Practical Travel Safety Issues - Newark airport screener charged in theft of cash

http://www.northjersey.com/news/transportation/101910_Newark_airport_screener_charged_in_theft_of _cash.html


Tuesday, October 19, 2010

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NEWARK — Federal authorities say a security screening supervisor stole as much as $700 a day from travelers passing through his checkpoint at Newark Liberty International Airport.

Forty-one-year-old Michael Arato of Ewing was arrested Tuesday following a five-week investigation.

Investigators say Arato also accepted kickbacks and bribes from a co-worker who also stole cash from passengers' bags. That person, who was not named, has been cooperating with the federal investigation.

The U.S. Attorney's Office says Arato and the "co-schemer" targeted non-English-speaking victims, particularly women returning to India on a daily flight from Newark.. .

This is just disgusting.

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Like how those Background Checks are working.

And these people don't get screened going in the secure area.

I would suggest that they at least get screened before leaving the checkpoint.

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1...I don't know how they could say that. EWR is a cesspool of TSA corruption. From October 8:
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-14/1223440600278090.xml&coll=1

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Robert Johnson on the news link left a rather interesting comment just along those lines

What a surprise, especially coming from the most professional screening clerks..........:rolleyes: Another one bites the dust!^

Like how those Background Checks are working.

If somebody has NO past history of theft, how would the background check do any good?

Not defending the dumbass TSO, just saying.

If somebody has NO past history of theft, how would the background check do any good?

Not defending the dumbass TSO, just saying.The background checks obviously don't work when there is no past history of theft, and that is why the screeners should be screened entering and leaving work.

But some TSA employees do have prior criminal records but were hired anyway.

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I don't know how they could say that. EWR is a cesspool of TSA corruption. From October 8:
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-14/1223440600278090.xml&coll=1

I don't disagree with you, doc.

However, the TSA always issues some statement claiming it was an "isolated incident."

At some point, so many "isolated incidents" don't make them particularly isolated anymore. But that won't stop the TSA from making the claim over and over and over again.

# Tuesday October 19, 2010, 11:41 PM - Robert_Johnson says:
Hmmm Why am i not surprised that yet another TSA employee caught violating the public trust. The only things TSA is good at is Theft Sexual Assault, groping grandmothers,using the constitution as toilet paper, trying to convince the american public that being irradiated and see naked is really needed, and much much more TSA Spokehole commenting that this is " a isolated incident that is not reflective of TSA ...... " in 3....2....1..... http://www.nudeoscope.com/

# Tuesday October 19, 2010, 9:38 PM - chuck gallagher says:
TSA at Newark goes from bad to worse. This is an example of our tax dollars and security fees protecting us? Not from TSA employees, obviously. I guess it gets boring confiscating bottled water and nail clippers; why not turn to a little larceny? It seems TSA is part of a government program for employing the unemployable. Add in a little authority over the public, it's a dangerous mix. For a laugh, Google "Newark TSA screener arrsted." Count the hits.



ouch no punches being pulled, just the facts.

I wonder how long till someone from TSA utters that famous line. now only if a reporter would jump on that comment and run with it and really bust this story wide open.

WSJ also picked up the article:

Newark TSA Supervisor Charged With Stealing From Travelers

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304510704575562932456807218.html

TSA is more dangerous than terrorists. Let's count the number of instances....:rolleyes:

What a surprise, especially coming from the most professional screening clerks..........:rolleyes: Another one bites the dust!^

You beat me to Another one bites the dust.

NEWARK — The two security screeners at Newark Liberty International Airport stole up to $700 every time they worked, furtively grabbing hundred dollar bills from carry-on luggage belonging to women flying home to India, authorities said.

They joked about wanting to steal in front of their supervisors and brazenly split up the cash under the watch of an airport security camera. On one occasion, the chief suspect looked up at the camera and raised his middle finger, authorities said.

"If I find an envelope, I’m taking it. I swear to my kids," said the screener, Michael Arato, according to a criminal complaint filed today in federal court in Newark.

If somebody has NO past history of theft, how would the background check do any good?

Not defending the dumbass TSO, just saying.

TSA employees get a free pass on being screened before, during, and after work. The reason that the scumbags "in charge" of TSA tout is that they had a background check and are therefore beyond reproach.

Here's yet another "isolated incident" that shows why these lying scumbags ought to be caned and deported and that all TSA employees should be screened every time they enter or depart landside or any area that passengers are not permitted such as the baggage area.

TSA: a national disgrace.

TSA employees get a free pass on being screened before, during, and after work. The reason that the scumbags "in charge" of TSA tout is that they had a background check and are therefore beyond reproach.

Here's yet another "isolated incident" that shows why these lying scumbags ought to be caned and deported and that all TSA employees should be screened every time they enter or depart landside or any area that passengers are not permitted such as the baggage area.

TSA: a national disgrace.

I've never understood that either. It was a total shock to me when I found out about that (when I first joined). At SFO, we still have to put our bags through the x-ray every day coming into work.

I don't know how they could say that. EWR is a cesspool of TSA corruption. From October 8:
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-14/1223440600278090.xml&coll=1

. . . and how could we forget about Mr. Ray who alegedly stole hundreds of dollars from a wheelchair-bound passenger . . . at EWR

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/05/security_scanner_at_newark_air.html

I've never understood that either. It was a total shock to me when I found out about that (when I first joined). At SFO, we still have to put our bags through the x-ray every day coming into work.

You should tell that to your friends at MCI. Every time they re-enter the sterile area, they do so via a door that leads out to the non-sterile area. A quick hello to the clerk guarding the door, and they are off. No WTMD, bag x-ray, etc...

I've never understood that either. It was a total shock to me when I found out about that (when I first joined). At SFO, we still have to put our bags through the x-ray every day coming into work.

Um..your bags should also be checked every day leaving work. Thoroughly checked.

Um..your bags should also be checked every day leaving work. Thoroughly checked.

Our bags our in the breakroom all day. I don't know about other airports, but our SCC (screening control center) watches us just about, if not more, than passengers. Besides, our union would never allow it.

You should tell that to your friends at MCI. Every time they re-enter the sterile area, they do so via a door that leads out to the non-sterile area. A quick hello to the clerk guarding the door, and they are off. No WTMD, bag x-ray, etc...
Who would screen the employees? According to this Tory multiple employees were involved. And it was simply cash- x-rays would not find it, WTMD would not find it, ETP would not find it, doubtful a pat-down would not find it (a few bills run underneath the shirt tucked underneath the waistband would hide it from any pat-down).

The only thing to do in this situation is to inventory anyone who comes through (heck, all airline employees - I could do this in conjunction with a fast-food employee and pass the cash off to them) - and I mean inventory EVERY employee. How long would that take? Dump your wallet? Heck, take a hundred dollar bill, fold it, and stick it into a slot meant to carry a credit card, and it's obvious more than a dump of everything brought in by employees is needed.

So just how much time/money would this cost? And how do you ensure the person searching me isn't receiving part of what I steal?

The idea to search everyone might work well when you have a limited amount of people, but with hundreds and even thousands of people coming and going every few hours, it just won't work. Oh, you may want it to work, but we all know it will not, even if you don't admit it.

If anyone comes up with a realistic solution how to effectively screen all airport employees who come and go hourly, I'll listen.

Um..your bags should also be checked every day leaving work. Thoroughly checked.
Checked for what? How would anyone know what effectively someone has with them? Airport employees routinely buy things at the stores. We buy things from individuals selling items on the side (some women at SAT sell make-up on the side to airport employees). I've had friends/family drop things off to me when they fly out.

How much time are you willing to spend inventorying property coming into the airport? What if an item is missed (which of course we know I'll happen often); can that employee then go home with that missed inventories item? Or do they have to leave it behind. I've forgotten sometimes when I've had some cash in my pocket (we all have). What if that happens and it's found when I leave?

In you can begin to effectively explain the solution to all of these, you might have the beginnings of an answer.

Who would screen the employees? According to this Tory multiple employees were involved. And it was simply cash- x-rays would not find it, WTMD would not find it, ETP would not find it, doubtful a pat-down would not find it (a few bills run underneath the shirt tucked underneath the waistband would hide it from any pat-down).

The only thing to do in this situation is to inventory anyone who comes through (heck, all airline employees - I could do this in conjunction with a fast-food employee and pass the cash off to them) - and I mean inventory EVERY employee. How long would that take? Dump your wallet? Heck, take a hundred dollar bill, fold it, and stick it into a slot meant to carry a credit card, and it's obvious more than a dump of everything brought in by employees is needed.

So just how much time/money would this cost? And how do you ensure the person searching me isn't receiving part of what I steal?

The idea to search everyone might work well when you have a limited amount of people, but with hundreds and even thousands of people coming and going every few hours, it just won't work. Oh, you may want it to work, but we all know it will not, even if you don't admit it.

If anyone comes up with a realistic solution how to effectively screen all airport employees who come and go hourly, I'll listen.

First off, what do you need to bring to the airport? You are there to screen pax, not purchase items from the airport shops. A start would be to require screening clerks to store all personal items. The lockers would be in a secure room, outside the checkpoint. Why do you need your wallet or cell phone at the checkpoint?

First off, what do you need to bring to the airport? You are there to screen pax, not purchase items from the airport shops. A start would be to require screening clerks to store all personal items. The lockers would be in a secure room, outside the checkpoint. Why do you need your wallet or cell phone at the checkpoint?
Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your response doesn't really deserve a reply.... However, many people, including myself, need NEED a cell phone for family reasons. And where would the room for these lockers come from? Can employees not bring their own lunch? Many airports only have a food court on the sterile side, where microwaves are. And if someone doesn't bring their own lunch, how do they pay for food without their wallet?

I could go on. You need a better response.

Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your response doesn't really deserve a reply.... However, many people, including myself, need NEED a cell phone for family reasons. And where would the room for these lockers come from? Can employees not bring their own lunch? Many airports only have a food court on the sterile side, where microwaves are. And if someone doesn't bring their own lunch, how do they pay for food without their wallet?

I could go on. You need a better response.

I am still thinking about how I want to respond to your earlier comment. My post above was just asking some simple questions... :rolleyes:

Checked for what? How would anyone know what effectively someone has with them? Airport employees routinely buy things at the stores. We buy things from individuals selling items on the side (some women at SAT sell make-up on the side to airport employees). I've had friends/family drop things off to me when they fly out.

How much time are you willing to spend inventorying property coming into the airport? What if an item is missed (which of course we know I'll happen often); can that employee then go home with that missed inventories item? Or do they have to leave it behind. I've forgotten sometimes when I've had some cash in my pocket (we all have). What if that happens and it's found when I leave?

In you can begin to effectively explain the solution to all of these, you might have the beginnings of an answer.

Well, we do all have to do our part for security. Perhaps TSO lockers should be outside the sterile area and TSOs themselves should pass a WTMD when going off shift or away from the checkpoint. At the very least, that might cut down on theft of electronics, jewelry, etc. Or maybe frequent random bag and person checks.

Inconvenient? Maybe so, but it's a small price to pay for safety and integrity in the workplace. It might at least limit the scope of the thefts. Certainly a TSO shouldn't be going home with extra watches, jewelry, small electronics. IF they've purchased these things in the sterile area, they should keep the receipts - hey, travellers are advised to do this when returning through customs.

You are the security expert. Am I supposed to believe that the only TSOs who steal are the ones who get caught? Are we just supposed to accept that this is part of travel today?

I really would like to see tapes reviewed in situations like this to see if there are other TSOs who saw what was going on and failed to report it. I think those TSOs should also be reprimanded, particularly because I would expect the TSOs to be at least as vigilant as the pax are supposed to be. If I, as a pax, am encouraged to report suspicious behavior, then I think trained TSOs should be expected to do the same as part of their job. Failure to do so is dereliction of duty and abetting a crime.

These guys were pulling in $700 a day, working together, working around other TSOs, giving the finger to the camera, counting their take on camera - and no one saw anything suspicious?

I am still thinking about how I want to respond to your earlier comment. My post above was just asking some simple questions... :rolleyes:
And what about screeners who have to bring their medicines/medical supplies with them? Some I know have to carry such items with them everywhere and keep it near their work stations.

Some employees are require to carry bags/briefcases for work related reasons - additional duties they may have.

Theist could go on and on..

Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your response doesn't really deserve a reply.... However, many people, including myself, need NEED a cell phone for family reasons. And where would the room for these lockers come from? Can employees not bring their own lunch? Many airports only have a food court on the sterile side, where microwaves are. And if someone doesn't bring their own lunch, how do they pay for food without their wallet?

I could go on. You need a better response.

I make sacrifices in the interests of security - why shouldn't you? Are you supposed/allowed to make personal calls while on the job? If not, then the phone can be stored in your locker.

You told us that there are huge changes coming at the end of this month. Lots of training going on. The airports are scrambling to find room to cram WBIs into checkpoints. If we ever get liquid scanners, TSA will find a way to jam them into the checkpoints too. So why is it suddenly so insurmountable to find a secure way to keep employee backpacks, etc outside the sterile area?

You are clearly an intelligent man. If your boss called you in and assigned you the task of screening TSA checkpoint (and baggage employees) to try to reduce the possibility of theft, how would you go about it? I know darn well you would come up with something if you were assigned the task. As you told us about the coming changes, some of us won't be happy but you think it will be for the better. Well, I feel the same way about theft at the checkpoints (and in the baggage area). I'd like to see some changes, and they'd probably be ones that not all TSOs would like, but if they made ME and other passengers feel safer from theft, then I think it would be good.

Worry about your lunch or where the microwave is? Don't you want to buy overpriced bottles of water and over-priced airport food? You know what? I don't either, but we all should do our part for security.

Well, we do all have to do our part for security. Perhaps TSO lockers should be outside the sterile area and TSOs themselves should pass a WTMD when going off shift or away from the checkpoint. At the very least, that might cut down on theft of electronics, jewelry, etc. Or maybe frequent random bag and person checks.

Inconvenient? Maybe so, but it's a small price to pay for safety and integrity in the workplace. It might at least limit the scope of the thefts. Certainly a TSO shouldn't be going home with extra watches, jewelry, small electronics. IF they've purchased these things in the sterile area, they should keep the receipts - hey, travellers are advised to do this when returning through customs.

You are the security expert. Am I supposed to believe that the only TSOs who steal are the ones who get caught? Are we just supposed to accept that this is part of travel today?

I really would like to see tapes reviewed in situations like this to see if there are other TSOs who saw what was going on and failed to report it. I think those TSOs should also be reprimanded, particularly because I would expect the TSOs to be at least as vigilant as the pax are supposed to be. If I, as a pax, am encouraged to report suspicious behavior, then I think trained TSOs should be expected to do the same as part of their job. Failure to do so is dereliction of duty and abetting a crime.

These guys were pulling in $700 a day, working together, working around other TSOs, giving the finger to the camera, counting their take on camera - and no one saw anything suspicious?
Ha I am not a security expert!

But answer me this: how do you screen employees who come to work for TSA but never enter the sterile area? Think many baggage locations. Access to passengers property, many airports have the baggage locations in the lobby (non-sterile area). How would they be screened throughout the day and when they leave? I've had friends come meet me at work when I've worked baggage and they can walk right up to me, talk and then leave without them ever having to go through security. So should ALL screening take place at the ENTRANCE to the airport (I could so easily pass something off to a friend then, and NONE of you would support screening people in the lobby of the airport - be honest about that).

And even baggage locations in the SIDA area, often you have access to that without having to go through the checkpoint: no WTMD, WBI, or anything. It's the physical realities of airports - they were NOT built with security in mind, and TSA fits in where ever it can.

And again, where would the space for public side lockers (ignoring the obvious flaw when you have public side baggage areas such as SAT) be found? SAT doesn't have the space. You would need them for more than TSA employees.

Saying everyone should be screened sounds good; but how does it effectively and realistically happen? I have not as yet ever heard a good answer to that.

Ha I am not a security expert!

But answer me this: how do you screen employees who come to work for TSA but never enter the sterile area? Think many baggage locations. Access to passengers property, many airports have the baggage locations in the lobby (non-sterile area). How would they be screened throughout the day and when they leave? I've had friends come meet me at work when I've worked baggage and they can walk right up to me, talk and then leave without them ever having to go through security. So should ALL screening take place at the ENTRANCE to the airport (I could so easily pass something off to a friend then, and NONE of you would support screening people in the lobby of the airport - be honest about that).

And even baggage locations in the SIDA area, often you have access to that without having to go through the checkpoint: no WTMD, WBI, or anything. It's the physical realities of airports - they were NOT built with security in mind, and TSA fits in where ever it can.

And again, where would the space for public side lockers (ignoring the obvious flaw when you have public side baggage areas such as SAT) be found? SAT doesn't have the space. You would need them for more than TSA employees.

Saying everyone should be screened sounds good; but how does it effectively and realistically happen? I have not as yet ever heard a good answer to that.

As I posted above, you're very eager to see this NOT happen. I have every confidence that you would find a way if you were tasked to do so. And I have just as much sympathy for the possible headaches and inconvenience of TSOs as the SOP has for me and other pax.

We're supposed to suck up every inconvenience in the name of security. If we object that a procedure is both inconvenient and pointless, we are reminded that we don't have a Constitutional right to fly, the courts and Congress allow it, go take a bus or a train. Well....if honest TSOs get treated like 'criminals' because somehow they can't seem to find an effective way to root out the 'bad apples', well, they don't have a Constitutional right, if they don't like the job, they can find another one, etc.

As far as different solutions for different airports: well, look at what you posted. Some have baggage screening in the lobby, some have it somewhere else. Guess what? I never know what to expect from one airport to the next either. TSA is finding the means to install WBIs and booths at every airport. I'm quite sure it is presenting some real challenges, but TSA is up to the task. I think TSA is equally capable of finding workable solution(s) for screening its employees - if it so desired.
The real issue here seems to be that TSA employees apparently are not willing to suffer some inconvenience as the price of working in a high security occupation. Guess what? When I worked in a dark area, it was inconvenient as all get-out. But it was part of the job - if I had found it too inconvenient, I was free to leave. Or possibly...work with management to find a way to satisfy their criteria for safety and security without unduly inconveniencing myself.

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Like how those Background Checks are working.

If somebody has NO past history of theft, how would the background check do any good?

Not defending the dumbass TSO, just saying.

It depends on the scope of the background investigation. The typical screener just gets a criminal background check - sometimes months after being on the job. A single scope background investigation, used for people with TS and above clearances, deals with lifestlye issues, finances, foreign travel, etc, in order to make a determination about the person's worthiness to hold a clearance.

This crud was into theft, bribery, and extortion. At EWR, it reads as if it were an organized crime-type operation.

If I had to guess, I would say that this guy did his thing at the checkpoint after customs for connections. He exploited our foreign guests at a time of extreme vulnerability: intimidated, jetlagged, language barrier, already stressed by customs and integration.

...And, this the perfect kind of guy whom you could bribe to get things onto planes.

If anyone comes up with a realistic solution how to effectively screen all airport employees who come and go hourly, I'll listen.

make all the TSO's work nude:p

Hold on a minute here guys...

You are all talking about making a TSO pass through screening in order to perform his job.

We've ALL spent pages singing the praises fo the pilot who refused screening to do his job, saying why should he have to do this in order to his job.

Now we want to do the complete opposite for TSOs?

I have absolutely zero love for the TSA. I hope they're all unemployed tomorrow, and the majority of them are likely criminals. (I do exclude our local FT representatives from this blanket statement). That said, we need to be consistent in our approach.

Making the TSOs go through screening to work but saying that the same thing for a pilot is wrong is a double standard.

We're better than that.

Obviously nobody learns from past experiences at the same airport. The fact that there is no end to this series of thefts shows that TSA is an incompetent agency unwilling or couldn't care less about stemming this cancer. What's paramount is giving a pseudo sense of safety to the flying public.

Obviously nobody learns from past experiences at the same airport. The fact that there is no end to this series of thefts shows that TSA is an incompetent agency unwilling or couldn't care less about stemming this cancer. What's paramount is giving a pseudo sense of safety to the flying public.

and making an additional $700 a day...

Making the TSOs go through screening to work but saying that the same thing for a pilot is wrong is a double standard.

We're better than that.

Obviously you are arguing half of the argument. Most likely the pilots took offense because the TSOs are excluded but probably are willing to conform to the same rules if they also apply to the former. Correction officers reporting to duty go through security. Apply one standard to all.

It is not that difficult, but it is inconvenient.


Dress for work at home.

Only take your wallet and personal identification into the sterile area. No cell phone.

If lockers can be provided in non-sterile area, fine. If not, leave it in the car.

Walk through the WTMD or AIT like everybody else each time you enter the sterile area. Put your wallet on the belt, like everybody else.

Teat all terminal employees the same way.


Do not tell me how much trouble this is. I do it every day. I am not allowed to have a cell phone at work. I live with it. The women have to carry special clear plastic purses. Even my notebook is subject to inspection and is inspected periodically. Employees do not take in backpacks unless they are subject to search coming and going.

And what kind of high security, super secret places do I work in? Printing plants. You know, the kind that print advertising for newspapers. And lottery tickets. And coupons.

So get over it. You are not that special. Suck it up and live like the rest of us.

Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your response doesn't really deserve a reply.... However, many people, including myself, need NEED a cell phone for family reasons. And where would the room for these lockers come from? Can employees not bring their own lunch? Many airports only have a food court on the sterile side, where microwaves are. And if someone doesn't bring their own lunch, how do they pay for food without their wallet?

I could go on. You need a better response.

I'm not allowed to use my cell phone for any personal calls while I am working. I am allowed to use it on a break but have to go outside the building to do so.

You can stick a few dollars in your pocket.

TSA employees get a free pass on being screened before, during, and after work. The reason that the scumbags "in charge" of TSA tout is that they had a background check and are therefore beyond reproach.

Here's yet another "isolated incident" that shows why these lying scumbags ought to be caned and deported and that all TSA employees should be screened every time they enter or depart landside or any area that passengers are not permitted such as the baggage area.

TSA: a national disgrace.

spiff the problem is who the hell is going to do the screening? if they are allowed to "police" themselves then nothing will change. tsa needs to simply go away. pre 9/11 screening was fine...

And this, folks, is what can happen when the screener tries to separate you from your possessions. Keep all articles in sight. Even if you have to put up a stink to do so.


So just how much time/money would this cost?

That hasn't exactly stopped the TSA as it concerns passenger screening, now has it? Money is no object. Time cost to passengers is no object.

I'm jes' sayin'.

And what about screeners who have to bring their medicines/medical supplies with them? Some I know have to carry such items with them everywhere and keep it near their work stations.

Some employees are require to carry bags/briefcases for work related reasons - additional duties they may have.

Theist could go on and on..

You mean like the passengers that have had their medicines/medical supplies confiscated or questioned?

Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your response doesn't really deserve a reply.... However, many people, including myself, need NEED a cell phone for family reasons. And where would the room for these lockers come from? Can employees not bring their own lunch? Many airports only have a food court on the sterile side, where microwaves are. And if someone doesn't bring their own lunch, how do they pay for food without their wallet?

I could go on. You need a better response.

you dont like his response? you "need" nothing at work. if the security of our great nation rests in your hands then pull up the boot straps and get in there and "fight". fight that great battle on shoe bombs and water bottles. no need for lunch. talk to your family when you get home. sacrifice. why wouldnt you want to sacrifce your own comfort for our safety?:rolleyes:

does the term 'hoisted on their own petard' spring to anyones mind?

Well, we do all have to do our part for security. Perhaps TSO lockers should be outside the sterile area and TSOs themselves should pass a WTMD when going off shift or away from the checkpoint. At the very least, that might cut down on theft of electronics, jewelry, etc. Or maybe frequent random bag and person checks.

If the WBI is perfectly safe and acceptable for passengers to go through multiple times a week, then the TSA employees should be put through it too.

If somebody has NO past history of theft, how would the background check do any good?

Not defending the dumbass TSO, just saying.

TSA claims their employees don't need 100% screening because they have been vetted by background checks.

I agree that a background check does nothing to establish future behavior so I think TSA is wrong by not requiring 100% screening of its employees and everyone else who enters the sterile area.

Can't have it both ways.

Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your response doesn't really deserve a reply.... However, many people, including myself, need NEED a cell phone for family reasons. And where would the room for these lockers come from? Can employees not bring their own lunch? Many airports only have a food court on the sterile side, where microwaves are. And if someone doesn't bring their own lunch, how do they pay for food without their wallet?

I could go on. You need a better response.

Really? You "NEED" a cell phone? How many true emergency calls do you get every day?

What do you think people did 15 or 20 years ago when cell phones were rare to unheard of? People didn't call their loved ones at work except for true emergencies, and then everyone cooperated in locating you to take that emergency call. It was a big dieal. People shopped without being "in touch". If there was a true emergency, one called the store and had his loved one paged. Ditto, dining out. Ditto, driving. Ditto, walking down the street.

Ubiquity isn't synonymous with necessity.


~~ Irish

Our bags our in the breakroom all day. I don't know about other airports, but our SCC (screening control center) watches us just about, if not more, than passengers. Besides, our union would never allow it.

Another reason why unions should not be permitted for employees who are engage in airport screening functions, contract or government,

Who would screen the employees? According to this Tory multiple employees were involved. And it was simply cash- x-rays would not find it, WTMD would not find it, ETP would not find it, doubtful a pat-down would not find it (a few bills run underneath the shirt tucked underneath the waistband would hide it from any pat-down).

The only thing to do in this situation is to inventory anyone who comes through (heck, all airline employees - I could do this in conjunction with a fast-food employee and pass the cash off to them) - and I mean inventory EVERY employee. How long would that take? Dump your wallet? Heck, take a hundred dollar bill, fold it, and stick it into a slot meant to carry a credit card, and it's obvious more than a dump of everything brought in by employees is needed.

So just how much time/money would this cost? And how do you ensure the person searching me isn't receiving part of what I steal?

The idea to search everyone might work well when you have a limited amount of people, but with hundreds and even thousands of people coming and going every few hours, it just won't work. Oh, you may want it to work, but we all know it will not, even if you don't admit it.

If anyone comes up with a realistic solution how to effectively screen all airport employees who come and go hourly, I'll listen.

Your making it sound much harder than it needs to be.

No personal items past the TDC. None. Uniform and ID, nothing else. All personal effect would have to be stored on the landside of the airport.

Before exiting the checkpoint a full body patdown, AIT or both.

Your making it sound much harder than it needs to be.

No personal items past the TDC. None. Uniform and ID, nothing else. All personal effect would have to be stored on the landside of the airport.

Before exiting the checkpoint a full body patdown, AIT or both.

Most airports have stores and restaurants outside the so-called sterile area. If a TSA employee wishes to purchase a beverage they can do so outside the security checkpoint and consume it there.

After all, if I can't bring a bottle of water that I purchased 15 feet from the security line at 3 times its non-airport price through, why should they?

Hold on a minute here guys...

You are all talking about making a TSO pass through screening in order to perform his job.

We've ALL spent pages singing the praises fo the pilot who refused screening to do his job, saying why should he have to do this in order to his job.

Now we want to do the complete opposite for TSOs?

I have absolutely zero love for the TSA. I hope they're all unemployed tomorrow, and the majority of them are likely criminals. (I do exclude our local FT representatives from this blanket statement). That said, we need to be consistent in our approach.

Making the TSOs go through screening to work but saying that the same thing for a pilot is wrong is a double standard.

We're better than that.

Two complete different concepts. The pilot has control of the airplane and can do anything with it.

The screeners have opportunity to steal, introduce contraband and other negative actions but do not have control of the airplane.

Screeners should be screened as should everyone else who works at the airport. I would go so far as to screen cabin crew exactly like passengers.

Your making it sound much harder than it needs to be.

No personal items past the TDC. None. Uniform and ID, nothing else. All personal effect would have to be stored on the landside of the airport.

Before exiting the checkpoint a full body patdown, AIT or both.

Almost full agreement over here.

If this is the standard used, then (to respond to a previous query by SATTSO), the need to conduct a personal inventory is dramatically reduced. You only need to inventory exceptions to the rule; so, if you absolutely need a cellphone, or medical supplies, or whatever else, that's the only paperwork you need to complete and check for, both entering and leaving the workplace.

And it's not that hard to do. I've visited plenty of companies where the standard above is used, and used successfully every day.

Almost full agreement over here.

If this is the standard used, then (to respond to a previous query by SATTSO), the need to conduct a personal inventory is dramatically reduced. You only need to inventory exceptions to the rule; so, if you absolutely need a cellphone, or medical supplies, or whatever else, that's the only paperwork you need to complete and check for, both entering and leaving the workplace.

And it's not that hard to do. I've visited plenty of companies where the standard above is used, and used successfully every day.

Thanks, I have a hard time understanding the reluctance of TSA to hold its people accountable to similar standards as applied to the flying public.

I could accept your suggested exceptions as long as strong controls were in place.

And it's not that hard to do. I've visited plenty of companies where the standard above is used, and used successfully every day.

^^

Who would screen the employees? According to this Tory multiple employees were involved. And it was simply cash- x-rays would not find it, WTMD would not find it, ETP would not find it, doubtful a pat-down would not find it (a few bills run underneath the shirt tucked underneath the waistband would hide it from any pat-down).

The only thing to do in this situation is to inventory anyone who comes through (heck, all airline employees - I could do this in conjunction with a fast-food employee and pass the cash off to them) - and I mean inventory EVERY employee. How long would that take? Dump your wallet? Heck, take a hundred dollar bill, fold it, and stick it into a slot meant to carry a credit card, and it's obvious more than a dump of everything brought in by employees is needed.

So just how much time/money would this cost? And how do you ensure the person searching me isn't receiving part of what I steal?

The idea to search everyone might work well when you have a limited amount of people, but with hundreds and even thousands of people coming and going every few hours, it just won't work. Oh, you may want it to work, but we all know it will not, even if you don't admit it.

If anyone comes up with a realistic solution how to effectively screen all airport employees who come and go hourly, I'll listen.You make some good points.

Stolen cash is easy for criminals to hide. The TSA makes it much easier to steal cash by asking people to take their wallets out of their pockets. The most obvious solution is to end the use of the WBI. With so many TSA employees trying to steal passengers' money, we should not be asked to take everything out of our pockets to go in some machine. The TSA has shown itself to be too untrustworthy.

spiff the problem is who the hell is going to do the screening? if they are allowed to "police" themselves then nothing will change. tsa needs to simply go away. pre 9/11 screening was fine...

No argument there.

However until that glorious day comes, the clerks need to be treated exactly like passengers are treated.

While screening is not the worst idea in the world, it would not have mattered at all in this case.

They were taking a few hundred dollars a day from people, which papers are saying was in $100 bills. You are talking finishing the shift with 4 to 7 extra bills from when you started, easily hidden or passed along to another accomplice not part of the TSA (like a store employee bringing supplies in and out).

The stories say there was no attempt to even hide it. They split the money in front of the cameras, they joked about it with their bosses, etc. They just didn't care, and if one guy didn't cut a deal and rat out the other, they would probably still be doing it.

According to the complaint, this was going on for over a year.

CNN has added some details to the story here

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/20/new.jersey.airport.theft/

including things like



He was expected to turn himself in Tuesday morning, but was arrested Tuesday night at Newark's Penn Station
Beginning in August 2009, TSA and the Port Authority Police Department of New York and New Jersey "received numerous complaints from passengers
Arato's colleague, identified in the complaint as the "co-schemer," began cooperating with authorities in September 2010 and told police he has been stealing from passengers at the checkpoint since about October 2009
On August 31, Arato stole $400 from a female passenger of Indian descent by conducting a search of her bag, according to the complaint. The woman noticed the money missing after passing through the checkpoint, and approached a senior special agent with the Office of the Inspector General to report it
Both Arato and the colleague are shown stealing money from passengers on video surveillance
Arato instructed the co-schemer to go to the airport gate where the passenger was scheduled to depart to make sure that the passenger departed the airport without noticing that their money was missing


I'm really sorry, but if you have one years worth of complaints at the same checkpoint, and you do nothing about it, there's something really wrong with your agency.

TSOs just need to show up 3 hours early for work. If the screening delays that further, just show up earlier!

TSOs just need to show up 3 hours early for work. If the screening delays that further, just show up earlier!

And if you do not want to do this, you do not have to an inherent right to work in an airport. Work or on train or drive a cab. You will just need to find somewhere else to go to work.

While screening is not the worst idea in the world, it would not have mattered at all in this case.

They were taking a few hundred dollars a day from people, which papers are saying was in $100 bills. You are talking finishing the shift with 4 to 7 extra bills from when you started, easily hidden or passed along to another accomplice not part of the TSA (like a store employee bringing supplies in and out).

The stories say there was no attempt to even hide it. They split the money in front of the cameras, they joked about it with their bosses, etc. They just didn't care, and if one guy didn't cut a deal and rat out the other, they would probably still be doing it.

According to the complaint, this was going on for over a year.

CNN has added some details to the story here

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/20/new.jersey.airport.theft/

including things like



He was expected to turn himself in Tuesday morning, but was arrested Tuesday night at Newark's Penn Station
Beginning in August 2009, TSA and the Port Authority Police Department of New York and New Jersey "received numerous complaints from passengers
Arato's colleague, identified in the complaint as the "co-schemer," began cooperating with authorities in September 2010 and told police he has been stealing from passengers at the checkpoint since about October 2009
On August 31, Arato stole $400 from a female passenger of Indian descent by conducting a search of her bag, according to the complaint. The woman noticed the money missing after passing through the checkpoint, and approached a senior special agent with the Office of the Inspector General to report it
Both Arato and the colleague are shown stealing money from passengers on video surveillance
Arato instructed the co-schemer to go to the airport gate where the passenger was scheduled to depart to make sure that the passenger departed the airport without noticing that their money was missing


I'm really sorry, but if you have one years worth of complaints at the same checkpoint, and you do nothing about it, there's something really wrong with your agency.

Seems to me we read about that incident, didn't we?

OTOH, she approached "a senior special agent with the Office of the Inspector General to report it"?

That sounds strange. Was someone standing around holding a sign reading "Senior Special Agent - Office of the Inspector General". Something got lost in translation there.

While screening is not the worst idea in the world, it would not have mattered at all in this case.

They were taking a few hundred dollars a day from people, which papers are saying was in $100 bills. You are talking finishing the shift with 4 to 7 extra bills from when you started, easily hidden or passed along to another accomplice not part of the TSA (like a store employee bringing supplies in and out).

The stories say there was no attempt to even hide it. They split the money in front of the cameras, they joked about it with their bosses, etc. They just didn't care, and if one guy didn't cut a deal and rat out the other, they would probably still be doing it.

According to the complaint, this was going on for over a year.

CNN has added some details to the story here

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/20/new.jersey.airport.theft/

including things like



He was expected to turn himself in Tuesday morning, but was arrested Tuesday night at Newark's Penn Station
Beginning in August 2009, TSA and the Port Authority Police Department of New York and New Jersey "received numerous complaints from passengers
Arato's colleague, identified in the complaint as the "co-schemer," began cooperating with authorities in September 2010 and told police he has been stealing from passengers at the checkpoint since about October 2009
On August 31, Arato stole $400 from a female passenger of Indian descent by conducting a search of her bag, according to the complaint. The woman noticed the money missing after passing through the checkpoint, and approached a senior special agent with the Office of the Inspector General to report it
Both Arato and the colleague are shown stealing money from passengers on video surveillance
Arato instructed the co-schemer to go to the airport gate where the passenger was scheduled to depart to make sure that the passenger departed the airport without noticing that their money was missing


I'm really sorry, but if you have one years worth of complaints at the same checkpoint, and you do nothing about it, there's something really wrong with your agency.

Why would a TSA screener need a wallet full of money. Limit them to say a single $20 bill at the start of their day. If they have more than the daily limit at the end of the day then arrest them. Everything else they may have would have to remain outside the checkpoint or their work area in unsecured part of the airport.

This is not that hard to implement and would solve several problems.

Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your response doesn't really deserve a reply.... However, many people, including myself, need NEED a cell phone for family reasons. And where would the room for these lockers come from? Can employees not bring their own lunch? Many airports only have a food court on the sterile side, where microwaves are. And if someone doesn't bring their own lunch, how do they pay for food without their wallet?

I could go on. You need a better response.


Agree 1000 now slam me also

Why would a TSA screener need a wallet full of money.

Have you ever seen some of them at the food counters? :p

Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your response doesn't really deserve a reply.... However, many people, including myself, need NEED a cell phone for family reasons. And where would the room for these lockers come from? Can employees not bring their own lunch? Many airports only have a food court on the sterile side, where microwaves are. And if someone doesn't bring their own lunch, how do they pay for food without their wallet?

I could go on. You need a better response.

I don't think you understand very much about actual security, or even real life (tm).

Many government employees are in fact not allowed to bring cell phones to work. They forbidden, for example, in facilities where there is classified material. It leads to the rather funny situation that some of the world's top researchers in RF systems don't bother to own one of the world's most basic and ubiquitous wireless communication devices.

Many workplaces don't have microwave ovens - or any food at all - available on site. Yet somehow, US businesses and their employees seem to survive just fine. I find it hard to believe that packing a sandwich and juice box is beyond the capability of someone who is supposed to be a highly skilled security professional.

The TSA doesn't take sensible security precautions against theft, because it's not a serious security organization - it's a political toy. If it were, it would require that any TSO who comes in contact with passengers keep all of their belongings - including wallet and cell phone (apart from a small clear ziptop bag containing necessary medication or sanitary items) in a locker outside the sterile area and be subject to a through patdown and/or x-ray search any time they leave their duties at the checkpoint and sterile area.

This might or might not entirely prevent theft - indeed, it is to some extent security theater. But would provide some protection against theft and give a strong message to both potential thieves and passengers

Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your response doesn't really deserve a reply.... However, many people, including myself, need NEED a cell phone for family reasons. And where would the room for these lockers come from? Can employees not bring their own lunch? Many airports only have a food court on the sterile side, where microwaves are. And if someone doesn't bring their own lunch, how do they pay for food without their wallet?

I could go on. You need a better response.

So tell us, how do you think screening clerks should be screened prior to, and at the end of their shift? Or do you think they should be exempt?

If all you are going to do is criticize us, then there is no need for a reply.

And it's not that hard to do. I've visited plenty of companies where the standard above is used, and used successfully every day.

I work in secure facilities all the time, which means I can't have my phone, or a bag or really anything other than car keys and a wallet with me, and they inspect those.

It's really not that hard.

So tell us, how do you think screening clerks should be screened prior to, and at the end of their shift? Or do you think they should be exempt?

If all you are going to do is criticize us, then there is no need for a reply.

it's ssi, we could tell you but then we'd have to kill you, lol.

i can't use a cell phone at work either. there are procedures in place for a loved one to call me in the event of an emergency. solved.

Who would screen the employees? According to this Tory multiple employees were involved. And it was simply cash- x-rays would not find it, WTMD would not find it, ETP would not find it, doubtful a pat-down would not find it (a few bills run underneath the shirt tucked underneath the waistband would hide it from any pat-down).

The only thing to do in this situation is to inventory anyone who comes through (heck, all airline employees - I could do this in conjunction with a fast-food employee and pass the cash off to them) - and I mean inventory EVERY employee. How long would that take? Dump your wallet? Heck, take a hundred dollar bill, fold it, and stick it into a slot meant to carry a credit card, and it's obvious more than a dump of everything brought in by employees is needed.

So just how much time/money would this cost? And how do you ensure the person searching me isn't receiving part of what I steal?

The idea to search everyone might work well when you have a limited amount of people, but with hundreds and even thousands of people coming and going every few hours, it just won't work. Oh, you may want it to work, but we all know it will not, even if you don't admit it.

If anyone comes up with a realistic solution how to effectively screen all airport employees who come and go hourly, I'll listen.Well, you realize the same argument can be made against TSA.

"So just how much time/money would this cost?"

"And how do you ensure the person searching me isn't a terrorist himself?"

"The idea to search everyone might work well when you have a limited amount of people, but with hundreds and even thousands of people coming and going every few hours, it just won't work. Oh, you may want it to work, but we all know it will not, even if you don't admit it."

When I worked in aerospace and carried a security clearance, the FBI managed to run a pretty effective background check to ensure that none of us were Soviet spies. The system broke down so seldom that it made international news (and spawned motion pictures) on the very, very, very rare occasions that it did.

Our bags our in the breakroom all day. I don't know about other airports, but our SCC (screening control center) watches us just about, if not more, than passengers. Besides, our union would never allow it.

What have you all got to hide? What are you worried about? If you've done nothing wrong, you shouldn't worry.

Isn't that essentially what TSA tells passengers about having their rights violated every day? It seems to me that what's good for the goose should be good for the gander... unless y'all really do think that you're the uber American type of folks that some screening clerks seem to envision in their dreams.

Many, many years ago, I worked in the casino count room at Caesars Palace. We were required to wear coveralls over our clothes. These had no pockets. We were on camera constantly. If we had to use the restroom, we were wanded when leaving and when arriving back. Security guards watched our every move when we were in the count room. All of our personal belongings were locked up outside the count room. Now, would it have been possible to steal? Probably, but it would have been very risky and difficult.

The TSA wants us to "get over" our needs for safely of our "stuff" and want us to be viewed nude in order to enter the "sterile" area. Maybe they need to "get over" their need to carry their "stuff".

BTW - I just told a coworker about this Newark theft ring and he told me that a neighbor of his from China flew out of Newark about 6 months ago. It was a husband and wife. The husband was carrying $10K in cash and the wife had $1800. Apparently, the TSA "confiscated" the $1800 because the $10K is all that is allowed for a "couple". I thought that the limit was for each individual. Is that true? And why would the TSA confiscate it. Shouldn't it be a customs issue, not a TSA issue? He said that he asked the husband what happened to the money and he said that he did not know.

Many, many years ago, I worked in the casino count room at Caesars Palace. We were required to wear coveralls over our clothes. These had no pockets. We were on camera constantly. If we had to use the restroom, we were wanded when leaving and when arriving back. Security guards watched our every move when we were in the count room. All of our personal belongings were locked up outside the count room. Now, would it have been possible to steal? Probably, but it would have been very risky and difficult.

The TSA wants us to "get over" our needs for safely of our "stuff" and want us to be viewed nude in order to enter the "sterile" area. Maybe they need to "get over" their need to carry their "stuff".

BTW - I just told a coworker about this Newark theft ring and he told me that a neighbor of his from China flew out of Newark about 6 months ago. It was a husband and wife. The husband was carrying $10K in cash and the wife had $1800. Apparently, the TSA "confiscated" the $1800 because the $10K is all that is allowed for a "couple". I thought that the limit was for each individual. Is that true? And why would the TSA confiscate it. Shouldn't it be a customs issue, not a TSA issue? He said that he asked the husband what happened to the money and he said that he did not know.

They can't confiscate cash. The issue is, if I'm not mistaken, that $10k+ needs to be declared. There's no limit to how much cash you can bring, etc.

10,001$ or 100,001$...doesn't matter as long as it's declared. And no more than 10K per couple? what a bunch of morons.

The required Perp Walk Video is available off this page

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/new_jersey/tsa-supervisor-accused-of-stealing-from-travelers-ncx-20101020

In case anybody recognizes him.

Hold on a minute here guys...

You are all talking about making a TSO pass through screening in order to perform his job.

We've ALL spent pages singing the praises fo the pilot who refused screening to do his job, saying why should he have to do this in order to his job.

Now we want to do the complete opposite for TSOs?

I have absolutely zero love for the TSA. I hope they're all unemployed tomorrow, and the majority of them are likely criminals. (I do exclude our local FT representatives from this blanket statement). That said, we need to be consistent in our approach.

Making the TSOs go through screening to work but saying that the same thing for a pilot is wrong is a double standard.

We're better than that.

I don't believe Michael wanted to bypass security completely; he opted out of the Nude-O-Scope and refused the Genital Grope™.




It is not that difficult, but it is inconvenient.


Dress for work at home.

Only take your wallet and personal identification into the sterile area. No cell phone.

If lockers can be provided in non-sterile area, fine. If not, leave it in the car.

Walk through the WTMD or AIT like everybody else each time you enter the sterile area. Put your wallet on the belt, like everybody else.

Teat all terminal employees the same way.


Do not tell me how much trouble this is. I do it every day. I am not allowed to have a cell phone at work. I live with it. The women have to carry special clear plastic purses. Even my notebook is subject to inspection and is inspected periodically. Employees do not take in backpacks unless they are subject to search coming and going.

And what kind of high security, super secret places do I work in? Printing plants. You know, the kind that print advertising for newspapers. And lottery tickets. And coupons.

So get over it. You are not that special. Suck it up and live like the rest of us.


Many, many years ago, I worked in the casino count room at Caesars Palace. We were required to wear coveralls over our clothes. These had no pockets. We were on camera constantly. If we had to use the restroom, we were wanded when leaving and when arriving back. Security guards watched our every move when we were in the count room. All of our personal belongings were locked up outside the count room. Now, would it have been possible to steal? Probably, but it would have been very risky and difficult.


Buh, buh, but those are real-world private sector examples. Don't you know that doesn't apply to the TSA that wants administrative convenience for its screening clerks? :rolleyes:

Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your response doesn't really deserve a reply.... However, many people, including myself, need NEED a cell phone for family reasons. And where would the room for these lockers come from? Can employees not bring their own lunch? Many airports only have a food court on the sterile side, where microwaves are. And if someone doesn't bring their own lunch, how do they pay for food without their wallet?

I could go on. You need a better response.

Spent most of my work life in automotive so I know a bit about unions and security.

First all uniforms have no pockets. That is my idea.

You need to carry meds, it is called a Lord & Tayor clear small plastic bag.

No one needs a cell phone unless this is authorized, that is why there is a central phone for emergencies, incoming and outgoing.

I have had my bags hand searched at many companies, this is routine for theft, and I have been made to wear badges that change color if you go outside after the badge is issued. I have also had to leave my DL with the security guard to gain access to certain buildings.

Hourly union employess can be searched when leaving the premises and the unions signed on for this at many companies due to theft. And there is a difference between take off your coat and co#pping a ####.

I personally know government employess that have their phones tapped at all times. Yes, they are higher up the food chain than TSA.

Most people who work with restrictions manage to feed themselves and have been known to buy a microwave for their group, also coffee pots, and rotate cleaning. Some people do not get to go out to lunch or order delivery of food (even union shops) without management approval.

As far as your locker problems, I would think that would be between you and your union. However, if they can build an airport I think they build a locker and break room.

I know people that have not been allowed to use restrooms without an escort at Toyota facilities in Michigan so do not cry to me that restrictions on your personal issues are a big deal.

Stealing from people is not acceptable and that is the bottom line. If the FBI can install people in assembly plants they should also monitor government employees.

Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your response doesn't really deserve a reply.... However, many people, including myself, need NEED a cell phone for family reasons. And where would the room for these lockers come from? Can employees not bring their own lunch? Many airports only have a food court on the sterile side, where microwaves are. And if someone doesn't bring their own lunch, how do they pay for food without their wallet?

I could go on. You need a better response.

The response could be "Those are the rules! Do you want to work today?"

I all boils down to this:

When asked to do what we have to do every time we get on a plane, or many times when we go to work, the TSO's cry foul, say that they are special, and insist on being treated different than the rest of the folks as they are protecting us from terrorists and the only worry about our safety, you know.

Generally speaking and no direct implication intended to a specific poster: Some of you are showing yourselves to be the arrogant pseudo-elitists that we meet at the airport. You have developed an over-inflated sense of your own self worth and it shows. Here and at the airport.

Please do not wonder why frequent travelers do not like the TSA. You would not like yourselves either if you were on our side of fence.

The jewelry making and precious metals refining industries set a good example of extremely tight anti-theft measures. By comparison, TSA invites casual theft at its check points.

Here's what I'm surprised I haven't read from anyone yet:

We have to make sure that our airplanes are safe. Stealing from our belongings make the TSA workers more able to effectively screen our stuff to make sure we don't bring anything onto the plane that would be bad. Would you rather keep your money and belongings, or have your plane blow up? Just stop worrying about your petty things. Your lives and the lives of thousands are much more important! I can't believe people are complaining about this. As proven over the past few years, stealing things works. There has not been a successful attack on a plane since the stealing began.

The statement above is exactly equivalent to all of the statements I've been reading about body-scanners, shoe carnival, etc. Stealing items is just as effective as keeping bad things off the plane as those things.

Here's what I'm surprised I haven't read from anyone yet:

We have to make sure that our airplanes are safe. Stealing from our belongings make the TSA workers more able to effectively screen our stuff to make sure we don't bring anything onto the plane that would be bad. Would you rather keep your money and belongings, or have your plane blow up? Just stop worrying about your petty things. Your lives and the lives of thousands are much more important! I can't believe people are complaining about this. As proven over the past few years, stealing things works. There has not been a successful attack on a plane since the stealing began.

The statement above is exactly equivalent to all of the statements I've been reading about body-scanners, shoe carnival, etc. Stealing items is just as effective as keeping bad things off the plane as those things.

Stealing from bags also makes it easier for screeners, who are unscreened, to put items in bags. ;)

And what about screeners who have to bring their medicines/medical supplies with them? Some I know have to carry such items with them everywhere and keep it near their work stations.

Some employees are require to carry bags/briefcases for work related reasons - additional duties they may have.

This could go on and on..

Just like all of the misconduct by TSA employees.

As I posted above, you're very eager to see this NOT happen. I have every confidence that you would find a way if you were tasked to do so. And I have just as much sympathy for the possible headaches and inconvenience of TSOs as the SOP has for me and other pax.

We're supposed to suck up every inconvenience in the name of security. If we object that a procedure is both inconvenient and pointless, we are reminded that we don't have a Constitutional right to fly, the courts and Congress allow it, go take a bus or a train. Well....if honest TSOs get treated like 'criminals' because somehow they can't seem to find an effective way to root out the 'bad apples', well, they don't have a Constitutional right, if they don't like the job, they can find another one, etc.

......

The real issue here seems to be that TSA employees apparently are not willing to suffer some inconvenience as the price of working in a high security occupation. Guess what? When I worked in a dark area, it was inconvenient as all get-out. But it was part of the job - if I had found it too inconvenient, I was free to leave. Or possibly...work with management to find a way to satisfy their criteria for safety and security without unduly inconveniencing myself.

+1

Maybe they should update their traveling with large amounts of cash blog post to include "so the officer can take a few $100 bills from you" as to why they question you

http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/04/traveling-with-large-amounts-of-cash.html

These Newark based TSA's make the rest of the country's agents look like scum of the earth, hope they fire this B@st@rd and his supervisor for not taking this security job seriously.. I feel safe walking with $100 bills pasted to my shirt than putting anything valueble for the scumbags to steal from my bags. It's damn joke in Newark... he should have been fired on the spot... no question's if's or but's... And this is not an isolated incident.. we need camera's everywhere.. and they need to be checked as well.. let see how quickly these thefts will stop... it's a damn disgrace...

:mad:

I think it was mentioned up thread but how could these activities go on for any length of time without co-workers not catching on?

I think all TSA employees at this airport should be put on the box and questioned intensely if they had any knowledge about this. Any who are shown to have been in the know should also be charged.

Time to put TSA thieves and those who look the other way in jail for an extended vacation.

These Newark based TSA's make the rest of the country's agents look like scum of the earth, hope they fire this B@st@rd and his supervisor for not taking this security job seriously.. I feel safe walking with $100 bills pasted to my shirt than putting anything valueble for the scumbags to steal from my bags. It's damn joke in Newark... he should have been fired on the spot... no question's if's or but's... And this is not an isolated incident.. we need camera's everywhere.. and they need to be checked as well.. let see how quickly these thefts will stop... it's a damn disgrace...

:mad:

This is not a Newark problem. This has to do with the hiring practices at the TSA as a whole, and the entitlement attitude that is passed down from executive management vis-a-vis everything that TSA does.

I think it was mentioned up thread but how could these activities go on for any length of time without co-workers not catching on?

I think all TSA employees at this airport should be put on the box and questioned intensely if they had any knowledge about this. Any who are shown to have been in the know should also be charged.

Time to put TSA thieves and those who look the other way in jail for an extended vacation.
You would think that the TSA would try to eliminate criminals from among their ranks so the public won't think they are all thieves. Even the TSA posters on this thread don't seem be able to make suggestions about how to prevent their colleagues from stealing from passengers.

With tongue firmly in cheek I'd like to say I think you've got it all wrong about this man.

IMO he is exactly the kind of screener that needs to be employed by the TSA. Rather than just blindly following the SOP and spouting the party line, he carefully identified a weakness in the system and showed how that could be exploited.

If his colleagues did the same you might actually end up with security rather than the sham of today

I thought that the limit was for each individual. Is that true?

It's $10K per transaction or series of structured transactions.

One person carrying $10K or more would trigger the reporting requirement. One person splitting the $10K with his partner for the purpose of transporting it would not avoid the reporting requirement.

And why would the TSA confiscate it.

Because they're thieves.

Because they're thieves.

Several are, but in this case I think it was CBP, not TSA that confiscaed the cash.

Several are, but in this case I think it was CBP, not TSA that confiscaed the cash.

Regardless of who "confiscated" the cash, its still theft, and neither the CBP or TSA has any right to just take it.

I all boils down to this:

When asked to do what we have to do every time we get on a plane, or many times when we go to work, the TSO's cry foul, say that they are special, and insist on being treated different than the rest of the folks as they are protecting us from terrorists and the only worry about our safety, you know.

Generally speaking and no direct implication intended to a specific poster: Some of you are showing yourselves to be the arrogant pseudo-elitists that we meet at the airport. You have developed an over-inflated sense of your own self worth and it shows. Here and at the airport.

Please do not wonder why frequent travelers do not like the TSA. You would not like yourselves either if you were on our side of fence.

I think there are many TSOs that don't want the screening for whatever their reasons, but I am good with it. If I have to screen in order to come to work (and leave), I have no problem with it at all. The only thing I point out is the cost and staffing factor that will be encountered. It will require a complete rebuild on many checkpoints to house the additional staffing required. This also applies to screening the other non-TSA folks that are cleared to use access doors. In some cases, you would have to staff a checkpoint area away from the actual terminal for vendors, etc. The folks in the bagrooms would have to be screened as well, and then you would have to have 24 hour monitoring or staffing to insure you have someone that can screen all entering people at all times. You would also run into the minor (seriously, it is a minor concern, but someone else may point it out) concern about how do we screen the first people into the checkpoint areas at the beginning of the day. This has a simple fix, TSO A enters and screens TSO B as they enter, then TSO A exits and is screened in by TSO B, or there could be a 24 hours staffing requirement that keeps 2 TSOs on the checkpoint at all times just for this reason and to also monitor equipment.

That was a really long winded way of saying I have no problem with being screened at work (entering exiting).:D

I think there are many TSOs that don't want the screening for whatever their reasons, but I am good with it. If I have to screen in order to come to work (and leave), I have no problem with it at all.

Glad to hear that! :)^


The only thing I point out is the cost and staffing factor that will be encountered. It will require a complete rebuild on many checkpoints to house the additional staffing required.

According to the TSA's own spokespeople, employment numbers have gone from 50,000 to over 60,000 in the past year. For 2011 the DHS has requested an increase of funding to $8.2 billion (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/budget_bib_fy2011.pdf) for TSA alone.

$8.2,000,000,000 :eek:

The TSA has been doing "show of force" operations at train stations, bus terminals, Interstate highways, etc. where even the TSA admits there is no specific threat. The TSA has also been showing up at sporting events: "We do this at thousands of events all over the country," said TSA spokeswoman Carrie Harmon. (http://www.dailycamera.com/news/ci_16410008)

Why is the TSA allocating resources for displays of theatre while ignoring the never-ending problems of theft at the airport? It seems going to football games is more fun than actually doing something about security at the airport. :(

Glad to hear that! :)^




According to the TSA's own spokespeople, employment numbers have gone from 50,000 to over 60,000 in the past year. For 2011 the DHS has requested an increase of funding to $8.2 billion (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/budget_bib_fy2011.pdf) for TSA alone.

$8.2,000,000,000 :eek:

The TSA has been doing "show of force" operations at train stations, bus terminals, Interstate highways, etc. where even the TSA admits there is no specific threat. The TSA has also been showing up at sporting events: "We do this at thousands of events all over the country," said TSA spokeswoman Carrie Harmon. (http://www.dailycamera.com/news/ci_16410008)

Why is the TSA allocating resources for displays of theatre while ignoring the never-ending problems of theft at the airport? It seems going to football games is more fun than actually doing something about security at the airport. :(

Thank you.

I saw the increase in funding request, and I am not savvy enough to be able to give you a break down of the actual costs and such, there is something I will defend, nd that is working to secure other methods of transportation.

Something the agency has endured criticism about is the lack of security in the various ethods of transport used throughout the nation (not nearly as much criticism as we get FOR securing the aviation sector, but that is a different discussion!). We are the TRANSPORTATION Security Administration, and we should be involved in helping the other transit sectors with security - the big discussion past that should be what kind of involvement we should have on the user end. Do we have full blown screening at mass transit areas? Do we consult with best practices and procedures for the existing infrastructure? Do we take over the entire security apparatus for those sectors? Do we simply assist in financial means for new equipment to the existing apparatus? Personally I feel that a collaborative effort would be the best approach - these folks have been doing this for a lot longer than TSA has been around, it would be a shame to waste all the experience and knowledge by just taking things over. I think that sharing threat-based intel to other sectors should be a given, raising awareness for the existing should be a given, and cooperating with the existing should be a given. Past that, I am uncertain as to what our role should be - I would have to study stats and trends and current threat trends to see what sort of interaction would be needed (remember I am actually a frontline guy, so mass transit planning is only a minor hobby at this point...:D).

I can tell you that every external operation I have been to, the security personnel at those locations have been thrilled to death to have us. I have worked at a bus station and a train station before, and the security group at that location asked us to come back as often as we could. They say these things (at least the ones I worked with) not because the presence cut down on some of their regular thugs, but because they learned some things and different ways of looking at situations. I learned some things working with those guys and it was nice to work with someone new and learn something new (as well as teach something evidently).

I believe at any large event, the agency sends folks to assist based on the request of another agency - such as when TSA assists at large political rallies at the request of the Secret Service, or at large sporting events that have recieved threats. I believe (please do not quote me on these, this is simply a belief - I am not nor have I been involved in a large sporting event) the agency participates for the good of the public in those events (at least based on the way I look at things), by helping to secure the venue better than it would have been without us there (and helping to keep 100k people safer is for the greater good in my book).

Thank you.

I saw the increase in funding request, and I am not savvy enough to be able to give you a break down of the actual costs and such, there is something I will defend, nd that is working to secure other methods of transportation.

Something the agency has endured criticism about is the lack of security in the various ethods of transport used throughout the nation (not nearly as much criticism as we get FOR securing the aviation sector, but that is a different discussion!). We are the TRANSPORTATION Security Administration, and we should be involved in helping the other transit sectors with security - the big discussion past that should be what kind of involvement we should have on the user end. Do we have full blown screening at mass transit areas? Do we consult with best practices and procedures for the existing infrastructure? Do we take over the entire security apparatus for those sectors? Do we simply assist in financial means for new equipment to the existing apparatus? Personally I feel that a collaborative effort would be the best approach - these folks have been doing this for a lot longer than TSA has been around, it would be a shame to waste all the experience and knowledge by just taking things over. I think that sharing threat-based intel to other sectors should be a given, raising awareness for the existing should be a given, and cooperating with the existing should be a given. Past that, I am uncertain as to what our role should be - I would have to study stats and trends and current threat trends to see what sort of interaction would be needed (remember I am actually a frontline guy, so mass transit planning is only a minor hobby at this point...:D).

I can tell you that every external operation I have been to, the security personnel at those locations have been thrilled to death to have us. I have worked at a bus station and a train station before, and the security group at that location asked us to come back as often as we could. They say these things (at least the ones I worked with) not because the presence cut down on some of their regular thugs, but because they learned some things and different ways of looking at situations. I learned some things working with those guys and it was nice to work with someone new and learn something new (as well as teach something evidently).

I believe at any large event, the agency sends folks to assist based on the request of another agency - such as when TSA assists at large political rallies at the request of the Secret Service, or at large sporting events that have recieved threats. I believe (please do not quote me on these, this is simply a belief - I am not nor have I been involved in a large sporting event) the agency participates for the good of the public in those events (at least based on the way I look at things), by helping to secure the venue better than it would have been without us there (and helping to keep 100k people safer is for the greater good in my book).

Why allocate public resources to private business be it transportation or a sporting event when no real threat is present?

Private sector businesses should protect their own interest not government.

That would include airlines, airports, trains, buses, sporting venues and anything else related.

Government has no responsibility in these areas and should get the heck out of the peoples way.

We are the TRANSPORTATION Security Administration, and we should be involved in helping the other transit sectors with security - the big discussion past that should be what kind of involvement we should have on the user end.

Who is asking for this “help” from the TSA, public transportation bureaucrats who see a way to save money and gain administrative convenience for using federal resources? I’m reminded of the time in the 1990s when I was taking a walk in a small town. A police cruiser pulled up, and I got to talking to the LEO about the new communication system he had that included a laptop with a radio data link to his dispatcher. I was impressed because that’s the way I’ve always felt internet connectivity should be, through the air, not through a pair of copper phone lines. So after all the gee-whiz stuff, I had to ask the LEO what his department, in a town of less than 5,000 people, really needed this for. “Nothin’, it was just a grant that was available” was his response with a big grin. Well, yeah, who wouldn’t turn down freebies from the Feds?

I hope the public transportation bureaucrats are ready for the public backlash when the public finds itself harassed beyond just “show of force” spectacles of security theatre, while at the same time people like Congressman Mica calls the TSA’s Red Team failure rates way off the charts (http://cbs4.com/iteam/TSA.failure.weapons.2.1964315.html). Why doesn’t the TSA address the serious issue of its failure rate at airports before even beginning to think about expanding elsewhere?

One area I can guarantee you did not ask for “help” from the TSA is General Aviation. With the ill-advised LASP proposal, the TSA got royally spanked by the GA community that pushed back hard (http://www.eaa.org/govt/tsa.asp). However, GA has had an advocacy bloc in place for decades against government intrusion. The rest of the public is just starting to wake up, though. ;)

Why allocate public resources to private business be it transportation or a sporting event when no real threat is present?

Private sector businesses should protect their own interest not government.

That would include airlines, airports, trains, buses, sporting venues and anything else related.

Government has no responsibility in these areas and should get the heck out of the peoples way.

I agree with you 100%

I think the reason they show up at sporting events and such is that the local LEO's understand that there are THOUSANDS STANDING AROUND :D at the airports doing nothing useful, and we could use a few extra warm bodies to save us some budget money!

What a freaking waste of our tax money!:mad:

Several are, but in this case I think it was CBP, not TSA that confiscaed the cash.


They were flying out of Newark to China. According to my collegue, they were in the security line at Newark. I have not flown international from Newark. Is the CBP even there for departures? In my experience, I usually turn in the Customs paperwork upon arrival, not departure. The exception I have experienced was in YYZ.

My collegue has been trying to reach his friend about this, but he is out of the country with limited access to internet. I will let you know what he says.

They were flying out of Newark to China. According to my collegue, they were in the security line at Newark. I have not flown international from Newark. Is the CBP even there for departures? In my experience, I usually turn in the Customs paperwork upon arrival, not departure. The exception I have experienced was in YYZ.

My collegue has been trying to reach his friend about this, but he is out of the country with limited access to internet. I will let you know what he says.

Sounds like the TSA called CBP over. If this were the 9th Circuit, the forfeiture could be contested on 4th Amendment grounds with a somewhat positive outlook.

Why did it have to be investigated for five weeks? Wouldn't the first theft caught on tape be enough for an arrest? How much more was stolen during that time with no hope of restitutiom? :mad:

Looks like one of them is pleading guilty. Awaiting sentencing on May 24th, hopefully it is hard time to discourage this behavior amongst other clerks. I wonder if he'll get an "enhanced patdown" if he is chosen for the big house? :D ^

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/14/us-airport-bribes-idUSTRE71D72V20110214

Looks like one of them is pleading guilty. Awaiting sentencing on May 24th, hopefully it is hard time to discourage this behavior amongst other clerks. I wonder if he'll get an "enhanced patdown" if he is chosen for the big house? :D ^

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/14/us-airport-bribes-idUSTRE71D72V20110214

He'll get a bit more than the pat-down ;) Hope he enjoys prison.. :eek:

Hope he enjoys prison.. :eek:+1
And for a long, long time.

He'll get a bit more than the pat-down ;) Hope he enjoys prison.. :eek:

Don't drop the soap...

Don't drop the soap...

:D^

Don't drop the soap...

Somewhat OT, but I am interested. Why do people think that prison rape is funny? In fact, why is it even possible for it to occur? If the U.S. Military was hiring Blackwater to gang rape accused terrorists, would that be humorous? Or even tolerated?

:D^

Would it be wrong of me to send everyone on his cell block a carton of coffin nails with a request to "take care of him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrLRe6bpMfU&feature=related)"?

Would it be wrong of me to send everyone on his cell block a carton of coffin nails with a request to "take care of him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrLRe6bpMfU&feature=related)"?

If he goes to a federal facility they have gone smoke free.

A pack of smokes is big bucks but introduction of contraband into a federal facility will surely get the contributor some serious legal bills and a stint in the pen.

Somewhat OT, but I am interested. Why do people think that prison rape is funny? In fact, why is it even possible for it to occur? If the U.S. Military was hiring Blackwater to gang rape accused terrorists, would that be humorous? Or even tolerated?

To put it simply Karma!

"TSA+isolated+incident" = 16,300+ google results, most of them about TSA misbehavior, where they issued that exact excuse. How "isolated" is the problem again?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/14/us-airport-bribes-idUSTRE71D72V20110214

Lot's of details here. I gotta say, Arato is a real turd:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/14/us-airport-bribes-idUSTRE71D72V20110214

Usually I feel a little sorry for thieves who get caught, but this guy is impossible to pity.

But I'm wondering if the "authorities" who prosecuted him are TSA?

But I'm wondering if the "authorities" who prosecuted him are TSA?

Can't say that I care.

It would take a lot to restore credibility to the TSA. It's doubtful they have the collective will or continuity to accomplish that, but they might take intermittent stabs at their "PR" problem.

It would be really nice if the local police had investigated. It would represent a huge paradigm shift from the mindless collusion we saw between the police and TSA initially.

That was an unwholesome relationship that threatened the credibility of peace officers everywhere.

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8830/4.5.0.138 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/105)

But I'm wondering if the "authorities" who prosecuted him are TSA?

No - Department of Justice.

This is all about power and intimidation - choosing vulnerable women from another country and culture.

Can't say that I care.

It would take a lot to restore credibility to the TSA. It's doubtful they have the collective will or continuity to accomplish that, but they might take intermittent stabs at their "PR" problem.

It is not possible to "restore" something that does not first exist.

It is not possible to "restore" something that does not first exist.

++ 100% ^

I came late to this thread, but let me get this straight:

There was one case of one guy attempting to light his shoe on fire once and everyone since then has to remove their shoes.

There was one case of one guy who had explosives in his underwear once and everyone get the new detailed scanners and enhanced/invasive patdowns.

(Both were unsuccessful ultimately and people other than TSA handled it, but I'm going to stop there with those examples.)

There are now several (if not more) instances of TSA employees abusing and stealing but we're suppose to roll over and take it because there's no better, cheaper system and the TSO cannot be hassled or bothered with security measure on them.

Huh.

I came late to this thread, but let me get this straight:

There was one case of one guy attempting to light his shoe on fire once and everyone since then has to remove their shoes.

There was one case of one guy who had explosives in his underwear once and everyone get the new detailed scanners and enhanced/invasive patdowns.

(Both were unsuccessful ultimately and people other than TSA handled it, but I'm going to stop there with those examples.)

There are now several (if not more) instances of TSA employees abusing and stealing but we're suppose to roll over and take it because there's no better, cheaper system and the TSO cannot be hassled or bothered with security measure on them.

Huh.

This whole event tells me just how easy it is to bribe a screening clerk. if bad guys decide to get explosives on planes, the easiest way to do it is to bribe the required number of clerks. No Cancer Machine on this planet will ever prevent this from happening.

I came late to this thread, but let me get this straight:
...
There are now several (if not more) instances of TSA employees abusing and stealing but we're suppose to roll over and take it because there's no better, cheaper system and the TSO cannot be hassled or bothered with security measure on them.

Huh.

Welcome to SECURITY THEATRE!!! Standing ovations are not allowed; everyone should remain seated and, above all, no heckling the actors!!! :rolleyes:

This whole event tells me just how easy it is to bribe a screening clerk.

That is, after all, how the Chechen ladies did it.

I came late to this thread, but let me get this straight:

There was one case of one guy attempting to light his shoe on fire once and everyone since then has to remove their shoes.

There was one case of one guy who had explosives in his underwear once and everyone get the new detailed scanners and enhanced/invasive patdowns.

(Both were unsuccessful ultimately and people other than TSA handled it, but I'm going to stop there with those examples.)

There are now several (if not more) instances of TSA employees abusing and stealing but we're suppose to roll over and take it because there's no better, cheaper system and the TSO cannot be hassled or bothered with security measure on them.

Huh.
Congratulations! You are officially over-qualified - by several orders of magnitude - to manage, oversee or by employed by the TSA in any capacity whatsoever. :)

Now see if you successfully get that point across to just one congress-critter. :(

Now see if you successfully get that point across to just one congress-critter. :(

+1

:td: :(

To put it simply Karma!

No, Karma would be for these former TSA employees to suffer "extraordinary rendition" to a Turkish prison for the full term of sentence. No good-behavior time, no parole.

TSA needs to be brought under control, before people decide to take matters into their own hands. As much as I despise TSA and most of the people who work for that agency, I really don't want to see the day where a picture of a gate-grope or yet another TSO-off-the-reservation news account is followed by the TSO hanging from a tree with certain body parts stuffed in his mouth.

I came late to this thread, but let me get this straight:

There was one case of one guy attempting to light his shoe on fire once and everyone since then has to remove their shoes.

There was one case of one guy who had explosives in his underwear once and everyone get the new detailed scanners and enhanced/invasive patdowns.

(Both were unsuccessful ultimately and people other than TSA handled it, but I'm going to stop there with those examples.)

There are now several (if not more) instances of TSA employees abusing and stealing but we're suppose to roll over and take it because there's no better, cheaper system and the TSO cannot be hassled or bothered with security measure on them.

Huh.

+1 to this!

I normally just read in this subforum and shake my head with amazement, but this comment made my head explode. (Fortunately, I am nowhere near an airport today.) :D

The idea to search everyone might work well when you have a limited amount of people, but with hundreds and even thousands of people coming and going every few hours, it just won't work. Oh, you may want it to work, but we all know it will not, even if you don't admit it.

Ummm... seriously?

Y'all screen "hundreds and even thousands" of passengers in relatively short amounts of time. Every day. It's your JOB.

And now it "just won't work" because the proposed target population of the screening, and proposed specific items to be screened, are shifted?

That makes no sense.

Y'all are professional screeners... if TSA can't (won't) figure this out, it completely destroys whatever illusion of security was being provided by the "security theater".

And while airports security checkpoints are being reconstructed all over the country to have nude-o-scopes installed (sorry, the specific proper acronyms escape me at the moment)... the argument that there is no room for lockers for TSA-folk is equally absurd.

(Returns to lurking.)

I normally just read in this subforum and shake my head with amazement, but this comment made my head explode. (Fortunately, I am nowhere near an airport today.) :D



Ummm... seriously?

Y'all screen "hundreds and even thousands" of passengers in relatively short amounts of time. Every day. It's your JOB.

And now it "just won't work" because the proposed target population of the screening, and proposed specific items to be screened, are shifted?

That makes no sense.

Y'all are professional screeners... if TSA can't (won't) figure this out, it completely destroys whatever illusion of security was being provided by the "security theater".

And while airports security checkpoints are being reconstructed all over the country to have nude-o-scopes installed (sorry, the specific proper acronyms escape me at the moment)... the argument that there is no room for lockers for TSA-folk is equally absurd.

(Returns to lurking.)

^^^^^

And if TSA is supposedly the frontline, in-the-trenches of national security, last line of defense, etc. Then ANYTHING for security, right?

Or are we not doing that any more?

That makes no sense.

I keep imagining Lily Tomlin's "Ernestine" snorking and saying, "We don't have to make sense, we're the TSA."