Practical Travel Safety Issues - TSA's position on stainless steel Cock rings and Ball weights




PhlyingRPh
Nov 11, 10, 8:50 pm
It has recently come to my attention that the wearing of stainless steel Cock rings and Ball weights while passing through a WTMD will result in the bearer being subjected to the newly approved pat down process. My question is whether or not a TSO, upon physically detecting the presence of said articles through the bearers clothing will require him to submit to a visual inspection of the same. Can a TSO shed some light on this rather weighty matter?


OffToOz
Nov 11, 10, 8:55 pm
It has recently come to my attention that the wearing of stainless steel Cock rings and Ball weights while passing through a WTMD will result in the bearer being subjected to the newly approved pat down process. My question is whether or not a TSO, upon physically detecting the presence of said articles through the bearers clothing will require him to submit to a visual inspection of the same. Can a TSO shed some light on this rather weighty matter?

Assuming you're not being facetious.... I have a male friend who confirmed at one time that the wearing of a "chastity device," once discovered during a routine pat down, did require a visual inspection. This was pre-panty bomber, but post 9/11 ... probably closer to 4 or 5 years ago.

PhlyingRPh
Nov 11, 10, 9:04 pm
Assuming you're not being facetious.... I have a male friend who confirmed at one time that the wearing of a "chastity device," once discovered during a routine pat down, did require a visual inspection. This was pre-panty bomber, but post 9/11 ... probably closer to 4 or 5 years ago.

To clarify, I consider this to be a serious forum in which serious issues and hard hitting facts are discussed in a mature manner, so no, I'm not being facetious. Based on your friend's experience, I wonder if the wearing of the accoutrements described in the OP have a place in the security theatre civil awareness campaign that appears to be forming?


Doc Savage
Nov 11, 10, 9:10 pm
To clarify, I consider this to be a serious forum in which serious issues and hard hitting facts are discussed in a mature manner, so no, I'm not being facetious. Based on your friend's experience, I wonder if the wearing of the accoutrements described in the OP have a place in the security theatre civil awareness campaign that appears to be forming?

Enjoy your "experiences" participating in the "security theatre civil awareness campaign that appears to be forming."

I will be breezing by rapidly to my flights and chuckling under my breath as you receive you special treatment.

PhlyingRPh
Nov 11, 10, 9:22 pm
Enjoy your "experiences" participating in the "security theatre civil awareness campaign that appears to be forming."

I will be breezing by rapidly to my flights and chuckling under my breath as you receive you special treatment.



Don't worry, I'll still take a stand for your rights when they come to take you away to the gas chambers for no other reason than you had to take your meds just to get through the checkpoint ;)

cordelli
Nov 11, 10, 9:34 pm
Ask the woman they forced to remove her nipple rings with a pair of pliers, she'll tell you how it goes

google

tsa pliers rings

for thousands of hits about it, including quotes from the tsa saying their officers were right in forcing her to remove them.

I would go for plastic or rubber ones instead, you stand a better chance at getting through.

Though it would be funny, what's that? I get easily excited and don't want to make a mess in your hand when you check me out :D

OffToOz
Nov 11, 10, 10:57 pm
To clarify, I consider this to be a serious forum in which serious issues and hard hitting facts are discussed in a mature manner, so no, I'm not being facetious.

I've seen enough of your posts to figure you were serious... it was just the "weighty matter" at the end that had me second guessing myself for a minute. ;)

Based on your friend's experience, I wonder if the wearing of the accoutrements described in the OP have a place in the security theatre civil awareness campaign that appears to be forming?

Unfortunately, his response was to switch to a plastic device rather that risk setting off the WTMD again. I believe the standard TSA response would be to compare such items to belts and watches - "all metal must be removed before passing."

Along the same vein, have there been any reports of people wearing leather undergarments through the nude-o-scopes and what the outcome from that has been?

MikeMpls
Nov 11, 10, 11:13 pm
you stand a better chance at getting through.

For some reason, I don't believe that's his goal. :p

N965VJ
Nov 11, 10, 11:14 pm
Along the same vein, have there been any reports of people wearing leather undergarments through the nude-o-scopes and what the outcome from that has been?

My understanding is the Nude-O-Scopes, for lack of a scientific/medical term, stop at "wet flesh". Dry leather jackets, pants, etc. do not obscure the wearer's body.

firequall
Nov 11, 10, 11:21 pm
I have no idea why anyone would be going through security with one on in the first place, unless they have some paraphilia for getting caught. :rolleyes: That, or you want to risk damaging your penis or testicles. Cock rings shouldn't be worn for any extended period of time, nor do I think you could manage wearing ball weights in a discreet manner.

As for the chastity issue, the CB-3000 has an option for plastic locks to help minimize WTMD detection. Should a pat-down be required, I would assume a visual inspection would take place, much like the case if a piercing is detected. The same would apply for said hypothetical cock ring.

sbagdon
Nov 12, 10, 1:49 pm
Ask the woman they forced to remove her nipple rings with a pair of pliers, she'll tell you how it goes

google

tsa pliers rings

for thousands of hits about it, including quotes from the tsa saying their officers were right in forcing her to remove them.

I would go for plastic or rubber ones instead, you stand a better chance at getting through.

Though it would be funny, what's that? I get easily excited and don't want to make a mess in your hand when you check me out :D
New t-shirt idea:

TSA: I suffer from, and sometimes enjoy, male pe. Tread lightly.

The truly brave shall spell that out on a t-shirt.

BearX220
Nov 12, 10, 2:02 pm
I have no idea why anyone would be going through security with one on in the first place, unless they have some paraphilia for getting caught. :rolleyes: That, or you want to risk damaging your penis or testicles. Cock rings shouldn't be worn for any extended period of time, nor do I think you could manage wearing ball weights in a discreet manner. But plenty of people, male and female, wear metal paraphernalia on their genitals, with or without piercings. I presume even a small earring-sized object would sound the alarm. I wonder how many of the people who say WBI is no big deal will change their tune when a TSO demands to see your c--- ring.

Boggie Dog
Nov 12, 10, 2:10 pm
But plenty of people, male and female, wear metal paraphernalia on their genitals, with or without piercings. I presume even a small earring-sized object would sound the alarm. I wonder how many of the people who say WBI is no big deal will change their tune when a TSO demands to see your c--- ring.

I've seen people with earrings not alarm the WTMD.

I think they would go unnoticed if on the ears so TSA must be discriminating against those who choose to wear their rings in locations other than ears.

BearX220
Nov 12, 10, 2:24 pm
I've seen people with earrings not alarm the WTMD... I think they would go unnoticed if on the ears so TSA must be discriminating against those who choose to wear their rings in locations other than ears. I wear a wedding ring I can't yank off. Same deal. Anything under clothing must excite special interest -- no pun intended.

Gargoyle
Nov 12, 10, 2:28 pm
The TSA "position" is for a TSO to kneel down in front of the passenger and gently stroke his "sensitive" regions with the back of a gloved hand, and then proceed to stroke, poke and squeeze more intensely until the alarm is resolved.

Must make the TSO's proud to be on the front line of defense against terrorism. Is this included in the job description when they first apply?

Boggie Dog
Nov 12, 10, 2:46 pm
The TSA "position" is for a TSO to kneel down in front of the passenger and gently stroke his "sensitive" regions with the back of a gloved hand, and then proceed to stroke, poke and squeeze more intensely until the alarm is resolved.

Must make the TSO's proud to be on the front line of defense against terrorism. Is this included in the job description when they first apply?

At least they are on their knees.:p

doober
Nov 12, 10, 2:50 pm
At least they are on their knees.:p

At which point, the vic might want to do a pelvic tilt in the direction of the screener on his/her knees. Stick it in their face.

Mac2010
Nov 12, 10, 3:40 pm
It has recently come to my attention that the wearing of stainless steel Cock rings and Ball weights while passing through a WTMD will result in the bearer being subjected to the newly approved pat down process. My question is whether or not a TSO, upon physically detecting the presence of said articles through the bearers clothing will require him to submit to a visual inspection of the same. Can a TSO shed some light on this rather weighty matter?

It's hard for me to understand why anyone would want to give themselves a reason for aditional screening. Just leave that stuff at home and act like a somewhat normal person.

joelfreak
Nov 12, 10, 4:11 pm
It's hard for me to understand why anyone would want to give themselves a reason for aditional screening. Just leave that stuff at home and act like a somewhat normal person.

What people do in their spare time should be of NO interest to the TSA. But its stupid policies like this one that make questions like this need to be asked. There is something you do, I am sure, that others would consider 'not normal'. Who are you to pass judgment on what is normal, or allowed?

DevilDog438
Nov 12, 10, 4:14 pm
It's hard for me to understand why anyone would want to give themselves a reason for aditional screening. Just leave that stuff at home and act like a somewhat normal person.

Your definition of normal and others will probably differ tremendously.

mattm199
Nov 12, 10, 4:20 pm
But in fact the issue with WBI is that it does not matter if something is metal or not (so why we have to take out wallets, passports or even a folded handkerchief - things that we are used to being no problem with WTMD's).

People are going to find that all the things an "experienced traveller" is used to being ok, are different under the "new rules"

So anything "unusual" whether metallic or not must be checked if detected - don't forget this all started to look for suspect underwear!

chugger1
Nov 12, 10, 4:23 pm
I still say have a big protein shake before leaving for the airport and let a big, gaseous, noxious, offensive cloud of festered intestinal gas rip right in their face as they go south with their stupid patdown.

goalie
Nov 12, 10, 4:58 pm
The TSA "position" is for a TSO to kneel down in front of the passenger and gently stroke his "sensitive" regions with the back of a gloved hand, and then proceed to stroke, poke and squeeze more intensely until the alarm is resolved.

Must make the TSO's proud to be on the front line of defense against terrorism. Is this included in the job description when they first apply?The only TSO I want "in position" and kneeling down in front of me is female ;)

MSY-MSP
Nov 12, 10, 5:05 pm
The only TSO I want "in position" and kneeling down in front of me is female ;)

I won't go that far. I have standards.....

goalie
Nov 12, 10, 5:10 pm
I won't go that far. I have standards.....But what if she's seriously hot looking* ;)



*Surely there's one out there ;)

MSY-MSP
Nov 12, 10, 5:12 pm
But what if she's seriously hot looking* ;)



*Surely there's one out there ;)

But if there is one, why is she working for TSA

janetdoe
Nov 12, 10, 5:18 pm
I still say have a big protein shake before leaving for the airport and let a big, gaseous, noxious, offensive cloud of festered intestinal gas rip right in their face as they go south with their stupid patdown.

This may be the first time I have felt sympathy for a TSO. Have you tried bromelain?

The TSA "position" is for a TSO to kneel down in front of the passenger and gently stroke his "sensitive" regions with the back of a gloved hand, and then proceed to stroke, poke and squeeze more intensely until the alarm is resolved.

Must make the TSO's proud to be on the front line of defense against terrorism. Is this included in the job description when they first apply?

Very interesting question. I wonder if the TSO workers would have a legitimate employment lawsuit on their hands, if suddenly their work description changes, or raises/promotions, etc, are subject to their willingness to grope the genitals of a passenger.

We may be seriously underestimating the number of TSOs who themselves are upset by this change.

And despite what everyone says about finding another job, I can imagine there are some people who are worried about feeding their children, and can't quit their job immediately over an admittedly incremental change in their job description. You can make references to the Nuremburg trials, but these agents aren't exactly herding people into gas chambers.

Now if they get in your face and ask you "Do you want to fly today?!?", feel free to release your protein shake gas on them. :D

tom911
Nov 12, 10, 5:46 pm
We may be seriously underestimating the number of TSOs who themselves are upset by this change.

Interesting point. If they were represented by a union they'd have someone to advocate for them, particularly if it is a change in working conditions.

GUWonder
Nov 12, 10, 5:58 pm
We may be seriously underestimating the number of TSOs who themselves are upset by this change.

Of course, out of the Thousands Standing Around, there will be those who are upset about having to do (quite literally) more manual labor; those upset about having to touch people in a way that may challenge their own idea of themselves, especially with regard to ideas about their own sexual orientation. And that's probably just for starters. Then there are those who are thrilled by the opportunities being provided to them by TSA employment.

Scubatooth
Nov 12, 10, 7:39 pm
I still say have a big protein shake before leaving for the airport and let a big, gaseous, noxious, offensive cloud of festered intestinal gas rip right in their face as they go south with their stupid patdown.

Yup that and a few table spoons of Flaxseed does the same thing.


But if there is one, why is she working for TSA

If shes attractive and working for TSA, there are probably other issues that I really dont want to deal with....IE a pyscho

BearX220
Nov 13, 10, 8:01 am
We may be seriously underestimating the number of TSOs who themselves are upset by this change.

And despite what everyone says about finding another job, I can imagine there are some people who are worried about feeding their children, and can't quit their job immediately over an admittedly incremental change in their job description. You can make references to the Nuremberg trials, but these agents aren't exactly herding people into gas chambers. The Nuremberg analogy is tempting but too facile -- most TSOs do not bear comparison to Nazis. Based solely on my subjective observations, I hypothesize TSOs fall into four main groups:

1. Idealistic people, conscious of the abusive / coercive aspect of recent events, and ambivalent or even agonized about it. Perhaps 20% of the TSO base.

2. Idealistic people who honestly believe abusive / coercive screenings are good medicine for Americans and America. Probably 30% of the TSO base.

2. Intrinsically abusive personalities who welcome recent events as personal opportunities. My guess is they constitute 20% of the TSO base, but generate 80% of the complaints.

4. Drones with no views or goals who will do anything for a paycheck. Idiots. Probably 30% of the TSO base.

PhlyingRPh
Nov 13, 10, 10:40 am
If shes attractive and working for TSA, there are probably other issues that I really dont want to deal with....IE a pyscho

Sometimes, the benefits outweigh the risks ;)

flyr16
Nov 13, 10, 10:55 am
You do realize, of course, that if the TSA gets a hold off this posting they will seek to shut it down, however they can.

Highly prized secrets at to how to keep us all safe are being discussed here and a premature release of that information can put the traveling public at risk.

Think that is too far fetched? With this TSA and their maniacal belief that they can do no wrong and that every new procedure is warranted? Each of these new procedures is a step to complete relinquishment of any civil right you have so that the TSA and its lobbyists can make ever more money.

BearX220
Nov 13, 10, 10:58 am
You do realize, of course, that if the TSA gets a hold off this posting they will seek to shut it down, however they can. What are you talking about? :confused:

flyr16
Nov 13, 10, 11:22 am
What are you talking about? :confused:

The statement is an example of reductio ad absurdum.

youreadyfreddie
Nov 13, 10, 11:37 am
But what if she's seriously hot looking* ;)

*Surely there's one out there ;)

How could that be possible when there are much more prestigious jobs on the bottom rung of the global sex trade?

PhlyingRPh
Nov 13, 10, 11:39 am
You do realize, of course, that if the TSA gets a hold off this posting they will seek to shut it down, however they can.

Highly prized secrets at to how to keep us all safe are being discussed here and a premature release of that information can put the traveling public at risk.

Think that is too far fetched? With this TSA and their maniacal belief that they can do no wrong and that every new procedure is warranted? Each of these new procedures is a step to complete relinquishment of any civil right you have so that the TSA and its lobbyists can make ever more money.

I'm sorry, I must be a bit dense this evening and having difficulty ascertaining precisely what you are attempting to communicate. Can you elucidate please?

pinkcat
Nov 13, 10, 12:06 pm
But plenty of people, male and female, wear metal paraphernalia on their genitals, with or without piercings. I presume even a small earring-sized object would sound the alarm. I wonder how many of the people who say WBI is no big deal will change their tune when a TSO demands to see your c--- ring.

no, a small earring size ring down there doesnt sound the alarm, given that my watch doesnt either I wouldnt expect it to. In a different lifetime I used to set up metal detectors to detect metal in prepared chickens, I found that non ferrous metals that exceeded the set threshold in one dimension could sometimes pass the metal detector if they were a very small in the other dimension eg a flake of aluminium foil

amps
Nov 13, 10, 1:39 pm
My stainless steel tongue ring has NEVER gone off so I'm not sure why a prince albert would.

BearX220
Nov 13, 10, 2:57 pm
no, a small earring size ring down there doesnt sound the alarm...

My stainless steel tongue ring has NEVER gone off so I'm not sure why a prince albert would.

Every metal object shows up on the backscatter machines, from earrings to pins in your hips (I have three) to decorations "down there." I guess you have to be willing to (virtually) display such decorations to an unseen TSO, who may be male or female, if you submit to the NoS. That is not "sounding the alarm" but it is certainly invasive by my standards.

JumboD
Nov 13, 10, 4:51 pm
Another hypothetical for you: what about a guy who wears a protective cup in public because he's had someone accidentally bang into his scrotum one too many times? Will they make him remove it? Is there anything saying one can't wear a nut-cup going through an airport?

jesirose
Nov 16, 10, 3:09 pm
It's hard for me to understand why anyone would want to give themselves a reason for aditional screening. Just leave that stuff at home and act like a somewhat normal person.

I think you are confusing "cock ring" as in a band of material secured around the base of the penis during sex with a "cock ring" as in a piercing. The same way a navel ring is a piercing, and not a band around the navel. You don't take out those piercings for a long time, or they close up. It's possible there are not good choices for a genital piercing made of plastic, but I don't know.



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