TalkBoard Topics - Am I right in thinking there has not been a TB vote for 4 months?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/town-hall-official-talkboard-voting-decisions-605/?pp=25&daysprune=365

Maybe the listing above is not up to date, but it seems say the last vote on anything was on July 12?? ( 4 months, not 5 as per heading that I can't now edit!)

As someone who served a 2 year term on TB, I seem to recall there was a vote each month or so for those 2 years .. often more often than that IIRC? I recal lseveral each WEEK at times.

And those votes often resulted in changes and new initiatives taking place - often major ones.

Often it was current TB members who proposed motions to be voted on if seconded. An active Talkboard can raise motions to vote on.

I notice there is a Talkboard election on.

Unlike other campaigns, this time I got no member email advising there was to be one, calling for candidates etc, and advising who was stepping down etc..

Maybe it went into my spam box, or maybe there was not one sent?

I can't even see a consolidated list of who all the candidates are, in this logical Forum.. the Talk Board Forum.

Perhaps I am missing it - but all I can see are questions to those standing who choose to respond, but no simple list of who the Candidates are.

All linked to, from a global announcement from Randy -

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/talkboard-candidate-debate-419.html

Has Talkboard passed its 'use by' date? I sense a general feeling of it being like Kodak roll film .... once essential, and now a footnote in history pretty much. :)

I just can't see why we have a Talkboard, if nothing happens on votes for a large chunk of the year to date?

Glen
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There was an announcement posted and Randy also posted in the CommunityBuzz Forum... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/communitybuzz/1141007-election-time.html.

A few days ago there was a one page summary available that detailed the 20 candidates and indicated which Talkboard member terms were expiring, but it seems to have disappeared.

BTW... fixing your title for you... :)

Thanks William .. been away, so just checked here for 1st time in a few weeks and thought it odd that "TalkBoard Topics" appears to have zero listings anywhere - of who is stepping down, and who is putting their nominations forward.

And no personal comment on the Kodak thing, given your previous locale. :)

It was just a lunch discussion today here, that had anyone suggested 10 years back that rolls of Kodak Film would be near obsolete in 2010, folks would have laughed and said "don't be so crazy"!

Thanks for the heading edit .. but zero votes on ANYTHING in 4 months really does beg the queston if we need a TB at all?

Glen
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Here's a link (http://www.flyertalk.com/talkthevote/) to the candidates for this years election.

Four TB members have their terms expiring this year: Spiff, nsx, skywalkerLAX and bhatsnax. Three of the four are running for re-election.

Just a FYI.

.. but zero votes on ANYTHING in 4 months really does beg the queston if we need a TB at all?
Just in case you haven't checked in to RBP Forum, someone raised a similar question two weeks ago:

Re-invigorating the Talk Board
(http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/only-randy-petersen/1138594-re-invigorating-talk-board.html)
I can't even see a consolidated list of who all the candidates are, in this logical Forum.. the Talk Board Forum.

You can find the list of 20 candidates here (http://www.flyertalk.com/talkthevote/).

According to 2008 TalkBoard Final Results (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/892263-2008-talkboard-final-results.html), I believe 4 TBers' term is up: Spiff, bhatnasx, skywalkerLAX, & nsx. Except for skywalkerLAX, all of them are seeking for re-election.

ETA:
Just saw Cholula's post. I guess he beat me by 8 minutes while I was composing and digging up the historical data. ;)

ETA:
Just saw Cholula's post. I guess he beat me by 8 minutes while I was composing and digging up the historical data. ;)

Happens to me all the time.

I'm a slow hunt-and-peck typer. :)

As a follow-up question has it always beeen the case in past elections that members had to be signed in to read the TB candidate Q&A in "Talkboard Elections 10" forum? Maybe it's just I'm noticing it this year being a candidate but was curious whether it always required member log-in to access that forum.

I don't know, I'm logged in all the time.

I have to say, I can understand where ozstamps is coming from in his thinking above - that's why I asked a question in debates about what candidates would do to ensure that the profile of TB remains high, even when TB is quiet.

Now, if only someone would notice I asked them that question ;)

I don't know, I'm logged in all the time.

I have to say, I can understand where ozstamps is coming from in his thinking above - that's why I asked a question in debates about what candidates would do to ensure that the profile of TB remains high, even when TB is quiet.

Now, if only someone would notice I asked them that question ;)

Here's my take on it (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-elections-10/1143904-question-8-talkboard-action.html#post15070298). Bottom line: no votes means either no pressing issues or no ability to agree or both.

Here's my take on it (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-elections-10/1143904-question-8-talkboard-action.html#post15070298). Bottom line: no votes means either no pressing issues or no ability to agree or both.

Unfortunately, TB is polarised on several recent issues. With no 2/3rd majority possible, nothing happens. As the lack of a majority is often clear in our private forum, no motion ever appears in the public forum - creating the impression nothing is happening.

Unfortunately, TB is polarised on several recent issues. With no 2/3rd majority possible, nothing happens. As the lack of a majority is often clear in our private forum, no motion ever appears in the public forum - creating the impression nothing is happening.

But that shouldn't stop individual TB members from posting on the public forum what THEY would like to see done (the TBG only say you can't talk about what OTHERS are talking about on the private forum, not that you can't talk about what YOU are talking about in the private TB forum!@:-))!

But that shouldn't stop individual TB members from posting on the public forum what THEY would like to see done (the TBG only say you can't talk about what OTHERS are talking about on the private forum, not that you can't talk about what YOU are talking about in the private TB forum!@:-))!

Well that may be true, but it would be a sort of odd conversation in which I said 'I'm talking about....' but could not say what anyone was replying?

So the only action is on sure bets that TB can agree upon privately? Unfortunate IMHO though I'm the natural boat rocker.

So the only action is on sure bets that TB can agree upon privately? Unfortunate IMHO though I'm the natural boat rocker.

IMHO that's the way it ought to be. Hash it out before voting, not during or after. The former builds teamwork; the latter builds animosity (and is incidentally much more fascinating to readers of TalkBoard Topics). I believe that the history is very clear on this. Consensus may be boring, but it's the way to go.

IMHO that's the way it ought to be. Hash it out before voting, not during or after. The former builds teamwork; the latter builds animosity (and is incidentally much more fascinating to readers of TalkBoard Topics). I believe that the history is very clear on this. Consensus may be boring, but it's the way to go.
And in all this, when do you listen and consult with the members you are supposed to represent? Or does everything happen in private and then you present us with a fait accompli motion which has already been made, with little chance to actually get anything from us beyond whether its a good or bad idea?

And in all this, when do you listen and consult with the members you are supposed to represent? Or does everything happen in private and then you present us with a fait accompli motion which has already been made, with little chance to actually get anything from us beyond whether its a good or bad idea?

Good question, Jen. On all issues I can recall, public debate has been the indispensable first step. The private debate draws heavily on the points raised in the public debate. (We aren't so brilliant that we can think of everything ourselves.)

The private "debate" tends not to be so much about the pros and cons but about finding a consensus and finding the words that accurately describe that consensus. In other words, it's wordsmithing and vote counting.

The public discussion is where the real exchange of ideas occurs, including the initiation of almost all issues. The TalkBoard simply could not function without the open TalkBoard Topics forum.

Well that may be true, but it would be a sort of odd conversation in which I said 'I'm talking about....' but could not say what anyone was replying?

Lol, I used to do it all the time! And it drove Jenbel (and I am sure others) nuts! :D

Look for threads in the private TB forum that say something along the lines of 'look what koko has done NOW!' :D ;) :p @:-)

Only sometimes ;) :p What used to drive me really nuts was your (and others) jumping from 'here's an idea' to 'here's a motion which someone else will second' with virtually no time for discussion/amendment in between :mad:

I believe a section of the guidelines was specifically included because of that - see the long-lasting effect you had! :D

But you weren't the only one who'd come on here to float ideas. Several of us were willing to share what we were thinking to get community input. It just seems there is a lot less of that going on. And I'm willing to admit, that it could be my perception - but it's very rare to see a thread initiated by a TB member these days, so the TB has become almost entirely reactive rather than proactive.

Only sometimes ;) :p What used to drive me really nuts was your (and others) jumping from 'here's an idea' to 'here's a motion which someone else will second' with virtually no time for discussion/amendment in between :mad:

I believe a section of the guidelines was specifically included because of that - see the long-lasting effect you had! :D

But you weren't the only one who'd come on here to float ideas. Several of us were willing to share what we were thinking to get community input. It just seems there is a lot less of that going on. And I'm willing to admit, that it could be my perception - but it's very rare to see a thread initiated by a TB member these days, so the TB has become almost entirely reactive rather than proactive.

Those were the days, my friend! The TB was never as much fun after you left! :-*

As I was departing the TB I felt there was a great deal more 'let's agree before we proceed' going on. I think that's what's going on. My way generated a lot of smoke here on the public (and in the private) forum, but not so much heat in terms of making changes. Now we get neither smoke nor heat.

But I could be wrong.

As I was departing the TB I felt there was a great deal more 'let's agree before we proceed' going on. I think that's what's going on. My way generated a lot of smoke here on the public (and in the private) forum, but not so much heat in terms of making changes. Now we get neither smoke nor heat.

But I could be wrong.

Well, we did get consensus on the forum change criteria. By the end of the wordsmithing, it was entirely noncontroversial.

koko, yours was the last TalkBoard to really cut loose AND have major achievements. You left very little undone, so the current calm mode of operation makes perfect sense.

Maybe Randy's departure will cause enough trouble to attract you back to the TalkBoard. @:-) :D:D:D

And we managed that despite massive amounts of grandstanding, politicking, bad behaviour and internecine strife ;)

Or maybe even because of... :D

And we managed that despite massive amounts of grandstanding, politicking, bad behaviour and internecine strife ;)

Or maybe even because of... :D

I understood. If you see someone who have a attitude problems on the forums. You are taking own responsibilities for ours members behavioral on aviation-related forums. You have try to reports to mods immediately. They will bans the forums within 1 week or 2 weeks without FlyerTalk for approximately 30 days to 60 days. If you will given the issued warning for that and it will automatically to gets disciplinary actions against the members.

And we managed that despite massive amounts of grandstanding, politicking, bad behaviour and internecine strife ;)

Or maybe even because of... :D

I personally think it was the latter. Kept everyone sharp and on their toes!

But look at us now, all greybearded and nostolgic over the PunkiWars®. :D