chinatown (potential) tourist traps, nearby I'd recommend: Kokkari, Globe, Coi, Chiaroscuro, and Perbacco. These should all be open on the weekend.


Also, the porchetta sandwiches are available at the roti roti truck at the farmer's market every thursday and saturday. Recommend you get there before 1130 or you'll be in line forever; trying to grab one on the late side is a good line strategy but they often run out.

/foodie post

Not much open in the financial district on the weekends, but as you say you're not far from some decent places. I recommend Comstock for a drink (~3 blocks away, just up Columbus). Aside from going to the North Beach and Chinatown (potential) tourist traps, nearby I'd recommend: Kokkari, Globe, Coi, Chiaroscuro, and Perbacco. These should all be open on the weekend.


Also, the porchetta sandwiches are available at the roti roti truck at the farmer's market every thursday and saturday. Recommend you get there before 1130 or you'll be in line forever; trying to grab one on the late side is a good line strategy but they often run out.

Yeah, I realized that North Beach and Chinatown are potential tourist traps, but we found a great seafood restaurant at Soto Mare. Plus, I speak Cantonese (lived in Hong Kong for two years), so I was able to order some very good dim sum from a bakery that spoke very little English. So fortunately, I was able to stay away from the traps.

And YES! that is exactly the sandwich we had. It was incredible. We also got the chicken plate with the potatoes. YU-MMY!

I LOVED the Palace. I was upgraded to a suite where I sat and watched the Chinese New Year Parade. Very good service and lovely suite. I'd go again in a heartbeat.

Any of the hotels including the Sheraton offer breakfast for plats?

Any of the hotels including the Sheraton offer breakfast for plats?

Im my experience, only the Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf includes complimentary breakfast for Plats.

Which property has the best gym/fitness center? I would guess the St. Regis? What would be #2?

Which property has the best gym/fitness center? I would guess the St. Regis? What would be #2?

The Meridien has a really comprehensively equipped and modern gym as I recall, I think I managed to do my full gym programme. I cannot speak for the other properties.

Hello,

I'm planning a quick trip to San Francisco for the Presidents Day Weekend. In the past, I've stuck to Joire de Vie hotels, but now that I'm vested in the SPG program, I'd like to stick with starwood properties in the city (not the airport).

What are everyone's thoughts on the properties? I'm potentially interested in all of them (except St. Regis - not willing to break the bank!), but would like to get the insider info on the particular properties. For example,

Which Westin? Market St or Union Square...

Which is the better 'boutique hotel', the Le Meridian or W SOMA...

Any point in staying at the Sheraton near the wharf?

What's the consensus on value vs. 'wow' factor?, etc.

I appreciate the thoughts!

greener_007

Welcome to the SPG forum.

I like the W above all else but many others will contribute their own experiences.

IMHO, most SPG properties in SF proper are bleh, with the only exceptions being the W and the St. Regis, but you'll pay for it...

(Disclaimer: as a non-elite SPG member, my opinion is not driven by elite-treatment criteria).

You also have the option of the Palace. Many SPG elites disparage this hotel, but a number of others like it. I think it has a lot to offer from the value-for-dollar perspective. Its location is literally next to the BART station that offers airport service. The rooms are perfectly fine - not W glitzy or Westin-stylish, but clean, comfortable and perfectly adequate. The entire hotel was closed for over a year in the 1990s for an extensive reconstruction, and I feel that it is still in good shape.

With a couple of minor inconsistencies, service has been fine, very warm in most cases. And the Palace offers something that only the St. Francis offers - character. The Palace has a storied history; while the present building is a re-building of the original 1875 structure that was widely considered "the greatest hotel in the world" when it was built, the Palace is redolent of San Francisco and California history. Many prospective guests don't care about this, and I understand that. I do, however, think that the Palace should not be rejected out of hand; the pricing is sometimes quite good when compared to the other SPG options in the center city.

I was at the Le Meridien over Halloween last year - I wasn't overly impressed. Maybe the best thing about it is the view from the rooms. We got a partial view of the harbor/bridge, but I know they have better rooms than the one I got. If you can get a room with a great view, then that would definitely be a draw. Otherwise, do the W, St Regis or Palace. I agree with Non-Non-Rev - I like hotels with distinction and the Palace fits well within that category. The Le Meridien does not.

What's the consensus on value vs. 'wow' factor?, etc.
My recommendation is to spend as little time as possible in whatever hotel you choose. San Francisco is far too interesting to spend unnecessary time in a hotel room!

My recommendation is to spend as little time as possible in whatever hotel you choose. San Francisco is far too interesting to spend unnecessary time in a hotel room!

+1. Though I like the Westin on Market.

The Meridien has a really comprehensively equipped and modern gym as I recall, I think I managed to do my full gym programme. I cannot speak for the other properties.

Thank you. This helps.

I'm researching Presidents Day, too. I can get basically the same rate at every SPG property except the W and the St. Regis. The W is about 50% more and the StR is about double the price. I'm leaning toward Le Méridien. Some friends have suggested the Embarcadero for my tourist pursuits. I'd be interested in the historic Palace and St. Francis properties, but it sounds like upgraded rooms are important there (and I won't get one as a Gold).

Outside SPG, the new IC looks good, but I'm not sure about the SoMA location (even if the StR and W are there, too).

Hello,

I'm planning a quick trip to San Francisco for the Presidents Day Weekend. In the past, I've stuck to Joire de Vie hotels, but now that I'm vested in the SPG program, I'd like to stick with starwood properties in the city (not the airport).

What are everyone's thoughts on the properties? I'm potentially interested in all of them (except St. Regis - not willing to break the bank!), but would like to get the insider info on the particular properties. For example,

Which Westin? Market St or Union Square...

Which is the better 'boutique hotel', the Le Meridian or W SOMA...

Any point in staying at the Sheraton near the wharf?

What's the consensus on value vs. 'wow' factor?, etc.

I appreciate the thoughts!

Outside SPG, the new IC looks good, but I'm not sure about the SoMA location (even if the StR and W are there, too).

The new IC is my favorite hotel in San Francisco. Location is not bad, and there are always taxis around also. You may want to check out the IC Ambassador program as with a buy one get one free it is possible to save the cost of the membership on a stay here. The other alternative is that I have found this IC available with DL miles at a really great combo offer (IIRC 18K DL miles per night) when the hotel is selling >$300 per night.

I'm researching Presidents Day, too. I can get basically the same rate at every SPG property except the W and the St. Regis. The W is about 50% more and the StR is about double the price. I'm leaning toward Le Méridien. Some friends have suggested the Embarcadero for my tourist pursuits. I'd be interested in the historic Palace and St. Francis properties, but it sounds like upgraded rooms are important there (and I won't get one as a Gold).

Outside SPG, the new IC looks good, but I'm not sure about the SoMA location (even if the StR and W are there, too).

While not super far, I find the Le Meridien area is a little dead/away from happening things if you like to be out at night time, though that may be exactly what you are looking for. It is closer to the Embarcadero than the St. Francis & the Palace though if distance is important to you. Personally the walk didn't bother me. Then again, I walked from the Westin Market to Sausalito without hesitation a couple of trips ago so my perception of distance...

I did recently stay at the Westin on Market and though I did not get a suite upgrade (I'm a Gold too) they did give me a premier room on the SPG floor with a cool southern view of the city.

Thanks a lot, TRAVELSIG and illico. I'll have to think more on this. I do have an IC BOGO, so that might make the difference for me. On my urban vacations, I typically walk 15+ miles a day, so the location issue for me is only about safety, not convenience.

Thanks a lot, TRAVELSIG and illico. I'll have to think more on this. I do have an IC BOGO, so that might make the difference for me. On my urban vacations, I typically walk 30+ miles a day, so the location issue for me is only about safety, not convenience.

Fortunately, I have never felt the slightest bit unsafe at this hotel. The Moscone Center area is not nearly as desolate as it used to be. Also a Cab to Embarcadero was ~$10.

I typically walk 30+ miles a day

30+ miles per day? That seems like a lot. I live in Manhattan and do a ton of walking...but over 30 miles per day seems a bit high.

Thanks a lot, TRAVELSIG and illico. I'll have to think more on this. I do have an IC BOGO, so that might make the difference for me. On my urban vacations, I typically walk 30+ miles a day, so the location issue for me is only about safety, not convenience.

Fortunately, I have never felt the slightest bit unsafe at this hotel. The Moscone Center area is not nearly as desolate as it used to be. Also a Cab to Embarcadero was ~$10.

I would agree. I didn't feel unsafe in that area either. I just felt Le Meridien was a little further away (but not much) from the livelier parts of SF than the St. Francis, Palace, W, Westin Market...

Hello,

I'm planning a quick trip to San Francisco for the Presidents Day Weekend. In the past, I've stuck to Joire de Vie hotels, but now that I'm vested in the SPG program, I'd like to stick with starwood properties in the city (not the airport).

What are everyone's thoughts on the properties? I'm potentially interested in all of them (except St. Regis - not willing to break the bank!), but would like to get the insider info on the particular properties. For example,

Which Westin? Market St or Union Square...

Which is the better 'boutique hotel', the Le Meridian or W SOMA...

Any point in staying at the Sheraton near the wharf?

What's the consensus on value vs. 'wow' factor?, etc.

I appreciate the thoughts!

Don't recomend the Sheraton near the wharf. Didn't enjoy my stay and won't be going back

As always your mileage may vary, but I had a deplorable experience at the Palace and never intend to return. My personal favorite is Le Meridien, and while it's very quiet over weekends in the Financial District, it's still a quick walk to the Ferry Building and China Town etc.

Does anybody know which SPG property is closest to UC San Francisco? My dad is having surgery there next month, and I'll probably need to book a hotel in the city to avoid taking BART back and forth from the East Bay.

Does anybody know which SPG property is closest to UC San Francisco? My dad is having surgery there next month, and I'll probably need to book a hotel in the city to avoid taking BART back and forth from the East Bay.
I would not say that any of the hotels are "near" UCSF, but my guess is that probably the St. Francis is closest, although the Wharf may be as well. Better chance of getting a bus if you're looking for public transit from around the St. Francis (and a nicer hotel overall than the Sheraton Wharf)

I would not say that any of the hotels are "near" UCSF, but my guess is that probably the St. Francis is closest, although the Wharf may be as well. Better chance of getting a bus if you're looking for public transit from around the St. Francis (and a nicer hotel overall than the Sheraton Wharf)

Ditto. the St. Francis would be the "closest".

But if you are taking the bus to the main med center area (such as Bus #6 Parnassus) then the Westin Market or the Palace might be more convenient.

The new IC is my favorite hotel in San Francisco. Location is not bad, and there are always taxis around also. You may want to check out the IC Ambassador program as with a buy one get one free it is possible to save the cost of the membership on a stay here. The other alternative is that I have found this IC available with DL miles at a really great combo offer (IIRC 18K DL miles per night) when the hotel is selling >$300 per night.

Hi there, can you please provide me with the link for the BOGO IC Ambassador Program. Thanks.

New SPG Plat here and curious which SF properties have club lounges?

New SPG Plat here and curious which SF properties have club lounges?

I use and refer people to BlondeBomber's details charts http://members.shaw.ca/deercroft/download.html

Only "note" is lounges are to be a brand standard for all Sheraton's (sometime soon) which may not be updated in the chart.

Is something going on in SFO the weekend of May 19-20? Both Westins, The Palace, and The W are booked solid.

edit. moving to Westin SFO thread

New SPG Plat here and curious which SF properties have club lounges?

None. :(

None. :(

Post was over a year ago.

Is something going on in SFO the weekend of May 19-20? Both Westins, The Palace, and The W are booked solid.

Some hotels have a minimum of a 2 nights booking, try for a 2nd night and you will find availability. Tried for the 19 to the 21st both Westins came up but the Palace and the W didnt.

Is something going on in SFO the weekend of May 19-20? Both Westins, The Palace, and The W are booked solid.

On any given weekend there's some event going on in the city. Your's happens to be Google I/O (http://www.google.com/events/io/2010/). These sort of conferences also help drive prices up when they're going on (you should see how much a room costs during Oracle Openworld :eek: ).

On any given weekend there's some event going on in the city. Your's happens to be Google I/O (http://www.google.com/events/io/2010/). These sort of conferences also help drive prices up when they're going on (you should see how much a room costs during Oracle Openworld :eek: ).

2010?!?

It's probably the American Thoracic Society ATS 2012 Int'l Conference (http://eventful.com/sanfrancisco_ca/venues/moscone-convention-center-/V0-001-000155989-4)

NM found my answer

Are there any recent reports on the Sheraton San Francisco Bay Bridge?

Are there any recent reports on the Sheraton San Francisco Bay Bridge?

I assume you're referring to the Four Points San Francisco Bay Bridge in Emeryville (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/starwood-preferred-guest/176009-four-points-emeryville-oakland-2009-master-thread.html). The Master Thread has some relatively recent reports. But, in a nutshell, know that it's decidedly NOT in (or very near) San Francisco, though there's quite a bit of non-descript commerce within very easy walk (Bay Street shopping, Denny's, Trader Joe's...)

Oops - yes it's a four points. Sorry!

any anyone stayed here of late ? Have booked some rooms for corporate get away.

Thanks

wow.. this thread has not been updated in a while..
i have been staying in Westin St Francis and the Palace over the last 2 months..
Trying Market street Westin next week, yet to try the others..
Overall i think i like St Francis better, aside from breakfast amenity and location (proximity to Bart).

need some advise here about an upcoming san francisco trip....have a family wedding to attend in el cerrito so mrs. keyser & i were earlier thinking of staying at the four points bay bridge property since it seems to be the closest starwood to where we need to be....but since this is mrs. keyser's first trip to san francisco, i thought we would be better off staying in one of the better properties....

its going to be a 5 night stay & i was thinking of using points....my options therefore are:

westin st. francis for 50k points....
palace hotel for 50k points....
sheraton fisherman's wharf for 50k points....
w san francisco for either 50k points or $550 + 30k points (only property with c&p available)....

the le méridien does not have award availability for my dates & i don't want to spend 80k points at the st. regis....

i'm leaning towards either the westin or using the c&p rate at the w....would love to hear some suggestions....

need some advise here about an upcoming san francisco trip....have a family wedding to attend in el cerrito so mrs. keyser & i were earlier thinking of staying at the four points bay bridge property since it seems to be the closest starwood to where we need to be....but since this is mrs. keyser's first trip to san francisco, i thought we would be better off staying in one of the better properties....

its going to be a 5 night stay & i was thinking of using points....my options therefore are:

westin st. francis for 50k points....
palace hotel for 50k points....
sheraton fisherman's wharf for 50k points....
w san francisco for either 50k points or $550 + 30k points (only property with c&p available)....

the le méridien does not have award availability for my dates & i don't want to spend 80k points at the st. regis....

i'm leaning towards either the westin or using the c&p rate at the w....would love to hear some suggestions....
Having stayed at all of the properties except Fisherman's Wharf...

Westin St. Francis - Okay if you are in the new tower. The old tower is repainted, but not soundproof, and there is almost always some sort of protest going on in the streets outside of the hotel, so prolly best to avoid. Also, parking is a fortune here, so park in the car park in Union Square to save a bundle.

Palace Hotel - This was so forgettable that I almost don't remember staying here. It is basically a nicer version of the old tower at Westin St. Francis, but the furniture and decor are still dated and tired.

W SF - This is prolly my favourite property. Rooms are modern and fresh. W-style, but Asian-inspired to reflect the tremendous Chinese population of SF. They recently remodelled their lobby/bar/restaurant area. Much more spacious than before. The breakfast amenity is worth it (there is an upgrade charge from continental to full), but I recommend eating outside of the hotel. Try a place called "The Grove" on Fillmore. Also, take Mrs. Keyser for dinner at "Slanted Door," which is at the ferry terminal building in Embarcadero (a brisk walk from the hotel). If you do not rent a hybrid, then parking is a fortune at this property, so park nearby at the Moscone Centre, which is a block or two down the street. As an SPG Plat from outside the US, you should have a better upgrade experience than US Plats here. Also, if you plan to stay here, the Bay Bridge is close by, but count on traffic during rush hour when going to El Cerrito.

LM SF - You are not missing much by not booking here. Service leaves little to be desired.

Westin Market Street - I am told by others on the board that this is a hotspot for bed bugs. During my SF bed bug nightmare, I was safe here. Avoid the 4PTS SFO at all costs.

Four Points SF Bay Bridge (Emeryville) - This is located in the Entertainment/Hi-tech hub of East Bay. You are within close proximity to several shopping centres, a movie theatre, and of course - Berkeley/El Cerrito. It is a typical Four Points experience pre-brand refresh. Clean and safe. Easy access to the city and all points East Bay. The BART is kind of a hike if you do not intend on renting a car.

W SF - This is prolly my favourite property. Rooms are modern and fresh. W-style, but Asian-inspired to reflect the tremendous Chinese population of SF. They recently remodelled their lobby/bar/restaurant area. Much more spacious than before. The breakfast amenity is worth it (there is an upgrade charge from continental to full), but I recommend eating outside of the hotel. Try a place called "The Grove" on Fillmore. Also, take Mrs. Keyser for dinner at "Slanted Door," which is at the ferry terminal building in Embarcadero (a brisk walk from the hotel). If you do not rent a hybrid, then parking is a fortune at this property, so park nearby at the Moscone Centre, which is a block or two down the street. As an SPG Plat from outside the US, you should have a better upgrade experience than US Plats here. Also, if you plan to stay here, the Bay Bridge is close by, but count on traffic during rush hour when going to El Cerrito.

Four Points SF Bay Bridge (Emeryville) - This is located in the Entertainment/Hi-tech hub of East Bay. You are within close proximity to several shopping centres, a movie theatre, and of course - Berkeley/El Cerrito. It is a typical Four Points experience pre-brand refresh. Clean and safe. Easy access to the city and all points East Bay. The BART is kind of a hike if you do not intend on renting a car.

thanks for the info....i'm leaning towards the w....also using suite night certificates so hopefully i should get a nice room....have a cousin who stays near embarcadero so she would pick us up everyday when we are heading over to el cerrito so i probably won't rent a car unless i decide to stay at the four points bay bridge....

thanks for the info....i'm leaning towards the w....also using suite night certificates so hopefully i should get a nice room....have a cousin who stays near embarcadero so she would pick us up everyday when we are heading over to el cerrito so i probably won't rent a car unless i decide to stay at the four points bay bridge....
Ok. Just making sure you know what you are in for.

Ok. Just making sure you know what you are in for.

thanks....i've been to sfo many times over the last 4-5 years but have only stayed at the hgi oakland/bay bridge as my clients would put me up there....this would be the first time in a long time that i won't be there for work....

thanks....i've been to sfo many times over the last 4-5 years but have only stayed at the hgi oakland/bay bridge as my clients would put me up there....this would be the first time in a long time that i won't be there for work....
Ahh, so you know the ins and outs of Emeryville. :)

Ahh, so you know the ins and outs of Emeryville. :)

pretty much....:D

I'm trying to move more nights over to Starwood this year, to hopefully hit 75 or even 100 nights. I spend a lot of time in San Francisco and have stayed in most of the Starwood properties over the winter. Now I am having trouble finding rates anywhere close to my company negotiated corporate rates I get at competitors (Marriott, Intercontinental) over the summer.
I've checked out some well known corporate codes but they don't really come close, plus I don't want to book rates I'm ineligible for. There don't seem to be many opportunities for BRG's either.
Does Starwood just have a different pricing strategy where they keep prices consistently higher, or am I missing the point entirely?

I'm trying to move more nights over to Starwood this year, to hopefully hit 75 or even 100 nights. I spend a lot of time in San Francisco and have stayed in most of the Starwood properties over the winter. Now I am having trouble finding rates anywhere close to my company negotiated corporate rates I get at competitors (Marriott, Intercontinental) over the summer.
I've checked out some well known corporate codes but they don't really come close, plus I don't want to book rates I'm ineligible for. There don't seem to be many opportunities for BRG's either.
Does Starwood just have a different pricing strategy where they keep prices consistently higher, or am I missing the point entirely?

when are you looking to stay????i have noticed that booking closer to your stay date in places like ny & sfo normally tends to get you a better rate....

Westin St. Frances : Great Location and very good service. I stayed there 3 times first time got upgraded to a nice room at the new tower, second time got upgrade to a very nice large suite at the new tower ( high floor, Union Sq. view) and third time I got Upgraded to their presidential suite ( the one Queen Elizabeth stayed at).

Palace- Old- Very old. there are better option in San Francisco so I don't stay there.

Westin Market St. : never stayed there so no comments

W San Fran: stayed once, good location but I won't be back. I can't stand their attitude. not a family friendly hotel. I won't go there with wife and kids as you will probably see some disturbing guest behaviour when passing by the lobby ( especially at night ).

St. Regis: great location, top service and excellent Platinum recognition.

when I go to San Fran I stay at either the Westin St. Francis or the St. Regis






need some advise here about an upcoming san francisco trip....have a family wedding to attend in el cerrito so mrs. keyser & i were earlier thinking of staying at the four points bay bridge property since it seems to be the closest starwood to where we need to be....but since this is mrs. keyser's first trip to san francisco, i thought we would be better off staying in one of the better properties....

its going to be a 5 night stay & i was thinking of using points....my options therefore are:

westin st. francis for 50k points....
palace hotel for 50k points....
sheraton fisherman's wharf for 50k points....
w san francisco for either 50k points or $550 + 30k points (only property with c&p available)....

the le méridien does not have award availability for my dates & i don't want to spend 80k points at the st. regis....

i'm leaning towards either the westin or using the c&p rate at the w....would love to hear some suggestions....

Westin St. Frances : Great Location and very good service. I stayed there 3 times first time got upgraded to a nice room at the new tower, second time got upgrade to a very nice large suite at the new tower ( high floor, Union Sq. view) and third time I got Upgraded to their presidential suite ( the one Queen Elizabeth stayed at).

Palace- Old- Very old. there are better option in San Francisco so I don't stay there.

Westin Market St. : never stayed there so no comments

W San Fran: stayed once, good location but I won't be back. I can't stand their attitude. not a family friendly hotel. I won't go there with wife and kids as you will probably see some disturbing guest behaviour when passing by the lobby ( especially at night ).

St. Regis: great location, top service and excellent Platinum recognition.

when I go to San Fran I stay at either the Westin St. Francis or the St. Regis

thanks....i was initially considering the w but now since i can use 35% off a 5 day reward, thanks to the plat re-qualification gift, i would need only 52k points for the st. regis....that seems like too good a deal to pass up....

when are you looking to stay????i have noticed that booking closer to your stay date in places like ny & sfo normally tends to get you a better rate....

Usually do a 2 to 4 night stay during the week, sometimes Sunday night as well. Was looking middle of May, last week of May, middle of June & last 2 weeks in July. I've stayed in both the Westin's, the W, and Le Meridien, they are all fine. I'm sure the Palace would work too. Sheraton in Fisherman's wharf is a bit out of the way.

Seems clear none of the in-town locations have concierge lounges with breakfast offerings. The breakfast packages I'm seeing for May are A LOT more money. So, if the choices are Market St., Palace, or LM or just possibly St. Francis, do any have great local options for full, hot breakfast both weekend days, within a block or so -- seems the famous Sears closed a few years ago but correct me if I'm wrong on that...

seems the famous Sears closed a few years ago but correct me if I'm wrong on that...

Consider yourself corrected: http://searsfinefood.com/ :)

Awesome, that makes my day, thanks! Not only should such hallowed institutions NEVER go out of business, they are the heart of what makes a city; but in addition, knowing it's still there also raises the appeal of the St. Francis just down the block, a couple of notches at least!

We just burned some points and SNAs at the St. Regis for a long weekend and couldn't have been happier. Excellent recognition of SPG status and facility/staff/food was top notch. Easily one of the best stays we've had at an SPG property.

Okay, so we have the St.F covered for hot breakfast a block away, but what about the others; I'd assume both Palace and Market St. have enuff happening in their immediate radius to present good options, slightly more concerned about LM in its somewhat quieter/more isolated locale, especially on weekends when the whole hood is likely to be shuttered. Don't really mind the absence of a hot lounge breakfast -- altho it can be a lovely perk, as in some of the European properties -- but just want that fuel to launch a full day that may include lots of activities, and would greatly prefer a local option to a very over-priced hotel dining room. Help me out here, it factors into the choice of hotel believe me...

Westin Market Street is my favorite for the balance of quality, location (2 minute walk to all SF buses via Market St. and the BART Montgomery stop), and price. I'm sure the St. Regis is fancier, but very few people can afford it on a regular basis. And if you're only in SF for a touristy visit, how much time do you plan to spend in your hotel room? I would recommend Westin Market Street. They have a very good breakfast lounge if you're a breakfast fan. However I only had it on weekdays as a platinum with free breakfast coupons. I don't know if it's available on weekends. I would call and ask if you're concerned about it. However, SF has so many restaurants that you're probably better off going somewhere if you want a big breakfast experience. Personally I would eat a light breakfast and just get my day going, then worry about lunch/dinner later.

Le Meridien lobby is still under renovation. I only stayed there once, and it is a bit more out of the way. Room was very nice.

thanks....i was initially considering the w but now since i can use 35% off a 5 day reward, thanks to the plat re-qualification gift, i would need only 52k points for the st. regis....that seems like too good a deal to pass up....

so now the website won't let me book 5 consecutive days at the st. regis in june, even though there seems to be standard room availability for all days....have asked my ambassador to look into it....

Le Meridien lobby is still under renovation. I only stayed there once, and it is a bit more out of the way. Room was very nice.

I kind of like that the LM is a little bit out of the way from all the super touristy stuff around Union Square and Market St. Easy walk into North Beach for tons of restaurants/bars.

Westin Market Street is my favorite for the balance of quality, location (2 minute walk to all SF buses via Market St. and the BART Montgomery stop), and price. I would recommend Westin Market Street. They have a very good breakfast lounge if you're a breakfast fan. However I only had it on weekdays as a platinum with free breakfast coupons. I don't know if it's available on weekends. I would call and ask if you're concerned about it.


Thank you for that. Their page makes no mention of the breakfast offer, and as a lowly Gold I probably wouldn't get it anyway. However we'll see what they have to say when I phone; the hotel itself and location are plenty fine for me, and yes it is a weekend "retreat" from SoCal; just been way too long since I was there last to know what the local breakfast options in their immediate vicinity might be...

Anybody stayed at the Aloft SFO? I have a great rate there--$100.00/night on the days where all the hotels downtown are over 400 USD (yes a convention going on) methinks taking the shuttle or taxi up and down will be much more economical than the higher prices.

Consider yourself corrected: http://searsfinefood.com/ :)

It did close (tax problems and such) and reopened (I believe under different ownership).

I stayed in the W recently and enjoyed my stay there. For your platinum breakfast amenity they give you $15 per person for use in their restaurant, which is excellent.

Anybody stayed at the Aloft SFO? I have a great rate there--$100.00/night on the days where all the hotels downtown are over 400 USD (yes a convention going on) methinks taking the shuttle or taxi up and down will be much more economical than the higher prices.

Yes, I've stayed there. Its not bad at all and just went through a very significant refurbishment (I think it was the Clarion hotel prior). They have an airport shuttle, so you could take that to SFO and then take the BART to downtown to get to your convention. That will likely be a 45 minute commute each way.

Yes, I've stayed there. Its not bad at all and just went through a very significant refurbishment (I think it was the Clarion hotel prior). They have an airport shuttle, so you could take that to SFO and then take the BART to downtown to get to your convention. That will likely be a 45 minute commute each way.

Thanks a lot. This helps very much.

Yes, I've stayed there. Its not bad at all and just went through a very significant refurbishment (I think it was the Clarion hotel prior). They have an airport shuttle, so you could take that to SFO and then take the BART to downtown to get to your convention. That will likely be a 45 minute commute each way.

You can also easily walk from the Aloft to the Milbrae BART/Caltrain station. Avoid the SFO BART surcharge that way too.

Which SPG Hotel has the best location for a family with some older teenagers ??
Not looking for amenities or upgrades...... just a location that has interesting stuff/restaurants/sports bars within easy walking distance.

Which SPG Hotel has the best location for a family with some older teenagers ??
Not looking for amenities or upgrades...... just a location that has interesting stuff/restaurants/sports bars within easy walking distance.

Are they actually interested sports bars? Or do they want to hang out in the Haight/Ashbury (former hippie district, with some lingering "reek" of marijuana and eyeburn of tiedye)? Just asking. I don't know many teenagers , but the ones I know are interested in this bit of San Francisco history.

For you, as a concerned parent, it's as safe as anything in the city.

If the Haight is of interest, I think the Westin St. Francis would be closest by a few blocks. It's a manageable walk (for a teenager), though you do walk through the projects.

If they're more "high tea" than "High Times", the Palace is great; they won't have to leave the property

If they want gaudy tourism, the Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf is your place.

If you're giving them your Platinum Amex, the St. Francis.

If you're sending them clubbing at/after midnight, the W works, as does the St. Regis.

If they want to hang out at the (former) Pacific Stock exchange and Federal Reserve, the Le Meridien.

For you, as a concerned parent, it's as safe as anything in the city.

If the Haight is of interest, I think the Westin St. Francis would be closest by a few blocks. It's a manageable walk (for a teenager), though you do walk through the projects.

If they're more "high tea" than "High Times", the Palace is great; they won't have to leave the property

If they want gaudy tourism, the Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf is your place.

If you're giving them your Platinum Amex, the St. Francis.

If you're sending them clubbing at/after midnight, the W works, as does the St. Regis.

If they want to hang out at the (former) Pacific Stock exchange and Federal Reserve, the Le Meridien.

:-::-::-::-::-:

If they want to hang out at the (former) Pacific Stock exchange and Federal Reserve, the Le Meridien.

Great summary overall, just wanted to add a vote for the Le Meridien's location-- easiest walking distance to north beach, and the ferry building and much of the Embarcadero area. A lot of stuff for a family of all ages to enjoy

I try to decide on which property to choose in San Fransisco. St Regis is out of my budget so that is easy. I am not interested in staying at Fishermans Warf. As far as I understand I can use the gym at all properties in the city center free of charge. Does all the properties have 24 h access to their gyms?

Regarding Platinum breakfast at the different properties is this true:
At The Palace I will get full breakfast?
At Westin in Market Street I will get continental and can pay 7 dollars to get the full breakfast?
At Le Meridien I will get a glass of juice and a bagel?
W will give me 15 dollars to order from the menu. (Guess no Ws in the US have a buffe)?
Westin St. Francis offers?

Regarding nice upgrade; I guess Le Meridien most likely will give the best upgrade?

Regarding Platinum breakfast at the different properties is this true:
At The Palace I will get full breakfast?
At Westin in Market Street I will get continental and can pay 7 dollars to get the full breakfast?
At Le Meridien I will get a glass of juice and a bagel?
W will give me 15 dollars to order from the menu. (Guess no Ws in the US have a buffe)?
Westin St. Francis offers?

Regarding nice upgrade; I guess Le Meridien most likely will give the best upgrade?

The palace gives the full buffet - and it's amazing. Probably the best hotel breakfast buffet I've ever been to (not that I go to a lot of buffets, but...)

The Westin St. Francis gives you two options - you can either take a $15 discount on the $30 buffet in the restaurant or you can choose 3 items from the cafe in the lobby (which serves pastries, yogurt, coffee, etc.).

Don't expect complimentary upgrades at either of these properties (at least to anything recognizable as an upgrade). In dozens of trips to the St. Francis I'm occasionally on a higher floor with a better view, but the room is about the same.

Don't expect complimentary upgrades at either of these properties (at least to anything recognizable as an upgrade). In dozens of trips to the St. Francis I'm occasionally on a higher floor with a better view, but the room is about the same.

Upgrades do happen, though. I'm the Palace now, and I was upgraded from a "Superior" (standard) room to a "Grand Deluxe" (very large) room. On a previous stay, I was upgraded to a suite.

But you're right: never firmly count on an upgrade.