Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) - Lufthansa Name the A380 Competition: Total Scam [merged 'Lady Bee']

Just wanted to let you know that the competition was a total scam, but what was more infuriating is that Lufthansa treated a frequent flyer member like crap - mocked me via email answers, never confirmed or answered my faxes, and almost ignored me on the phone. All I wanted was them to fix the link to my nomination.. or at least listen to me.

Besides the whole competition fraud, I really believe that their mileage program is the weakest of all the ones I have (Airfrance, El Al, etc) and I get poor treatment when I try to order tickets on the phone, unlike Airfrance/KLM that talk to me like I'm some prince.

What are you rambling on about ?

BTW: I didn't know that AF treated anyone like princes ? I thought the French got rid of their royalty centuries ago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine) ?

Just wanted to let you know that the competition was a total scam, but what was more infuriating is that Lufthansa treated a frequent flyer member like crap - mocked me via email answers, never confirmed or answered my faxes, and almost ignored me on the phone. All I wanted was them to fix the link to my nomination.. or at least listen to me.

Besides the whole competition fraud, I really believe that their mileage program is the weakest of all the ones I have (Airfrance, El Al, etc) and I get poor treatment when I try to order tickets on the phone, unlike Airfrance/KLM that talk to me like I'm some prince.


First of all: Welcome to FT!

Glad to hear AF/KLM treat you like a prince! Maybe you could explain your problem with the competition in more detail, so we all can better understand the problems you had with it?

If you want to get into a discussion whether M&M is the worst/best FFP around, there is a ton of threads on that topic, just use the search function.

And please let the folks in the AF/KLM forum know, that you are being treated as a prince, because I'm sure they would like to hear how you made that happened.

What are you rambling on about ?

BTW: I didn't know that AF treated anyone like princes ? I thought the French got rid of their royalty centuries ago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine) ?

Maybe that's the way AF/KLM treats princes today??? :D

Yo, have you looked at the redemption chart for KLM/AF? 250K for an F TATL award.

You better be getting the royal treatment, cause you are sure as heck paying for it!:)

And welcome to FT, we love people who join only to post a single rant.

Well, to defend the OP a little bit, the 'name the 380' really seems to be a scam. They have already been named, so how can anyone win competition to name them? To make it even worse, every single name I tried to propose was refused, saying 'this name was already submitted by someone else' (I do not recall exact wording), so I could not even enter that competition. So, again, yes the competition was scam. As for the rest of the OP, I second all the other respondents...

Well, just two are naimed.

D-AIMA = Frankfurt am Main
D-AIMB = München
D-AIMC = YOU NAME IT :o

I also believe it is a scam. Picking one name out of the TOP 50 is just "slightly" a competition of the most popular name. Basically, LH will have to find the one name out of 50 that is not making fun of the bird being late, not offending the Wolf and being understand in the parts of the world where LH flies to.

And who knows whether they really award somebody 1,000,000 miles. Unless I see it, I doubt it, like everything that LH does. Really sad it is that far.

Other than that, I'd wish the OP would have taken a different approach to enter FT.

Anyway, still welcome and reconsider ;)

No you guys missed the point they are looking for a generic name like the 747 got called the Jumbo back then and the name stuck. Even today if someone says to you "I flew in a Jumbo...." then most people will know it is the plane with the "hump" on top and for those in the know it is a 747. It is that kind of "name" they are looking for - not ones for the indiviual planes those are traditionally named after german cities by Lufthansa.

It's a competition, not a scam. Just a bit of fun, not as if they asked for your bank details (e.g. because they needed to transfer €3 million from Nigerian grandma and can you help!!!).

If your emails to Lufthansa were like your post below, then I am sure they mocked you back!

Maybe that's the way AF/KLM treats princes today??? :D

Maybe he meant how the princes were treated in France in 1793? :D

No you guys missed the point they are looking for a generic name like the 747 got called the Jumbo back then and the name stuck. Even today if someone says to you "I flew in a Jumbo...." then most people will know it is the plane with the "hump" on top and for those in the know it is a 747. It is that kind of "name" they are looking for - not ones for the indiviual planes those are traditionally named after german cities by Lufthansa.

It still does not explain the fact, that I tried to suggest several names and all of them were refused, because apparently someone else already submitted it. The possible name pool is of course limited and basically only the lucky few first could submit and the rest cannots. SO IT IS A SCAM!!!

I had no problem submitting a name. Just for the heck of it.
All the "good" and logical names are already submitted, so think of something that is not good or logical :)

"hey, 'ma, I flew in the that new fffffffdddgt jet"

I don't understand how only accepting a certain name from the FIRST person to propose it is any kind of "scam"..

The competition has been advertised as having ONE prize... so if LH accepts multiple repeats of the same suggestion from numerous people, they will STILL have to decide which of the proposers wins... and - logically - would go for the "date/time" submitted IMO... which has exactly the same effect as only allowing each name to be submitted once... AND avoids all the "I suggested THAT" screaming from numbers 2-whatever.....

Well, to defend the OP a little bit, the 'name the 380' really seems to be a scam. They have already been named, so how can anyone win competition to name them? To make it even worse, every single name I tried to propose was refused, saying 'this name was already submitted by someone else' (I do not recall exact wording), so I could not even enter that competition. So, again, yes the competition was scam. As for the rest of the OP, I second all the other respondents...

....the competition was not about naming idividual planes. They will be named by german cities and states. It was more about giving nickname to the plane, like Jumbo jet for 747 or Bobby for 737, also jumbolino for Avro jet.

I don't understand how only accepting a certain name from the FIRST person to propose it is any kind of "scam"..

The competition has been advertised as having ONE prize... so if LH accepts multiple repeats of the same suggestion from numerous people, they will STILL have to decide which of the proposers wins... and - logically - would go for the "date/time" submitted IMO... which has exactly the same effect as only allowing each name to be submitted once... AND avoids all the "I suggested THAT" screaming from numbers 2-whatever.....

Absolutely agree!.There is a fantastic level of braindeadness about most peoples understanding of this competition-----see my comments on the'Free competitions' thread.

No you guys missed the point they are looking for a generic name like the 747 got called the Jumbo back then and the name stuck. Even today if someone says to you "I flew in a Jumbo...." then most people will know it is the plane with the "hump" on top and for those in the know it is a 747. It is that kind of "name" they are looking for - not ones for the indiviual planes those are traditionally named after german cities by Lufthansa.
How do you come to this conclusion? I have to admit that your explanation doesn't convince me at all. Why would LH "invent" a general name for the A380? Let's assume they pic "Atlantis Luft" :rolleyes: and this very odd name shall be used as a general term for the A380 how would a regular SQ or EK fly know what I am talking about when I mention that I have flown on the "Atlantis Luft"? :confused: This doesn't sound plausible to me and btw totally neglects the general linguistic development of nickname, though I have to admit that I am not an expert in linguistics. Anyway this approach would be even more strange than the general LH A380 hype apart from the introduction of new F.

So please go and vote for my entry Niebelungen, and when I win the 1,000,000 miles, we will know it wasn't a scam!

How do you come to this conclusion? I have to admit that your explanation doesn't convince me at all. .

It does not have to convince you, it's what LH stated. They clearly stated at the beginning of the competition that they were looking for an overall name like Jumbo for the 747. Not individual names for new planes.
Every free competition is a scam for the sole purpose of collecting valid emails and other information. So what's the fuss about here?
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It does not have to convince you, it's what LH stated. They clearly stated at the beginning of the competition that they were looking for an overall name like Jumbo for the 747. Not individual names for new planes.

Thanks for the information. So this is one of the most strange ideas LH ever had :rolleyes:

We need some cunning linguists here ! ;)

Hey, the competition is supposed to be a clean innocent fun! ;)

What are you rambling on about ?

BTW: I didn't know that AF treated anyone like princes ? I thought the French got rid of their royalty centuries ago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine) ?
My very limited AF exposure does indeed suggest that a Marie Anotoinette treatment isn't all that far fetched when it comes to AF CS.
..To make it even worse, every single name I tried to propose was refused, saying 'this name was already submitted by someone else' (I do not recall exact wording), so I could not even enter that competition..
I submitted three carefully designed swearwords for the LH's 380 and the system accepted them with grace. I made one honest attempt though and that one was turned down.....

But all that aside, how unimaginative are "Frankfurt" and "Munchen"? I mean, yawn...

Let me guess, Berlin and Koln yet to come?

But all that aside, how unimaginative are "Frankfurt" and "Munchen"? I mean, yawn...

Let me guess, Berlin and Koln yet to come?
I still think that there should be one Wolfsburg ... at least.

Just wanted to let you know that the competition was a total scam, but what was more infuriating is that Lufthansa treated a frequent flyer member like crap - mocked me via email answers, never confirmed or answered my faxes, and almost ignored me on the phone. All I wanted was them to fix the link to my nomination.. or at least listen to me.

Besides the whole competition fraud, I really believe that their mileage program is the weakest of all the ones I have (Airfrance, El Al, etc) and I get poor treatment when I try to order tickets on the phone, unlike Airfrance/KLM that talk to me like I'm some prince.

Hmmh, would be interesting to know what you were contacting LH about ("fix the link about my nomination")!?

Strange assessment of LH's vs. AF's mileage program, clearly beyond the obvious ... ;-)

But all that aside, how unimaginative are "Frankfurt" and "Munchen"? I mean, yawn...

Let me guess, Berlin and Koln yet to come?

And exactly what is unimaginative to continue a tradition that at least has been in place for the last 20 - 30 years - naming LH planes after the federal states and the cities of Germany.

As FRA and MUC are the main hubs of LH and the places where their A 380 are going to be based - I think it fits quite well - but then again I am oldfashioned and boring.

Cheers

Thomas

And exactly what is unimaginative to continue a tradition that at least has been in place for the last 20 - 30 years - naming LH planes after the federal states and the cities of Germany.

As FRA and MUC are the main hubs of LH and the places where their A 380 are going to be based - I think it fits quite well - but then again I am oldfashioned and boring.

Cheers

Thomas

Totally agree[again!]----I'm old fashioned and boring too.:)

And exactly what is unimaginative to continue a tradition that at least has been in place for the last 20 - 30 years - naming LH planes after the federal states and the cities of Germany.

As FRA and MUC are the main hubs of LH and the places where their A 380 are going to be based - I think it fits quite well - but then again I am oldfashioned and boring.

Cheers

Thomas

Well, the nice little airline that called their planes eg "Schneeflocke" got absorbed by AirBerlin. And the same AirBerlin named 20 of their planes after cities in the Ruhr area now. We Germans must generally be sooo boring. However, still better than naming your planed after WWII and other heroes.

How do you come to this conclusion? I have to admit that your explanation doesn't convince me at all. Why would LH "invent" a general name for the A380? Let's assume they pic "Atlantis Luft" :rolleyes: and this very odd name shall be used as a general term for the A380 how would a regular SQ or EK fly know what I am talking about when I mention that I have flown on the "Atlantis Luft"? :confused:

Singapore Airlines named their 747 fleet the "Megatop" and each of their planes have that on the side. So this isn't without precedence...

Well, the nice little airline that called their planes eg "Schneeflocke" got absorbed by AirBerlin. And the same AirBerlin named 20 of their planes after cities in the Ruhr area now. We Germans must generally be sooo boring. However, still better than naming your planed after WWII and other heroes.

There is a general tendency to go the boring route nowadays. Back in the day BA planes had various, unique designs on their tail that looked great IMO. Today though the logo and the planes look bland in general.

Same with the currency, I have never encountered uglier-looking money than the Euro, even though I consider it to be the world's #1 currency (yeah, I know, the Greeks are sabotaging the credibility of the Euro from the inside so it's been taking a major pounding recently). The banknotes are just terrible...

Then look at the reverse of the coins, how many countries have put their famous people on some of the coins and how many have gone the boring route? I mean come on, pick and choose, get Einstein, Newton (well, this one will have to wait a bit), Mozart or Copernicus on there (this one will have to wait a while too).

So why should we be surprised when an airline names its planes after it's... cities (yaaawn.. boring, I know)? The only thing that is surprising is that they announce a competition like they're about to pick something new, unique, unexpected... only for most people to to still expect the most expected of choices.

..However, still better than naming your planed after WWII...
You sat in a plane named "World War II" :eek: ? That rocks.

If you pick the right cities, you could merge both paradigms: "Port Moresby", "Hiroshima", "Kursk", "Stalingrad", "Dresden" .... but ever so many people would not enjoy the history lesson.
Singapore Airlines named their 747 fleet the "Megatop" and each of their planes have that on the side...
That is because Singaporeans - immersed into the innocence of Singlish - never get any porn jokes.
..Same with the currency, I have never encountered uglier-looking money than the Euro, even though I consider it to be the world's #1 currency...
There's a system to this . "They" want you to give it away as quickly as possible.

SQ had Megatop (747), Celestar (A340) and Jubilee (777).
I don't think the A380 has a name though ?

I still think that there should be one Wolfsburg ... at least.

I still love Wolfratshausen for one of the 380s. :)
Cheers to whoever came up with that name!

I still love Wolfratshausen for one of the 380s. :)
Cheers to whoever came up with that name!
That's because Wolfschanze is not a proper German place :o .

SQ had Megatop (747), Celestar (A340) and Jubilee (777).
I don't think the A380 has a name though ?

Don´t people refer to it as the "whale"?

Dear LH Facebook Fans,

we have received more than 150,000 suggested names for the Lufthansa A380 a truly overwhelming result. From the 50 most popular names, our jury has now chosen one:
Welcome Lady Bee!

Thank you to everyone who took part in our competition.

Your LH Facebook Team

That's what we needed :D

This whole competition and its outcome is so embarassing that I'd rather not fly LH ever again.

Welcome Lady Bee!


:eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

Dear LH Facebook Fans,

we have received more than 150,000 suggested names for the Lufthansa A380 a truly overwhelming result. From the 50 most popular names, our jury has now chosen one:
Welcome Lady Bee!

Thank you to everyone who took part in our competition.

Your LH Facebook Team

That's what we needed :D

Holy Sh!t, I thought you were joking, until I actually checked the LH FB-site!

This whole competition and its outcome is so embarassing that I'd rather not fly LH ever again.

+1

Holy Sh!t, I thought you were joking, until I actually checked the LH FB-site!

Now they have to figure out if they either get Guido Westerwelle or Klaus Wowereit to become the godfather :D

Lady Bee? :confused:

What a joke! :D

Have they really named their A380 Lady Bee?
This must be a joke!

What a silly name for an aircraft especially the A380!
I would understand it for the A340-600 but for the A380 it is truly ridiculous.

I bet they are having a laugh at the Airbus A380 test flight HQ in Toulouse... the same with Singapore Airlines, Qantas, Emirates and all the ones that have ordered the Mega-Jumbo.

She should have been named the Big Flying Machine or Big Bus or anything else Big but not Lady Bee!!! :td:

This is embarrassing... really!

I am sorry Lufthansa... I will not step foot on your Lady Bees.

Singapore Girl You Are a Great Way to Fly! :)

Oh this is wonderful! Clearly someone has named it this for a bet.

Anyone know what Lady Bee means? I don't get it. Even a bad joke would need a punch line.

Anyone know what Lady Bee means? I don't get it. Even a bad joke would need a punch line.

UK / NL vocalist / DJ/ MC "Lady Bee"

See:
http://www.ladybee.nl

Surely they were thinking beyond this...??? :confused::confused::confused:

I love the comments "I'm outraged and never going to fly lufthansa again because of this..."


but after about 0.0003 seconds I'm over it now... only a competition. the final name is bizarre - does the person that decided have a strange sense of humour or just crazy? Or maybe he/she was 8 years old!

the final name is bizarre - does the person that decided have a strange sense of humour or just crazy? Or maybe he/she was 8 years old!

I think all those who were in the name choosing panel probably had too many drinks. :D

I can imagine Lufthansa CEO Wolfgang Mayrhuber's speech on delivery day.

""Ladies and Gentlemen, may I proudly introduce you to Lady Bee, the Lufthansa A380, the newest, best and most beautifufl aircraft in our fleet. All of us at Lufthansa are really proud of you, Lady Bee!

Now comes the time to unveil the aircraft (big round of applause from the guests)...""

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a285/madameconcorde/divers/starr-bumble-beeLH380.jpg

lady bee??? o well... i can´t imagine that this will become the "public name" for the a380.


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a285/madameconcorde/divers/starr-bumble-beeLH380.jpg

at least this would be the appropriate paint scheme for the plane ^

lady bee??? o well... i can´t imagine that this will become the "public name" for the a380.



at least this would be the appropriate paint scheme for the plane ^

and LH colours too.

at least this would be the appropriate paint scheme for the plane ^

Maybe one of you can do a photoshop of the paint scheme with the bee on a A380?

:D

Maybe one of you can do a photoshop of the paint scheme with the bee on a A380?

:D

+1
^

too bad i´m not talented regarding those things. but i would love to see it :D

Maybe that's the way AF/KLM treats princes today??? :D

I am shocked that since January -- award flights on KLM and AF as well as DL are 5x more than last year.

Unless you book 11 months in advance -- you will pay way too many miles.

Dear LH Facebook Fans,

we have received more than 150,000 suggested names for the Lufthansa A380 a truly overwhelming result. From the 50 most popular names, our jury has now chosen one:
Welcome Lady Bee!



I think LH jury, who chosen that name, are consisting of couple of clowns headed by the wolf and his E.VP Mr. Antinori

Apparently, this is the winning name for the LH A380.... Anyone else who thinks this is an extremely poor name?? :td:


link to website

http://a380.lufthansa.com/TAKEPART/#/DE/DE/NAMING

Agree.

Let me guess: the name was probably proposed by some F&F? :p

Couldn't agree more. :td:

But I guess it's not only up to LH to find a name for the A380, but rather (frequent)flyers will determine what name will survive in the long run.

Puhlease.
The Lady part could be construed as indicating gracefulness but why Bee?!?

Agree.

Let me guess: the name was probably proposed by some F&F? :p

Probably the little daughter of a LH board member :D

Lufthansa's new motto "Fly Lufthansa and you will get stung."

Lufthansa's new motto "Fly Lufthansa and you will get stung."

Lufthansa's new motto "Fly Lufthansa and you will get stung."

Poor name, I agree - but still one of the better ones out of the top 50 finishers.

At 25000+ votes support for this entry seems manipulated as well.

Poor name, I agree - but still one of the better ones out of the top 50 finishers.

At 25000+ votes support for this entry seems manipulated as well.

Nooooo. Why would you say something like that? ;).

Bumble Bee would actually be better for the A380.

Nooooo. Why would you say something like that? ;).

Bumble Bee would actually be better for the A380.

I can see the boarding music to be "Flight of the BumbleBee"

Lufthansa's new motto "Fly Lufthansa and you will get stung."

Triple Posting is frowned upon on FT...

I can see the boarding music to be "Flight of the BumbleBee"

Oh yeah. followed by Tina Turner's "Simply the Best"

Bumble Bee would actually be better for the A380.

+1

Dear LH Facebook Fans,

we have received more than 150,000 suggested names for the Lufthansa A380 a truly overwhelming result. From the 50 most popular names, our jury has now chosen one:
Welcome Lady Bee!

Thank you to everyone who took part in our competition.

Your LH Facebook Team

That's what we needed :D

this is so sad :(

way to go LH

Does anybody recall if this name has actually been in the Top 50? Did that many people vote for that name in the first place? :confused:

Bumble Bee would actually be better for the A380.

+2

Those were exactly my first thoughts. :)

Does anybody recall if this name has actually been in the Top 50? Did that many people vote for that name in the first place? :confused:
"By popular demand" ... this is how fairly tales start these days. And a lady-bee & unicorn fit well into the sca... I mean scheme.

But I agree with the general sentiment "Lady Bee" is even worse than SQ's pornographic "Megatop".

The quality of the name actually goes quite well with the one of the website itself:



http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8748/lufthansawebsitecut.jpg

A very poor name. Hope they won't use it.

What a joke.

Well, thanks for posting the winning entry here. Despite receiving emails in both English and German to peruse the winner and the Top 50 lists, their website would not load.

What an embarrassing name!

May I suggest that we all write a biblical wave of protests to the Compliments and complaints department against this inane name? I have done so already. Otherwise, I am willing to bet a few pennies that Bumblebee indeed will be the name that sticks on this ungainly vehicle. And indeed, just like its namesake, it is a miracle it flies. Surely computer generated voting must be the cause of such a very unlikely winner? What possible good could such a name generate for LH, other than associations to hives (both for the creatures and reactions to their sting), hornets and...Ladybugs? or Lady BA?:confused:
Not that I suggested it, but a nice decent name with biblical connections should suit the creature of biblical proportions admirably- Leviathan. No more, no less.

The website doesn't work due to traffic caused by popular demand of the traveling public to be part in this fantastic naming effort.

:rolleyes:

probably the voting was heavily supported by flybe ?

Well of course it doesnt ultimately matter, but this name 'ladybee'actually makes me flinch.How ON EARTH could it have been officially approved?.Is there an LH 'lurker 'on this site who could explain this mad descision to us?.

The quality of the name actually goes quite well with the one of the website itself:



http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8748/lufthansawebsitecut.jpg

i´d say THIS is the best name for it :D

So the winner is Denisa Tudorica.

"Her suggestion impressed our jury and was chosen as the best of over 152,010 uploaded suggestions." :eek:

So the winner is Denisa Tudorica.

"Her suggestion impressed our jury and was chosen as the best of over 152,010 uploaded suggestions." :eek:

TRULY astonishing!!!!!:eek:

Or merely a phantom invented by an LH marketing guy?

Or merely a phantom invented by an LH marketing guy?

Azul, the Brazilian start-up carrier launched by JetBlue founder Dave Neeleman, sortof did that with their contest for naming their airline. They picked a winner from the submissions and gave them the free flights for life pass but didn't use the name they submitted.

HAHAHA!!!!!! And I thought the Germans are smart and sophisticated!

I would have preferred HONey Bee

This thread reminds of a KLM-contest a few years ago (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/klm-flying-dutchman/359438-win-world.html). The task was to write a slogan with 15 words or less. The winning slogan had a whopping 65 words :D

lufthansa.com's front page has a picture of the nose of an A380 inviting us to:

Fly with me!
Experience greatness and fly
on the LH A380 to Tokyo,
Beijing or Johannesburg.
Be part of it!

I wonder why it doesn't say "Fly with Lady Bee!" :confused::p

I wonder why it doesn't say "Fly with Lady Bee!" :confused::p

LH has formed a working group with an IT consulting company and once the project plan has been approved by the budget committee of the supervisory board work on this change can start. Just give it another 6 months and EUR 6MM to complete this complex project.

LH has formed a working group with an IT consulting company and once the project plan has been approved by the budget committee of the supervisory board work on this change can start. Just give it another 6 months and EUR 6MM to complete this complex project.

I would rather have salt and pepper .

I would rather have salt and pepper .

:D ^

Lady Pee? superb marketing - all options/scenarios considered. lol.

So the winner is Denisa Tudorica.

"Her suggestion impressed our jury...
I strongly wonder what she suggested besides the actual juvenile naming effort? Her personal acquired skills and a jury consisting of old bored males ... I guess this is one more of this "chosen by objective criteria and hard facts" fairytale which doesn't belong on FT :rolleyes: ...

I strongly wonder what she suggested besides the actual juvenile naming effort? Her personal acquired skills ...
Is she a personal acquaintance of yours?

My friend gave that name to his microlight. Sounds like a mosquito that I would like to swat out of the air or spray with insect repellant.

Is she a personal acquaintance of yours?
Not yet.

If I was a member of the jury, I could soon brag that 'yes' :o ...

I thought their mascot was a crane named "Lu".
So what's the idea of naming it after a BEE?
Sounds idiotic.

OK.. so it's a crap name...

But it IS their aircraft after all.. I don't understand the level of angst displayed here....

Want to give one a better name? Buy your own.. Jeez......:D