US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-FlightFund Merger) - Best 767 Envoy seats?

We're booked to fly PIT-CDG in April (burning up our last old SWUs that expire end of that month). Which are the best seats in the front cabin (always travelled in EC on the '67s)? I've booked 1A & B.

Any other tips other than asking the FAs for an arrivals lounge pass?

This marks my first return to PAR on US after flying on one of the first few PHL-ORY service.

Can always hope there's an equipment change to a 333.

I flew AMS-PHL in the 767, I had a center aisle seat, was great because I could get up whenever I wanted too. I thought the food was excellent, and the seat was very comfortable. Wasn't quite as nice as the 330 business seat, but certainly still a great experience. The service is good, and I enjoyed the food.

Well, if you have to be on a 767 in envoy, i'd skip the bulkhead... go row 2,3,4 ..... row one has less room and noise from the galley.

my $.02

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by geo1004:
if you have to be on a 767 in envoy, i'd skip the bulkhead... go row 2,3,4 ..... row one has less room and noise from the galley.
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Thanks, I'll bow your to your superior knowledge of 767 Envoy.

I rather confirm in Envoy in the '67 than take my chance on the 330.

Believe it or not, I really don't think the 767 is that bad, especially on overnight flights where you probably want to sleep anyway. As suggested, avoid the bulkhead, I don't like it either ...

I just got back from a roundtrip to Amsterdam on a 767 in Envoy, and very much agree with the "skip the bulkhead" comments. There is LOTS of excess leg room in the non-bulkhead seats (2A and 2G in my case). I'm 6'2", and could stretch my legs completely without touching the seat in front of me. Very easy to step over your neighbor's legs to get to the bathroom, even from a window seat. The only advantage of the bulkhead is the extra pitch, but you don't need it on these flights. Have a great trip!

terenz - let me join the skip the bulkhead chorus. It's not a problem for me, since I'm only 5'6", but if you're taller and want more leg room, it can be entertaining. Go with Row 2, 3, or 4. I don't think you'll have much of a problem with someone's seat way reclined into yours.

Only thing with the 767 is I don't know if they'll have the noise cancelling headphones - since the 767's jacks do not have that third plug the 330s do for the NoiseBusters. So you may want to think about bringing your own along.

No noisereducing headsets on the 767. The entertainment system on the 767 is not nearly as good as the 330.

I'm on a CLT-LGW flight Apl 12-14, with seat 1B both ways. The seating plan shows no one in 1A (or any of the first row)--I do like having an empty next to me. After reading these comments I'm thinking of changing. As a 'not large' woman should I risk this 'tight' seat??

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Beckles:
Believe it or not, I really don't think the 767 is that bad...</font>thank you the good laugh for today!

I disagree.

I am curious as to why you dislike the 767...no offense implied in my message at all, however I wish US went with the 777 instead of the A330...no matter what anyone says you will never beat first class transcon on the 777 - like sitting in my living room!

I've flown the US A330 and the US 767 in Envoy many times. By a significant margin, I prefer the A330.

I was on a 767 AMS-PHL in Envoy about a week ago, and thought how could anyone like the 767 more than the 330???

I think what he means is that while the A330 is a whole lot better, the 767 still isn't that bad.

Like usual I disagree with geo. I flew PHL-MAN on A330 last week and came back AMS-PHL on a 767. (MAN-AMS was on BA) While the A330 was much more fun to mess with the video system, the seat was distinctly less comfortable; it felt less wide and had less support. Luckily for me I hardly ever sleep on the way to Europe, so it worked out nicely; I was the only one awake the whole time and got to see two longish movies and a few of the sitcoms. On the way back I napped on the 8.5 hour (is AMS-PHL USAirways' longest flight?) in much comfort.

My wife had to add that the A330's seat start off in a much more reclined position than the 767 and she doesn't like that; she likes to be pretty much sitting up on the plane rathern than reclined.

I'm glad all the rest of you like the Airbus; it gives me more upgrade changes on the 767 http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif The noise cancelling headrest is pretty cool I have to admit, but you can always buy that separately (which they guy in front of me on the way back had).

I sat in row 2 of the 767 coming back and at 5'10" had no problems with the guy in front of me reclining into my legs or touching his seat, even when he went all the way back. I also was able to put the tray table across without having it bump my legs. However, on the A330 when the guy in front of me reclined all the way back (I was in row 4 this time) he basically touched my legs. On top of that, the tray table was too low and actually sat on top of my legs, real annoying.

So for me if I can swing it it's A330 out and 767 back.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by pitflyer:
... (is AMS-PHL USAirways' longest flight?)</font>

No; that would be FCO-PHL.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by pitflyer:
(is AMS-PHL USAirways' longest flight?) </font>


Let's allow this comment to demonstrate for all just how much pitflyer knows about US Airways International flying. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif


Seriously though:

Seat comfort is subjective. Want to know the difference between the 767 and 330??? Go fly 'em and decide. The entertainment system on the 330 wins hands down. No one can argue otherwise. The 330 has 60" pitch and the 767 has 55" pitch. The reason the seats on the 330 appear to recline further back towards the passenger behind is because the seat reclines MORE on the 330 than the 767. The 330 seats are electric with lumbar support, the 767 has neither. The meals and service on both planes are supposed to be the same, however the 330 has steam ovens not found on the 767. Depending on the flight crew, service on the 767 can be better because the FA's generally prefer the 767 and there are fewer meals in Envoy to serve (max of 23 vs. 35).

Either way, I think US's Envoy service is a great way to get across the Atlantic. For me, I just like the 330 a bit more. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif




[This message has been edited by geo1004 (edited 02-27-2002).]

Just came back from the CDG trip. 762 on US48 PIT-CDG in 1A & 1B and CDG-PHL on the 333 on US27 in 4G & 4H.

Found service provided by the 4 FAs on US48 to have been my best Envoy experience (out of 8 flights) - superlative not only in warmth but level of service and attention even compared to my 6 CX BC and 1 FC flights last year. Writing a commendation letter for that.

Seats on the 767 seemed a big narrow but they were plusher then the A330s. Seatbacks are flat so I slept very well enroute to CDG. The seats also seem to hug you better. I've never been able to find a comfortable position on the 333 BC seats (or QF Dreamtime ones) and found the return flight to be torturous (partly due to stale hot dry air).

Food on US 27 back from CDG was among the worst I've had.

Trip report to follow